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| 2023-03-30 06:39:13 +0000 | mncheck | (~mncheck@193.224.205.254) |
| 2023-03-30 08:22:55 +0000 | [Leary] | (~Leary]@user/Leary/x-0910699) |
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| 2023-03-30 08:29:08 +0000 | ft | (~ft@p4fc2a88b.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Quit: leaving) |
| 2023-03-30 08:54:25 +0000 | mncheck | (~mncheck@193.224.205.254) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2023-03-30 09:24:19 +0000 | tridactyl | (~tridactyl@user/tridactyl) |
| 2023-03-30 09:25:25 +0000 | <tridactyl> | hello, is there a developer online? i was wondering why xmonad uses xlib instead of xcb |
| 2023-03-30 09:25:39 +0000 | liskin[m] | (~liskinmat@2001:470:69fc:105::768) |
| 2023-03-30 09:26:08 +0000 | <tridactyl> | was it easier to use xlib for the creation of xmonad or some other reason? |
| 2023-03-30 09:29:01 +0000 | <liskin> | tridactyl: I guess there may not have been Haskell xcb bindings back in 2007, but X11 bindings were shipped with compiler |
| 2023-03-30 09:29:48 +0000 | <liskin> | X11 haskell lib was split into a separate project at some point, that may have actually happened before 2007, but there probably still was an "official" vibe to it :-) |
| 2023-03-30 09:31:32 +0000 | <liskin> | oh, git history looks like the split happened because xmonad devs needed to make a lot of changes to it |
| 2023-03-30 09:38:03 +0000 | <tridactyl> | really, I hadn't thought of that |
| 2023-03-30 09:39:20 +0000 | <tridactyl> | but can you tell me if the developers have done any kind of comparative test? i see in many places on the internet that xcb is faster than Xlib |
| 2023-03-30 09:45:44 +0000 | <liskin> | I wouldn't know :-( |
| 2023-03-30 09:45:49 +0000 | <liskin> | geekosaur is the historian here :-) |
| 2023-03-30 09:46:02 +0000 | <Solid> | I doubt that this really matters; your window manager is not doing any kind of computationally intensive task |
| 2023-03-30 09:48:23 +0000 | <tridactyl> | liskin no problem, thanks for answering |
| 2023-03-30 09:52:11 +0000 | chomwitt | (~chomwitt@2a02:587:7a0f:e00:1ac0:4dff:fedb:a3f1) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2023-03-30 09:52:14 +0000 | <tridactyl> | Solid I'm not complaining, I just really wanted to know if there was a bigger reason or just historical reasons |
| 2023-03-30 09:53:03 +0000 | <Solid> | historical artifacts, in that case :) and XMonad's wrapper around Xlib is way too thin for us to switch to xcb, really |
| 2023-03-30 09:55:02 +0000 | <tridactyl> | that's right |
| 2023-03-30 09:55:27 +0000 | <tridactyl> | thanks for explaining |
| 2023-03-30 09:56:34 +0000 | <tridactyl> | well, I'm still learning how to use IRC |
| 2023-03-30 09:56:43 +0000 | <tridactyl> | I don't know if I managed to mention you in my message, but I think it was worth a try |
| 2023-03-30 09:58:25 +0000 | <tridactyl> | in addition, I am trying to converse more in English |
| 2023-03-30 09:58:33 +0000 | <tridactyl> | so I'm sorry if there was some mistake in my messages, I'm trying to be less dependent on translation services |
| 2023-03-30 09:59:12 +0000 | <tridactyl> | :-) |
| 2023-03-30 10:12:33 +0000 | derpyxdhs | (~derpyxdhs@user/derpyxdhs) |
| 2023-03-30 10:22:46 +0000 | tridactyl | (~tridactyl@user/tridactyl) (Quit: Konversation terminated!) |
| 2023-03-30 10:51:53 +0000 | chomwitt | (~chomwitt@ppp-94-69-24-223.home.otenet.gr) |
| 2023-03-30 10:57:43 +0000 | derpyxdhs | (~derpyxdhs@user/derpyxdhs) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2023-03-30 11:23:56 +0000 | <geekosaur> | I see they left, but the best answer you'll get is that sjanssen chose X11 probably because dwm was using it at the time |
| 2023-03-30 11:24:39 +0000 | <geekosaur> | there was an early ticket about considering a move to xcb but even by that point it would have broken pretty much everything so it was dropped |
| 2023-03-30 11:29:13 +0000 | <geekosaur> | as to performance, by the time you'd notice the difference you'll have long since been bitten by the linked lists in the StackSet |
| 2023-03-30 13:22:03 +0000 | mncheck | (~mncheck@193.224.205.254) |
| 2023-03-30 14:18:02 +0000 | todi | (~snuckls@p5dca57c0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 2023-03-30 14:29:00 +0000 | <todi> | schreibt hir keiner |
| 2023-03-30 14:29:43 +0000 | <todi> | schreibt ihr deutsch oder englisch |
| 2023-03-30 14:30:20 +0000 | <vrs> | english mostly |
| 2023-03-30 14:33:40 +0000 | <todi> | ok |
| 2023-03-30 14:33:58 +0000 | <todi> | i can not so good english |
| 2023-03-30 14:34:18 +0000 | <todi> | a little byt |
| 2023-03-30 14:36:10 +0000 | <geekosaur> | I think I can understand broken English better than I can German, sorry |
| 2023-03-30 14:37:25 +0000 | <todi> | chandel ??? |
| 2023-03-30 14:38:23 +0000 | <todi> | and server |
| 2023-03-30 14:38:35 +0000 | <todi> | to talk german |
| 2023-03-30 14:39:51 +0000 | <geekosaur> | hm, I was hoping there was a #haskell-de to go with the other l10n channels but it appears not 😞 |
| 2023-03-30 14:40:39 +0000 | <geekosaur> | (actually that surprises me) |
| 2023-03-30 14:47:11 +0000 | <geekosaur> | mm, looks like matrix has #haskell.de:matrix.org, use https://element.io/download since they insist on being a web app instead of simple web page |
| 2023-03-30 14:48:51 +0000 | <geekosaur> | (or install Nheko via flatpak, but you probably don't want that for some quick questions) |
| 2023-03-30 15:23:52 +0000 | werneta | (~werneta@70-142-214-115.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) |
| 2023-03-30 16:00:04 +0000 | sparksdrinker[m] | (~sparksdri@2001:470:69fc:105::3:1939) (Quit: You have been kicked for being idle) |
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| 2023-03-30 16:26:26 +0000 | malook | (~Thunderbi@2a02:9b0:4029:41a8:bc64:f7ba:a6ea:a186) |
| 2023-03-30 16:33:23 +0000 | Zetaeta | (~Zetaeta@80.111.213.250) |
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| 2023-03-30 16:38:50 +0000 | malook | (~Thunderbi@2a02:9b0:4029:41a8:bc64:f7ba:a6ea:a186) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) |
| 2023-03-30 17:22:55 +0000 | L29Ah | (~L29Ah@wikipedia/L29Ah) () |
| 2023-03-30 17:26:58 +0000 | <Zetaeta> | Hi, I'm having trouble making a window sticky (want it to float, appear regardless of workspace and be movable with the appropriate commands). XMonad.Actions.CopyWindow.copyToAll isn't working properly on my multi-monitor setup, it always moves the window to the non-active screen. |
| 2023-03-30 17:27:21 +0000 | <Zetaeta> | I've tried some other approaches to get some version of a sticky window posted here https://www.reddit.com/r/xmonad/comments/125qrv9/can_i_make_a_command_to_ignore_a_window/ |
| 2023-03-30 17:27:37 +0000 | <Zetaeta> | But nothing worked fully |
| 2023-03-30 17:28:39 +0000 | <Zetaeta> | If anyone has any insight or alternative suggestions I'd be grateful |
| 2023-03-30 17:34:48 +0000 | <geekosaur> | yeh, copyToAll can't (not just doesn't, sadly) work right with multiple monitors. I don't think we can really handle this right, the closest you can get is doIgnore but that means you can't interact with or operate on it |
| 2023-03-30 17:42:18 +0000 | <[Leary]> | Shouldn't it work at least to the extent of keeping the window on the current screen? Why's it on the non-active screen? Weird. |
| 2023-03-30 17:42:44 +0000 | <Zetaeta> | Is it possible to doIgnore in a command instead of a manageHook? I tried to copy its logic with ignore w = reveal w >> windows (W.delete w) >> reveal w >> withDisplay (\dpy -> io (raiseWindow dpy w)), and it works initially but degrades over time and gets messed up by fullscreen apps. |
| 2023-03-30 17:44:52 +0000 | <geekosaur> | it's not enough to do that; most windows you `doIgnore` are self-managing and in particular keep themselves on top |
| 2023-03-30 17:47:12 +0000 | <geekosaur> | [Leary], because the active screen is refreshed first, and both workspaces attempt to place the window but the last one wins |
| 2023-03-30 17:50:18 +0000 | <[Leary]> | Hah! `windows` uses `summed_visible` to exclude already-rendered windows from the tiles, but not from the floats. |
| 2023-03-30 17:50:36 +0000 | <[Leary]> | Looks pretty fixable. |
| 2023-03-30 17:58:35 +0000 | <Zetaeta> | I see, thanks. I've had the most luck with XMonad.Layout.Monitor from xmonad-contrib, but the functionality to specify a rectangle for the window doesn't seem to work and the window stops rendering changes after a while (though its subwindows work fine) |
| 2023-03-30 17:59:33 +0000 | <geekosaur> | hm. report that please https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/issues/new |
| 2023-03-30 18:04:02 +0000 | <Zetaeta> | Sure, I'll try get a minimal reproduction of it now |
| 2023-03-30 18:04:56 +0000 | <geekosaur> | the downside of a big contrib library is it contains a lot of stuff that may never have been actually used since it was submitted, so we collect bitrot 😞 |
| 2023-03-30 18:24:27 +0000 | Zetaeta | (~Zetaeta@80.111.213.250) (Quit: Client closed) |
| 2023-03-30 19:15:41 +0000 | malook | (~Thunderbi@46.52.72.170) |
| 2023-03-30 19:21:30 +0000 | stackdroid18 | (14094@de1.hashbang.sh) |
| 2023-03-30 19:25:29 +0000 | ft | (~ft@p4fc2a88b.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 2023-03-30 19:41:58 +0000 | L29Ah | (~L29Ah@wikipedia/L29Ah) |
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| 2023-03-30 20:17:10 +0000 | malook | (~Thunderbi@46.52.72.170) () |
| 2023-03-30 20:48:53 +0000 | <xmonadtrack> | New branch created: pull/445 (1 commit) https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad/pull/445 |
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| 2023-03-30 23:57:12 +0000 | stackdroid18 | (14094@de1.hashbang.sh) (Quit: hasta la vista... tchau!) |