| 2023-03-20 00:00:37 +0100 | <geekosaur> | (…Data.Semigroup.Internal? It doesn't make any sense as a semigroup, it needs `mempty`) |
| 2023-03-20 00:01:00 +0100 | <geekosaur> | guess they have weird organization for those modules |
| 2023-03-20 00:07:54 +0100 | <Guest1886> | Which log should I look at? ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log and /var/log/Xorg.0.log don't seem to have anything |
| 2023-03-20 00:08:36 +0100 | <Guest1886> | I don't see anything under .xmonad/ |
| 2023-03-20 00:08:52 +0100 | <geekosaur> | session log |
| 2023-03-20 00:09:03 +0100 | <geekosaur> | for startx it'll be the text console |
| 2023-03-20 00:09:17 +0100 | <geekosaur> | for display managers other than sddm it's ~/.xsession (usually) |
| 2023-03-20 00:10:06 +0100 | <geekosaur> | for sddm it's ~/.local/share/sddm/xorg-session.log |
| 2023-03-20 00:10:30 +0100 | <geekosaur> | sorry that was ~/.xsession-errors |
| 2023-03-20 00:11:15 +0100 | <geekosaur> | for display managers other than sddm that is |
| 2023-03-20 00:11:48 +0100 | <Guest1886> | ok I use startx... trying to find the magic ctrl-alt-f# key... |
| 2023-03-20 00:12:04 +0100 | <geekosaur> | should be ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 2023-03-20 00:12:47 +0100 | <Guest1886> | yeah I expected that but only >1 are working (new logins only) |
| 2023-03-20 00:13:03 +0100 | <geekosaur> | although for some reason I've never understood that doesn't work on ubuntu, I always have to ctrl-alt-f2 and then alt-f1 |
| 2023-03-20 00:15:22 +0100 | Guest1886 | (~Guest1886@node-1w7jr9yaj7srjfo5i42ldx870.ipv6.telus.net) (Quit: Client closed) |
| 2023-03-20 00:15:30 +0100 | <geekosaur> | oops? |
| 2023-03-20 00:27:52 +0100 | Guest1886 | (~Guest1886@node-1w7jr9yaj7srjfo5i42ldx870.ipv6.telus.net) |
| 2023-03-20 00:31:44 +0100 | <Guest1886> | https://pastebin.com/GFm11sne |
| 2023-03-20 00:31:48 +0100 | <geekosaur> | did you survive? |
| 2023-03-20 00:34:12 +0100 | <geekosaur> | odd, looks like you killed it with ^C? |
| 2023-03-20 00:34:26 +0100 | <geekosaur> | no focus changes logged, at least |
| 2023-03-20 00:34:57 +0100 | <Guest1886> | yeah... startx wouldn't work while `script` was running so I just did `startx &> log` |
| 2023-03-20 00:34:58 +0100 | <geekosaur> | so whatever godot is doing, xmonad isn't being informed of it by the server 😞 |
| 2023-03-20 00:38:39 +0100 | <Guest1886> | Also, I had to start xmonad/startx with my usual config then reload to your debug config in-session. When I started with the debug config I had no input at all and had to `killall xorg` from another console. |
| 2023-03-20 00:39:16 +0100 | <Guest1886> | I didn't see any obvious xmonad debug output in my pastebin, just the usual reload stuff |
| 2023-03-20 00:39:43 +0100 | <geekosaur> | it should only have been logging focus change related events |
| 2023-03-20 00:40:07 +0100 | <geekosaur> | I could have had you run debugEventsHook unconditionally but that would produce a lot of spam |
| 2023-03-20 00:40:34 +0100 | <geekosaur> | that thing about the debug config sounds very wrong |
| 2023-03-20 00:43:25 +0100 | Guest1886 | (~Guest1886@node-1w7jr9yaj7srjfo5i42ldx870.ipv6.telus.net) (Quit: Client closed) |
| 2023-03-20 00:43:37 +0100 | <geekosaur> | no, I had `return (All True)`. but it sounds as if it got `False` instead |
| 2023-03-20 00:43:39 +0100 | <geekosaur> | sigh |
| 2023-03-20 00:47:46 +0100 | Guest1886 | (~Guest1886@node-1w7jr9yaj7srjfo5i42ldx870.ipv6.telus.net) |
| 2023-03-20 00:50:03 +0100 | <Guest1886> | ok I tried again and everything worked with the debug script at session start, it just took longer than expected for alt+p to bring up dmenu |
| 2023-03-20 00:52:29 +0100 | <Guest1886> | output looks similar, no focus change events. But I don't see any focus change events for `arandr` or the terminals I ran either. Is that expected? |
| 2023-03-20 00:53:02 +0100 | <geekosaur> | arandr uses an override-redirect window, which can't be focused |
| 2023-03-20 00:54:23 +0100 | <geekosaur> | the terminals won't show one on startup because that's a MapNotify event that includes focus. but switching focus from godot to the terminal should I think have included one |
| 2023-03-20 00:54:33 +0100 | <geekosaur> | (although the fact that we do it might suppress it) |
| 2023-03-20 00:55:05 +0100 | <geekosaur> | in any case the important but missing one is where godot is stealing focus back |
| 2023-03-20 00:57:14 +0100 | <geekosaur> | I don't know what it's doing but the fact that xmonad doesn't receive an event from the server makes it impossible for xmonad to show it |
| 2023-03-20 00:59:49 +0100 | <geekosaur> | but then, how does e.g. LXDE know? |
| 2023-03-20 01:01:56 +0100 | <geekosaur> | hm, wait. are you still ^Cing the session? I think if you have redirected stderr to a file then the messages get buffered, and ^C doesn't flush buffers before exiting |
| 2023-03-20 01:03:16 +0100 | <geekosaur> | https://paste.tomsmeding.com/a2fSJs9Y |
| 2023-03-20 01:03:54 +0100 | <geekosaur> | mm, but I'm logging to stdout. hold on |
| 2023-03-20 01:04:33 +0100 | <geekosaur> | https://paste.tomsmeding.com/npoqOZIq |
| 2023-03-20 01:23:19 +0100 | <geekosaur> | and in the meantime I think I've figured out what's going on and why xmonad isn't handling it, but I would like to see the log from that last paste first |
| 2023-03-20 01:24:42 +0100 | sagax | (~sagax_nb@user/sagax) |
| 2023-03-20 01:28:44 +0100 | <geekosaur> | Guest1886 ^ |
| 2023-03-20 01:30:15 +0100 | stellacy | (~stellacy@149.28.194.158) (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in) |
| 2023-03-20 01:37:46 +0100 | stellacy | (~stellacy@149.28.194.158) |
| 2023-03-20 01:51:06 +0100 | <geekosaur> | (for those following along at home: I'm betting they set focus to an internal X11 window without checking to see if their top level window is focused or not. We've gotten away with not checking for this because nobody's used internal X11 windows since the mid 90s because they're slow and inflexible.) |
| 2023-03-20 01:51:55 +0100 | <geekosaur> | (paste to test this: https://paste.tomsmeding.com/D8Les18d — the Focus event should indicate a window not in the following StackSet.) |
| 2023-03-20 01:56:18 +0100 | <geekosaur> | rot. should be https://paste.tomsmeding.com/d9NZUXpi |
| 2023-03-20 01:58:24 +0100 | <geekosaur> | and I am dumping this because I'm exhausted and it's past my bedtime. see yinz tomorrow |
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| 2023-03-20 03:48:55 +0100 | Guest1886 | (~Guest1886@node-1w7jr9yaj7srjfo5i42ldx870.ipv6.telus.net) (Quit: Client closed) |
| 2023-03-20 03:57:18 +0100 | Guest1886 | (~Guest1886@node-1w7jr9yaj7srjfo5i42ldx870.ipv6.telus.net) |
| 2023-03-20 04:02:29 +0100 | <Guest1886> | https://paste.tomsmeding.com/npoqOZIq --> https://pastebin.com/NU3hhEMt |
| 2023-03-20 04:03:39 +0100 | banc | (~banc@154.47.24.197) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) |
| 2023-03-20 04:04:13 +0100 | Guest1886 | (~Guest1886@node-1w7jr9yaj7srjfo5i42ldx870.ipv6.telus.net) (Quit: Client closed) |
| 2023-03-20 04:10:26 +0100 | Guest1886 | (~Guest1886@node-1w7jr9yaj7srjfo5i42ldx870.ipv6.telus.net) |
| 2023-03-20 04:10:42 +0100 | <Guest1886> | https://paste.tomsmeding.com/d9NZUXpi -->  Variable not in scope: debugEventsHook' :: Event -> X a0 |
| 2023-03-20 04:10:42 +0100 | <Guest1886> |   • Perhaps you meant ‘debugEventsHook’ (imported from XMonad.Hooks.DebugEvents) |
| 2023-03-20 04:11:13 +0100 | Guest1886 | (~Guest1886@node-1w7jr9yaj7srjfo5i42ldx870.ipv6.telus.net) (Client Quit) |
| 2023-03-20 04:16:30 +0100 | td_ | (~td@i5387093A.versanet.de) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 2023-03-20 04:18:10 +0100 | Guest1886 | (~Guest1886@node-1w7jr9yaj7srjfo5i42ldx870.ipv6.telus.net) |
| 2023-03-20 04:18:19 +0100 | td_ | (~td@i5387092A.versanet.de) |
| 2023-03-20 04:21:05 +0100 | banc | (~banc@154.47.24.197) |
| 2023-03-20 04:21:24 +0100 | <Guest1886> | https://paste.tomsmeding.com/d9NZUXpi --> https://pastebin.com/9kyn9Jc3 (after removing single quote per above errmsg) |
| 2023-03-20 04:22:49 +0100 | <Guest1886> | geekosaur the `startx &> log` procs ended normally when I exited XMonad after each dbg session. NO ctrl-c |
| 2023-03-20 04:27:23 +0100 | <Guest1886> | to reiterate, I started XMonad with the given dbg configs, then `watch -n0.1 xdotool getwindowfocus getwindowname`, then opened Godot4, then resized windows with `mod+h`, `mod+l` and observed the terminal windows remain highlighted by XMonad while `xdotool` showed that Godot4 gained focus |
| 2023-03-20 04:31:06 +0100 | <Guest1886> | ...until tomorrow, thanks |
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| 2023-03-20 14:23:29 +0100 | hightower2 | (~hightower@85.94.71.188) |
| 2023-03-20 14:26:10 +0100 | <liskin> | Solid: do you have the stickers already? I'll be in Dresden at 10:20 on Saturday :-) |
| 2023-03-20 14:27:21 +0100 | <liskin> | (no pressure but if you happen to be near hbf around 11 I'd love to grab a sticker or two :-)) |
| 2023-03-20 15:20:52 +0100 | <Solid> | liskin: the ones I just ordered will arrive in late March, but I still have a few from the first test batch that I received a while ago |
| 2023-03-20 15:21:35 +0100 | <Solid> | so sure :) |
| 2023-03-20 15:21:57 +0100 | <liskin> | Solid: no other plans for Saturday? :-) |
| 2023-03-20 15:23:03 +0100 | <liskin> | 11:00 is a bit early for lunch, and you don't drink, so while it's not early for a beer IMO, I wouldn't expect you to be excited about that either |
| 2023-03-20 15:23:34 +0100 | <Solid> | :D |
| 2023-03-20 15:23:52 +0100 | <Solid> | we can surely grab something to drink if you want (I bet I can find something non alcolohic!) |
| 2023-03-20 15:24:15 +0100 | <Solid> | (I think the local hackerspace has an open day on Sat, which I want to go to, but that's only later in the day so I should be free until maybe 1330 or so) |
| 2023-03-20 15:31:33 +0100 | Guest1886 | (~Guest1886@node-1w7jr9yaj7srjfo5i42ldx870.ipv6.telus.net) |
| 2023-03-20 15:32:48 +0100 | sagax | (~sagax_nb@user/sagax) |
| 2023-03-20 15:33:59 +0100 | <geekosaur> | Guest1886, I still don't see any focus change events in there. (And I have no idea where the XCreateWindow errors are coming from, except that it's not xmonad; we have a custom X error handler, but those messages are from the default one) |
| 2023-03-20 15:43:48 +0100 | derfflinger | (~derffling@user/derfflinger) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 2023-03-20 15:48:48 +0100 | derfflinger | (~derffling@user/derfflinger) |
| 2023-03-20 15:54:20 +0100 | <geekosaur> | …guess that answered that question |
| 2023-03-20 15:54:39 +0100 | <geekosaur> | (re 9.6.1) |
| 2023-03-20 15:55:45 +0100 | <liskin> | Solid: okay, cool, let's agree on details later (I have no idea what plans Eva made for us, or whether we're taking the train or have friends picking us up or what) |
| 2023-03-20 16:02:11 +0100 | <Solid> | liskin: sounds good to me |
| 2023-03-20 16:02:53 +0100 | <Solid> | r.e. 9.6.1 I think it's enough to just publish an appropriate revision on Hackage |
| 2023-03-20 16:03:21 +0100 | <geekosaur> | needs to be more than a revision; he mentioned import changes |
| 2023-03-20 16:03:39 +0100 | <geekosaur> | which are already in git but not in 0.17.1 |
| 2023-03-20 16:04:00 +0100 | <Solid> | oh right, I read that wrong |
| 2023-03-20 16:06:28 +0100 | <Solid> | guess it's https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad/commit/044d9244e5482fa263606eb29325287a9d01421c and https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad/commit/d170e99bc5e97db96be9a02b72149103e8d419af that are missing |
| 2023-03-20 16:07:14 +0100 | <geekosaur> | here is where it might be nice if we used branches for releases, we could do a 0.17.2 with just those commits |
| 2023-03-20 16:07:25 +0100 | <geekosaur> | cherrypicked |
| 2023-03-20 16:09:45 +0100 | <geekosaur> | that said, it would get us also back into contrib being different version from core |
| 2023-03-20 16:11:06 +0100 | <Solid> | Minor version though, which may be okay |
| 2023-03-20 16:11:32 +0100 | <Solid> | and these two commits are pretty much the only substantial ones (i.e., not CI/docs) to core since 0.17.1, so it should be fine |
| 2023-03-20 16:12:22 +0100 | <Solid> | I think contrib should build as-is with 9.6, and releasing a minor version with so many breaking changes does not sound like a good idea |
| 2023-03-20 16:13:03 +0100 | derfflinger | (~derffling@user/derfflinger) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2023-03-20 16:22:39 +0100 | <Solid> | nevermind, contrib doesn't build after all |
| 2023-03-20 16:22:45 +0100 | <liskin> | I think we can do a release branch if we needed to |
| 2023-03-20 16:22:58 +0100 | <Solid> | but that means we could easily cherry-pick the relevant commits and release a minor version |
| 2023-03-20 16:23:11 +0100 | <liskin> | yes |
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