2023/03/12

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2023-03-12 01:08:14 +0000catman(~catman@user/catman) (Quit: WeeChat 3.8)
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2023-03-12 01:24:31 +0000 <HB[m]> Dude. I'm so tired of this thing every time it happens it costs me time and headache.... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/66865f33b3d0b5e42ba3df4c33aab2a7534a…>)
2023-03-12 01:24:53 +0000 <HB[m]> * Dude. I'm so tired of this thing every time it happens it costs me time and headache.... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/a1220928eb1a7450c8607c809f6054e3fd1a…>)
2023-03-12 01:28:10 +0000hightower2(~hightower@dynamic-095-117-033-030.95.117.pool.telefonica.de) (Quit: Leaving)
2023-03-12 01:29:26 +0000 <HB[m]> 20 fucking 23, and the state of Linux desktop is still absolutely fucking garbage.'
2023-03-12 01:29:31 +0000 <HB[m]> I'm so irrated and irritable and
2023-03-12 01:30:10 +0000 <HB[m]> Ugh. I hate everything right now. I want to cry and scream even. Fucking computers. I tell you what, man. I hate these goddamn things.
2023-03-12 01:30:29 +0000 <HB[m]> I would happily use Xmonad only X session, no problem, NOOOOOOOO problem at all.
2023-03-12 01:30:59 +0000 <HB[m]> But then KDE apps are not styled and no panels start and KDE services don't run so you can't use the desktoppy stuff.
2023-03-12 01:31:16 +0000 <HB[m]> Else you have to use Plasma session, with KDEWM=xmonad so it uses Xmonad as WM instead of fucking Kwinm
2023-03-12 01:31:36 +0000 <HB[m]> On top of all this goddamn dickery, fucking KDE assholes are like, fuck Xmonad people, we don't care.
2023-03-12 01:32:20 +0000 <HB[m]> They broke the damn panels. Now if you want to use Xmonad + KDe, I have to bloody patch plasmaframework source every time that package updates.
2023-03-12 01:32:20 +0000 <HB[m]> So I can't use a rolling distro at all. since that package is going to constantly get updated
2023-03-12 01:32:53 +0000 <HB[m]> The reason I use Ubuntu is beacuse I'm used to it and all that. I could use another distro but that's like so much work.
2023-03-12 01:33:06 +0000 <HB[m]> I am literally stuck in middle of two hells.
2023-03-12 01:33:24 +0000 <HB[m]> I can't stand GTK or gnome stuff. I just can't.
2023-03-12 01:33:57 +0000 <HB[m]> KDE is all I use. I mean. And that's incompatible with the one window manager that I can stand using, Xmonad.
2023-03-12 01:34:05 +0000 <HB[m]> So what do I do? I don't know.
2023-03-12 01:37:29 +0000 <HB[m]> OMG I am freaking out right now. 😮😬😯😲
2023-03-12 01:37:51 +0000 <HB[m]> Breathe! Slow.
2023-03-12 02:37:11 +0000 <mazte[m]> Have you given NixOS a try? You might like their stable editions 🍄 HB 🌿:
2023-03-12 02:38:32 +0000 <geekosaur> I wonder, if you don't like gtk, maybe LXQt would be of interest?
2023-03-12 02:38:48 +0000 <mazte[m]> As I understand it, it's a KDE issue, but I think being able to roll back to a version of your software that worked while you fix the other and figure stuff is a much better experience, imo
2023-03-12 02:39:03 +0000 <mazte[m]> mazte[m]: This is in reply to my other comment, btw
2023-03-12 02:39:09 +0000 <mazte[m]> Element is weird
2023-03-12 02:40:06 +0000 <mazte[m]> BTW, the new nixos installer is actually quite nice. It just runs calamares in a graphical session. I got a few friends to switch over thanks to that
2023-03-12 03:01:24 +0000 <HB[m]> Yeah I'll play around with some stuff
2023-03-12 03:01:26 +0000 <HB[m]> Hopefully figure out a solution
2023-03-12 03:01:28 +0000 <HB[m]> How are you guys doing?
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2023-03-12 11:22:54 +0000 <liskin> HB[m]: I feel for you. I have a love/hate relationship with this specific autism symptom of fixating on something working in a certain way and then not being able to budge
2023-03-12 11:23:34 +0000 <liskin> The positive is that some fixations lead to learning a lot about one thing which is useful if someone is willing to pay money for that skill
2023-03-12 11:23:58 +0000 <liskin> But the time it takes away from me is often not worth it :-(
2023-03-12 11:24:36 +0000 <liskin> Yeah sure of course I want to manufacture my own laptop keyboard, thanks "the market".
2023-03-12 11:24:56 +0000 <liskin> (I managed to budge on that one though.)
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2023-03-12 12:07:05 +0000 <Solid> liskin: Don't you have one of those anniversary ThinkPads that still have a good-ish keyboard?
2023-03-12 12:10:14 +0000 <Solid[m]> (personally, I'm still waiting for the laptop that doesn't come with a comically large space bar, but I guess that's definitely hopeless)
2023-03-12 12:52:20 +0000 <liskin> Solid: yes but I also have P14s Gen 2 for work
2023-03-12 12:53:05 +0000 <liskin> And I actually like it. It's the best ThinkPad I've ever had. The keyboard is annoying but I managed to get used to it
2023-03-12 12:54:03 +0000 <liskin> (I also have a work M1 Mac but that keyboard and windowmanager is impossible to get used to, so I turned it into a "living room entertainment laptop" 🙂)
2023-03-12 12:54:59 +0000 <liskin> The fingerprint reader on the newer P14s works in Linux out of the box and the one on T25 still doesn't...
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2023-03-12 13:27:32 +0000 <geekosaur> interestingly, mine didn't work when I got it but an upgrade around a year ago made it work
2023-03-12 13:33:50 +0000 <geekosaur> sadly debian has decided that you can't do conditional things in PAM so there's no way to have the keyboard and fingerprint reader at the same time. (RH/fedora hacked up PAM to make it work a decade ago)
2023-03-12 13:35:15 +0000 <liskin> Yeah, logging in after my fingerprint changes, which it does almost every week, always takes like half a minute :-)
2023-03-12 16:11:31 +0000 <HB[m]> Good morning. Today is my birthday!
2023-03-12 16:12:11 +0000 <HB[m]> My desktop wallpaper background hasn't changed in over 12 years 😄
2023-03-12 17:09:26 +0000 <geekosaur> since 2014, possibly earlier as I was running MATE for a while before I submitted X.C.Mate
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2023-03-12 18:15:06 +0000 <liskin> Yeah mine probably for longer
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2023-03-12 20:08:57 +0000 <liskin> Solid: good job with the blog post! Do we know what our plans for the future are? People might like to hear about those as well :-)
2023-03-12 20:10:30 +0000 <liskin> You did mention the nextbike ZuriHac and the core changes but it's not entirely clear that either of these need additional funding
2023-03-12 20:10:43 +0000 <liskin> (on my phone, being terse)
2023-03-12 20:16:04 +0000geekosauris pretty sure the main thing people want to hear is "Wayland support"
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2023-03-12 20:31:31 +0000 <liskin> The one thing that it'd be irresponsible to actually promise
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