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2023-01-06 04:27:29 +0100 <tsandstr> I would like to set up a layout which decorates windows with a border that looks and feels like the Windows95 window border. One aspect of this is that I would like to control many aspects of the buttons (including color, image, etc), depending on whether I am hovering or clicking on them. Is this possible in XMonad via a something already made in xmonad-contrib? Or will I have to roll a whole bunch of stuff myself?
2023-01-06 04:27:29 +0100 <tsandstr> Any advice?
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2023-01-06 13:32:04 +0100mc47(~mc47@xmonad/TheMC47)
2023-01-06 13:44:01 +0100 <xmonadtrack> New xmonad-contrib branch created: pull/792 (1 commit) https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/pull/792
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2023-01-06 13:54:08 +0100 <xmonadtrack> New branch created: pull/437 (1 commit) https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad/pull/437
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2023-01-06 14:43:39 +0100 <ChaoticMist[m]> What is the current status of wayland interest for xmonad?
2023-01-06 14:43:39 +0100 <ChaoticMist[m]> I am aware of waymonad and how the project was abandoned a couple of years ago by the maintainer, but afaik no other project has been created in the attempt to create a wayland alt to xmonad (please tell me I am wrong)
2023-01-06 14:49:16 +0100 <vrs> that's about what I know as well
2023-01-06 14:49:48 +0100 <geekosaur> still no alternative although someone else did pick up ongy's original waymonad work and push it a bit farther along
2023-01-06 14:50:24 +0100 <geekosaur> wlroots, the compositor waymonad uses, has matured quite a bit since then and things might well go better at this point
2023-01-06 14:50:53 +0100 <geekosaur> but none of us knows wayland programming; at some point we'll have to hire someone to write it for us, unless someone volumteers it
2023-01-06 14:51:56 +0100 <geekosaur> meanwhile RH has reportedly extended Xwayland to support managing Wayland windows with an X window manager, so this may solve itself
2023-01-06 15:32:23 +0100 <ChaoticMist[m]> Interesting!
2023-01-06 15:33:02 +0100 <ChaoticMist[m]> What would you say is a good estimate for the cost of migrating xmonad (creating an alt) to wayland?
2023-01-06 15:34:25 +0100 <geekosaur> I have no idea, it'll depend on how different the API is (probably closer to xcb than xlib) and how closely you want to try to emulate it (some things are probably not going to work well, seems unlikely they support appName/className for example as those are for the old X resource system)
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2023-01-06 15:35:24 +0100 <ChaoticMist[m]> Just stumbled upon this: https://wayland-book.com/ and https://wayland.app/protocols/
2023-01-06 15:35:49 +0100 <geekosaur> just scanning through those will not be enough 🙂
2023-01-06 15:35:56 +0100 <ChaoticMist[m]> I know :P
2023-01-06 15:38:26 +0100 <geekosaur> my guess is we need to talk to a Wayland-knowledgeable person (specifically the compositor/WM parts which most devs wouldn't care about) just to plot out an initial design including cost estimates
2023-01-06 15:39:04 +0100 <vrs> hmm are there layouts for intentionally leaving some space free? what I want to do is a ThreeCol layout but it spawns the first two windows only as wide as the columns are
2023-01-06 15:39:21 +0100 <vrs> I could do something with IfMax but there may be nicer ways
2023-01-06 15:41:14 +0100 <geekosaur> most layouts take after Tall in that sense, using the whole screen space always. I'm not recalling any exceptions off the top of my head, ignoring stuff like Spiral
2023-01-06 15:42:58 +0100 <vrs> Spacing/Gaps I suppose
2023-01-06 15:43:24 +0100 <ChaoticMist[m]> Link: https://discord.com/invite/hQ9XvMUjjr
2023-01-06 15:43:25 +0100 <ChaoticMist[m]> geekosaur: I wonder if hyprland discord server would be helpful for this
2023-01-06 15:45:39 +0100 <ChaoticMist[m]> Or River WM folks on IRC
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2023-01-06 16:22:01 +0100 <ChaoticMist[m]> Not haskell folks obv. but still better than nothing
2023-01-06 16:27:48 +0100 <geekosaur> (back shortly, will still be following via element on phone)
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2023-01-06 16:31:57 +0100 <ChaoticMist[m]> It's alright, did the same not so long ago :P (had a walk in the snow before it disappeared)
2023-01-06 16:32:33 +0100xmonadtrack(~xmonadtra@069-135-003-034.biz.spectrum.com)
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2023-01-06 16:32:33 +0100xmonadtrack(~xmonadtra@xmonad/geekosaur)
2023-01-06 16:33:12 +0100 <geekosaur> I was just way overdue for a desktop reboot
2023-01-06 16:33:25 +0100 <geekosaur> and I do all my maintenance foo on Fridays
2023-01-06 16:33:39 +0100 <geekosaur> still have to run updates and reboots on phone and tablet
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2023-01-06 16:39:30 +0100 <ChaoticMist[m]> <geekosaur> "I was just way overdue for a..." <- uptime?
2023-01-06 16:40:18 +0100 <geekosaur> ddon't recall, but some components of MATE as shipped with ubuntu are fairly leaky
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2023-01-06 16:55:24 +0100 <ChaoticMist[m]> * Oh
2023-01-06 16:55:25 +0100 <ChaoticMist[m]> O
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2023-01-06 17:04:45 +0100 <geekosaur> for some reason `indicator-datetime-applet` was taking up 25% of my memory
2023-01-06 17:04:58 +0100liskin[m](~liskinmat@2001:470:69fc:105::768)
2023-01-06 17:05:03 +0100 <geekosaur> of all the things I'd expect to be leaky…
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2023-01-06 19:03:56 +0100 <xmonadtrack> xmonad Yecine Megdiche * v0.17.1-43-g301428e: README: update badge URLs (5 hours ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad/commit/301428e5dfa5
2023-01-06 19:03:58 +0100 <xmonadtrack> xmonad Tony Zorman {GitHub} * v0.17.1-44-g5ecdf75: Merge pull request #437 from TheMC47/master (30 seconds ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad/commit/5ecdf7591d4f
2023-01-06 19:04:05 +0100 <xmonadtrack> xmonad-contrib Yecine Megdiche * v0.17.1-114-ga5bd5d96: README: update badge URLs (5 hours ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/commit/a5bd5d96cac7
2023-01-06 19:04:13 +0100 <xmonadtrack> xmonad-contrib Tony Zorman {GitHub} * v0.17.1-115-g840d7403: Merge pull request #792 from TheMC47/master (12 seconds ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/commit/840d74036637
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