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2022-10-24 00:27:55 +0200jabuxas(~jabuxas@user/jabuxas)
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2022-10-24 00:39:50 +0200 <xmonadtrack> New xmonad-contrib branch created: pull/768 (1 commit) https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/pull/768
2022-10-24 00:39:50 +0200 <xmonadtrack> xmonad-contrib Tomas Janousek https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/pull/768 * v0.17.1-48-g23e3d027: X.H.EwmhDesktops: Add (un)fullscreen hooks (25 minutes ago, 1 file, 31+ 4-) https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/commit/23e3d0270fc7
2022-10-24 00:40:02 +0200liskin[m](~liskinmat@2001:470:69fc:105::768)
2022-10-24 00:46:37 +0200jabuxas(~jabuxas@user/jabuxas)
2022-10-24 00:49:34 +0200 <jabuxas> hello, i'm trying out xmonad and I'm having trouble setting up the tray, I already have the trayer-padding.sh and am running the command on xmobar, but it creates a black space with nothing on it
2022-10-24 00:49:48 +0200 <jabuxas> i have a startup script running trayer --edge top --align right --SetDockType true --SetPartialStrut true --expand true --width 10 --transparent true --tint 0x5f5f5f --height 18
2022-10-24 00:54:30 +0200 <geekosaur> I don't know much about that aspect of xmonad (I use it with MATE so the tray is built into the panel and I use xmonad-log-applet to log to it) but if trayer is starting before xmobar then it may be underneath it. https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmonad-contrib-0.17.1/docs/XMonad-Util-Hacks.html#v:trayerAbov… may help?
2022-10-24 01:03:03 +0200 <jabuxas> I'm trying it out, it is saying no module hacks is imported but I clearly imported XMonad-Util-Hacks
2022-10-24 01:12:20 +0200 <geekosaur> `import qualified XMonad.Util.Hacks as Hacks`
2022-10-24 01:20:17 +0200 <jabuxas> ok
2022-10-24 01:20:23 +0200 <jabuxas> so I managed to recompile
2022-10-24 01:26:26 +0200 <jabuxas> I think I would need to restart
2022-10-24 01:28:52 +0200 <geekosaur> if you used mod-q it should already be active. if it didn't raise trayer then you may have to make sure trayer was launched in the session log (usually ~/.xsession-errors)
2022-10-24 01:31:35 +0200 <jabuxas> I launched trayer through terminal and then xmonad --restart
2022-10-24 01:31:39 +0200 <jabuxas> is that the same effect?
2022-10-24 01:33:30 +0200 <jabuxas> but now xmobar isn't giving space to trayer, idk if that's good or not
2022-10-24 01:36:22 +0200 <geekosaur> should have been, but then why isn't it being raised?
2022-10-24 01:36:38 +0200 <geekosaur> I don't know about trayer-padding.sh
2022-10-24 01:36:52 +0200 <geekosaur> hm, wonder if Solid happens to be around, this is more his area
2022-10-24 01:37:29 +0200 <jabuxas> https://codeberg.org/xmobar/xmobar/issues/239#issuecomment-537931
2022-10-24 01:37:33 +0200 <jabuxas> it's this shell script
2022-10-24 01:39:02 +0200 <jabuxas> trayer wasn't running for some reason. it's running now, the doc about util-hacks says to >pass -l to trayer but trayer doesn't have that option
2022-10-24 01:39:05 +0200 <jabuxas> on trayer -h
2022-10-24 01:39:47 +0200 <jabuxas> just checked, man trayer doesn't have it either
2022-10-24 01:42:10 +0200 <geekosaur> sounds like your version of trayer can't lower itself
2022-10-24 01:42:40 +0200 <jabuxas> hmmm
2022-10-24 01:42:45 +0200 <geekosaur> that would cause the hack to not fire, I think (as documented it expects the trayer to be at the bottom of the window stack, and lowers the panel below that)
2022-10-24 01:43:35 +0200 <jabuxas> i have trayer version 1.0 on gentoo.
2022-10-24 01:43:52 +0200 <jabuxas> there's a package called trayer-srg on repos too, i wonder if that's any different
2022-10-24 01:44:18 +0200 <jabuxas> https://packages.gentoo.org/packages/x11-misc/trayer
2022-10-24 01:44:24 +0200 <jabuxas> oh, there's already version 1.1.8
2022-10-24 01:44:28 +0200 <jabuxas> i think trayer was the problem here.
2022-10-24 01:46:11 +0200 <geekosaur> and I just looked at the hack's code and it does indeed look for trayer lowering itself to the bottom of the window stack
2022-10-24 01:48:58 +0200 <jabuxas> cna I change the script to use trayer-srg?
2022-10-24 01:49:10 +0200 <jabuxas> that's the version that's updated on gentoo repos
2022-10-24 01:54:35 +0200 <jabuxas> it worked?
2022-10-24 01:54:38 +0200 <jabuxas> it worked!
2022-10-24 01:58:53 +0200 <jabuxas> it looks a little weird and small but that should be solvable with tweaking the flags
2022-10-24 02:04:00 +0200wonko(~wjc@2a0e:1c80:2:0:45:15:19:130) (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2022-10-24 02:06:50 +0200 <jabuxas> thank you geekosaur
2022-10-24 02:07:05 +0200 <geekosaur> you're welcome
2022-10-24 02:14:00 +0200 <jabuxas> how do u run smonad on mate btw?
2022-10-24 02:15:18 +0200 <geekosaur> https://wiki.haskell.org/Xmonad/Using_xmonad_in_MATE
2022-10-24 02:15:51 +0200 <geekosaur> xmonad-log-applet is a bit of a mess though, you have to connect to it using dbus
2022-10-24 02:17:53 +0200 <jabuxas> how big is the improvement over regular MATE?
2022-10-24 02:17:55 +0200 <geekosaur> also there's like 3 different variants because it has to be built differently for mate, xfce, and gnome2, so it's often not packaged
2022-10-24 02:17:57 +0200 <jabuxas> or how is the change
2022-10-24 02:18:29 +0200 <geekosaur> not a huge change, you get back all the space wasted by marco's borders and such though
2022-10-24 02:18:37 +0200 <geekosaur> (marco being the standard mate wm)
2022-10-24 02:21:17 +0200 <geekosaur> also xmonad is distinctly more keyboard-friendly
2022-10-24 02:22:04 +0200 <geekosaur> especially if you configure FloatKeys which lets you replace the main use of the mouse
2022-10-24 02:22:45 +0200 <geekosaur> so I kinda get the best of both worlds, I have a desktop for apps which want one, but also the advantages of xmonad
2022-10-24 02:23:52 +0200 <jabuxas> interesting
2022-10-24 02:24:16 +0200 <jabuxas> FloatKeys are for moving float windows arounbd?
2022-10-24 02:26:04 +0200 <geekosaur> yes. by default that's pretty much the only thing in xmonad that requires the mouse (mod-mouse1 or mod-mouse3, plus dragging)
2022-10-24 02:26:23 +0200 <geekosaur> mouse1 for move, mouse3 for resize
2022-10-24 02:26:35 +0200 <geekosaur> but FloatKeys provides keyboard equivalents for both
2022-10-24 02:27:08 +0200 <jabuxas> that's very efficient
2022-10-24 02:27:32 +0200 <jabuxas> I don't like forcing myself to much on the keyboard, so mod + m1/m3 for moving and resizing for me is very interesting
2022-10-24 02:27:59 +0200 <jabuxas> but while it took some time for me to get xmonad running, it is a very good wm and im glad i didnt give up this time
2022-10-24 02:29:04 +0200 <geekosaur> there are also mouse equivalents available for some of the keyboard operations (for example DragPane in place of the usual keyboard adjustment of master vs. slave window space)
2022-10-24 02:29:25 +0200 <geekosaur> we're all about the flexibility 🙂
2022-10-24 02:43:34 +0200 <jabuxas> https://imgur.com/a/jOiExkb
2022-10-24 02:43:39 +0200 <jabuxas> looking good, the trayer
2022-10-24 02:43:52 +0200 <jabuxas> jsut need to fix some scripts and coloring
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2022-10-24 10:54:53 +0200 <[Leary]> The event loops in the repeatable actions block the main xmonad event loop, right? What hoppens to the events generated in the meantime---are they lost, queued up, somehow handled?
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2022-10-24 11:04:57 +0200 <liskin> [Leary]: they stay in the queue
2022-10-24 11:05:07 +0200 <liskin> man XMaskEvent
2022-10-24 11:07:05 +0200 <[Leary]> liskin: I see, thanks.
2022-10-24 11:13:20 +0200 <[Leary]> I wonder what X.A.CycleRecentWS is doing with its `unView` then. It shouldn't need to worry about mangling intermediate changes, and could just grab a copy of the windowset at the start to base each preview off of.
2022-10-24 11:15:45 +0200 <[Leary]> Perhaps the non-mangling is just an incidental bonus, and I've misunderstood its purpose.
2022-10-24 11:15:52 +0200 <liskin> that code seems familiar
2022-10-24 11:16:05 +0200 <liskin> I'm pretty sure you'll find an entire essay full of answers in its git blame :-)
2022-10-24 11:17:44 +0200 <liskin> hm, it's not there
2022-10-24 11:18:24 +0200 <liskin> https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/pull/543#discussion_r630279325
2022-10-24 11:18:30 +0200 <liskin> there may be more in that PR
2022-10-24 11:20:56 +0200 <liskin> in unrelated news, 0.17.1 in debian unstable \o/
2022-10-24 11:22:36 +0200 <liskin> looks like not bumping the 0.17 is the key, so we must never ever do breaking changes again :-D
2022-10-24 11:23:23 +0200 <liskin> (too late it seems :-))
2022-10-24 11:24:25 +0200 <Solid> very much too late :]
2022-10-24 11:24:51 +0200 <Solid> we could, of course, ride the 0.17.x wave from now on, not like we follow PVP anyways :>
2022-10-24 11:32:07 +0200 <[Leary]> Okay, so it comes down to the fact the just running the layouts can change layout state, and discarding those changes can create bugs. That's kinda awkward.
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2022-10-24 11:46:56 +0200 <liskin> real word code tends to be hairy :-)
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2022-10-24 18:40:50 +0200 <jabuxas> my xmonad is tiling every window by default after I booted my pc today, yesterday everything was fine. Is there any setting that could possibly be doing that?
2022-10-24 18:43:24 +0200 <jabuxas> actually, figured it out. yesterday I was playing with some windows that needed doFloat and doShift. I guess I can't put both at the same time (even though it compiles just fine)
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2022-10-24 18:44:18 +0200 <jabuxas> `, [ className =? "Lutris" --> doShift "gfx", doFloat]` like this. Is it even possible to do this?
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2022-10-24 19:00:50 +0200 <[Leary]> jabuxas: the comma there has the lowest precedence (as it were). So the `className` check only applies to the `doShift`, which `doFloat` applies unchecked---to all windows. You want something like `... -> doShift "gfx" <> doFloat`.
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2022-10-24 19:01:11 +0200 <[Leary]> while*
2022-10-24 19:04:22 +0200 <jabuxas> it worked! ty, Leary
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2022-10-24 21:36:38 +0200mc47(~mc47@xmonad/TheMC47)
2022-10-24 21:38:45 +0200 <mc47> Solid the stickers look AWESOME! Where did you get them?
2022-10-24 21:40:07 +0200 <mc47> (I must apologize about munihac, I could barely leave my bed that weekend... things are getting better now I hope... and screw bureaucracy)
2022-10-24 22:05:50 +0200geekosaurcame near that this past weekend and it continued into this morning. thankfully it let up enough that I could go to the bank and the store
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