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2022-10-01 01:25:24 +0200 <HP-UX> https://ia802309.us.archive.org/4/items/TheStumpWMExperience/TheStumpWMExperience.ogg
2022-10-01 01:25:32 +0200 <HP-UX> People have been trying to sell me on spatial navigation in stumpwm
2022-10-01 01:25:37 +0200 <HP-UX> Does Xmonad have anything similar?
2022-10-01 01:25:42 +0200 <HP-UX> https://demosthenes.org/tmp/StumpWMSpatialGroups.mp4
2022-10-01 01:28:53 +0200chomwitt(~chomwitt@2a02:587:dc14:f500:3759:458b:6e75:9dca) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2022-10-01 01:30:46 +0200geekosaurhas sensory difficulties and as such will not be watching videos to find out
2022-10-01 01:33:46 +0200 <mekeor[m]> having skimmed the videos, i'd guess (!) that it's about selecting/focusing a certain window by using three numbers: one for the workspace; and two other for column and row (or coordinates, if you will)
2022-10-01 01:36:05 +0200 <geekosaur> sounds like something WindowNavigation could be adapted to do
2022-10-01 01:36:56 +0200 <HP-UX> Hmm
2022-10-01 01:37:39 +0200 <HP-UX> It's like, every 'workspace' is a 'desktop' in stump, and each desktop has arbitrarfy number of windows, arranged in a grid, and you can navigate to them using arrow keys, so you know which way is what app... apparently
2022-10-01 01:40:00 +0200 <HP-UX> XMonad.Actions.WindowNavigation : This module is experimental. You'll have better luck with the original.
2022-10-01 01:40:12 +0200 <HP-UX> Hmm. I wonder if it's gonna be okay to try
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2022-10-01 01:46:23 +0200 <HP-UX> So using the window navigation, how would you layout windows in a grid, full screen, to navigate using u/d/l/r keys
2022-10-01 01:46:32 +0200 <HP-UX> like
2022-10-01 01:46:45 +0200 <HP-UX> []
2022-10-01 01:46:48 +0200 <HP-UX> [] [] []
2022-10-01 01:47:13 +0200 <HP-UX> So if you'e on left, you have to go middle to go up, can't just go from left one to up, like that
2022-10-01 01:47:28 +0200 <HP-UX> that's one workspace, and in that workspace, windows are laid out like this in a grid
2022-10-01 01:47:40 +0200 <HP-UX> How is this possible?
2022-10-01 01:53:53 +0200 <HP-UX> There is an actions gridselect...
2022-10-01 01:54:02 +0200 <HP-UX> X.A.GridSeelct
2022-10-01 01:54:33 +0200 <HP-UX> Oh no that's not it. Doh.
2022-10-01 01:55:31 +0200 <geekosaur> X.L.Grid{,Variants}?
2022-10-01 01:57:30 +0200 <HP-UX> in a workspace, how can windows be laid out using xy grid like coordinates, like cener is [-1,0] [0,0] [1,0]
2022-10-01 01:58:01 +0200 <HP-UX> [0,-1]
2022-10-01 01:58:03 +0200 <HP-UX> [-1,0] [0,0] [1,0]
2022-10-01 01:58:09 +0200 <HP-UX> etc...
2022-10-01 01:58:54 +0200 <HP-UX> you can define how to layout windows like this in a workspace, and switch to them using left/right/arrow stuff
2022-10-01 01:59:34 +0200 <HP-UX> [-2,0] [-1,0] [0,0] [1,0] [2,0] ... so forth, if that makes sense.
2022-10-01 01:59:47 +0200 <geekosaur> I don't think we have a layout that works like that as such; most people want layouts that use as much of the screen space as possible, not leave lots of space in the corners
2022-10-01 02:00:03 +0200 <HP-UX> No, fulls screen.
2022-10-01 02:00:23 +0200 <geekosaur> that doesn't look full screen to me
2022-10-01 02:00:26 +0200 <HP-UX> each window is fullscreen, on one workspace, but you place windows and nagivate them using grid/coord
2022-10-01 02:00:31 +0200 <HP-UX> That's what I'm saying
2022-10-01 02:00:38 +0200 <HP-UX> if you see the video it wil clarify
2022-10-01 02:01:16 +0200 <HP-UX> that's one workspace, but each window is full screen, but the way you lay them out and navigate them is with arrow keys, using grid/coordinate system like I described
2022-10-01 02:01:35 +0200 <HP-UX> So that one worksapce, has 5 windows, in that grid like layout
2022-10-01 02:01:42 +0200 <HP-UX> all fullscreen, all on one WS
2022-10-01 02:02:16 +0200 <HP-UX> but you specify, that in that workspace, I want firefox to be on top, 0,-1, or I want xterm to be 0,0, under it
2022-10-01 02:02:21 +0200 <HP-UX> all still one one WS, all fullscreen
2022-10-01 02:02:42 +0200 <HP-UX> So if you are on 0,0, you go mod + up, and you get to 0,1 etc.
2022-10-01 02:02:50 +0200 <HP-UX> all still on the same WS, all windows fullscreen
2022-10-01 02:03:22 +0200 <HP-UX> The way I laid them out usin [] was to showcase fullscreen window navigation lyout, not all windows simultanously tiled.
2022-10-01 02:03:22 +0200 <geekosaur> then someone else will have to worry about it; I'm not capable of watching the video, as I told you already
2022-10-01 02:03:28 +0200 <HP-UX> Np
2022-10-01 02:03:36 +0200 <HP-UX> Does it makes sense what I described?
2022-10-01 02:04:08 +0200 <geekosaur> you are talking about a layout of workspaces instead of windows? I think someone just submitted something like that
2022-10-01 02:04:43 +0200 <HP-UX> https://i.imgur.com/xyR7fdZ.png are you able to view an image?
2022-10-01 02:04:58 +0200 <HP-UX> Each 4x4 box is a workspace in Xmonad, imagine that
2022-10-01 02:05:18 +0200 <HP-UX> And windows are laid out in a navigationable grid like so, in each workspace, every window fullscreen
2022-10-01 02:05:25 +0200 <geekosaur> https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/pull/755
2022-10-01 02:06:11 +0200 <HP-UX> And you do mod+3, go to WS 3, then mod + arrow keys to navigate the fullscreen windows on that WS, and have the ability to tell Xmonad, hey, I want this windowClass in this workspace at this location in the grid.
2022-10-01 02:06:56 +0200 <geekosaur> we don't (and I think can't) support that style of navigation not tied to a Layout (and therefore window positions); the StackSet insists on being linear
2022-10-01 02:09:59 +0200 <geekosaur> suppose it's possible that a layout could keep such an arrangement internally, but no such currently exists and I would absolutely not be surprised if it ended up having the same failure modes as our floating layer
2022-10-01 02:12:05 +0200 <HP-UX> Hmm
2022-10-01 02:12:47 +0200 <HP-UX> So currently we can't tell xmonad how to arrange windows in a layout?
2022-10-01 02:12:57 +0200 <HP-UX> What does exactlyt he window navigation do then?
2022-10-01 02:13:18 +0200 <HP-UX> You add window navigation to a layout, as it says, then you can use arrow keys or whatever to navigate the windows on that WS
2022-10-01 02:13:23 +0200 <HP-UX> So far so good
2022-10-01 02:13:23 +0200 <geekosaur> \window navigation works from the on-screen rectangles produced by running the layout
2022-10-01 02:13:32 +0200 <geekosaur> this is not helpful if they're all full screen
2022-10-01 02:33:55 +0200 <HP-UX> So window navigation doesn't work on full screen windows
2022-10-01 02:34:08 +0200 <HP-UX> no arrow key movement. Works on tiled mode though
2022-10-01 02:35:25 +0200 <HP-UX> Does work on other layouts, like accordion and other such, not all.
2022-10-01 02:36:03 +0200 <HP-UX> So long as all the windows are somehow visible on screen, it can navigate using arrow keys, but not in Full mode
2022-10-01 02:36:13 +0200 <HP-UX> :(
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2022-10-01 02:37:02 +0200 <HP-UX> Still useful in tile mopde, not bad. Cool.
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2022-10-01 05:52:40 +0200 <HP-UX> So when a window in a scratchpad need to do file open/save and other types of dialog boxes, the dialog boxes are the same size as the scratch window dimensions
2022-10-01 05:52:47 +0200noex(~null@user/noex)
2022-10-01 05:53:03 +0200 <HP-UX> Is there any way to make those dialog box windows normal size instead of the size of the scratch pad
2022-10-01 05:53:55 +0200 <HP-UX> https://i.imgur.com/0wzkggW.png here my scratchpad which opens up kate in a midde of the screen
2022-10-01 05:54:26 +0200 <HP-UX> when I go to edit kate settings, it is the same size as scratchpad dimensions
2022-10-01 05:56:28 +0200 <HP-UX> I mean, I guess it's not so bad, but it's ... I mean. I dunno. What do you think?
2022-10-01 06:02:47 +0200 <[Leary]> HP-UX: Presumably the boxes are caught by the scratchpad ManageHook. You might be able to evade the issue by refining e.g. `className =? "kate"` to something like `className =? "kate" <&&> not <$> isDialog <&&> isNothing <$> transientTo`.
2022-10-01 07:09:48 +0200 <HP-UX> I guess it's nto so bad, actually.
2022-10-01 07:10:14 +0200 <HP-UX> At least every dialog window is exactly the same size, location, etc. hmm. I actually like it now.
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2022-10-01 08:07:56 +0200 <Guest79> Hi All, I tried to configure a shortcut starting feh with the directory from the current active terminal. I googled arround a bit and found this:
2022-10-01 08:07:57 +0200 <Guest79> https://marcinchmiel.com/articles/2017-09/launching-terminal-emulator-in-current-working-directory…
2022-10-01 08:07:57 +0200 <Guest79> Looks really close to what I need. But, this article is from 2017 is there something builtIn to xmonad in 2022 that I have overseen?
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2022-10-01 11:34:54 +0200 <HP-UX> Hi, trying to figure out how to do this: I have a workspace, where a single window lives, Fullscreen layout, and I want to bind a key that can toggle going to that workspace and back to previous one
2022-10-01 11:43:45 +0200 <liskin> oh, first day of hacktoberfest, and someone submits a low effort code of conduct to the xmonad-web repo :-(
2022-10-01 11:44:43 +0200 <HP-UX> , ("M3-n", windows $ W.greedyView "NSP")
2022-10-01 11:44:54 +0200 <HP-UX> I can do something like this, and I can GO to the NSP workspace for example
2022-10-01 11:45:16 +0200 <HP-UX> But when I'm in the NSP workspace, I'd like the same key combination to toggle back to previous workspace
2022-10-01 11:45:59 +0200 <HP-UX> , ("M-z", toggleWS) --
2022-10-01 11:46:15 +0200 <HP-UX> But this makes for TWO different key combinations
2022-10-01 11:46:34 +0200 <HP-UX> Any way to have only just one, that goes to a certain worksapce, and then back to wherever you were
2022-10-01 11:47:08 +0200 <HP-UX> If I do, M3-n, goes to NSP, then I do M-z, and goes back to whereever it was before it switched to NSP
2022-10-01 11:47:13 +0200 <HP-UX> Please advise, thanks
2022-10-01 11:55:16 +0200chomwitt(~chomwitt@2a02:587:dc14:f500:f42c:42aa:75f3:5bbf)
2022-10-01 12:31:57 +0200 <byorgey> HP-UX: I think you want 'toggleOrView' from XMonad.Actions.CycleWS
2022-10-01 12:38:13 +0200 <HP-UX> W.toggleOrView not in scope...
2022-10-01 12:39:53 +0200 <HP-UX> , ("M3-z", windows $ W.toggleOrView "Emacs")
2022-10-01 12:40:27 +0200 <HP-UX> W.greedyView compiles, np
2022-10-01 12:40:44 +0200azg256(~user@78-56-98-5.static.zebra.lt)
2022-10-01 12:44:30 +0200 <byorgey> HP-UX: it's from the XMonad.Actions.CycleWS module. So at the top you need either just 'import XMonad.Actions.CycleWS', or something like 'import XMonad.Actions.CycleWS (..., toggleOrView)'
2022-10-01 12:44:46 +0200 <HP-UX> It's already there
2022-10-01 12:44:55 +0200 <HP-UX> I use toggleWS like I said, from it, and it works.
2022-10-01 12:44:56 +0200 <fizzie> Then you wouldn't add a `W.` prefix.
2022-10-01 12:45:31 +0200 <HP-UX> import qualified XMonad.StackSet as W
2022-10-01 12:45:37 +0200 <HP-UX> here's the W. prefix coming from
2022-10-01 12:45:44 +0200 <fizzie> Yes, so don't use it with `toggleOrView`.
2022-10-01 12:45:52 +0200 <HP-UX> import XMonad.Actions.CycleWS here's my line
2022-10-01 12:45:56 +0200 <fizzie> You said "W.toggleOrView not in scope..."
2022-10-01 12:46:03 +0200 <HP-UX> I tried both
2022-10-01 12:46:08 +0200 <HP-UX> no luck on with or without W.
2022-10-01 12:46:20 +0200 <HP-UX> , ("M3-z", windows $ toggleOrView "Emacs")
2022-10-01 12:46:24 +0200 <HP-UX> , ("M3-z", windows $ W.toggleOrView "Emacs")
2022-10-01 12:46:35 +0200 <byorgey> HP-UX: what version of xmonad-contrib do you have installed?
2022-10-01 12:46:57 +0200 <HP-UX> https://bpa.st/BVAQ
2022-10-01 12:47:06 +0200 <HP-UX> latest. 0.17 from stack
2022-10-01 12:47:10 +0200 <fizzie> That's an entirely different error.
2022-10-01 12:47:25 +0200 <HP-UX> this error is without W.
2022-10-01 12:47:32 +0200 <HP-UX> 439 | , ("M3-z", windows $ toggleOrView "Emacs")
2022-10-01 12:47:34 +0200 <HP-UX> see
2022-10-01 12:47:38 +0200 <fizzie> Yes, and it means you wouldn't put in `windows $` either, likely.
2022-10-01 12:47:45 +0200 <HP-UX> I see
2022-10-01 12:47:59 +0200 <HP-UX> Oh I see.
2022-10-01 12:48:02 +0200 <fizzie> Just ("M3-z", toggleOrView "Emacs").
2022-10-01 12:48:08 +0200 <HP-UX> Gotcha
2022-10-01 12:48:10 +0200 <HP-UX> Thanks yoyu
2022-10-01 12:48:23 +0200 <HP-UX> Oh man that's brilliant.
2022-10-01 12:48:30 +0200 <HP-UX> About time.
2022-10-01 12:48:48 +0200 <HP-UX> It's like a scratchpad keyword, but minus the limitations of scratchpad
2022-10-01 12:49:00 +0200 <HP-UX> Thank you, I am ...I really gotta learn haskell one of them days
2022-10-01 12:51:27 +0200 <HP-UX> Is it possible to do like emacs style keybindings in Xmonad like "M-x e", toggleOrView "Emacs"
2022-10-01 12:52:00 +0200 <HP-UX> So I can do like, Mod+x then first letter of some app's name to to there
2022-10-01 12:52:54 +0200 <fizzie> Yes, I think EZConfig supports that, but internally using XMonad.Actions.Submap where necessary. Never tried it, though.
2022-10-01 12:53:00 +0200 <fizzie> s/but/by/
2022-10-01 12:53:11 +0200 <HP-UX> https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmonad-contrib-0.17.1/docs/XMonad-Util-EZConfig.html well it says that but I hadn't yet been able to figure itout
2022-10-01 12:53:56 +0200 <HP-UX> Oh I have to do mkkeymap
2022-10-01 12:53:58 +0200 <HP-UX> I see.
2022-10-01 12:54:15 +0200 <fizzie> No, I think `additionalKeysP` uses mkKeymap already.
2022-10-01 12:54:20 +0200 <fizzie> If that's what you're using to add key bindings.
2022-10-01 12:54:25 +0200 <HP-UX> https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmonad-contrib-0.17.1/docs/XMonad-Util-EZConfig.html#g:3
2022-10-01 12:54:51 +0200 <HP-UX> keys = \c -> mkKeymap c $ <- where do I add the keys keymap?
2022-10-01 12:54:54 +0200 <fizzie> I know that's where it's specified, I'm saying `additionalKeys` will call mkKeymap for you.
2022-10-01 12:55:11 +0200 <fizzie> "additionalKeysP -- Like additionalKeys, except using short String key descriptors like "M-m" instead of (modMask, xK_m), as described in the documentation for mkKeymap."
2022-10-01 12:55:59 +0200 <fizzie> So it should just be a matter of adding those to your list. Assuming you're currently calling `additionalKeysP` to add your keys.
2022-10-01 12:56:19 +0200 <HP-UX> What?
2022-10-01 12:56:35 +0200 <HP-UX> Yes
2022-10-01 12:56:48 +0200 <HP-UX> I am already using it, like M3-s, etc.
2022-10-01 12:57:10 +0200 <HP-UX> I am trying to figure out where to put the keys =
2022-10-01 12:57:50 +0200 <fizzie> I'm saying just add whatever Emacs-style keybindings to your list. You don't need to use mkKeymap.
2022-10-01 12:57:59 +0200 <HP-UX> It doesn't work.
2022-10-01 12:58:16 +0200 <HP-UX> I already tried all of the things, that's why I'm asking here
2022-10-01 12:58:33 +0200 <HP-UX> I already tried the emacs style keys in additionalkeysp and they do not work
2022-10-01 12:58:51 +0200 <fizzie> Then it wouldn't work by calling mkKeymap either, because that's exactly what additionalKeysP does. https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmonad-contrib-0.17.1/docs/src/XMonad.Util.EZConfig.html#addit…
2022-10-01 12:58:56 +0200 <HP-UX> , ("M-x e", toggleOrView "Emacs") < this doesn't work
2022-10-01 12:59:12 +0200 <HP-UX> What am I donig wrong?
2022-10-01 12:59:25 +0200 <HP-UX> , ("M3-z", toggleOrView "Emacs") <- this works
2022-10-01 13:00:05 +0200 <HP-UX> I can get combinations to work, but not sequences
2022-10-01 13:00:13 +0200 <fizzie> I haven't tried to use the automatically generated submaps, so I don't think I can really advise there. I don't suppose you have something else bound to plain "M-x" or something?
2022-10-01 13:00:24 +0200 <HP-UX> No I don't think so
2022-10-01 13:00:31 +0200 <HP-UX> Oh nevermind, I stupidly do
2022-10-01 13:00:40 +0200 <HP-UX> I thought I didn't, cuz ... sorry
2022-10-01 13:02:47 +0200 <HP-UX> Ok it works now
2022-10-01 13:02:59 +0200 <HP-UX> Oh this is a life saver, thank you so much my friendly dude man
2022-10-01 13:22:06 +0200 <HP-UX> https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmonad-contrib-0.17.1/docs/XMonad-Actions-Minimize.html
2022-10-01 13:22:36 +0200 <HP-UX> What exactly does min/maximize window do? I don't understand the functionality of it
2022-10-01 13:22:55 +0200 <HP-UX> where does the minimized window go?
2022-10-01 13:28:03 +0200 <mekeor[m]> hello. should i start dbus in my .xsession, beside xmonad? if so, how?
2022-10-01 13:34:53 +0200 <geekosaur> eval $(dbus-launch --sh-syntax --exit-with-session)
2022-10-01 13:36:13 +0200 <geekosaur> HP-UX: it's unmapped, and you need a keybind to get it back
2022-10-01 13:36:44 +0200 <geekosaur> (or a desktop panel which will generally show it in brackets or etc. and you can click it to restore it)
2022-10-01 13:38:17 +0200 <geekosaur> as for `additionalKeysP` and submaps, consider https://github.com/geekosaur/xmonad.hs/blob/skkukuk/xmonad.hs#L203-L209
2022-10-01 13:43:38 +0200 <HP-UX> geekosaur: what is this kind of a key binding? how do you do it?
2022-10-01 13:43:45 +0200 <HP-UX> M-C-cko
2022-10-01 13:45:01 +0200 <HP-UX> So, for example, to run 'spawn "mpc next"', you would hit mod-a (to trigger the submapping) and then n to run that action. (0 means "no modifier"). You are, of course, free to use any combination of modifiers in the submapping. However, anyModifier will not work, because that is a special value passed to XGrabKey() and not an actual modifier.
2022-10-01 13:45:17 +0200 <HP-UX> Sorry my English is weak, trying to make sense out of this sentence
2022-10-01 13:45:43 +0200 <geekosaur> M-C-c, then k, then o
2022-10-01 13:46:24 +0200 <HP-UX> Oh I see
2022-10-01 13:46:32 +0200 <geekosaur> and M-C-c is a Submap generated automatically by additionalKeysP
2022-10-01 13:46:52 +0200 <geekosaur> (as is the following k, but it only has one entry)
2022-10-01 13:48:51 +0200 <geekosaur> for yours in X.A.Submap, note that each entry in the Submap is (0, key). that's the "no modifier" in this case
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2022-10-01 18:37:54 +0200isaacthekind[m](~isaacthek@2001:470:69fc:105::2:6003)
2022-10-01 18:38:40 +0200 <isaacthekind[m]> does anybody have a good example of setting up xmonad on nixOS?
2022-10-01 18:41:37 +0200Maeda(~Maeda@91-161-10-149.subs.proxad.net)
2022-10-01 18:46:12 +0200 <geekosaur> HP_UX, if it wasn't clear, `anyModifier` is a special value. But it has no meaning in a keymap, except for the top level keymap (`keys` function or `additionalKeys`, but not submaps as the keyboard's already grabbed)
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2022-10-01 23:22:09 +0200 <Guest9869> hit how do i prevent xmobar from growing off screen when applications are open, or too many for the matter
2022-10-01 23:23:14 +0200 <Guest9869> as in I have it displaying application names when open, but the bar continues to expand to the right if more are opened
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