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2022-08-26 01:41:59 +0000 <ectospasm> I'm playing around with MPlayer, and I think XMonad is letting the window stay on top when that's not what I want. I'd like it to be like any other XWindow, so I can tile it, or hide it with another window.
2022-08-26 01:42:22 +0000 <ectospasm> Right now, MPlayer is always on top, but doesn't always have focus. Cycling the XMonad layouts doesn't help.
2022-08-26 01:42:48 +0000 <ectospasm> I can see my XMonad border around MPlayer, and when it doesn't have focus I can see a few pixels from my terminal emulator below it.
2022-08-26 01:43:03 +0000 <ectospasm> I've tried a few different video output drivers, but they all do the same thing.
2022-08-26 01:43:26 +0000 <ectospasm> The closest I've come to fixing this is using the MPlayer option -rootwin, but that doesn't really do what I want.
2022-08-26 01:44:38 +0000 <geekosaur> iirc the default ManageHook does something with mplayer
2022-08-26 01:44:52 +0000 <geekosaur> "always on top" sounds like it got floated, and you want it to be tiled
2022-08-26 01:46:41 +0000 <[Leary]> Wow, it really does.
2022-08-26 01:46:53 +0000 <[Leary]> How has this historical artifact survived until now?
2022-08-26 01:47:06 +0000 <[Leary]> I didn't even know people still used mplayer.
2022-08-26 01:49:56 +0000 <ectospasm> geekosaur: I'm not sure how to disable that. I don't have a doFloat for mplayer in my xmonad.hs.
2022-08-26 01:50:25 +0000 <ectospasm> here's my current xmonad.hs: https://git.eldon.me/trey/XMonad/src/branch/master/xmonad.hs
2022-08-26 01:53:14 +0000 <ectospasm> It is getting floated on startup, sending it back to tiling seems to work.
2022-08-26 01:54:08 +0000 <geekosaur> https://git.eldon.me/trey/XMonad/src/branch/master/xmonad.hs#L298 try removing the `<> manageHook desktopConfig`
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2022-08-26 01:54:23 +0000 <geekosaur> most people don't need it anyway, it's pretty obsolete
2022-08-26 01:54:46 +0000 <geekosaur> (it's past my bedtime so hopefully someone else can help you from here)
2022-08-26 01:58:35 +0000 <ectospasm> geekosaur: that did the trick!
2022-08-26 02:01:04 +0000 <[Leary]> `desktopConfig` seems to apply `docks` and `ewmh` to the default config, but from what I can see, the net effect to the ManageHook is only to add `manageDocks` ... which is already being added in manually anyway.
2022-08-26 02:01:18 +0000 <[Leary]> So what geekosaur suggests is indeed what you want, with no losses.
2022-08-26 02:02:11 +0000 <[Leary]> Though that means there's a lot of duplication in your config, since you're also applying `docks` and `ewmh` manually, hopefully to no effect.
2022-08-26 02:02:23 +0000 <[Leary]> ectospasm: ^
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2022-08-26 02:31:12 +0000 <ectospasm> Hmm, I'll have to work on that later. My xmonad.hs has evolved over the past 12+ years, all without me really learning Haskell. I learn just enough to make it do something new, or panic when compiling it breaks unexpectedly. I really should take a class on Haskell, but I just don't have the time.
2022-08-26 02:33:17 +0000 <ectospasm> What gets me is all the operator overloading, and I never understood how to read the expected type of functions.
2022-08-26 02:33:53 +0000 <ectospasm> Especially when they contain intermediate steps
2022-08-26 02:38:32 +0000 <[Leary]> ectospasm: In this case, it's enough to under stand that `xmonad $ docks $ ewmh $ desktopConfig{ ... }` essentially means `xmonad $ docks $ ewmh $ docks $ ewmh $ def{ ... }`, so you can simpify it down to `xmonad $ desktopConfig{ ... }`.
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2022-08-26 03:00:44 +0000 <ectospasm> I'll have to come back sometime later, as it's late for me. I'm sure my xmonsd.hs could be greatly simplified like that, a lot of it has grown over time and there's quite a bit I don't use anymore.
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2022-08-26 12:36:31 +0000 <nurfz[m]> Hi all, I'm using xmonad (0.12) on a raspberry pi and the virtual keyboard "onboard" which I position in a Gap. I want the keyboard to be hidden by default. setGap/setGaps is not available in xmonad 0.12, so I have to use ToggleGaps. But how can I call it once (at startup) to toggle the gaps on ALL workspaces?
2022-08-26 12:36:32 +0000 <nurfz[m]> https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmonad-contrib-0.12/docs/XMonad-Layout-Gaps.html
2022-08-26 12:36:32 +0000 <nurfz[m]> Any ideas?
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2022-08-26 12:43:59 +0000 <geekosaur> `broadcastMessage ToggleGaps` in the startupHook?
2022-08-26 12:44:12 +0000 <[Leary]> nurfz[m]: Looks like `gaps'` has what you want. Also, your xmonad is ancient beyond measure.
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2022-08-26 12:44:41 +0000 <[Leary]> ime, broadcasting to invisible layouts is very unreliable
2022-08-26 12:45:14 +0000 <geekosaur> well, yes
2022-08-26 12:46:54 +0000 <geekosaur> I've done hacky things to get things to happen in the startupHook before 🙂
2022-08-26 12:47:09 +0000 <geekosaur> (then rewrote stuff so I didn't need the hack any more)
2022-08-26 12:50:44 +0000 <[Leary]> I once attempted to have mine reset decoration themes to (new) default in all layouts. The lesson I learnt was: don't.
2022-08-26 12:51:23 +0000 <geekosaur> yeh, I wouldn't trust it with Decoration. that module is hacky to start with
2022-08-26 12:51:54 +0000 <geekosaur> oh also we have a growing list of layouts that don't pass on messages even with broadcast
2022-08-26 12:52:20 +0000 <geekosaur> (which is a bug)
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2022-08-26 15:26:08 +0000 <Solid> 0.12? hot damn
2022-08-26 15:26:36 +0000 <geekosaur> yeh
2022-08-26 15:27:09 +0000 <geekosaur> not even sure that's a reasonable version to run, that was around when ManageDocks was rewritten, with the first couple attempts having bugs
2022-08-26 15:27:16 +0000 <Solid> 7 years ago, apparently; was a cute first semester student and didn't even use gnu/linux back then :>
2022-08-26 15:27:27 +0000 <geekosaur> I think 0.11 would have been better
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2022-08-26 22:28:25 +0000 <thyriaen> I am trying to setup my xmonad enviournment - do you have a good starting point to get polybar up and running with xmonad ? ( no overlapping windows, autoloading on startup ) ?
2022-08-26 22:29:30 +0000 <geekosaur> should I bother repeating what I told you last time?
2022-08-26 22:30:06 +0000 <geekosaur> "overlapping windows" is https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmonad-contrib-0.17.0/docs/XMonad-Hooks-ManageDocks.html
2022-08-26 22:30:17 +0000 <geekosaur> this isn't going to change if you keep asking
2022-08-26 22:30:24 +0000 <thyriaen> ohh thanks - i think i did not quite catch your answer last time
2022-08-26 22:30:47 +0000 <thyriaen> and i just run polybar with a startup hook ?
2022-08-26 22:31:51 +0000 <geekosaur> as for autoloading, https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmonad-0.17.0/docs/XMonad-Core.html#v:spawn
2022-08-26 22:32:02 +0000 <geekosaur> either in main or a startupHook
2022-08-26 22:32:15 +0000 <thyriaen> ok perfect thanks
2022-08-26 22:32:23 +0000 <thyriaen> i think with this i can start get something going
2022-08-26 22:32:31 +0000 <thyriaen> i will try my luck :p
2022-08-26 22:33:26 +0000 <geekosaur> for it to know about windows, you want either https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmonad-contrib-0.17.0/docs/XMonad-Hooks-EwmhDesktops.html (easier) or https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmonad-contrib-0.17.0/docs/XMonad-Hooks-StatusBar-PP.html plus some dbus glue and xmonad-log feeding polybar (significantly harder)
2022-08-26 22:34:07 +0000 <thyriaen> i already have ewmh enabled
2022-08-26 22:34:12 +0000 <thyriaen> and i read somewhere about the dbus
2022-08-26 22:34:21 +0000 <thyriaen> i don't need dbus with ewmh ?
2022-08-26 22:34:58 +0000 <geekosaur> nope
2022-08-26 22:35:03 +0000 <thyriaen> perfect
2022-08-26 22:35:15 +0000 <thyriaen> but all this stuff i will go to once i have a bar running
2022-08-26 22:35:17 +0000 <geekosaur> you only need dbus if you want to control what polybar shows directly with X.H.StatusBar.PP
2022-08-26 22:35:24 +0000 <thyriaen> ok
2022-08-26 22:36:03 +0000 <geekosaur> if you use EWMH it'll do it itself, but you may want to customize its display which requires the StatusBar stuff and dbus and xmonad-log
2022-08-26 22:36:33 +0000 <thyriaen> what do you mean by customize its display ?
2022-08-26 22:36:39 +0000 <geekosaur> sorry for being a bit grumpy btw. I am not having a good day, and I could have sworn I responded quickly the last time you asked so … a bit grumpy
2022-08-26 22:36:58 +0000 <thyriaen> no worries - maybe it just slipped through for some reason
2022-08-26 22:37:14 +0000 <geekosaur> not helped by fighting panic attacks for the past few hours because *sigh* that's my life
2022-08-26 22:37:28 +0000 <thyriaen> i had those too in the last 2 weeks
2022-08-26 22:37:35 +0000 <thyriaen> for the first time ever
2022-08-26 22:40:42 +0000 <thyriaen> alrighty
2022-08-26 22:40:46 +0000 <thyriaen> thanks for the link
2022-08-26 22:41:03 +0000 <thyriaen> i will now hop over to my xmonad machine and will try to set it up
2022-08-26 22:41:15 +0000 <thyriaen> have a good nighty night and see you around when i have more questsions :p
2022-08-26 22:41:34 +0000 <thyriaen> take care of yourself - do what makes you feel good inside
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2022-08-26 23:01:30 +0000 <thyriaen> howdy - it's me again :p
2022-08-26 23:03:07 +0000 <geekosaur> yes?
2022-08-26 23:03:27 +0000 <thyriaen> could you maybe take a look at my xmonad.hs - https://paste.sqt.wtf/2bf5c6@raw i don't understand where xmonad get's the unfocussed border color from - it is not theNormalBorderColor but some sort of darker version of the activeColor i have defined
2022-08-26 23:04:17 +0000 <thyriaen> it would be nice if it could be the myNormalBorderColor i have defined instead
2022-08-26 23:05:07 +0000 <geekosaur> windowNavigation overrides the border colors. you can use a WNConfig to change that
2022-08-26 23:05:33 +0000 <geekosaur> (see configurableNavigation)
2022-08-26 23:06:57 +0000 <thyriaen> ah ok
2022-08-26 23:06:58 +0000 <thyriaen> thanks
2022-08-26 23:09:48 +0000 <thyriaen> hmm i can't find a explanation of wnconfig here: https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmonad-contrib-0.11/docs/XMonad-Layout-WindowNavigation.html#t…
2022-08-26 23:10:45 +0000 <geekosaur> uh, why are you using the docs from 0.11?
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2022-08-26 23:11:36 +0000 <thyriaen> i was asking the same why i got redirected there
2022-08-26 23:12:29 +0000 <geekosaur> but the docs in 0.17 are still a bit opaque. you can't set it directly, you use the functions just above it to build a WNConfig that either uses a custom color for navigation, or uses brightness (which is what you're seeing), or noNavigateBorders for it to leave things alone
2022-08-26 23:13:45 +0000 <thyriaen> i don't follow because i can't find the documentation entry
2022-08-26 23:16:39 +0000 <geekosaur> sigh, documentation hasn't been fixed in git either
2022-08-26 23:16:48 +0000 <geekosaur> meaning there still isn't any
2022-08-26 23:16:53 +0000 <thyriaen> oh
2022-08-26 23:17:20 +0000 <geekosaur> `navigateColor` gives you a WNConfig which uses a specified color to indicate the windows you can reach from the current one
2022-08-26 23:18:15 +0000 <geekosaur> `navigateBrightness` gives you a WNConfig which changes the brightness of the focused window color to indicate those windows. (This is the default and is why you are seeing the focus color dimmed.)
2022-08-26 23:18:27 +0000 <geekosaur> `noNavigateBorders` leaves the borders alone
2022-08-26 23:18:35 +0000 <thyriaen> noNavigateBorders will leave everything as is
2022-08-26 23:18:40 +0000 <thyriaen> which is what i wont
2022-08-26 23:18:42 +0000 <thyriaen> want
2022-08-26 23:18:45 +0000 <thyriaen> it returns a config
2022-08-26 23:18:49 +0000 <geekosaur> right
2022-08-26 23:19:08 +0000 <geekosaur> and you can pass that WNConfig to configurableNavigation, which you then use in place of windowNavigation
2022-08-26 23:19:13 +0000 <thyriaen> so all i have to do is instead of windowNavitagion $... i just do configurableNavigation noNavigateBorders $ ... right ?
2022-08-26 23:19:42 +0000 <geekosaur> yes
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2022-08-26 23:20:24 +0000 <thyriaen> unfortunatly it did no have the desired effect
2022-08-26 23:20:32 +0000 <thyriaen> do i have to reboot ?
2022-08-26 23:20:40 +0000 <geekosaur> did you mod-q?
2022-08-26 23:20:43 +0000 <thyriaen> yea
2022-08-26 23:20:55 +0000 <thyriaen> but some color specific options only change on reboot
2022-08-26 23:21:02 +0000 <thyriaen> for example tab color or font
2022-08-26 23:21:08 +0000 <geekosaur> this should change the type so it should reload.
2022-08-26 23:21:25 +0000 <geekosaur> the ones that don't you can press mod-shift-space to force the layout to be recomputed
2022-08-26 23:21:26 +0000 <thyriaen> still darker version
2022-08-26 23:21:30 +0000 <geekosaur> it won't hurt to try that
2022-08-26 23:21:57 +0000 <thyriaen> also no effect
2022-08-26 23:22:18 +0000 <geekosaur> what version of xmonad? 0.17.0 has a bug that causes color issues with windowNavigation; it's fixed in git
2022-08-26 23:22:39 +0000 <thyriaen> 0.17.0
2022-08-26 23:22:40 +0000 <geekosaur> althoiugh I would expect it to be black instead of just darker in that case
2022-08-26 23:23:17 +0000 <thyriaen> how can i use a navigateColor to set the border myself ?
2022-08-26 23:24:32 +0000 <geekosaur> configurableNavigation (navigateColor "blue") $ ...
2022-08-26 23:24:46 +0000 <thyriaen> can i use hex instead of blue ?
2022-08-26 23:25:19 +0000 <geekosaur> yes
2022-08-26 23:25:26 +0000 <thyriaen> ok i think i gotta reboot here
2022-08-26 23:25:30 +0000 <thyriaen> cause also no effect :p
2022-08-26 23:25:58 +0000 <geekosaur> that sounds like the color bug in 0.17.0
2022-08-26 23:26:07 +0000 <thyriaen> did i undbind the mod shift space thing in my cfg ?
2022-08-26 23:26:09 +0000 <geekosaur> is there any chance you can upgrade to the git version?
2022-08-26 23:26:38 +0000 <thyriaen> only if i compile from source i think
2022-08-26 23:31:17 +0000 <geekosaur> what distro are you on?
2022-08-26 23:31:24 +0000 <thyriaen> fedora 36
2022-08-26 23:31:38 +0000 <geekosaur> hm. dunno about that
2022-08-26 23:32:11 +0000 <geekosaur> but I do think you'll have problems with windowNavigation and border colors until we get 0.17.1 out and distros pick it up
2022-08-26 23:32:24 +0000 <geekosaur> (release currently planned for Sep 3/4)
2022-08-26 23:32:44 +0000 <thyriaen> ok
2022-08-26 23:32:50 +0000 <thyriaen> i will wait then
2022-08-26 23:33:07 +0000 <thyriaen> how quickly does it get packaged with distros usually ?
2022-08-26 23:33:30 +0000 <thyriaen> is it the job of the distro or does xmonad push it to them ?
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2022-08-26 23:50:20 +0000 <geekosaur> it's up to the distro
2022-08-26 23:50:30 +0000 <geekosaur> they took forever to get 0.17.0 packaged 😞
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