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2022-04-21 03:58:04 +0200 <abastro> Is there a way to ask password to change root-owned directories?
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2022-04-21 08:05:40 +0200 <tdammers> fwiw, JSON is a lousy choice for a human-editable config file format
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2022-04-21 12:01:57 +0200 <abastro[m]> tdammers: I think so as well. Btw which human-readable config format do you recommend?
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2022-04-21 14:10:23 +0200 <MrElendig> abastro[m]: sudo/doas
2022-04-21 14:11:46 +0200 <geekosaur> I'm trying to figure the context. there's no (good/safe) way to integrate sudo functionality into, say, XMonad.Prompt
2022-04-21 14:11:50 +0200 <abastro[m]> MrElendig: Seems I forgot to include the details. I meant a way to ask for PW and get permission as root from haskell program
2022-04-21 14:12:08 +0200 <abastro[m]> Oh, this is for installer kind.
2022-04-21 14:12:27 +0200 <geekosaur> there may be a way provided as part of the OS to pop up a password dialog, but these days I think that's through polkit and you can't easily integrate with that either
2022-04-21 14:13:27 +0200 <abastro[m]> I guess firing `sudo` would be the best way then?
2022-04-21 14:13:34 +0200 <geekosaur> generally yes
2022-04-21 14:14:17 +0200 <abastro[m]> Sad, I don't know how to write to root-owned file
2022-04-21 14:15:12 +0200 <abastro[m]> I ofc wanted to avoid invoking sudo but installation business seem to involve them in the end.
2022-04-21 14:15:41 +0200 <geekosaur> if you're installing to system-owned directories then yes
2022-04-21 14:17:47 +0200 <abastro[m]> Well, dependency programs
2022-04-21 14:25:05 +0200 <abastro[m]> Oh right, about writing to root-owned file - I wanted to write to usr/share/xsessions to add my sessions
2022-04-21 14:28:26 +0200 <geekosaur> the cheaty way is sudo tee $filename
2022-04-21 14:28:36 +0200 <geekosaur> (shell metacharacters don't work with sudo)
2022-04-21 14:29:41 +0200 <geekosaur> and then pipe your file to it (the password is read from /dev/tty, not stdin)
2022-04-21 14:30:42 +0200 <abastro[m]> Oh, tee looks useful!
2022-04-21 14:31:16 +0200 <abastro[m]> Thank you.
2022-04-21 14:33:09 +0200 <abastro[m]> I don't like how installing dependency programs require root access... tho it would be reckless to not protect those program installations behind root access
2022-04-21 14:34:51 +0200 <geekosaur> consider that if linux didn;t protect the base system stuff with root access, linux would be even worse than windows with respect to viruses and such
2022-04-21 14:36:27 +0200 <abastro[m]> Wait, is windows considered more vulnerable than linux?
2022-04-21 14:36:41 +0200 <tdammers> depends how you use it
2022-04-21 14:36:57 +0200 <abastro[m]> I thought I only considered my linux safer because I generally am aware of what I am installing and what it does
2022-04-21 14:38:04 +0200 <abastro[m]> Meanwhile Windows is a corporate solution costing a ton, it should be more preventive towards threats
2022-04-21 14:38:56 +0200 <tdammers> there's also the thing where the default installation method on GNU/Linux is to download signed binaries from a trusted repository, whereas, at least as far as personal desktop use goes, the default for Windows has been to install unsigned binaries from unverified websites
2022-04-21 14:39:58 +0200 <tdammers> if you install random crap from random websites on Linux, then that's just as bad as it would be on Windows, the only thing that makes you less likely to be compromised is that Windows is a more common target for such low-hanging-fruit attacks (the "sneakers agains lion attacks" thing)
2022-04-21 14:40:58 +0200 <abastro[m]> Oh.
2022-04-21 14:41:33 +0200 <abastro[m]> I guess I should be worried, I added couple of ppas not provided by OS
2022-04-21 14:42:00 +0200 <tdammers> as long as they come from someone you trust, and you have verified their identity, it should be OK
2022-04-21 14:43:35 +0200 <abastro[m]> I see.. but I wonder if I can even trust nvidias
2022-04-21 14:43:56 +0200 <abastro[m]> Necessary to install graphics driver duh
2022-04-21 14:45:10 +0200 <tdammers> that is of course proprietary code, but at least you still get the same signature checks if you install the nvidia drivers through your package manager
2022-04-21 14:46:02 +0200 <abastro[m]> Package manager does signature checks?
2022-04-21 14:47:01 +0200 <geekosaur> windows is probably less vulnerable than linu these days, because NT-class windows has a better permissions system (original windows had none, not even administrator) and there was a lot of historical cruft that went away starting in windows 8
2022-04-21 14:49:37 +0200 <tdammers> depends on your attack vectors of course, but yes, generally speaking, windows got their act together
2022-04-21 14:50:23 +0200 <tdammers> the permission system is a two-edged sword though - the NT system is far more expressive than Unix permissions, but that also makes it more complex, and harder to understand
2022-04-21 14:50:32 +0200 <geekosaur> true
2022-04-21 14:50:58 +0200 <geekosaur> but a root-like Big Hammer is also a poor choice
2022-04-21 14:51:28 +0200 <tdammers> true; but it's not the only choice you have, even with Unix permissions
2022-04-21 14:52:04 +0200 <geekosaur> and you have to do a lot more work and sometimes go against your distro's permissions if you want to, say, do backups without having to invoke root
2022-04-21 14:52:28 +0200 <geekosaur> so in some ways it just moves the complexity instead of removing it
2022-04-21 14:53:35 +0200 <abastro[m]> <del>Like golang?</del>
2022-04-21 14:53:47 +0200 <tdammers> in a way, yes
2022-04-21 14:54:22 +0200 <tdammers> golang is a simple language, it lacks some abstractive power, and because of that, code is sometimes more complicated than it should be
2022-04-21 14:55:53 +0200 <abastro[m]> Yep now I recognize that I should at least appreciate how it does not accept features without tons of thought
2022-04-21 14:56:09 +0200 <abastro[m]> (The "simplicity" thing still sounds dubious to me tho)
2022-04-21 14:56:27 +0200 <abastro[m]> (Altho i guess comparison is against Java OOP, then.. lol)
2022-04-21 14:57:26 +0200 <tdammers> well, but that's kind of the age-old challenge of designing a programming language: you want the core language to be simple but expressive.
2022-04-21 14:57:52 +0200 <tdammers> if you make it too simple, you force people to write more complicated code; if you make it too complex, then the language itself is, well, too complex
2022-04-21 14:58:54 +0200 <abastro[m]> Indeed, I guess Go just strived to being too simple
2022-04-21 14:59:10 +0200 <abastro[m]> They generally do not care expressiveness it seems
2022-04-21 14:59:23 +0200 <abastro[m]> But that can help readability for beginners too
2022-04-21 15:04:59 +0200 <tdammers> you have to consider the context in which Go was conceived
2022-04-21 15:05:32 +0200 <tdammers> Google is not your average dev shop; the economics that govern 99% of the software industry do not apply to Google.
2022-04-21 15:06:41 +0200 <abastro[m]> Well yeah, but then everyone wants to folloe Yoogle
2022-04-21 15:06:51 +0200 <abastro[m]> s/Yoogle/Google
2022-04-21 15:09:23 +0200 <abastro[m]> Many companies try to do stuffs with lower quality devs as well, which generally saves cost
2022-04-21 15:13:57 +0200 <geekosaur> problem being it doesn't workfor them
2022-04-21 15:15:47 +0200 <abastro[m]> Doesn't work?
2022-04-21 15:15:55 +0200 <abastro[m]> But these companies are operational
2022-04-21 15:16:35 +0200 <geekosaur> operational but not getting the same benefits
2022-04-21 15:16:59 +0200 <geekosaur> admittedly "the perfect is the enemy of the good" also applies here
2022-04-21 15:17:29 +0200 <tdammers> case in point, most companies can get very far with shitty software and horrible development practices.
2022-04-21 15:17:30 +0200 <geekosaur> but you get a lot of barely functioning crap
2022-04-21 15:17:37 +0200 <geekosaur> that, yes
2022-04-21 15:17:56 +0200 <abastro[m]> Indeed, barely functioning crqp
2022-04-21 15:17:58 +0200 <tdammers> it's amazing how long people can hold such a pile of crap together with duct tape and chewing gum
2022-04-21 15:17:58 +0200 <abastro[m]> Crap**
2022-04-21 15:18:44 +0200 <abastro[m]> But at least it saves them cost because the price to pay for the troubles are still quite low
2022-04-21 15:19:32 +0200 <abastro[m]> Well, duct tape at least meeds more praise I think. They themselves should have been made reliable enough to hold other things together
2022-04-21 15:21:13 +0200 <abastro[m]> Writing shitty software is how shops using python operate I guess. Tho they got ideas which get afloat
2022-04-21 15:23:59 +0200 <abastro[m]> At least writing the same junk with Go might be better (or, I guess, not)
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2022-04-21 16:41:05 +0200 <abastro> Why does xmonad pulls build executable from config directory? Can I change the behavior?
2022-04-21 16:42:28 +0200 <geekosaur> the build script, you mean? I think it's considered part of the config insofar as the config needs it (if it is needed)
2022-04-21 16:42:50 +0200 <geekosaur> I don't think there's a separate envar or etc. for the build script
2022-04-21 16:45:02 +0200 <abastro> True, seems like I've been confusing something
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2022-04-21 16:59:21 +0200 <LukasLuluHu[m]> <geekosaur> "although these days we recommend..." <- thank you, but then how would you access XConfig from the additionalKeysP list, should I declare it a global variable? And just to clarify, because the docs couldn't help me here, is def {modMask = mod4Mask} of type XConfig?
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2022-04-21 16:59:58 +0200 <geekosaur> only reason you need it is for modm, but additionalKeysP supports the M- modifier instead
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2022-04-21 17:00:16 +0200 <geekosaur> and takes the config as its first (or as usually used, left) parameter
2022-04-21 17:03:16 +0200 <geekosaur> mm, sadly the tutorial doesn't have enough section headings. look in https://xmonad.org/TUTORIAL.html for "M-S-z" as an example of how to use additionalKeysP. it's written inside `` so it acts as an operator, so the config is its left parameter
2022-04-21 17:03:38 +0200 <geekosaur> so you don't have to extract the modifier key yourself, it does it for you
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2022-04-21 17:03:57 +0200 <geekosaur> and you can just refer to it as the "M-" modifier in a key sequence
2022-04-21 17:32:18 +0200 <LukasLuluHu[m]> ok, thank you! Sadly adding ("M-y", scratchpadSpawnActionTerminal "alacritty") also doesn't spawn an alacritty. But it's also not that important, would only be nice to have.
2022-04-21 17:32:47 +0200 <geekosaur> @where paste
2022-04-21 17:32:48 +0200 <lambdabot> Help us help you: please paste full code, input and/or output at e.g. https://paste.tomsmeding.com
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2022-04-21 17:44:17 +0200 <Guest82> hi has anyone gotten xmonad 17 working on nixos ive struggled for the past day on it
2022-04-21 17:44:35 +0200 <Guest82> looking to transition from arch, used to building with stack
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2022-04-21 17:45:29 +0200 <geekosaur> there's a flake for xmonad and contrib but I know nothing about it, I don't use nixos. well, and there'sa NIX.md at the toplevel of the xmonad repo
2022-04-21 17:45:44 +0200Czernobog(~Czernobog@user/czernobog)
2022-04-21 17:46:45 +0200 <Guest82> I'll research about the flakes! thanks
2022-04-21 17:47:43 +0200 <[Leary]> Guest82: Iirc 0.17 should work out of the box. What problem are you actually seeing?
2022-04-21 17:49:22 +0200 <Guest82> Setup: Encountered missing or private dependencies:
2022-04-21 17:49:22 +0200 <Guest82> xmonad >=0.16.99999 && <0.18
2022-04-21 17:50:10 +0200 <Guest82> smiliar issues documented here
2022-04-21 17:50:11 +0200 <Guest82> https://discourse.nixos.org/t/use-latest-version-of-xmonad-0-17-0/16191/2
2022-04-21 17:51:38 +0200 <[Leary]> Normally you don't select versions like that, you just just xmonad from the appropriate haskell package set.
2022-04-21 17:52:15 +0200 <[Leary]> I don't really know what people are doing in that thread..
2022-04-21 17:52:49 +0200 <Guest82> for some reason it is pulling .15 instead of .17 on the unstable repo for me, but I could have done something incorrectly
2022-04-21 17:53:08 +0200 <Guest82> so my config does not work because it is using the old contrib
2022-04-21 17:53:16 +0200 <Guest82> that is if I set it up as normal
2022-04-21 17:56:57 +0200 <[Leary]> It really should be 0.17 on unstable. Maybe you're pinned to an old nixpkgs, or you need to do some kind of channel update.
2022-04-21 17:59:20 +0200 <[Leary]> I'm rebuilding my system with standard xmonad right now, let's see what version I get.
2022-04-21 17:59:30 +0200 <Guest82> I ran these: sudo nix-channel --add https://nixos.org/channels/nixos-unstable nixos, sudo nix-channel --update, nixos-rebuild switch --upgrade
2022-04-21 17:59:59 +0200 <Guest82> I could totally be going about it completely wrong as I am very new to nix, so i really appreciate all the hlep
2022-04-21 18:01:46 +0200 <[Leary]> Yeah, it's 0.15 on 21.11, 0.17 on unstable.
2022-04-21 18:01:52 +0200 <Guest82> windowManager.xmonad = {
2022-04-21 18:01:52 +0200 <Guest82>   enable = true;
2022-04-21 18:01:53 +0200 <Guest82>   enableContribAndExtras = true;
2022-04-21 18:01:53 +0200 <Guest82>   extraPackages = haskellPackages: [
2022-04-21 18:01:54 +0200 <Guest82>     haskellPackages.xmonad
2022-04-21 18:01:54 +0200 <Guest82>     haskellPackages.xmonad-contrib
2022-04-21 18:01:55 +0200 <Guest82>   ];
2022-04-21 18:01:55 +0200 <Guest82> };
2022-04-21 18:02:34 +0200 <Guest82> hm [Leary] that is what I have in my config file, and that is how I tried to switch to unstable, did I miss a step?
2022-04-21 18:02:42 +0200 <[Leary]> You don't need the extraPackages setting; that's redundant (and maybe harmful, though I doubt it).
2022-04-21 18:04:08 +0200 <[Leary]> Tbh, I wasn't using NixOS for a couple of years, only came back to it recently. My new system is all flake-based, so I don't recall the details with channels.
2022-04-21 18:04:39 +0200 <Guest82> would you recommend I invest into flakes, I have just been following the docks to set up a normal config, no clue on flakes
2022-04-21 18:04:45 +0200 <Guest82> are they much more difficult
2022-04-21 18:05:16 +0200 <Guest82> I'm planning on switching to nix for the reliability and repeatabliity
2022-04-21 18:06:51 +0200 <[Leary]> They're not really more difficult, I guess. Just take a bit of getting used to.
2022-04-21 18:07:04 +0200 <Guest82> [Leary] do you by chance have a dots files available that I could look through and try to understand
2022-04-21 18:09:57 +0200 <[Leary]> Mine have a whiff of boot-strapping about them. They actually wouldn't work out of the box, so they're a bit unhelpful.
2022-04-21 18:10:46 +0200 <Guest82> ah no worries, I will just start messing with why I'm not pulling from unstable on normal repo for a little more then try and tinker with flakes, there has to be some small step or big one I am missing
2022-04-21 18:10:55 +0200 <Guest82> I really appreciate the help! [Leary]
2022-04-21 18:11:23 +0200 <[Leary]> np
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2022-04-21 18:21:04 +0200 <Guest82> hi [Leary] do you mind if I ask what time zone youre in, I am in PST, just was wondering if you might be available to help in the evening when I give it another shot
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2022-04-21 18:23:47 +0200 <[Leary]> It's very late/early where I am; I'll be sleeping soon. But if your evening is eight or ten hours from now, I might be around.
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