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2022-04-11 04:18:54 +0200 <abastro[m]> Yea, "Clean code" recommends defining named function for many trivial-looking things
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2022-04-11 08:19:55 +0200 <tdammers> No offense, but there's a lot of bullshit in the Clean Code book, and even more bullshit touted by all sorts of people under the "clean code" umbrella
2022-04-11 08:33:57 +0200cfricke(~cfricke@user/cfricke)
2022-04-11 08:35:31 +0200 <amenonsen> maybe, but _this_ function is excellent.
2022-04-11 08:41:38 +0200 <tdammers> Sure, nothing wrong with naming things. As long as those things are tangible enough to be named, that is. But if you try to condense that into a nice soundbitey rule, you just get "things that deserve to be named should be named", so... meh
2022-04-11 08:45:51 +0200 <amenonsen> oh, you mean the namey-names rule. ;-)
2022-04-11 09:10:32 +0200 <tdammers> Yeah. Naming things just because they exist.
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2022-04-11 09:59:38 +0200 <abastro[m]> tdammers: Well yeah, I agree. Nevertheless, beginners seem to find it as a golden standard. Lol
2022-04-11 09:59:50 +0200 <abastro[m]> Likely lots of ppl in industry would do so as well
2022-04-11 10:00:45 +0200 <abastro[m]> "Deserve names, Should be named" could be hard for beginners at least tbh
2022-04-11 10:01:15 +0200 <abastro[m]> Tho ye I guess it makes more sense where simple null checks could mean `isLeaf` of tree
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2022-04-11 11:32:29 +0200 <Solid> I've never heard a beginner mention that book ever
2022-04-11 11:32:42 +0200liskin[m](~liskinmat@2001:470:69fc:105::768)
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2022-04-11 12:09:21 +0200 <tdammers> No, but it is often recommended *to* beginners, or people just past the beginner stage.
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2022-04-11 12:13:30 +0200 <liskin> I'd argue that no single book should be taken as gospel (pun very much intended).
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2022-04-11 13:19:16 +0200 <amenonsen> is spawnOnce a suitable replacement for spawn "pgrep xmobar >/dev/null || exec xmobar"?
2022-04-11 13:20:08 +0200 <amenonsen> from what i understand, it wouldn't work if xmobar might be running somewhere else, but in my case i'm not starting it anywhere else, so it should be ok.
2022-04-11 13:20:14 +0200 <amenonsen> s/running/started/
2022-04-11 13:23:47 +0200 <amenonsen> on the other hand, when i change my xmonad.hs and restart, i expect it'll re-spawn everything. maybe it's not worth changing.
2022-04-11 13:24:15 +0200 <liskin> amenonsen: have you seen https://xmonad.github.io/xmonad-docs/xmonad-contrib-0.17.0.9/XMonad-Hooks-StatusBar.html ? That thing will spawn it for you, and also kill/restart it when needed.
2022-04-11 13:24:41 +0200 <liskin> Especially useful for per-screen xmobars if one expects to (dis)connect outputs dynamically.
2022-04-11 13:24:55 +0200 <amenonsen> oh!
2022-04-11 13:24:57 +0200 <liskin> amenonsen: BTW thanks for reporting on your experiences with sway, that's really appreciated
2022-04-11 13:25:18 +0200 <amenonsen> i was looking at moving from DynamicLog to StatusBar, but i didn't realise it could start xmobar for me too.
2022-04-11 13:25:46 +0200 <amenonsen> (i'm using the spawn/pgrep trick to start other programs too, dunst, stalonetray, xss-lock, etc.)
2022-04-11 13:26:01 +0200 <amenonsen> liskin: thanks. it was an interesting experience for sure.
2022-04-11 13:26:07 +0200 <liskin> some stuff in DynamicLog already did start it for you, but only the property-based logging stuff, not the pipe-based
2022-04-11 13:26:50 +0200liskinstarts the other stuff via systemd, takes care of restarting too
2022-04-11 13:27:03 +0200 <amenonsen> the funny thing is, screen tearing under X has never bothered me very much, but i'm finding it ridiculously obtrusive now. i honestly can't figure out if it's worse on this new machine where i've never run X before, or if it's like it always was, and i'm just noticing it more now.
2022-04-11 13:27:24 +0200 <amenonsen> but i think it actually IS worse on this machine.
2022-04-11 13:27:54 +0200 <liskin> if you've used x86-video-intel in the past, as many of us had at some point, chances are tearing was indeed not a problem historically
2022-04-11 13:29:31 +0200 <liskin> but it's no longer maintained and crashes a lot more than the modesetting driver, so distros no longer use it, and everyone needs to run a compositor these days
2022-04-11 13:30:23 +0200 <amenonsen> oh
2022-04-11 13:32:35 +0200 <amenonsen> like picom?
2022-04-11 13:32:53 +0200 <liskin> like that, yes
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2022-04-11 13:38:35 +0200 <mion> xf86-video-intel is still maintained
2022-04-11 13:38:44 +0200 <mion> (but modesetting is generally better)
2022-04-11 13:40:12 +0200 <amenonsen> yikes
2022-04-11 13:40:26 +0200 <amenonsen> (i just started picom)
2022-04-11 13:40:37 +0200 <mion> default picom config is pretty bad
2022-04-11 13:40:59 +0200 <amenonsen> thank you for giving me some hope that it may be possible to make it better :-)
2022-04-11 13:41:11 +0200 <mion> it does silly things like make right click menus transparent
2022-04-11 13:41:44 +0200 <liskin> amenonsen: it will make some things better and other things worse :-D
2022-04-11 13:53:53 +0200 <liskin> mion: oh, interesting; having last released 7 years ago and having last pushed a year ago gives a different impression, though :-)
2022-04-11 13:56:32 +0200 <mion> liskin: intel for some reason insist on keeping their own copy of it instead of upstreaming :/
2022-04-11 13:58:49 +0200 <liskin> mion: where does one find that copy?
2022-04-11 13:59:19 +0200 <mion> liskin: don't have the url at hand. Intel added support for their new dgpus and stuff to it
2022-04-11 13:59:54 +0200 <mion> wouldn't be surprised if its some big corporate that insists on using the driver and intel catering to them
2022-04-11 14:00:13 +0200sagax(~sagax_nb@user/sagax)
2022-04-11 14:04:27 +0200 <amenonsen> btw, i've started using a NamedScratchpad to run insect.sh (a calculator with a text interface). it's pretty handy.
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2022-04-11 14:56:45 +0200 <Ether[m]> Does anyone how i can only have borders on focused window?
2022-04-11 14:57:09 +0200 <Ether[m]> Not on inactive windows/recent windows..
2022-04-11 15:00:05 +0200 <geekosaur> that's somewhat difficult to do
2022-04-11 15:00:41 +0200 <geekosaur> and there would be a lot of flickering, because you'd have to do it in the logHook so every time something changed all the borders would flicker
2022-04-11 15:01:35 +0200 <geekosaur> I just set the inactive border color to the same as my gtk theme's window color so it's not obvious
2022-04-11 15:02:26 +0200 <Ether[m]> geekosaur: Cleaver
2022-04-11 15:02:32 +0200 <Ether[m]> Clever*
2022-04-11 15:02:58 +0200 <Ether[m]> But isnt that the norm window border color?
2022-04-11 15:03:08 +0200 <Ether[m]> How do i change inactive window color?
2022-04-11 15:03:31 +0200 <geekosaur> inactiveBorderColor is one of the things you can set in the config record
2022-04-11 15:04:19 +0200 <geekosaur> sorry, it's normalBorderColor as opposed ot activeBorderColor
2022-04-11 15:04:21 +0200 <geekosaur> https://github.com/geekosaur/xmonad.hs/blob/skkukuk/xmonad.hs#L89
2022-04-11 15:06:53 +0200 <Ether[m]> Hmm
2022-04-11 15:09:20 +0200 <geekosaur> are you really seeing recent windows colored differently? I think that's a specific module that does that
2022-04-11 15:09:26 +0200 <geekosaur> not default behavior
2022-04-11 15:31:02 +0200 <Ether[m]> <geekosaur> "are you really seeing recent..." <- What module?
2022-04-11 15:31:27 +0200 <Ether[m]> How do i stop this behavior?
2022-04-11 15:41:00 +0200 <geekosaur> I don't recall the module offhand
2022-04-11 15:41:17 +0200 <geekosaur> also I thought it only did that when activated (for window selection). this sounds odd
2022-04-11 15:41:30 +0200 <geekosaur> can you pastebin your current config?
2022-04-11 15:41:34 +0200 <geekosaur> @where paste
2022-04-11 15:41:34 +0200 <lambdabot> Help us help you: please paste full code, input and/or output at e.g. https://paste.tomsmeding.com
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2022-04-11 16:32:20 +0200 <Ether[m]> <geekosaur> "can you pastebin your current..." <- Hmm
2022-04-11 16:32:31 +0200 <Ether[m]> Giimmme 2 mins.m
2022-04-11 16:47:19 +0200 <Ether[m]> geekosaur: its in my github..
2022-04-11 16:47:40 +0200 <Ether[m]> https://github.com/Ahanaf-Ether/xmonad/blob/stable/xmonad.hs
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2022-04-11 16:59:55 +0200 <geekosaur> it's WindowNavigation, looks like
2022-04-11 17:00:58 +0200 <geekosaur> the documentation is unfortunate but it comes with a WNConfig that disables the feature (noNavigateBorders)
2022-04-11 17:18:53 +0200 <Ether[m]> No way to disable?
2022-04-11 17:21:11 +0200 <Ether[m]> geekosaur
2022-04-11 17:27:55 +0200 <geekosaur> You have to replace `windowNavigation` with `configurableNavigation noNavigateBorders` everywhere it appears
2022-04-11 17:30:55 +0200 <Ether[m]> How i do that?
2022-04-11 17:31:30 +0200 <geekosaur> edit your config? search and replace is in pretty much every editor
2022-04-11 17:32:34 +0200 <Ether[m]> Ohh
2022-04-11 17:32:43 +0200 <Ether[m]> Just like that?
2022-04-11 17:32:49 +0200 <geekosaur> yes
2022-04-11 17:32:50 +0200 <Ether[m]> Isnt that a function?
2022-04-11 17:33:14 +0200 <Ether[m]> So that will throw an error?
2022-04-11 17:33:20 +0200 <geekosaur> yes but your config is already set up so you can just replace one with the other
2022-04-11 17:33:43 +0200 <Ether[m]> Do change it everywhere?
2022-04-11 17:33:53 +0200 <Ether[m]> Excluding import..
2022-04-11 17:34:02 +0200 <geekosaur> theimport starts with uppercase
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2022-04-11 17:34:16 +0200 <geekosaur> if you do a case-matching search and replace it'll just work
2022-04-11 17:34:30 +0200 <Ether[m]> Ohh so all lowercase ones?
2022-04-11 17:34:33 +0200 <Ether[m]> Roger..
2022-04-11 17:36:43 +0200 <Ether[m]> Throws an error
2022-04-11 17:37:14 +0200Ether[m]uploaded an image: (161KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/BNkpghrdaUpeqBlVSdluUiij/20220411_213… >
2022-04-11 17:37:15 +0200 <Ether[m]> geekosaur
2022-04-11 17:38:35 +0200 <Ether[m]> My bad no space*
2022-04-11 17:38:59 +0200 <Ether[m]> No luck same behavior:(
2022-04-11 17:39:56 +0200 <geekosaur> hm, you imported it without a list so it should work, and I'm using the 0.15 docs so it should be there
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2022-04-11 17:41:48 +0200 <Ether[m]> The less bright border is what i dont want..
2022-04-11 17:42:08 +0200 <Guest53> I would like to ask how i can get a transparent xmobar. I tryed setting alpha = 0, in the config file but nothing happens. Thanks
2022-04-11 17:42:58 +0200 <Ether[m]> Guest53: Picom..
2022-04-11 17:43:09 +0200 <Ether[m]> You need to use a compositor..
2022-04-11 17:43:45 +0200 <Ether[m]> Compton/picom one that supports transparency..
2022-04-11 17:44:20 +0200 <Ether[m]> Find class name for xmobar and set your picom config. Thats the general take..
2022-04-11 17:44:32 +0200 <Ether[m]> Guest53
2022-04-11 17:46:35 +0200 <geekosaur> Ether[m], you have that all over the place. you should probably pick one place to put it, not everywhere it could possibly appear…
2022-04-11 17:46:36 +0200 <Guest53> Ok, i am absolute layman with picom, how may I do what you suggested?
2022-04-11 17:47:13 +0200 <Ether[m]> geekosaur: ?
2022-04-11 17:48:02 +0200 <Ether[m]> Guest53: What distro are you on?
2022-04-11 17:48:04 +0200 <geekosaur> Guest53, https://github.com/geekosaur/xmonad.hs/blob/skkukuk/compton.conf#L11-L14 but you want to include it instead of excluding it (the key line is 13, but you want to match xmobar's window class instead)
2022-04-11 17:48:25 +0200 <geekosaur> Ether[m], I copied your config over here so I could see what was going wrong
2022-04-11 17:48:38 +0200 <Ether[m]> Oo
2022-04-11 17:48:39 +0200 <geekosaur> you have 10 different copies of `windowNavigation`
2022-04-11 17:48:48 +0200 <Ether[m]> Yes
2022-04-11 17:48:51 +0200 <Ether[m]> And?
2022-04-11 17:48:58 +0200 <geekosaur> one in each layout, one in myLayouts, and one where you use myLayouts
2022-04-11 17:48:59 +0200 <Ether[m]> For each layout..
2022-04-11 17:49:12 +0200 <Ether[m]> Yess.
2022-04-11 17:49:14 +0200 <geekosaur> so you're applyingt it 3 times
2022-04-11 17:49:27 +0200 <Ether[m]> Ohh
2022-04-11 17:49:31 +0200 <Ether[m]> So where should i apply it?
2022-04-11 17:49:39 +0200 <Ether[m]> For all/globally
2022-04-11 17:50:32 +0200 <geekosaur> you only need the one on line 538, the layoutHook definition
2022-04-11 17:50:46 +0200 <Ether[m]> Thanks
2022-04-11 17:52:07 +0200 <Guest53> Thanks, ill give it a try
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2022-04-11 17:52:39 +0200 <Ether[m]> geekosaur: your a genius:)
2022-04-11 17:52:43 +0200 <geekosaur> and yes, any time you want to use alpha you need a compositor
2022-04-11 17:53:04 +0200 <geekosaur> some terminals can "fake" it but it's imperfect, and it's only terminals
2022-04-11 17:56:11 +0200 <geekosaur> which means just setting alpha might be enough as long as picom is running
2022-04-11 17:56:49 +0200 <geekosaur> (feel free to copy my config though, it's nicer than the default. unless you prefer inactive transparency to inactive dim, but I find that unreadable)
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2022-04-11 18:48:42 +0200 <Ether[m]> geekosaur i am really struggling trying to get swapping windows directional as expected 😫
2022-04-11 18:49:11 +0200 <Ether[m]> When i swap master window i cant move left..
2022-04-11 18:51:02 +0200 <Ether[m]> Window navigation2d doesn't know which window was last focused.. but windowNavigation does but swap wont work :(
2022-04-11 18:53:43 +0200 <geekosaur> I'm not sure I can help; I don't work with these layouts much, but I know they're kinda abusing xmonad a bit
2022-04-11 18:54:48 +0200 <Ether[m]> Any ideas?
2022-04-11 18:55:21 +0200 <Ether[m]> I hate having to itterate again and agin just to get to left or right windows..
2022-04-11 18:55:31 +0200 <Ether[m]> And i hate wrapping in general..
2022-04-11 18:56:37 +0200 <geekosaur> not really, no
2022-04-11 18:56:50 +0200 <geekosaur> maybe someone else here has an idea
2022-04-11 18:57:12 +0200 <geekosaur> (also I'm shortly going to be away for a couple of hours)
2022-04-11 18:57:38 +0200geekosaur's apartment has bedbugs. they're spraying every few weeks
2022-04-11 18:58:13 +0200 <geekosaur> (speaking of iterating…)
2022-04-11 18:58:35 +0200 <Ether[m]> Haha
2022-04-11 18:58:48 +0200 <Ether[m]> See ya!
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2022-04-11 21:49:39 +0200 <anon_kun600[m]> how do I make it to where xmonad'
2022-04-11 21:49:45 +0200 <anon_kun600[m]> error messages actually are readable to me
2022-04-11 21:49:49 +0200 <anon_kun600[m]> how do I change font color
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2022-04-11 22:14:49 +0200 <geekosaur> hm. normally it uses xmessage and the font is black on white
2022-04-11 22:15:36 +0200 <geekosaur> did your distro replace xmessage perhaps? or you have a gtk settings manager that also sets resources, in which case you would have to change it there somehow
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