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| 2022-03-06 06:49:54 +0100 | iqubic | (~iqubic@c-67-171-37-233.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 2022-03-06 06:50:11 +0100 | <iqubic> | I currently have XMonad installed via these instructions: https://xmonad.org/INSTALL.html#build-using-cabal-install |
| 2022-03-06 06:50:46 +0100 | <iqubic> | Is there analogous set of instructions for installing XMobar, or can I just grab that from cabal via "cabal install xmobar"? |
| 2022-03-06 06:55:53 +0100 | bfrk | (~Thunderbi@2001:9e8:340:300:af5a:d466:69c7:e8d4) |
| 2022-03-06 07:14:37 +0100 | <Solid> | iqubic: if you don't want to use xmobar as a library (i.e., if you don't want a Haskell-based xmobar config) then just install it however you want |
| 2022-03-06 07:15:00 +0100 | <iqubic> | I can have a haskell based xmobar config? How does that work? |
| 2022-03-06 07:15:34 +0100 | <iqubic> | I'm just an ignorant woman when it comes to xmonad and xmobar. |
| 2022-03-06 07:16:32 +0100 | <Solid> | basically like how having a Haskell-based xmonad config works :D (for example, https://codeberg.org/jao/xmobar-config or https://gitlab.com/slotThe/dotfiles/-/tree/master/xmobar/.config/xmobarrc ) |
| 2022-03-06 07:17:54 +0100 | <iqubic> | Is this better or worse than just using xmobarrc? |
| 2022-03-06 07:20:28 +0100 | <Solid> | that sort of depends on your point of view |
| 2022-03-06 07:20:59 +0100 | <iqubic> | How hard would it be to set up an xmobarrc.hs config file? |
| 2022-03-06 07:21:08 +0100 | <Solid> | it's _better_ because it's now turing complete and you can do more stuff; it's _worse_ because... you can now do more stuff, which is probably unecessary given the nature of xmobar |
| 2022-03-06 07:21:30 +0100 | <iqubic> | I like turing complete. |
| 2022-03-06 07:22:07 +0100 | <iqubic> | I want to make an xmobarrc.hs. Is there a good reference for how to set this up and get xmonad talking to it? |
| 2022-03-06 07:22:26 +0100 | <geekosaur> | ghc errormessages are a lotbetter than those of the parserxmobar uses for its config |
| 2022-03-06 07:23:06 +0100 | <Solid> | that is true |
| 2022-03-06 07:23:42 +0100 | <iqubic> | I want to make an xmobarrc.hs? How can I do that? |
| 2022-03-06 07:23:55 +0100 | <Solid> | iqubic: there is an example config here https://github.com/jaor/xmobar/blob/master/examples/xmobar.hs but I don't think there's a tutorial yet |
| 2022-03-06 07:25:04 +0100 | <iqubic> | Yeah, but how do I create a binary that runs with that config? |
| 2022-03-06 07:26:20 +0100 | <Solid> | you can either give it to xmobar like a config file (xmobar ~/.xmobarrc.hs) or you can create a stack project just like with xmonad and directly compile it with your config (you then only need to call `xmobar`) |
| 2022-03-06 07:27:40 +0100 | <iqubic> | I'd like to create a stack project. That seems easiest. |
| 2022-03-06 07:35:17 +0100 | <geekosaur> | btw iqubic, if you didn't know, you can go to github and type "xmobar.hs" into the search box at the top left and see the xmobar.hs of everyone who has one. neat way to look at other people's configs |
| 2022-03-06 07:35:30 +0100 | <iqubic> | That's really cool. |
| 2022-03-06 07:35:33 +0100 | <geekosaur> | (since lots of people use github to store their dotfiles and such) |
| 2022-03-06 07:35:53 +0100 | <iqubic> | First step is to make a stack project for xmonad/xmobar. |
| 2022-03-06 07:35:57 +0100 | <geekosaur> | can also be interesting because if you go the xmobar.hs route you can define your own plugins |
| 2022-03-06 07:36:08 +0100 | <iqubic> | I'd like that. |
| 2022-03-06 07:36:11 +0100 | <geekosaur> | I think the tutorial even includes a simple "hello world" plugin example |
| 2022-03-06 07:36:39 +0100 | <iqubic> | Yeah, but how do I run xmobar with a xmobarrc.hs file? |
| 2022-03-06 07:37:10 +0100 | <geekosaur> | if you build an xmobar.hs using stack you can just run it. otherwise you pass your xmobar.hs as a config file |
| 2022-03-06 07:37:17 +0100 | <geekosaur> | same as with an xmobarrc |
| 2022-03-06 07:38:07 +0100 | <iqubic> | I'd like to build an xmobar.hs with stack. Do you have an example stack.yaml I can use? |
| 2022-03-06 07:38:34 +0100 | <geekosaur> | I don't (I don't use xmobar), no |
| 2022-03-06 07:39:27 +0100 | <iqubic> | What status bar do you use? |
| 2022-03-06 07:40:16 +0100 | <geekosaur> | awww, I just did that search I mentioned and only got two hits, and neither uses stack :( |
| 2022-03-06 07:40:31 +0100 | <geekosaur> | I run xmonad under MATE so I use mate-panel. I need to use dbus to talk to it |
| 2022-03-06 07:40:41 +0100 | <iqubic> | That's sad. I did the same the thing and got the same results. |
| 2022-03-06 07:41:29 +0100 | <geekosaur> | that xmobar feature has been around for a few years but it's too undocumented so barely anyone knows about it much less uses it |
| 2022-03-06 07:42:22 +0100 | <geekosaur> | anyway my guess is you use a simple stack.yaml, have a cabal file that declares a dependency on xmobar, and just build it |
| 2022-03-06 07:42:31 +0100 | <geekosaur> | shouldn't be any hidden tricks |
| 2022-03-06 07:42:56 +0100 | <geekosaur> | you're just using xmobar as a library instead of as a program |
| 2022-03-06 07:45:07 +0100 | <Solid> | indeed |
| 2022-03-06 07:45:15 +0100 | <Solid> | also the two configs that I linked above are stack-based |
| 2022-03-06 07:49:22 +0100 | <iqubic> | Is it possible to do this with only cabal? |
| 2022-03-06 07:50:33 +0100 | <geekosaur> | anything you can do with stack you can also do with cabal. just need to put your constraints in the cabal file since you don't have a stack resolver constriaining things for you |
| 2022-03-06 07:50:47 +0100 | <iqubic> | Right. I see. |
| 2022-03-06 07:51:39 +0100 | <iqubic> | How do I create an executable from this cabal project? |
| 2022-03-06 07:52:18 +0100 | <geekosaur> | cabal build, then either cabal install or use cabal find-bin to locate and copy the executable |
| 2022-03-06 07:53:27 +0100 | <iqubic> | When I use spawnPipe in xmonad.hs, does that look executables on my user's $PATH? |
| 2022-03-06 07:55:43 +0100 | <geekosaur> | yes |
| 2022-03-06 07:56:23 +0100 | <geekosaur> | just be aware that that path won't usually have come from your shell dotfiles, because xmonad usually doesn;t get started via those |
| 2022-03-06 07:56:46 +0100 | <iqubic> | I see. |
| 2022-03-06 07:57:27 +0100 | <geekosaur> | (I use a simple wrapper script to start xmonad soit gets my full PATH: https://github.com/geekosaur/xmonad.hs/blob/skkukuk/start-xmonad) |
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| 2022-03-06 17:28:17 +0100 | marcello1 | (~mp@p200300dfaf10fe015baf6eed7f4ef68f.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 2022-03-06 17:31:29 +0100 | <marcello1> | hey folks! I am running a distribution which is "installing system libraries with stack" and this seems to be 'a bad idea' according to the maintainers. Following the documentation there are references for distribution which offer proper implementation but apprently mine does not! Nevertheless, I do not want to switch my distri ;) I found a hint how to checkout the latest development branch. But am |
| 2022-03-06 17:31:30 +0100 | <marcello1> | I missing how to install it properly? the README.md at github refers to either download through distribution or the latest gitsnapshot |
| 2022-03-06 17:32:36 +0100 | <Solid> | marcello1: for example, INSTALL.md contains instructions for how to build with stack |
| 2022-03-06 17:32:50 +0100 | <Solid> | https://xmonad.org/INSTALL.html |
| 2022-03-06 17:32:56 +0100 | <marcello1> | is this the preferred way to install? |
| 2022-03-06 17:33:05 +0100 | <marcello1> | I see tarballs with tags |
| 2022-03-06 17:33:11 +0100 | <marcello1> | so many options :D |
| 2022-03-06 17:33:14 +0100 | <Solid> | Yes, especially when your distro doesn't package xmonad |
| 2022-03-06 17:33:29 +0100 | <Solid> | (it's more of a library than an application) |
| 2022-03-06 17:33:35 +0100 | <marcello1> | ok I am not an HS expert. Is stack something like pip for python? |
| 2022-03-06 17:33:42 +0100 | <Solid> | pretty much yes |
| 2022-03-06 17:33:45 +0100 | <marcello1> | I see |
| 2022-03-06 17:33:51 +0100 | <marcello1> | stack over tarbal? |
| 2022-03-06 17:33:57 +0100 | <Solid> | definitely |
| 2022-03-06 17:34:03 +0100 | <marcello1> | thanks Solid! |
| 2022-03-06 17:34:17 +0100 | <marcello1> | so downloading stack then the library then compiling it and just run it? |
| 2022-03-06 17:34:32 +0100 | <Solid> | the install page should have all the info you need |
| 2022-03-06 17:34:39 +0100 | <marcello1> | great! Thanks a lot |
| 2022-03-06 17:34:42 +0100 | <Solid> | if not feel free to ask here again :) |
| 2022-03-06 17:35:07 +0100 | <marcello1> | hehe yeah! I am already overdue I need to have my machine up and running by tomorrow morning it is already evening ;) |
| 2022-03-06 17:43:57 +0100 | <marcello1> | getting an error saying: No setup information found for ghc-8.10.7 on your platform. |
| 2022-03-06 17:43:58 +0100 | <marcello1> | This probably means a GHC bindist has not yet been added for OS key 'linux64-ncurses6'. |
| 2022-03-06 17:44:00 +0100 | <marcello1> | Supported versions: ghc-7.10.3, ghc-8.0.1, ghc-8.0.2, ghc-8.2.1, ghc-8.2.2 |
| 2022-03-06 17:44:25 +0100 | <Solid> | oh yeah you need to either use the system GHC or to symlink some ncurses library on Void |
| 2022-03-06 17:45:00 +0100 | <marcello1> | I just saw I haven't installed GHC at all |
| 2022-03-06 17:45:16 +0100 | <Solid> | stack will usually do this for you |
| 2022-03-06 17:45:39 +0100 | <marcello1> | smart app |
| 2022-03-06 17:46:33 +0100 | <marcello1> | the docu doesn't provide info to resolve what would you propose use system ghc or to symlinc the ncurses lib? |
| 2022-03-06 17:46:38 +0100 | <Solid> | https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/issues/7403 |
| 2022-03-06 17:46:43 +0100 | <Solid> | I think that's the issue |
| 2022-03-06 17:46:51 +0100 | <Solid> | apparently it got fixed and you now only need to install a package |
| 2022-03-06 17:47:01 +0100 | <Solid> | at the very bottom |
| 2022-03-06 17:47:56 +0100 | <marcello1> | indeed |
| 2022-03-06 17:47:59 +0100 | <marcello1> | so 3 solutions |
| 2022-03-06 17:48:21 +0100 | <marcello1> | nevertheless installing xmonad from the packages worked without a problem |
| 2022-03-06 17:50:12 +0100 | <marcello1> | well I do not need to run the installer as root do I? |
| 2022-03-06 17:50:32 +0100 | <Solid> | you do not |
| 2022-03-06 17:50:55 +0100 | <marcello1> | ok I got some kind of error I run it again with verbose |
| 2022-03-06 17:52:04 +0100 | <marcello1> | would you mind looking it this? (: https://paste.debian.net/1233189/ |
| 2022-03-06 17:53:31 +0100 | <Solid> | mh, seems like it fails while installing GHC |
| 2022-03-06 17:53:48 +0100 | <Solid> | are you running the musl version of void? afaik GHC does not provide official binaries for that |
| 2022-03-06 17:55:18 +0100 | <marcello1> | I see |
| 2022-03-06 17:55:23 +0100 | <marcello1> | yes I am (as of now) |
| 2022-03-06 17:55:41 +0100 | <marcello1> | let me quickly spin up a vm and check if it works there |
| 2022-03-06 17:55:56 +0100 | <Solid> | in this case just install GHC system-wide and tell stack that by putting `system-ghc: true' in ~/.stack/config.yaml |
| 2022-03-06 17:56:41 +0100 | <Solid> | you then need change the stack resolver to something that matches your system's GHC version (my GHC 8.10.7 PR is still a bit stalled, so that's not in the repos rn :/) |
| 2022-03-06 17:57:21 +0100 | <marcello1> | what r u using? |
| 2022-03-06 17:57:29 +0100 | <marcello1> | Ok I am reinstalling.. |
| 2022-03-06 17:57:55 +0100 | <Solid> | I'm also using Void on this laptop here (which is why I've been able to follow along with you ;) |
| 2022-03-06 17:58:00 +0100 | <marcello1> | I uncommented the line with system wide - but same issue |
| 2022-03-06 17:58:07 +0100 | <marcello1> | hehehe |
| 2022-03-06 17:58:14 +0100 | <marcello1> | yes I really do love void. |
| 2022-03-06 17:58:40 +0100 | <marcello1> | but I was considering using freebsd on my bus machine, but intel wifi still isn't working |
| 2022-03-06 17:58:57 +0100 | <marcello1> | but I guess you are on glibc aren't youj |
| 2022-03-06 17:59:07 +0100 | <Solid> | I am on musl as well actually |
| 2022-03-06 17:59:56 +0100 | <marcello1> | I have severl problems with musl unfortunately with browsers |
| 2022-03-06 18:00:05 +0100 | <marcello1> | also w/ FF :/ |
| 2022-03-06 18:30:43 +0100 | jao | (~jao@cpc103048-sgyl39-2-0-cust502.18-2.cable.virginm.net) |
| 2022-03-06 18:48:10 +0100 | <marcello1> | Solid: too bad same error message |
| 2022-03-06 18:48:19 +0100 | <marcello1> | so it was not related to musl |
| 2022-03-06 19:06:10 +0100 | <marcello1> | ok well it tries to build hard but some error 'while using x11' without useful insights crashes the whole thing |
| 2022-03-06 19:16:26 +0100 | <marcello1> | seems like I am missing libXss but I don't have it in the repo |
| 2022-03-06 19:16:58 +0100 | <geekosaur> | it's libXScrenSaver |
| 2022-03-06 19:17:03 +0100 | <geekosaur> | *XScrnSaver |
| 2022-03-06 19:20:18 +0100 | <marcello1> | yes I just saw it :D but it does still throw the error that it does not find the .h file |
| 2022-03-06 19:20:39 +0100 | <marcello1> | scrnsaver.h is required from libxss |
| 2022-03-06 19:21:08 +0100 | <marcello1> | perhaps it is not where it expects it to be |
| 2022-03-06 19:21:13 +0100 | <geekosaur> | http://54.37.137.89/pkgs.void/package/libXScrnSaver-devel |
| 2022-03-06 19:21:25 +0100 | <geekosaur> | o.O so much for cut and paste |
| 2022-03-06 19:22:13 +0100 | <marcello1> | ok the devel |
| 2022-03-06 19:22:44 +0100 | <marcello1> | docu said: If you're getting build failures while building the X11 package it may be that you don't have the required C libraries installed. Depending on your system, this may be libX11-devel, or libxss. |
| 2022-03-06 19:22:49 +0100 | <marcello1> | I try again with devel |
| 2022-03-06 19:23:03 +0100 | <geekosaur> | yes but we can't know how *every* linux distribution packages things |
| 2022-03-06 19:23:15 +0100 | <geekosaur> | some of them split runntime and devel packages, some use different names,... |
| 2022-03-06 19:23:22 +0100 | <marcello1> | I see |
| 2022-03-06 19:23:35 +0100 | <marcello1> | I know I know :) |
| 2022-03-06 19:23:45 +0100 | <marcello1> | looking good now |
| 2022-03-06 19:26:35 +0100 | <marcello1> | Xft >= .9 expected but not found although libXft and libXft-devel is installed |
| 2022-03-06 19:26:52 +0100 | <marcello1> | is it something else than libXft? |
| 2022-03-06 19:27:15 +0100 | <geekosaur> | that should be the right package, but it may be the wrong version |
| 2022-03-06 19:27:39 +0100 | <marcello1> | 2.3.4 |
| 2022-03-06 19:29:02 +0100 | <geekosaur> | right, this will be a pkgconfig version number, not a package version, I think |
| 2022-03-06 19:29:39 +0100 | <geekosaur> | hum, but that matches that version number |
| 2022-03-06 19:31:00 +0100 | <geekosaur> | not a hackage version number either |
| 2022-03-06 19:31:09 +0100 | <geekosaur> | Idon't know what would be looking for .9 |
| 2022-03-06 19:31:48 +0100 | <geekosaur> | pkgconfig-depends is unversioned, so it can't be that |
| 2022-03-06 19:33:23 +0100 | <marcello1> | too bad |
| 2022-03-06 19:33:31 +0100 | <geekosaur> | can you pastebin that section of the log? |
| 2022-03-06 19:34:58 +0100 | <marcello1> | I wish but can't copy/paste from the VM |
| 2022-03-06 19:35:17 +0100 | mvk | (~mvk@2607:fea8:5cc3:7e00::45ee) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) |
| 2022-03-06 19:35:46 +0100 | <geekosaur> | :( |
| 2022-03-06 19:37:11 +0100 | <marcello1> | got food now brb |
| 2022-03-06 19:41:53 +0100 | marcello1 | (~mp@p200300dfaf10fe015baf6eed7f4ef68f.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) |
| 2022-03-06 20:11:29 +0100 | marcello1 | (~mp@p200300dfaf10fe015baf6eed7f4ef68f.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 2022-03-06 20:25:44 +0100 | <marcello1> | it was missing another package |
| 2022-03-06 20:26:08 +0100 | <marcello1> | I have to write down which packages are needed :D when I install it on bare metal later |
| 2022-03-06 20:28:39 +0100 | <geekosaur> | you might also consider a wiki entry somewhere, either ours or if void has a wiki, to help others with this |
| 2022-03-06 20:29:50 +0100 | <marcello1> | I worked accordingly to the wiki of xmonad |
| 2022-03-06 20:30:08 +0100 | <marcello1> | but it was sometimes hard to (for me) to read the error messages at compiling |
| 2022-03-06 20:30:40 +0100 | <marcello1> | but I can provide the exact packages later if this would be of any need |
| 2022-03-06 20:30:49 +0100 | <marcello1> | xmonad is running now |
| 2022-03-06 20:30:57 +0100 | <geekosaur> | yay! |
| 2022-03-06 20:33:05 +0100 | <marcello1> | thanks for your help @all |
| 2022-03-06 20:37:19 +0100 | <marcello1> | so once I build it from the git repo according to the manual - what is the best strategy to keep xmonad up to date? |
| 2022-03-06 20:37:49 +0100 | mvk | (~mvk@2607:fea8:5cc3:7e00::45ee) |
| 2022-03-06 20:38:55 +0100 | <geekosaur> | that's up to you. I have a script that updates hackage and my forks of xmonad and xmonad-contrib, then rebuilds locally |
| 2022-03-06 20:40:09 +0100 | <geekosaur> | https://paste.tomsmeding.com/F6cpxUOH |
| 2022-03-06 20:40:49 +0100 | <geekosaur> | suppose if I wanted to I could automate the update of my github forks too, but I CBA |
| 2022-03-06 20:41:09 +0100 | <geekosaur> | (you could skip that part; I'm an active developer so I have my own forks to develop on) |
| 2022-03-06 20:42:23 +0100 | <marcello1> | hehe |
| 2022-03-06 20:42:53 +0100 | <marcello1> | the mentioned git clone is not point based (releases) is it? |
| 2022-03-06 20:43:13 +0100 | <marcello1> | I am only interested in major bug fixes or security issues |
| 2022-03-06 20:43:15 +0100 | <geekosaur> | nope. you could clone a release branch but those don't usually change after being branched |
| 2022-03-06 20:43:35 +0100 | <marcello1> | you mean the tarballs under tags? |
| 2022-03-06 20:43:49 +0100 | <geekosaur> | and each release gets its own branch so a bug fix or security release would be a newpoint release branch |
| 2022-03-06 20:45:09 +0100 | <marcello1> | you also update X11 X11-xft this way? |
| 2022-03-06 20:45:17 +0100 | <geekosaur> | https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad/tree/v0.17.0 |
| 2022-03-06 20:45:30 +0100 | <geekosaur> | those are clones of the actual repos, not my own forks |
| 2022-03-06 20:45:45 +0100 | <geekosaur> | I reserve the right to change that in the future but for now I don't develop on those |
| 2022-03-06 20:45:51 +0100 | <marcello1> | ok |
| 2022-03-06 20:46:15 +0100 | <marcello1> | but downloading from https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad/ is also considered stable? |
| 2022-03-06 20:46:58 +0100 | <geekosaur> | dependson what branch you're on. if you are doing that while pointing to master, you'd get a tarball of master as it is at that point |
| 2022-03-06 20:47:09 +0100 | <geekosaur> | the same thing you'd get with a git checkout |
| 2022-03-06 20:47:31 +0100 | <marcello1> | I followed this guide: Download XMonad sources |
| 2022-03-06 20:47:32 +0100 | <marcello1> | Still in ~/.config/xmonad, clone xmonad and xmonad-contrib repositories using git: |
| 2022-03-06 20:47:34 +0100 | <marcello1> | $ git clone https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad |
| 2022-03-06 20:47:36 +0100 | <marcello1> | $ git clone https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib |
| 2022-03-06 20:47:48 +0100 | <geekosaur> | if you go to the pulldown above thefilelist on the left, you can select different tags |
| 2022-03-06 20:47:56 +0100 | <geekosaur> | 0.17.0 would be the most recent release |
| 2022-03-06 20:48:17 +0100 | <marcello1> | yes this would be with --branch v0.17 before https: ..I assume |
| 2022-03-06 20:50:15 +0100 | <geekosaur> | it's a tag, not a branch, so I don't think that would work |
| 2022-03-06 20:50:30 +0100 | <marcello1> | it is described at least on the download page |
| 2022-03-06 20:50:33 +0100 | <geekosaur> | this is also why I said you can't use it to track updates |
| 2022-03-06 20:50:44 +0100 | <marcello1> | do you only need to recompile and not do stack install ? |
| 2022-03-06 20:51:19 +0100 | <geekosaur> | I use cabal instead of stack; it does the reinstalls of xmonad and xmonad-contrib as needed |
| 2022-03-06 20:51:29 +0100 | <geekosaur> | I presume stack does something similar |
| 2022-03-06 20:51:48 +0100 | <geekosaur> | but the main focus of this update is for my xmonad.hs, not just for xmonad and contrib |
| 2022-03-06 20:52:16 +0100 | <marcello1> | I see |
| 2022-03-06 20:52:19 +0100 | <geekosaur> | when I xmonad--recompile, it invokes a build script that does the cabal updates for me |
| 2022-03-06 20:52:33 +0100 | <marcello1> | sweet |
| 2022-03-06 20:52:53 +0100 | <marcello1> | so you'd recommend to git clone the master branch or download the point release? |
| 2022-03-06 20:53:10 +0100 | <geekosaur> | (currently I have to usea build scriptbecause there isn't direct cabal support for this, only minimal cabal support. there is built-in stack update logic that is used if you have a stack.yaml though) |
| 2022-03-06 20:53:51 +0100 | <geekosaur> | that is up to you. if you get the point release you will need to update it manually, because we don't issue updates to a release after making it, we make a new release instead |
| 2022-03-06 20:54:14 +0100 | <geekosaur> | we could run this differently but we really don't update often enough to bother with a more involved workflow |
| 2022-03-06 20:54:51 +0100 | <geekosaur> | another project I'm involved with has release branches instead of tags, and you can use git to track those as they are updated; new releases are then tags on the original release branch |
| 2022-03-06 20:55:21 +0100 | <marcello1> | ok what is the main point of the tags then? sorry this question is just because i don't understand not to point anything out |
| 2022-03-06 20:55:49 +0100 | <geekosaur> | a tag is a bookmark on a branch, representing the state of that branch at a particular time |
| 2022-03-06 20:55:55 +0100 | <marcello1> | I thought the tags are to be considered -> consitent and stable point .. and master is kinda more beta like? |
| 2022-03-06 20:56:13 +0100 | <marcello1> | ah ok then it does not really make sense to use the tag if I compile from the source, right? |
| 2022-03-06 20:56:23 +0100 | <geekosaur> | yes |
| 2022-03-06 20:56:26 +0100 | <marcello1> | gotcha |
| 2022-03-06 20:56:34 +0100 | theproffesor | (~theproffe@2601:282:8202:4a10::8622) |
| 2022-03-06 20:56:37 +0100 | <geekosaur> | unless you always want the latest development code. (I do but I'm a developer.) |
| 2022-03-06 20:57:01 +0100 | <marcello1> | for that I would need to use another branch but master you mean? |
| 2022-03-06 20:57:19 +0100 | <geekosaur> | as I mentioed,other projects use release branches; work is still done on master but bugfixes and the like get cherry-picked (git actually calls it that) to release branches as needed |
| 2022-03-06 20:57:30 +0100 | <geekosaur> | there's onnly the one branch here |
| 2022-03-06 20:58:11 +0100 | <geekosaur> | you wouldonly use a different branch if you were actively developing something; in the end you would turn your branch into a pull request, which if accepted would eventually be merged back into master |
| 2022-03-06 20:58:23 +0100 | <marcello1> | then I did not understand the last message :D I don't need the latest, but I was thinking maybe it is nevertheless easier to just checkout the master branch instead of downloading the release tags |
| 2022-03-06 20:58:43 +0100 | <geekosaur> | it is easier to keep up to date, it's just going to have more than you want |
| 2022-03-06 20:58:50 +0100 | <marcello1> | I always wanted to learn haskel since I am used to programm in OOP |
| 2022-03-06 20:59:07 +0100 | <marcello1> | the perhaps I could contribute later something ;) |
| 2022-03-06 20:59:10 +0100 | <marcello1> | so* |
| 2022-03-06 21:00:02 +0100 | <geekosaur> | you *could* track master but switch tags as new ones are added; this requires a littl extra setup but would let you split the difference. it would still require manually switching tags to get updates though |
| 2022-03-06 21:00:45 +0100 | <geekosaur> | the branch-based release mechanism would probably work somewhat better for you, but it's more work on our part and not really justified because we have few commits and don't make releases often |
| 2022-03-06 21:01:03 +0100 | <geekosaur> | the other project I'm involved with that uses release branmches has more commits in a day than we have in a month :) |
| 2022-03-06 21:02:03 +0100 | <marcello1> | seems like just cloning the git repo and running recompile should also do the trick with stack: https://paste.debian.net/1233211/ |
| 2022-03-06 21:02:10 +0100 | <geekosaur> | also, even woith release branches, you would nbeed to manually switch branches with every major release |
| 2022-03-06 21:02:18 +0100 | <marcello1> | yes |
| 2022-03-06 21:02:37 +0100 | <geekosaur> | you would only get the minor releases/bugfixes/security etc. automatically |
| 2022-03-06 21:02:44 +0100 | <marcello1> | I saw you have X11 and X11-xft also in your script |
| 2022-03-06 21:03:04 +0100 | <geekosaur> | you probably don't need them. again that's because I'm a developer |
| 2022-03-06 21:03:17 +0100 | <marcello1> | I thought so so you have the latest from the developers |
| 2022-03-06 21:03:22 +0100 | <geekosaur> | and sometimes an unreleased xmonad needs unreleased versions of those |
| 2022-03-06 21:03:37 +0100 | <geekosaur> | most recently that happened before 0.17.0 with X11-xft |
| 2022-03-06 21:03:39 +0100 | <marcello1> | makes sense |
| 2022-03-06 21:03:47 +0100 | <liskin> | the only reason we don't currently have release branches is because we don't need to; I'm sure that if we actually needed to do a point release while having breaking changes in master, we'd just create a branch for the time being; there's absolutely nothing preventing us from doing it whenever |
| 2022-03-06 21:04:21 +0100 | <marcello1> | geekosaur: what happend? just didn't build or did it break enterily and was not able to run anymore? |
| 2022-03-06 21:05:03 +0100 | <geekosaur> | compile error, iirc because we changed an API to produce an error return instead of throwing an exception |
| 2022-03-06 21:05:04 +0100 | <marcello1> | liskin: thanks! yes I use Linux to long with just binary distribution I perhaps build 10 apps from source so I guess my questions are kinda offtopic |
| 2022-03-06 21:05:48 +0100 | <marcello1> | geekosaur: ok :D I was affraid I would break my xmonad after updating ;) |
| 2022-03-06 21:06:00 +0100 | <geekosaur> | we try very hard to avoid that :) |
| 2022-03-06 21:06:08 +0100 | <marcello1> | I am happy to read this :D |
| 2022-03-06 21:06:16 +0100 | <geekosaur> | we gotit wrong once, once was enough |
| 2022-03-06 21:06:34 +0100 | <marcello1> | hehe |
| 2022-03-06 21:12:22 +0100 | <geekosaur> | (espoecially since it bit us twice: once directly because we missed some refactorings due to the typeof getWindowAttributes not changing, then a second time because a rolling-release distro maintainer decided to update X11 without updating xmonad or contrib. all of which resulted in lots of crashing) |
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