| 2022-02-15 00:34:17 +0100 | <geekosaur> | oh also as I just pointed out in #haskell, lots of packagers work not from hackage but from stackage LTS, and stackage LTS has been stuck for several months and who knows when they'll make a new LTS |
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| 2022-02-15 07:56:10 +0100 | <Solid> | I don't think installing GHC via the package manager is really the problem |
| 2022-02-15 07:56:23 +0100 | <Solid> | but even for rust many people are recommending rustup over distro packages as well so... |
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| 2022-02-15 11:32:16 +0100 | <geekosaur> | this has been a thing ever since perl started recommending installing directly over the package manager. couple decades ago |
| 2022-02-15 11:35:27 +0100 | <unknownbeing[m]> | This has really made me aware that when getting into a new language, it's good to make sure that it has a solid ecosystem around it |
| 2022-02-15 11:35:40 +0100 | <unknownbeing[m]> | Like python, C and many others |
| 2022-02-15 11:36:02 +0100 | <unknownbeing[m]> | Even Lisp seems to have a pretty decent ecosystem |
| 2022-02-15 11:40:01 +0100 | <Solid> | haskell's ecosystem is pretty decent in my book |
| 2022-02-15 11:40:20 +0100 | <Solid> | just don't trust what package maintainers say or do :> |
| 2022-02-15 11:49:55 +0100 | <geekosaur> | remember that a package maintainer's first priority is making packaging easier and fitting it into their package ecosystem |
| 2022-02-15 11:50:09 +0100 | <geekosaur> | not what makes life easier for users of that ecosystem |
| 2022-02-15 11:55:30 +0100 | mc47 | (~mc47@xmonad/TheMC47) |
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| 2022-02-15 12:01:52 +0100 | <Profpatsch> | might I recommend nix :P |
| 2022-02-15 12:05:14 +0100 | <liskin> | no |
| 2022-02-15 12:06:12 +0100 | <Profpatsch> | aww |
| 2022-02-15 12:14:13 +0100 | <geekosaur> | duplicating largeish chunks of my existing OS is not an option on this small machine, and paving it over and installing nixos isn't either |
| 2022-02-15 12:20:19 +0100 | geekosaur | (~geekosaur@xmonad/geekosaur) (Remote host closed the connection) |
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| 2022-02-15 12:28:25 +0100 | <Profpatsch> | geekosaur: GHC is rather larg-ish you are right :) |
| 2022-02-15 12:29:24 +0100 | <Profpatsch> | I wonder how much of a low-hanging fruit these are, since gzipped GHC is like 200MB and extracted GHC is 2GB |
| 2022-02-15 12:29:42 +0100 | <Profpatsch> | So it’s only about 10% information |
| 2022-02-15 12:30:08 +0100 | <Profpatsch> | otoh modern file systems are starting to have on-the-fly compression, so who knows if that will be relevant in 10 years |
| 2022-02-15 12:32:56 +0100 | <Solid> | Profpatsch: nix the package manager is also shipping old versions of xmonad (because stackage) right now so... the only choice you have there is to install from source as well :> |
| 2022-02-15 12:33:53 +0100 | <Solid> | (granted, there is a flake, but I still fail to see the utility of that over just issuing `stack build` even on nixos, especially because using local versions of xmonad and xmonad-contrib to build one's config seems non-trivial with the former) |
| 2022-02-15 12:37:37 +0100 | <liskin> | Profpatsch: I still keep hearing horror stories of unrecoverable errors with btrfs :-/ |
| 2022-02-15 12:38:13 +0100 | <liskin> | almost started thinking about switching on the next opportunity (laptop/ssd replacement), but I'd like to have like a year or two without anyone around me having an issue with it |
| 2022-02-15 12:39:01 +0100 | <liskin> | I'd love copy on write and compression and subvolumes though |
| 2022-02-15 12:39:16 +0100 | geekosaur | wants zfs dammit |
| 2022-02-15 12:39:57 +0100 | <liskin> | btw I'm back to debugging xmobar's leak today |
| 2022-02-15 12:40:07 +0100 | <liskin> | hp2pretty has been running for the last 10 minutes :-D |
| 2022-02-15 12:43:18 +0100 | <liskin> | and now I got a 200M svg file, brilliant :-) |
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| 2022-02-15 13:04:47 +0100 | <Solid> | hah |
| 2022-02-15 13:05:07 +0100 | <geekosaur> | hp2ugly |
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| 2022-02-15 13:57:30 +0100 | <liskin> | hp2black actually :-) |
| 2022-02-15 13:58:00 +0100 | <liskin> | (no place for fill behind all that stroke) |
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| 2022-02-15 15:00:08 +0100 | <Profpatsch> | liskin: I think btrfs is a lost cause at this point, all manpower is in zfs and the new whatsitcalled |
| 2022-02-15 15:00:11 +0100 | <Profpatsch> | bcachefs? |
| 2022-02-15 15:07:23 +0100 | <liskin> | who develops zfs these days? Oracle? or is that a community project now? |
| 2022-02-15 15:07:56 +0100 | <geekosaur> | community project.freebsd contributes a lot, sinceit's their main filesystem these days |
| 2022-02-15 15:08:52 +0100 | <geekosaur> | main reason linux didn't adopt it is they want that oh so pure GPL licensing thing, but ZFS is BSD licensed |
| 2022-02-15 15:09:51 +0100 | <geekosaur> | or at least BSD compatible; I haven't checked details |
| 2022-02-15 15:10:03 +0100 | <liskin> | oh |
| 2022-02-15 15:10:28 +0100 | <geekosaur> | there's been ways to use zfs with linux for a decade |
| 2022-02-15 15:10:51 +0100 | <geekosaur> | but never accepted into the kernel for license reasons |
| 2022-02-15 15:11:04 +0100 | <Profpatsch> | geekosaur: I thought there was a libre reimpl in the kernel? |
| 2022-02-15 15:11:17 +0100 | <Profpatsch> | that is the de-facto standard now? |
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| 2022-02-15 15:55:38 +0100 | <Benzi-Junior> | Hey, I have a possibly ambitious (read, foolhardy) idea but was wondering if someone had done something like it before, is it possible to dedicate a workspace to a VM |
| 2022-02-15 15:57:24 +0100 | <geekosaur> | in what sense? |
| 2022-02-15 16:00:07 +0100 | <geekosaur> | we have TopicSpaces, for example |
| 2022-02-15 16:01:33 +0100 | <Benzi-Junior> | so I haven't really thought this all the way through, but something like, when Xmonad starts one of the workspaces has virt-viewer as its base window, |
| 2022-02-15 16:05:56 +0100 | <Benzi-Junior> | I haven't fully thought about how I want this to behave when it comes to controling inputs, and there may be an obvious reason for this being a terrible idea |
| 2022-02-15 16:06:28 +0100 | <Benzi-Junior> | because odds are I'm going to want to be runnig xmonad on the VM as well |
| 2022-02-15 16:13:00 +0100 | <liskin> | what works for me is just using fullscreen in virt-manager and then moving the mouse into the top minipanel whenever I need to press the keybinding to move to another desktop |
| 2022-02-15 16:13:16 +0100 | <liskin> | (moving the mouse releases the keyboard grab, iirc) |
| 2022-02-15 16:13:27 +0100 | cfricke | (~cfricke@user/cfricke) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) |
| 2022-02-15 16:16:01 +0100 | <geekosaur> | I think you need to come back when you have a better idea of what you want. So far it just sounds like https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmonad-contrib-0.17.0/docs/XMonad-Util-SpawnOnce.html#v:spawnO… (note that you need manageSpawn from XMonad.Actions.SpawnOn; this documentation oversight is fixed in git) |
| 2022-02-15 16:20:43 +0100 | <geekosaur> | when I was running on a machine with enough oomph to run vmware workstation, moving the mouse into the menubar was enough to release the grab. or even into the border, except I usually had the border disabled on that window |
| 2022-02-15 16:26:44 +0100 | <Benzi-Junior> | I think TopicSpaces might be pretty much what I'm looking for |
| 2022-02-15 16:30:06 +0100 | <geekosaur> | I think there's also an alternative to TopicSpaces these days? need to dig more |
| 2022-02-15 16:30:25 +0100 | <Solid> | there is, but I don't think it's as good |
| 2022-02-15 16:30:42 +0100 | <Solid> | DynamicProjects, AFAIR |
| 2022-02-15 16:33:35 +0100 | <geekosaur> | https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmonad-contrib-0.17.0/docs/XMonad-Actions-DynamicProjects.html |
| 2022-02-15 16:33:37 +0100 | <geekosaur> | yeh |
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| 2022-02-15 17:07:27 +0100 | nomadxx3 | (~lanomadx@69.167.36.212) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) |
| 2022-02-15 17:14:12 +0100 | <Benzi-Junior> | taffybar has a nasty habit of locking up my system |
| 2022-02-15 17:15:55 +0100 | nomadxx3 | (~lanomadx@69.167.42.96) |
| 2022-02-15 17:16:38 +0100 | <liskin> | https://store.lisk.in/tmp/xmobar.svg - so I guess it's valgrind time /o\ |
| 2022-02-15 17:17:11 +0100 | <geekosaur> | *wince* |
| 2022-02-15 17:18:06 +0100 | <Solid> | this looks to me like there's no memleak there at all? |
| 2022-02-15 17:19:48 +0100 | seschwar | (~seschwar@user/seschwar) |
| 2022-02-15 17:19:59 +0100 | <geekosaur> | btw what version of ghc? iirc 9.0.x accounts PINNED memory better |
| 2022-02-15 17:20:53 +0100 | <geekosaur> | which in particular means ByteStrings get accounted to their owners better |
| 2022-02-15 17:22:08 +0100 | <liskin> | 8.8.4 :-( |
| 2022-02-15 17:22:45 +0100 | <liskin> | Solid: yeah but it grows in ps aux |
| 2022-02-15 17:23:26 +0100 | <geekosaur> | mm, rts memleak? :( |
| 2022-02-15 17:25:37 +0100 | jludwig | (~justin@user/jludwig) (Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in) |
| 2022-02-15 17:26:30 +0100 | jludwig | (~justin@user/jludwig) |
| 2022-02-15 17:27:49 +0100 | <liskin> | sounds unlikely, probably just a leak in some ffi code or something, no? |
| 2022-02-15 17:28:10 +0100 | <liskin> | anyway, looks like I just shot myself in the foot in a very archlinux-haskelly-way |
| 2022-02-15 17:28:41 +0100 | <liskin> | I should probably tell my systemd to try rebuilding xmonad when it fails to load :-) |
| 2022-02-15 17:31:00 +0100 | <geekosaur> | heh |
| 2022-02-15 17:32:34 +0100 | <Solid> | :D |
| 2022-02-15 17:42:19 +0100 | mvk | (~mvk@2607:fea8:5cdc:bf00::99e7) |
| 2022-02-15 18:17:32 +0100 | sagax | (~sagax_nb@user/sagax) |
| 2022-02-15 19:00:30 +0100 | <liskin> | hm, good, I can reproduce the leak using xev as well |
| 2022-02-15 19:00:37 +0100 | <liskin> | so it's in xlib, not in xmobar |
| 2022-02-15 19:00:42 +0100 | <liskin> | fun |
| 2022-02-15 20:33:07 +0100 | ml| | (~ml|@user/ml/x-5298235) |
| 2022-02-15 21:00:04 +0100 | <Solid> | https://discourse.haskell.org/t/zurihac-2022-takes-place-11-13-june-registration-now-open/4111 what's the over-under on some of us wanting to meet there? |
| 2022-02-15 21:03:34 +0100 | <twiclo2> | https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php/Downgrading_packages |
| 2022-02-15 21:03:56 +0100 | <twiclo2> | This says I should be able to run pamac install downgrade but it's not working on my pinephone. Am I missing a repo? |
| 2022-02-15 21:04:59 +0100 | <twiclo2> | Woops wrong channel |
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| 2022-02-15 22:14:47 +0100 | <liskin> | Solid: yeah tentatively yes |
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