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| 2022-01-11 06:35:12 +0100 |  <AIM[m]>  | Xmobar doesn't have bluetooth yet? | 
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| 2022-01-11 10:17:36 +0100 | geekosaur | (~geekosaur@xmonad/geekosaur) (Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by allbery_b))) | 
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| 2022-01-11 13:01:42 +0100 | benin | (~benin@183.82.176.241) | 
| 2022-01-11 13:07:14 +0100 | lyiriyah[m] | (~lyiriyahm@2001:470:69fc:105::cc0) | 
| 2022-01-11 13:15:15 +0100 |  <lyiriyah[m]>  | <AIM[m]> "Xmobar doesn't have bluetooth..." <- You could use trayer in conjunction with `blueman-applet` | 
| 2022-01-11 13:16:13 +0100 | dschrempf | (~dominik@070-207.dynamic.dsl.fonira.net) | 
| 2022-01-11 13:16:35 +0100 |  <geekosaur>  | yeh, xmobar doesn't do well with things you want to interact with, only with things you want to see the status of | 
| 2022-01-11 13:19:06 +0100 |  <lyiriyah[m]>  | IIRC there was some way to add clickable buttons but trayer is much easier | 
| 2022-01-11 13:20:03 +0100 |  <geekosaur>  | and "clickable buttons" is kinda limited. you could turn bluetooth on/off but not, say, pair wth a new device. or connect to one | 
| 2022-01-11 13:21:21 +0100 | mc47 | (~mc47@xmonad/TheMC47) | 
| 2022-01-11 13:24:20 +0100 | dschrempf | (~dominik@070-207.dynamic.dsl.fonira.net) (Quit: WeeChat 3.3) | 
| 2022-01-11 13:28:35 +0100 |  <AIM[m]>  | <lyiriyah[m]> "You could use trayer in conjunct..." <- Ah | 
| 2022-01-11 13:29:13 +0100 |  <AIM[m]>  | <geekosaur> "yeh, xmobar doesn't do well with..." <- Like I'll be just happy to see the name of the bluetooth device connected to my PC | 
| 2022-01-11 13:29:22 +0100 |  <AIM[m]>  | I don't wanna like interact with it or anything through xmobar | 
| 2022-01-11 13:30:48 +0100 |  <geekosaur>  | we have specific support for trayer+xmobar, and some better support coming up | 
| 2022-01-11 13:31:14 +0100 | ishimi[m] | (~kasaneins@2001:470:69fc:105::1:66db) | 
| 2022-01-11 13:32:48 +0100 |  <AIM[m]>  | I'd love to see bluetooth in xmobar config... Like I don't want like any clickable functionality or any fancy feature, just the name of device I'm connected to | 
| 2022-01-11 13:32:58 +0100 |  <AIM[m]>  | That's all | 
| 2022-01-11 13:33:12 +0100 |  <AIM[m]>  | Idk how complex it is to implement it tho | 
| 2022-01-11 13:33:44 +0100 |  <geekosaur>  | https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/pull/643 has a nice auto-resizing thing for trayer+xmobar | 
| 2022-01-11 13:34:23 +0100 |  <geekosaur>  | not sure about its current state but development seems to have been idle for the past few months, possibly because it's pretty much ready to go as I read the PR comments | 
| 2022-01-11 13:34:47 +0100 |  <thonoht[m]>  | AIM[m]: If you have a script that prints this name, you can have xmobar call this script periodically and show the name. | 
| 2022-01-11 13:34:52 +0100 |  <geekosaur>  | "name of device" has some complexities, like you can be connected to more than one device | 
| 2022-01-11 13:36:45 +0100 |  <geekosaur>  | but I think liskin's the only one here who is also an xmobar dev (it's not ours) and he's sidelined by wrist problems | 
| 2022-01-11 13:50:53 +0100 |  <AIM[m]>  | <thonoht[m]> "If you have a script that prints..." <- Ohhh | 
| 2022-01-11 13:54:34 +0100 |  <thonoht[m]>  | E.g. I have a script that prints the cpu temperature, I add to .xmobarrc: | 
| 2022-01-11 13:54:34 +0100 |  <thonoht[m]>  | `, Run Com "/home/thonoht/.scripts/xmobar/ctemp.sh" [] "ctemp" 10` | 
| 2022-01-11 13:54:34 +0100 |  <thonoht[m]>  | and include it in the template like `%ctemp%` | 
| 2022-01-11 14:29:49 +0100 | mc47 | (~mc47@xmonad/TheMC47) (Remote host closed the connection) | 
| 2022-01-11 14:35:42 +0100 |  <lyiriyah[m]>  | Could probably do it with `bluetoothctl` and a few filters | 
| 2022-01-11 14:44:22 +0100 | catman | (~catman@user/catman) | 
| 2022-01-11 14:50:33 +0100 | mc47 | (~mc47@xmonad/TheMC47) | 
| 2022-01-11 15:08:25 +0100 |  <liskin>  | geekosaur: I'm not actually an xmobar dev, I just watch PRs and help review stuff whenever I feel like I can contribute something or when it's somehow relevant to xmonad | 
| 2022-01-11 15:08:52 +0100 |  <liskin>  | #643 is something I'd like to deal with in the near future | 
| 2022-01-11 15:09:41 +0100 |  <liskin>  | Seems like I can work with a wrist brace on, and staying away from the computer doesn't really make things any better so there's little point in continuing that practice :-/ | 
| 2022-01-11 15:10:36 +0100 |  <liskin>  | Later this week I should have another call from the physiotherapist at my GP and hopefully they'll give me a referral for some x-ray/ct/specialist or whatever | 
| 2022-01-11 15:38:46 +0100 | obimod | (~obimod@gateway/vpn/pia/obimod) | 
| 2022-01-11 15:51:14 +0100 | henninb | (~henninb@97-116-147-100.mpls.qwest.net) | 
| 2022-01-11 15:51:31 +0100 | henninb | (~henninb@97-116-147-100.mpls.qwest.net) (Client Quit) | 
| 2022-01-11 15:52:29 +0100 | henninb | (~henninb@97-116-147-100.mpls.qwest.net) | 
| 2022-01-11 15:56:41 +0100 |  <henninb>  | greetings, I have a question about xmonad functionality. if I spawnOnce slack(flatpak) in workspace 8 and spawnOnce allacrity in workspace 1, why does my starting workspace start at 8? | 
| 2022-01-11 15:57:53 +0100 |  <henninb>  | i don't think order matters because I have switched them and it doesn't make a difference. is there a way to "force" xmonad to start always "land on" workspace 1? | 
| 2022-01-11 16:20:55 +0100 | catman | (~catman@user/catman) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) | 
| 2022-01-11 16:37:21 +0100 |  <lyiriyah[m]>  | <henninb> "greetings, I have a question..." <- I assume this is in your startupHook? | 
| 2022-01-11 16:40:12 +0100 |  <lyiriyah[m]>  | henninb | 
| 2022-01-11 17:05:24 +0100 |  <henninb>  | lyiriyah[m] - i confirmed that it is in my startup hook. | 
| 2022-01-11 17:11:28 +0100 |  <Solid>  | spawnOnce shouldn't change your workspace at all; I'm having trouble seeing how you would start on ws 8 in the first place | 
| 2022-01-11 17:12:08 +0100 |  <Solid>  | but either way you could try something stupid like putting `windows $ W.view ws1` at the end of your startup hook (where ws1 is the name of the workspace you want to go to) | 
| 2022-01-11 17:13:51 +0100 | seschwar | (~seschwar@user/seschwar) | 
| 2022-01-11 17:14:20 +0100 | obimod | (~obimod@gateway/vpn/pia/obimod) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) | 
| 2022-01-11 17:15:03 +0100 | cfricke | (~cfricke@user/cfricke) (Quit: WeeChat 3.3) | 
| 2022-01-11 17:15:17 +0100 | obimod | (~obimod@gateway/vpn/pia/obimod) | 
| 2022-01-11 17:15:17 +0100 | obimod | (~obimod@gateway/vpn/pia/obimod) (Client Quit) | 
| 2022-01-11 17:15:52 +0100 |  <henninb>  | Solid, i agree with you and I don't know why either. thanks for the idea. | 
| 2022-01-11 17:16:42 +0100 |  <henninb>  | maybe because slack is an electron app and is holding the foreground somehow? | 
| 2022-01-11 17:17:27 +0100 |  <henninb>  | here is my code: https://github.com/henninb/dotfiles/blob/main/.xmonad/xmonad-default.hs | 
| 2022-01-11 17:21:14 +0100 |  <Solid>  | it's conceivable that slack immediately requests attention yeah (and with the current ewmh code I think we still jump on that asap) | 
| 2022-01-11 17:23:10 +0100 |  <henninb>  | that makes sense Solid, thanks for the workaround code snip. I think that will solve my problem. | 
| 2022-01-11 17:25:55 +0100 | henninb | (~henninb@97-116-147-100.mpls.qwest.net) (Quit: leaving) | 
| 2022-01-11 17:30:40 +0100 |  <liskin>  | yeah the default is to switch but the configurability is already in place so there's no real reason to switch the default | 
| 2022-01-11 17:35:31 +0100 | mc47 | (~mc47@xmonad/TheMC47) (Remote host closed the connection) | 
| 2022-01-11 17:39:48 +0100 |  <Solid>  | oh I thought the config part of it was part of the still-not-merged pr | 
| 2022-01-11 17:39:55 +0100 |  <Solid>  | good to know that it's already in | 
| 2022-01-11 17:46:30 +0100 |  <liskin>  | nope, the only point of that still-not-merged PR is to clean up the user interface and make all the EWMH stuff more modular/extensible | 
| 2022-01-11 17:46:44 +0100 |  <liskin>  | although it's somewhat questionable whether that's still worth it | 
| 2022-01-11 17:46:56 +0100 |  <liskin>  | for most people it'll just be a breaking change with little benefit | 
| 2022-01-11 17:47:54 +0100 |  <liskin>  | (breaking as in deprecation followed by maybe a removal a couple years down the road) | 
| 2022-01-11 17:49:30 +0100 |  <liskin>  | there is one thing which should be done: addition of (un)fullscreen hooks, similar to the activation hook | 
| 2022-01-11 17:49:57 +0100 |  <liskin>  | that would enable better/cleaner integration of X.L.Fullscreen and also possibly remembering tile/float state | 
| 2022-01-11 17:50:07 +0100 |  <liskin>  | but this can all be done within the existing codebase | 
| 2022-01-11 17:51:11 +0100 |  <liskin>  | is there btw any conference/hackathon earlier than ZuriHac in June? | 
| 2022-01-11 17:51:27 +0100 |  <Solid>  | not that I know of, at least | 
| 2022-01-11 17:53:11 +0100 |  <liskin>  | I also vaguely remember that in the still-not-merged PR I eventually intended to clean up Urgency stuff a bit so that some things don't need to go through xmonad sending a ClientMessage to itself, but it's very well possible there aren't any user-visible benefits of that either :-/ | 
| 2022-01-11 17:55:09 +0100 |  <liskin>  | anyway, I really have no idea when I'll be able to actually work on all this, so… this is just a braindump really | 
| 2022-01-11 17:55:58 +0100 |  <AIM[m]>  | > <@thonoht:matrix.org> E.g. I have a script that prints the cpu temperature, I add to .xmobarrc: | 
| 2022-01-11 17:55:58 +0100 |  <AIM[m]>  | > `, Run Com "/home/thonoht/.scripts/xmobar/ctemp.sh" [] "ctemp" 10` | 
| 2022-01-11 17:55:58 +0100 |  <AIM[m]>  | > and include it in the template like `%ctemp%` | 
| 2022-01-11 17:55:58 +0100 |  <AIM[m]>  | Isn't that already there? I use Run CoreTemp, which is already present in Xmobar. Most stuff I have as status are the ones inbuilt. | 
| 2022-01-11 17:56:00 +0100 |  <lambdabot>  |  <hint>:1:1: error: parse error on input ‘<@’ | 
| 2022-01-11 17:56:00 +0100 |  <lambdabot>  |  <hint>:1:1: error: parse error on input ‘`’ | 
| 2022-01-11 17:56:00 +0100 |  <lambdabot>  |  <hint>:1:16: error: parse error on input ‘in’ | 
| 2022-01-11 18:15:29 +0100 | jludwig | (~justin@user/jludwig) (Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in) | 
| 2022-01-11 19:02:13 +0100 | sogens | (~sogens@gateway/vpn/pia/sogens) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) | 
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| 2022-01-11 20:19:36 +0100 | steve__ | (~steve@ool-182c2b80.dyn.optonline.net) | 
| 2022-01-11 20:23:58 +0100 |  <geekosaur>  | Solid, henninb, I see browsers force workspace changes on startup, wouldn't surprise me if slack did too since it's a mini-browser | 
| 2022-01-11 20:29:50 +0100 | noex | (~null@user/noex) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) | 
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| 2022-01-11 20:39:28 +0100 | benin | (~benin@183.82.176.241) (Quit: The Lounge - https://thelounge.chat) | 
| 2022-01-11 20:43:16 +0100 | edun | (~e@user/edun) (Quit: Leaving.) | 
| 2022-01-11 20:49:02 +0100 |  <Solid>  | liskin: you ought to write some of these ideas down somewhere, then perhaps peope who have the energy/time can take stabs at them as well :P | 
| 2022-01-11 21:11:52 +0100 | noex | (~null@user/noex) (Remote host closed the connection) | 
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| 2022-01-11 22:20:20 +0100 | werneta | (~werneta@70-142-214-115.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) | 
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| 2022-01-11 23:12:44 +0100 |  <liskin>  | Solid: its somewhere in the comments office some open issues | 
| 2022-01-11 23:13:27 +0100 |  <liskin>  | But perhaps it'd be useful to have another project board to prioritize stuff for the next release or two | 
| 2022-01-11 23:13:47 +0100 |  <liskin>  | s/office/off/ | 
| 2022-01-11 23:13:56 +0100 |  <liskin>  | *of | 
| 2022-01-11 23:14:03 +0100 |  <geekosaur>  | https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad/projects?type=beta ? | 
| 2022-01-11 23:14:07 +0100 | liskin | has been drinking | 
| 2022-01-11 23:14:19 +0100 |  <geekosaur>  | and yes, it took some attempts at parsing to realize you'd done that :) | 
| 2022-01-11 23:15:08 +0100 |  <liskin>  | geekosaur: something like that. The board we used for 0.17 was an or-level board not just repo-level | 
| 2022-01-11 23:15:14 +0100 |  <liskin>  | *org | 
| 2022-01-11 23:15:27 +0100 |  <liskin>  | Crap, I should just go to bed :-D | 
| 2022-01-11 23:16:57 +0100 |  <geekosaur>  | mm, yes, now I see it has those too | 
| 2022-01-11 23:17:15 +0100 | geekosaur | also took the chance to pin xmonad and contrib repos on the org page | 
| 2022-01-11 23:17:35 +0100 | iMaaNor | (uid534642@id-534642.tinside.irccloud.com) (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) |