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2021-10-28 00:40:15 +0200 <liskin> Solid: looks like open collective has a cool new feature—we can request a virtual card valid for a single merchant (once it's used it can't be used anywhere else, ever), which seems useful for the domain fees for example
2021-10-28 00:40:49 +0200 <liskin> I love that they're making these things easier right when we need them
2021-10-28 00:54:24 +0200 <^[> Congrats on 0.17!
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2021-10-28 09:41:26 +0200 <mc47[m]> Thank you!
2021-10-28 09:46:03 +0200 <liskin> Solid: https://lists.x.org/archives/xorg-announce/2021-October/003115.html
2021-10-28 09:46:15 +0200 <liskin> It was indeed in the mod queue
2021-10-28 09:46:22 +0200 <liskin> :-D
2021-10-28 09:52:07 +0200 <Solid> liskin: :DD that's amazing
2021-10-28 09:52:59 +0200 <Solid> and yeah, we should probably approach Tony and offer to pay for the fees via that method
2021-10-28 09:53:37 +0200 <Solid> s/Tony/Toni/
2021-10-28 09:53:41 +0200 <Solid> oh we don't even have to wait
2021-10-28 09:53:44 +0200 <Solid> eyenx: ^ :)
2021-10-28 09:55:56 +0200 <Solid> liskin: r.e. HN thread: that looks surprisingly uplifting; I'd definitely be willing to give people money in order to maintain xorg
2021-10-28 09:57:08 +0200 <liskin> Solid: As in yourself or that we should redirect some of xmonad donations towards that?
2021-10-28 09:57:19 +0200dschrempf(~dominik@070-207.dynamic.dsl.fonira.net)
2021-10-28 09:57:30 +0200 <liskin> (I have no idea what I think about that right now)
2021-10-28 09:59:41 +0200 <Solid> I was speaking for myself, yes
2021-10-28 09:59:41 +0200dschrempf(~dominik@070-207.dynamic.dsl.fonira.net) (Client Quit)
2021-10-28 10:00:11 +0200 <Solid> though I don't have the idea of redirecting some of xmonad's donations towards the bigger goal
2021-10-28 10:00:16 +0200 <Solid> s/have/hate/
2021-10-28 10:09:37 +0200 <liskin> hm, I think I don't hate the idea either, I'm just somewhat concerned that doing so involves quite a lot of transaction fees and that our sponsors might not approve of that waste
2021-10-28 10:09:59 +0200 <liskin> but then anything involving money involves a lot of fees
2021-10-28 10:10:23 +0200 <liskin> github org to org sponsor fees are nothing compared to taxes :-D
2021-10-28 10:10:52 +0200gruntsplatter(~sogens@gateway/vpn/pia/sogens)
2021-10-28 10:16:04 +0200 <Solid> mh you're probably right with that
2021-10-28 10:17:34 +0200allbery_b(~geekosaur@xmonad/geekosaur)
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2021-10-28 10:17:37 +0200allbery_bgeekosaur
2021-10-28 10:40:11 +0200 <FOSSHuman[m]> I have been trying out Wayland on my hardware (Nvidia GPU) for the past couple of days and it seems Nvidia hasn't got their shit together yet with Wayland
2021-10-28 10:40:25 +0200 <FOSSHuman[m]> I keep experiencing strange bugs in KDE Wayland etc..
2021-10-28 10:40:28 +0200 <FOSSHuman[m]> Very annoying
2021-10-28 10:40:39 +0200 <FOSSHuman[m]> * in KDE on Wayland etc..
2021-10-28 10:41:04 +0200alternateved(~user@staticline-31-183-149-3.toya.net.pl)
2021-10-28 10:41:57 +0200 <FOSSHuman[m]> But I do like how Wayland works and the cool things that can be done with it, it also feels faster than Xorg when using KDE
2021-10-28 11:00:08 +0200MarkJames[m](~thingsmar@2001:470:69fc:105::1:3b1) (Quit: You have been kicked for being idle)
2021-10-28 11:13:30 +0200FOSS_Human(~lol111@user/foss-human/x-0231813)
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2021-10-28 11:19:30 +0200liskinjust sent a mail to DT
2021-10-28 11:19:34 +0200 <liskin> almost forgot about this yesterday
2021-10-28 11:34:39 +0200dschrempf(~dominik@070-207.dynamic.dsl.fonira.net)
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2021-10-28 11:45:30 +0200 <alternateved> liskin: so you did it after all
2021-10-28 11:45:49 +0200 <alternateved> did you manage to keep a distance?
2021-10-28 11:52:21 +0200 <liskin> alternateved: well I never said I wouldn't send the mail, I just acknowledged there might be controversy if _we_ signal boost _him_ :-)
2021-10-28 11:52:36 +0200 <liskin> it's a bit unfair to say it this way though :-/
2021-10-28 11:59:57 +0200 <Solid> who's to say he doesn't start a video with "so the xmonad people reached out to me and..."
2021-10-28 12:02:09 +0200 <alternateved> liskin: yeah, I was just curious how you are going to do that
2021-10-28 12:02:43 +0200 <alternateved> I wonder how it will go now with him : D
2021-10-28 12:05:39 +0200 <liskin> Solid: I hope it's not _that_ controversial :-)
2021-10-28 12:06:48 +0200 <liskin> alternateved: I just sent a mail saying we have a release and that we'd appreciate a signal boost
2021-10-28 12:06:56 +0200 <alternateved> Oh, I see. : )
2021-10-28 12:26:50 +0200 <Arcanus[m]> Nice
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2021-10-28 13:38:43 +0200 <Solid> liskin: we should probably redo the stack configuration now so that it's actually usable for people outside of the CI again
2021-10-28 13:41:47 +0200 <FOSSHuman[m]> Wait... Is 0.17 released???
2021-10-28 13:42:10 +0200 <FOSSHuman[m]> I might switch back to my distros packaging version of XMonad if that's the case..
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2021-10-28 13:43:24 +0200 <FOSSHuman[m]> nvm, I've deleted the 2 messages above this message for those on IRC
2021-10-28 13:44:06 +0200 <FOSSHuman[m]> * this message (saying this for those, * on IRC)
2021-10-28 13:48:26 +0200 <Solid> FOSSHuman[m]: it was released yesterday, yes :)
2021-10-28 13:48:36 +0200 <Solid> https://xmonad.org/news/2021/10/27/xmonad-0-17-0.html
2021-10-28 13:50:30 +0200 <FOSSHuman[m]> Solid: Very nice! I wonder when Arch upstream will be on the updated version
2021-10-28 13:50:48 +0200 <FOSSHuman[m]> `community/xmonad 0.15-149
2021-10-28 13:50:48 +0200 <FOSSHuman[m]> Lightweight X11 tiled window manager written in Haskell`
2021-10-28 13:51:26 +0200 <FOSSHuman[m]> https://archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/xmonad/
2021-10-28 13:51:33 +0200 <FOSSHuman[m]> Still on 0.15
2021-10-28 13:51:34 +0200 <FOSSHuman[m]> ?
2021-10-28 13:51:39 +0200 <geekosaur> worrisome that they didn't even pick up 0.16
2021-10-28 13:52:05 +0200 <geekosaur> they've had 2 years
2021-10-28 13:53:59 +0200 <liskin> geekosaur: they did: https://archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/xmonad-contrib/
2021-10-28 13:54:04 +0200 <Solid> geekosaur: xmonad 0.15 ;)
2021-10-28 13:54:48 +0200 <liskin> Solid: yeah it's somewhere in my todos
2021-10-28 13:55:08 +0200 <geekosaur> I guess the core didn't change enough, yeh
2021-10-28 13:55:17 +0200 <Solid> the core didn't have a 0.16 at all :D
2021-10-28 13:55:54 +0200 <Solid> (we skipped that in order to have version parity again, which I personally find quite pleasing)
2021-10-28 13:55:56 +0200 <geekosaur> oh? guess I missed that
2021-10-28 13:56:05 +0200 <liskin> Solid: although my primary motivation was to reenable testing against released core, didn't really expect people to actually use that stack.yaml :-)
2021-10-28 13:56:41 +0200 <Solid> liskin: I do when I pull PRs locally and want to test them
2021-10-28 13:56:54 +0200 <Solid> it's nice not having to fuss around with making ghcid or hls behave
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2021-10-28 14:45:56 +0200 <liskin> I see. As long as you don't care about the resolver it probably works.
2021-10-28 14:46:17 +0200qbt(~qbt@user/edun) (Quit: Leaving.)
2021-10-28 14:47:31 +0200 <liskin> But then I wonder what exactly is wrong with the current stack.yaml... (I mean, not saying there's nothing, but I need to know what so that I can fix it properly)
2021-10-28 14:55:21 +0200 <Solid> okay admittedly I do care about the resolver but it doesn't seem to work even disregarding that
2021-10-28 14:55:24 +0200a6a45081-2b83(~aditya@pal-210-106-60.itap.purdue.edu)
2021-10-28 14:56:06 +0200 <Solid> I get http://ix.io/3Da3 which greatly confuses me because xmonad HEAD is definitely not on that version number
2021-10-28 14:57:01 +0200 <geekosaur> mmm, right, at some point I should update everything
2021-10-28 14:57:27 +0200 <geekosaur> wonder how hard it'll be to move my weird statusbar setup away from DynamicLog
2021-10-28 14:59:12 +0200 <liskin> Solid: it's because stack caches it keyed by the url
2021-10-28 14:59:25 +0200 <liskin> So it uses the first version it's seen
2021-10-28 15:00:20 +0200 <liskin> Good, this isn't anything unexpected, so hardcoding released versions will be fine, which is what I planned
2021-10-28 15:02:01 +0200 <liskin> And I'll try not to touch the resolver then. I might have been tempted to bump it otherwise (for no benefit to me or the CI), so I won't :-)
2021-10-28 15:03:16 +0200 <Solid> liskin: bump away, I'm just upgrading everything to 8.10.7 actually :)
2021-10-28 15:05:26 +0200 <geekosaur> hrm, I'm clearly doing something wrong. just got "Already up to date" from xmonad-contrib
2021-10-28 15:07:04 +0200sdk(~sdk@user/sdk)
2021-10-28 15:07:06 +0200 <Solid> pulling from your personal fork rather than xmonad/xmonad-contrib?
2021-10-28 15:07:07 +0200 <geekosaur> oh right, it's pulling from mine
2021-10-28 15:07:18 +0200 <liskin> Solid: okay :-)
2021-10-28 15:07:52 +0200 <liskin> I wonder when, or if, 8.10 comes to Debian
2021-10-28 15:08:01 +0200 <liskin> Anyway, siesta time
2021-10-28 15:09:00 +0200mc47(~mc47@xmonad/TheMC47)
2021-10-28 15:09:33 +0200 <geekosaur> here goes nothing…
2021-10-28 15:12:09 +0200qbt(~qbt@user/edun)
2021-10-28 15:17:24 +0200 <geekosaur> yay, updated
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2021-10-28 16:26:24 +0200 <sdk> Does xmonad have a binary space partitioning layout?
2021-10-28 16:28:29 +0200 <geekosaur> https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmonad-contrib-0.17.0/docs/XMonad-Layout-BinarySpacePartition.…
2021-10-28 16:34:13 +0200alternateved(~user@staticline-31-183-149-3.toya.net.pl)
2021-10-28 16:35:08 +0200 <Solid> radical thought: what use does X.D.Configuring have at this point?
2021-10-28 16:37:53 +0200 <geekosaur> not much, as long as we have the tutorial to replace it. might deprecate it with a pointer thereto
2021-10-28 16:38:17 +0200 <geekosaur> same might go for X.D.Extending
2021-10-28 16:39:22 +0200 <geekosaur> and at that point, might as well go all the way and promote (some variant of) X.D.Developing to top level
2021-10-28 16:39:48 +0200 <Solid> X.D.Extending could still have its uses as supplemental material to the tutorial (explaining all the namespaces and such)
2021-10-28 16:40:07 +0200 <Solid> X.D.Configuring still talks about the breaking change for xmonad v0.5 x)
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2021-10-28 17:52:12 +0200 <Solid> mh you're probably right, I started rewriting the keybinding parts of X.D.Extending and it just turned into a "how do I write my own additionalKeys", which is perhaps on the edge of belonging in X.D.Developing
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2021-10-28 20:04:41 +0200 <liskin> geekosaur: would you happen to remember if xmonad ever got updated in an existing Stackage LTS version?
2021-10-28 20:05:53 +0200 <liskin> is that something we should ask for on the basis of a) xmonad having somewhat weird versioning; and b) xmonad not really being an end-user app rather than a library with an API worth keeping stable?
2021-10-28 20:06:05 +0200 <liskin> s/not //
2021-10-28 20:09:41 +0200 <geekosaur> I have no real idea since I don't use stack
2021-10-28 20:12:02 +0200 <geekosaur> xmonad is actually in a weird place since it is in fact both end user app and library API which we do try to keep stable
2021-10-28 20:14:16 +0200 <geekosaur> looks like they updated the LTS resolver 4 days ago, so we just missed it
2021-10-28 20:14:36 +0200 <Solid> it usually gets updated once every two weeks or so
2021-10-28 20:14:36 +0200 <geekosaur> xmonad 0.15, xmonad-contrib 0.16
2021-10-28 20:24:38 +0200 <geekosaur> mm, we're also out of the nightly but that's not surprising because we have at least 9.0 build fix in 0.17
2021-10-28 20:25:00 +0200 <geekosaur> so the question will be whether they re-add us or we need to be explicitly re-added
2021-10-28 20:25:24 +0200 <geekosaur> (nightly uses ghc 9.0.1)
2021-10-28 20:25:33 +0200 <geekosaur> *at least one
2021-10-28 20:47:30 +0200 <liskin> I'm going to deal with the nightly after dinner
2021-10-28 20:47:42 +0200 <liskin> (in the middle of it already)
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2021-10-28 22:12:56 +0200 <sdk> <geekosaur> "https://hackage.haskell.org/..." <- It hasn't received an update since 2016. Do you know if it still work with the newest version of xmonad?
2021-10-28 22:13:56 +0200 <geekosaur> people actively use it
2021-10-28 22:14:10 +0200 <geekosaur> including with git xmonad
2021-10-28 22:14:28 +0200 <sdk> Good. Thank you 🙂
2021-10-28 22:47:09 +0200 <liskin> today's balance: $828.16 \o/
2021-10-28 22:48:51 +0200 <liskin> (the reaction to the release itself has been underwhelming, though)
2021-10-28 22:49:13 +0200 <liskin> perhaps everyone who cared switched to git already :-)
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