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2021-10-27 01:37:46 +0200 <liskin> Solid: so… shall I create a repo or enable discussions somewhere (I'd probably make a repo for them anyway) or something?
2021-10-27 01:39:14 +0200 <liskin> going to bed now, but the plan is to have everything ready (ppPrinters merged, xmonad-web#40 rebased) by tomorrow noon
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2021-10-27 08:05:53 +0200 <Solid> liskin: I think I'm ultimately leaning more towards the side of the issue/discussions
2021-10-27 08:06:07 +0200 <Solid> simply because it's easier to get an overview of work that's already been submitted
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2021-10-27 10:40:04 +0200mc47(~mc47@xmonad/TheMC47)
2021-10-27 10:40:39 +0200 <mc47> I agree with Solid, let's go with something that has the least overhead
2021-10-27 10:51:00 +0200ElKowar(~ElKowar@srv-fin.xware-gmbh.de)
2021-10-27 10:51:48 +0200 <ElKowar> Hey, before I start looking through all existing layouts - is there already a module that let's you somehow center a window on screen if there is only a single window? I have that layout modifier and I guess I should just PR that to contrib if it doesn't exist already
2021-10-27 10:52:10 +0200 <ElKowar> usecase is pretty much having single windows be centered on screen on an ultrawide, making it a bit more comfy to use than if the windows are at the very left of the screen
2021-10-27 10:57:55 +0200 <liskin> Solid, mc47: okay and separate repo or xmonad repo?
2021-10-27 10:58:47 +0200 <liskin> ElKowar: the default Tall layout does that, doesn't it? I mean, a fullscreen window is centered, right? :-)
2021-10-27 10:59:10 +0200 <ElKowar> https://thelounge.elkowar.de/uploads/8a9aca533c473a07/image.png I'm talking about this
2021-10-27 10:59:12 +0200 <mc47> ElKowar I can achieve something similar with FixedAspectRatio and just the Tall layyout
2021-10-27 10:59:31 +0200 <ElKowar> Once there's more than one window it goes to normal operation of whatever layout it's modifying
2021-10-27 10:59:46 +0200 <mc47> liskin I tend for a seperate repo
2021-10-27 10:59:47 +0200 <Solid> there is CenteredMaster (I have never used it, I just know it exists) which does this all the time; I guess it would be nice (if possible) to have something like `centerMasterUpTo n`, where n is the total number of windows
2021-10-27 11:00:49 +0200 <Solid> liskin: it would perhaps look a bit weird to have a separate repo with one issue/discussion
2021-10-27 11:01:02 +0200 <Solid> if we really confine it to that space I think having it in the xmonad repo is fine
2021-10-27 11:01:02 +0200 <alternateved> Isn't CenteredMaster just put master window on top of other windows?
2021-10-27 11:01:09 +0200 <liskin> Hm, I'd expect that combining IfMax with some Gaps should result in what ElKowar is trying to achieve
2021-10-27 11:01:32 +0200 <ElKowar> https://thelounge.elkowar.de/uploads/4e0b36b8099b8a73/image.png I mean, I have this ^^ have been using it for months now - question is is it worth a PR
2021-10-27 11:01:52 +0200 <Solid> alternateved: it floats it in the middle on top of other windows (at least acrording to docs), which is what I'm seeing from the pictures
2021-10-27 11:02:01 +0200 <alternateved> I know that someone is working on the same thing ElKowar
2021-10-27 11:02:16 +0200 <ElKowar> I guess if it floats in the middle and you'd be able to say "only do this up to n windows" that'd be mostly equivalent, yea
2021-10-27 11:02:30 +0200 <alternateved> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmVVkr_fYb8
2021-10-27 11:02:46 +0200 <alternateved> Funny thing, someone just made something similar
2021-10-27 11:03:08 +0200 <ElKowar> ohh so that's like a fixed layout thing, right? that's also pretty cool
2021-10-27 11:03:40 +0200 <alternateved> Yeah, he's also thinking on PR in regards to that.
2021-10-27 11:04:14 +0200 <alternateved> Reason for that layout for him was that widescreen with existing layouts is not that great.
2021-10-27 11:04:24 +0200 <Solid> both of these sound pretty neat---I hope at least one will make it to contrib in some way :D
2021-10-27 11:04:33 +0200 <ElKowar> I guess his module seems a bit more powerful than mine - so if the API doesn't make it significantly more complex to implement a basic "center if single window, otherwise no" thing, that'd be preferrable
2021-10-27 11:05:05 +0200 <ElKowar> are they on here? I'd want to avoid PRing mine if there will soon be a PR that makes it obsolete
2021-10-27 11:05:21 +0200 <alternateved> Okay, I let him know. He already knows that some people really like this idea.
2021-10-27 11:06:03 +0200 <ElKowar> ok, nice! I'll wait with my PR then
2021-10-27 11:06:04 +0200 <Solid> (maybe try getting them on IRC/matrix so that more collaboration can ensue in the future :))
2021-10-27 11:06:13 +0200 <ElKowar> that'd be great ^^
2021-10-27 11:06:31 +0200 <liskin> ElKowar: your layoutmodifier looks really simple though, I kind of love it
2021-10-27 11:07:02 +0200 <ElKowar> it really is, https://thelounge.elkowar.de/uploads/3973e54223f8ab81/image.png this is the whole code
2021-10-27 11:07:09 +0200 <alternateved> Solid: I might try that.
2021-10-27 11:07:13 +0200 <liskin> so maybe submit it anyway and we can then deprecate it in favor of a more general one if that ever appears?
2021-10-27 11:07:51 +0200 <ElKowar> sure, I guess if ebn is not gonna be PRing that in the near future submitting mine might be worth it
2021-10-27 11:08:08 +0200 <liskin> although now the code looks like it doesn't alter the height, so mc47's fixedaspect should already work
2021-10-27 11:08:22 +0200 <alternateved> If you do this now, send me a link and I'll pass it to ebn
2021-10-27 11:08:34 +0200 <liskin> but the fixedaspect thing is manual whereas this one is automatic, so not really :-/
2021-10-27 11:09:02 +0200 <ElKowar> I'll just submit it, then this discussion can take place in the PR, where it's a bit more accessible ^^
2021-10-27 11:09:21 +0200 <liskin> well anyway, today is (very likely) release day, so my brain doesn't really have capacity for this :-)
2021-10-27 11:09:27 +0200 <ElKowar> hypeeeeeeeeeeeeee
2021-10-27 11:09:37 +0200 <alternateved> Amazing
2021-10-27 11:09:48 +0200 <liskin> Solid: re no separate repo, okay, shall I leave enabling discussions to you or do you want help with that?
2021-10-27 11:13:13 +0200 <alternateved> Do you have a new logo already?
2021-10-27 11:13:41 +0200 <liskin> no, we're going to announce a logo contest in the release announcement
2021-10-27 11:13:43 +0200 <Solid> liskin: It seems to be a few clicks, so I think I'll manage :)
2021-10-27 11:13:55 +0200 <alternateved> Ah, I see.
2021-10-27 11:14:08 +0200 <liskin> Solid: :-)
2021-10-27 11:14:35 +0200 <liskin> Solid: (you'd probably need me for the new repo because of org permissions, that's where my question was coming from probably)
2021-10-27 11:14:44 +0200 <Solid> ah I see
2021-10-27 11:15:47 +0200 <Solid> liskin: I suppose I can drop the commits that add --drafts to the Makefile?
2021-10-27 11:17:21 +0200 <liskin> Solid: I'd leave it there
2021-10-27 11:17:41 +0200 <liskin> this has no effect on the gh-pages deploy and it'll always be useful for local drafting
2021-10-27 11:17:47 +0200 <Solid> ok sure
2021-10-27 11:44:27 +0200 <ElKowar> Ohh the doc stuff has changed, do I now no longer add my module to XMonad.Docs.Extending? is there some other place to add it, or has that just been removed (or am i overlooking something in there)
2021-10-27 11:45:25 +0200 <mc47> Just CHANGES.md
2021-10-27 11:45:56 +0200 <ElKowar> then done! https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/pull/634
2021-10-27 11:49:29 +0200 <Solid> Yeah since all modules have descriptions now we get a nicely browsabl list for free ( https://xmonad.github.io/xmonad-docs/ ) and don't need X.D.Extending
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2021-10-27 11:52:01 +0200 <alternateved> Thanks for the link ElKowar!
2021-10-27 11:56:43 +0200 <Solid> mc47, liskin: https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad/discussions/343
2021-10-27 11:56:55 +0200 <Solid> (feel free to tweak the message in any way you see fit)
2021-10-27 11:57:15 +0200 <mc47> That's awesome! Thank you
2021-10-27 12:03:00 +0200liskindidn't realize until now how ugly en-dash is in DejaVu Sans: https://store.lisk.in/tmp/2021-10-27_11-02.png
2021-10-27 12:03:40 +0200 <Solid> yeah it's really horrible
2021-10-27 12:04:09 +0200 <Solid> but I just can't bring myself to using a normal dash
2021-10-27 12:04:25 +0200 <Solid> (and -- is a bit too plain texty for markdown, imo :))
2021-10-27 12:06:46 +0200 <liskin> it's the kerning being worse than usual especially with 7 and 2 :-)
2021-10-27 12:07:08 +0200 <liskin> and the iso date with dashes makes this extra painful
2021-10-27 12:08:14 +0200 <Solid> do feel free to change this to a saner date format, I just couldn't decide and so I went with ISO as the goto standard
2021-10-27 12:09:57 +0200 <liskin> if I knew what to do with it I would have ;-)
2021-10-27 12:10:13 +0200 <liskin> iso is the best format, en dash is the correct dash
2021-10-27 12:10:47 +0200 <liskin> I'll let my brain work on it in the background I guess :-D
2021-10-27 12:12:28 +0200 <Solid> :)
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2021-10-27 12:44:10 +0200 <L29Ah> terminus-font
2021-10-27 12:44:14 +0200L29Ahhides
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2021-10-27 12:54:07 +0200 <Solid> what? :D
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2021-10-27 14:42:49 +0200 <Solid> https://zfoh.ch/zurihac2022/
2021-10-27 14:43:25 +0200 <Solid> this might be something we could try and raise enough money to cover travel costs to
2021-10-27 14:45:00 +0200 <liskin> For those of us in Europe we probably already have enough :-)
2021-10-27 14:45:41 +0200 <L29Ah> is covid planned to get under control in the next ten months?
2021-10-27 14:48:10 +0200 <liskin> It was somewhat under control the past two Junes already. It's not a completely unreasonable bet the next June will be fine, imo.
2021-10-27 14:55:40 +0200 <Solid> yeah I'm not sure how many people go to ZuriHac normally, but an event with ~500 people sounds totally doable in June
2021-10-27 14:56:08 +0200 <Solid> (Heck, the Frankfurt Book Fair was held just a few days ago with a drastically reduced capacity... only 25k people this time :))
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2021-10-27 15:04:39 +0200 <beastwick> hi, i am using dynamicworkspaces, is there a documented way to increase the font size for the workspace prompt?
2021-10-27 15:05:40 +0200 <Solid> you can supply your own font to the prompt, there you also have control over the sie
2021-10-27 15:05:44 +0200 <Solid> s/sie/size/
2021-10-27 15:06:39 +0200 <geekosaur> look at the XPConfig argument to various things, the font is the first thing in an XPConfig
2021-10-27 15:08:47 +0200 <geekosaur> myPrompt = def {font = whatever} -- then use myPrompt instead of def in the various dynamic workspace calls that take an XPConfig
2021-10-27 15:13:03 +0200 <beastwick> i am using https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmonad-contrib-0.13/docs/XMonad-Actions-DynamicWorkspaces.html as reference, this doesn't mention XPConfig, do I need to supply this to each keybinding?
2021-10-27 15:13:21 +0200 <geekosaur> you're really on 0.13?
2021-10-27 15:13:43 +0200 <beastwick> not sure, i just googled for xmonad documentation, let me check
2021-10-27 15:13:48 +0200 <Solid> (probably not)
2021-10-27 15:13:56 +0200 <Solid> beastwick: which function do you use, exactly?
2021-10-27 15:13:59 +0200 <geekosaur> but I see XPConfig named as a parameter to a number of things (see for example addWorkspacePrompt)
2021-10-27 15:14:00 +0200 <beastwick> I am on 0.15
2021-10-27 15:14:27 +0200 <geekosaur> anything which uses a prompt should take an XPConfig
2021-10-27 15:14:31 +0200 <beastwick> ah, yes I see the param
2021-10-27 15:14:31 +0200 <Solid> yes
2021-10-27 15:14:40 +0200 <beastwick> ok, i'll give it a shot, tyvm :)
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2021-10-27 15:45:50 +0200 <beastwick> geekosaur ty worked
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2021-10-27 17:31:26 +0200ebn(~user@h-46-59-90-141.A463.priv.bahnhof.se)
2021-10-27 17:33:57 +0200 <ebn> Hello o/
2021-10-27 17:34:37 +0200 <Solid> hi!
2021-10-27 17:35:02 +0200 <alternateved> Hello ebn
2021-10-27 17:36:18 +0200 <alternateved> I see I've lured you here successfully : D
2021-10-27 17:39:25 +0200 <ebn> Yes :D
2021-10-27 17:45:32 +0200 <liskin> Solid, mc47[m]: are we okay postponing #342 post-release? I'd be up for some bikeshedding there but don't think now's the right time :-D
2021-10-27 17:46:07 +0200 <themc47> I was going to suggest that
2021-10-27 17:46:16 +0200 <themc47> oh
2021-10-27 17:46:20 +0200 <themc47> wrong nick
2021-10-27 17:46:21 +0200 <Solid> liskin: are you not expecting 50 new pull requests about 5 minutes after the release hits? :>
2021-10-27 17:46:25 +0200 <Solid> but yes, totally
2021-10-27 17:46:31 +0200themc47mc47
2021-10-27 17:46:55 +0200 <liskin> Solid: oh, of course I am, I'll push the xmonad-testing part right away :-)
2021-10-27 17:47:08 +0200 <Solid> hahahaha
2021-10-27 17:47:12 +0200 <liskin> not kidding.
2021-10-27 17:47:14 +0200 <liskin> :-]
2021-10-27 17:47:16 +0200 <Solid> :)
2021-10-27 17:48:48 +0200 <Solid> btw, https://xorg.freedesktop.org/archive/individual/xserver/xorg-server-21.1.0.tar.xz exists so... guess it's really only a matter of time now
2021-10-27 17:53:44 +0200 <liskin> yeah, let's do this
2021-10-27 17:55:13 +0200 <geekosaur> weeee
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2021-10-27 17:58:22 +0200 <liskin> I'll do the version bumps and xmonad-docs regen
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2021-10-27 18:01:40 +0200 <Solid> the plain text version of the release ann should be up to date
2021-10-27 18:01:53 +0200 <mc47> let's go \o/
2021-10-27 18:02:07 +0200 <Solid> just need to think what to do with the link to the xorg release
2021-10-27 18:02:26 +0200 <liskin> hm, good thing the release is today, GitHub disabled the xmonad-docs scheduled workflow because nobody touched the repo for 2 months
2021-10-27 18:02:38 +0200 <liskin> I'll need to think of a way to have those things work forever
2021-10-27 18:02:41 +0200 <geekosaur> heh
2021-10-27 18:02:42 +0200 <liskin> (later)
2021-10-27 18:03:31 +0200 <liskin> Solid: there's a chance the link becomes valid before we're done
2021-10-27 18:03:40 +0200 <liskin> or we can be BOLD and just post it anyway
2021-10-27 18:03:52 +0200 <Solid> oh it's just sequential numbering
2021-10-27 18:03:54 +0200 <Solid> gotcha
2021-10-27 18:03:57 +0200liskincan't hide his excitement anymore
2021-10-27 18:05:08 +0200 <liskin> Solid: are you going to be the one who sends the plaintext announcements? are you a subscriber to haskell-cafe?
2021-10-27 18:05:21 +0200 <Solid> I am yes
2021-10-27 18:05:24 +0200 <liskin> mailman moderates mail from non-subscribers
2021-10-27 18:05:29 +0200 <liskin> bit me a couple times in the past
2021-10-27 18:05:37 +0200 <Solid> actually, let me check the mail with which I'm subbed
2021-10-27 18:05:45 +0200 <liskin> (because I read that stuff via NNTP)
2021-10-27 18:05:46 +0200dschrempf(~dominik@070-207.dynamic.dsl.fonira.net)
2021-10-27 18:06:05 +0200 <geekosaur> I could send them, where are they?
2021-10-27 18:06:07 +0200 <L29Ah> liskin: how's NNTP these days? what client are you using?
2021-10-27 18:06:36 +0200 <liskin> L29Ah: neomutt, it's terrible :-)
2021-10-27 18:06:51 +0200 <Solid> ah yeah, I'm subbed to the haskell cafe with my real name
2021-10-27 18:07:16 +0200 <liskin> L29Ah: gmane is only nntp these days, and I have no idea who runs it or what
2021-10-27 18:07:26 +0200 <liskin> L29Ah: but it seems to be maintained, new groups are being added
2021-10-27 18:07:48 +0200 <liskin> so better than having mail delivered to my procmail I guess :-D
2021-10-27 18:07:59 +0200 <L29Ah> gmane is a kludge for email; what about native groups?
2021-10-27 18:08:09 +0200L29Ahhas fetchmail feeding neomutt
2021-10-27 18:08:35 +0200 <liskin> L29Ah: native groups as in usenet? I've never really used any
2021-10-27 18:08:46 +0200 <Solid> geekosaur: sure, it's what's hidden in this comment: https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-web/pull/40#issuecomment-952603428
2021-10-27 18:09:08 +0200 <liskin> L29Ah: nntp.lore.kernel.org works fine, too
2021-10-27 18:09:11 +0200 <Solid> stay tuned for any last minute changes :P
2021-10-27 18:09:31 +0200 <geekosaur> okay
2021-10-27 18:11:32 +0200 <geekosaur> ok, yeh I saw that go past in the email notification
2021-10-27 18:11:51 +0200 <geekosaur> looks better on github, none of this doulespaced business
2021-10-27 18:12:44 +0200 <Solid> well I would hope it does look good as an email as well :D
2021-10-27 18:14:53 +0200 <Solid> (perhaps we should try this first, to make sure there are no encoding issues and similar things)
2021-10-27 18:15:50 +0200 <liskin> yep, any testing mail coming my way will be checked thoroughly ;-)
2021-10-27 18:16:55 +0200 <liskin> https://lwn.net/Articles/874152/
2021-10-27 18:17:07 +0200 <Solid> \o/
2021-10-27 18:17:49 +0200 <liskin> but the link doesn't work yet
2021-10-27 18:18:02 +0200 <Solid> yeah the archive does not seem to have picked up on it yet
2021-10-27 18:18:03 +0200 <liskin> how does corbet do this
2021-10-27 18:18:15 +0200 <liskin> I knew it's gonna come and he beat me to it :-D
2021-10-27 18:18:26 +0200 <liskin> and I didn't get the email even though I'm subscribed to xorg-announce
2021-10-27 18:18:30 +0200 <Solid> lol
2021-10-27 18:19:18 +0200 <liskin> so… do we link to lwn?
2021-10-27 18:19:28 +0200 <Solid> [oh
2021-10-27 18:19:30 +0200 <Solid> liskin: https://lists.x.org/archives/xorg/2021-October/060799.html
2021-10-27 18:19:38 +0200 <Solid> it was posted to the xorg list
2021-10-27 18:20:22 +0200 <liskin> oh that looks as if Povilas isn't subscribed to xorg-announce and is waiting in the mod queue
2021-10-27 18:20:32 +0200 <liskin> that'd be funny
2021-10-27 18:20:40 +0200 <Solid> hahaha
2021-10-27 18:21:33 +0200 <geekosaur> so gmail spellcheck just spotted a "npick up the pace" in the release announcement
2021-10-27 18:21:47 +0200 <geekosaur> (I just edited it in the mail I'm composing)
2021-10-27 18:22:48 +0200 <geekosaur> the test cometh
2021-10-27 18:25:59 +0200 <liskin> hm, gmail seems to linewrap the links
2021-10-27 18:26:14 +0200 <liskin> which is especially silly for the indented ones like [more composable interface]:
2021-10-27 18:27:11 +0200 <geekosaur> hrm, and I even told it not to / switched to plain text mode
2021-10-27 18:27:11 +0200 <Solid> yeah the footnotes should be one line each and I would link to https://lists.x.org/archives/xorg/2021-October/060799.html in [final X.Org Server 21.1 release]:
2021-10-27 18:27:21 +0200 <Solid> other than that it looks fine to me
2021-10-27 18:28:33 +0200 <Solid> oh, I suppose I should move the markdown announcement from _drafts :)
2021-10-27 18:28:34 +0200 <mc47> same
2021-10-27 18:29:09 +0200 <liskin> Solid: once you do ping me, I'll deploy to my fork and linkcheck
2021-10-27 18:29:26 +0200 <liskin> and in the meantime I'll release to hackage
2021-10-27 18:33:40 +0200 <Solid> geekosaur: another small typo: "acessible" in the X.U.Hacks bullet
2021-10-27 18:34:14 +0200 <geekosaur> ok, preparing the actual announcement now, will fix that as well
2021-10-27 18:35:06 +0200 <Solid> liskin: should be done
2021-10-27 18:37:28 +0200 <liskin> uff, I forgot to add the api keys for hackage, so some of you may have gotten an action run failure mail :-)
2021-10-27 18:37:30 +0200 <geekosaur> don't think I can fix the line wrapping, I did widen the compose window so they're not wrapped on my screen but it may still reformat them :(
2021-10-27 18:38:47 +0200 <geekosaur> aaaand she's on the way
2021-10-27 18:41:28 +0200 <Solid> aaaaaaand it's here
2021-10-27 18:41:47 +0200 <liskin> hm, hackage gives me 400, fuck :-/
2021-10-27 18:42:15 +0200 <liskin> time to do it manually I guess :-/
2021-10-27 18:42:49 +0200 <mc47> should we update the website too?
2021-10-27 18:43:16 +0200 <liskin> mc47: merging the announcement is all that'll be needed
2021-10-27 18:43:31 +0200 <liskin> but only once it's released to hackage
2021-10-27 18:44:43 +0200 <geekosaur> now I wonder if I should have held off until you got hackage to cooperate
2021-10-27 18:44:50 +0200 <liskin> definitely should have
2021-10-27 18:45:08 +0200 <liskin> we're not anywhere near that stage in the checklist
2021-10-27 18:46:12 +0200 <geekosaur> sorry
2021-10-27 18:47:52 +0200 <Solid> ah the cafe is low-freq anyways, it'll be fine
2021-10-27 18:48:05 +0200dschrempf(~dominik@070-207.dynamic.dsl.fonira.net) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2021-10-27 18:50:43 +0200 <liskin> Hm, so it only went to cafe but not xmonad@h.o yet?
2021-10-27 18:51:26 +0200 <geekosaur> didn't send it to xmonad@, should probably do so
2021-10-27 18:51:41 +0200 <geekosaur> although I will this time wait until told it's ok :)
2021-10-27 18:51:47 +0200 <liskin> okay :-)
2021-10-27 18:52:12 +0200liskinstill trying to release to hackage, but it should go through this time hopefully
2021-10-27 18:52:31 +0200 <liskin> oh, actually not
2021-10-27 18:52:34 +0200 <liskin> oh my
2021-10-27 18:53:33 +0200 <geekosaur> uh?
2021-10-27 18:53:39 +0200 <liskin> fighting with cabal
2021-10-27 18:53:42 +0200 <liskin> will take a while, sorry
2021-10-27 18:54:03 +0200 <liskin> we should've done the pre-release :-)
2021-10-27 18:54:52 +0200 <geekosaur> sounds like it
2021-10-27 18:55:09 +0200 <geekosaur> this went more smoothly last time we did a release :(
2021-10-27 19:07:03 +0200 <Solid> wouldn't be a *real* release if everything went smoothly :P
2021-10-27 19:07:34 +0200 <liskin> hm, activity-chart uri changed :-/
2021-10-27 19:07:34 +0200amenonsen(~amenonsen@pitta.toroid.org) (Remote host closed the connection)
2021-10-27 19:07:44 +0200 <liskin> I guess it's symlink time at this point
2021-10-27 19:07:46 +0200 <Solid> argh
2021-10-27 19:07:47 +0200 <liskin> (I'll do it)
2021-10-27 19:07:56 +0200 <Solid> <3
2021-10-27 19:08:57 +0200amenonsen(~amenonsen@pitta.toroid.org)
2021-10-27 19:09:47 +0200 <Solid> mh weird I didn't even move it when rebasing
2021-10-27 19:13:46 +0200 <liskin> xmonad is up on hackage, xmonad-contrib eta 10 minutes
2021-10-27 19:14:16 +0200 <alternateved> <3
2021-10-27 19:14:32 +0200 <mc47> Let's go \o/ \o/
2021-10-27 19:15:36 +0200 <liskin> linkcheck complains about missing v0.17.0 tag in xmonad-contrib (expected) and unreachable kiwiirc (unexpected, but fuck it)
2021-10-27 19:15:53 +0200 <geekosaur> with my luck the network here will go out just as we reach that point
2021-10-27 19:16:36 +0200 <Solid> where would we link to kiwiirc in contrib Oo
2021-10-27 19:16:52 +0200 <liskin> Solid: linkcheck against xmonad-web:0.17-release deployed to my fork
2021-10-27 19:17:01 +0200 <Solid> oh
2021-10-27 19:17:09 +0200 <geekosaur> probably the irc community foo
2021-10-27 19:17:25 +0200 <Solid> it's in the tutorial
2021-10-27 19:17:29 +0200 <Solid> we still link to the kiwiirc libera chat
2021-10-27 19:17:34 +0200 <liskin> and community maybe?
2021-10-27 19:17:57 +0200 <liskin> oh, just tutorial
2021-10-27 19:18:02 +0200 <Solid> [webchat]: should be https://web.libera.chat/#xmonad
2021-10-27 19:18:04 +0200 <Solid> community is correct
2021-10-27 19:18:16 +0200 <Solid> so that's a fix for xmonad
2021-10-27 19:18:36 +0200 <liskin> right, feel free to push that any time you feel like it
2021-10-27 19:18:51 +0200 <liskin> xmonad is tagged and released
2021-10-27 19:19:00 +0200 <Solid> sure, I'll get on it
2021-10-27 19:21:18 +0200 <liskin> github actions is quite flaky lately :-/
2021-10-27 19:22:00 +0200 <Solid> yeah we've had lots of weird infra failures today
2021-10-27 19:22:20 +0200 <liskin> anyway xmonad-contrib candidate is on its way to hackage in 3 minutes
2021-10-27 19:22:27 +0200 <liskin> and then another like 5 for the final
2021-10-27 19:23:41 +0200 <Solid> kiwiirc link is fixed
2021-10-27 19:32:28 +0200 <liskin> xmonad-contrib is up on hackage
2021-10-27 19:32:37 +0200 <liskin> merging announcement to xmonad-web
2021-10-27 19:34:08 +0200 <geekosaur> bleh, I see from my sent mail folder that it wrapped lines again
2021-10-27 19:34:11 +0200 <geekosaur> gmail sux
2021-10-27 19:34:19 +0200 <liskin> that was to be expected
2021-10-27 19:34:37 +0200 <liskin> anyway, it's time to send the mail announcement now :-)
2021-10-27 19:34:54 +0200 <Solid> geekosaur: I can post it to the xmonad ml
2021-10-27 19:35:01 +0200 <geekosaur> ok
2021-10-27 19:35:04 +0200 <Solid> let's hope emacs doesn't wrap lines :)
2021-10-27 19:36:52 +0200liskinposting to reddit
2021-10-27 19:36:58 +0200 <mc47> :D
2021-10-27 19:37:28 +0200 <Solid> went out, I hope
2021-10-27 19:38:04 +0200 <liskin> announcement to discourse, I suggest that we only post the intro and then link to the rest
2021-10-27 19:38:20 +0200 <liskin> yep, got the mail from xmonad@h.o, looks okay
2021-10-27 19:39:00 +0200 <liskin> (mutt wraps it anyway :-))
2021-10-27 19:39:23 +0200 <Solid> ah but at least you can see it's one line :>
2021-10-27 19:39:47 +0200 <liskin> you're overestimating my mutt configuration :-))
2021-10-27 19:40:05 +0200 <Solid> hahahaha
2021-10-27 19:40:08 +0200 <Solid> fair enough
2021-10-27 19:40:34 +0200 <liskin> 19:38:04 <liskin> announcement to discourse, I suggest that we only post the intro and then link to the rest
2021-10-27 19:41:07 +0200 <liskin> oh, sponsors are coming already, good :-)
2021-10-27 19:46:12 +0200 <liskin> https://discourse.haskell.org/t/xmonad-and-xmonad-contrib-0-17-0-are-available/3509
2021-10-27 19:46:44 +0200 <mc47> liskin, cross-post on r/haskell=
2021-10-27 19:46:46 +0200 <mc47> ?
2021-10-27 19:46:57 +0200 <liskin> mc47: oh yeah, cross-post everywhere!
2021-10-27 19:47:05 +0200 <liskin> r/linux, …
2021-10-27 19:47:11 +0200 <liskin> will you or shall I?
2021-10-27 19:47:47 +0200 <mc47> as you like
2021-10-27 19:47:49 +0200 <mc47> go ahead
2021-10-27 19:48:05 +0200 <liskin> okay :-)
2021-10-27 19:49:48 +0200 <liskin> done
2021-10-27 19:50:11 +0200 <mc47> nice! Good job everyone
2021-10-27 19:51:36 +0200 <liskin> indeed, thanks!
2021-10-27 19:51:43 +0200 <liskin> I want to get drunk now
2021-10-27 19:55:18 +0200 <mc47> well deserved :D
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2021-10-27 20:09:14 +0200 <Solid> very nice :)
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2021-10-27 20:48:11 +0200 <M-elo-[m]> liskin: out of curiosity since you mentioned that the PR's submitted by Ivan would be included in v0.17 back in August (or September?), when should we be expecting the release of v0.18? (don't tell me 3 years mate..)
2021-10-27 20:48:35 +0200 <geekosaur> we're trying to avoid repeating that
2021-10-27 20:48:40 +0200 <M-elo-[m]> s/liskin: out of curiosity since you mentioned that the PR's submitted by Ivan would be included in v0.17 back in August (or September?), when should we be expecting the release of v0.18? (don't tell me 3 years mate..)/liskin: out of curiosity since you mentioned that the PR's submitted by `X.L.ConditionalLayoutModifier` & `X.L.Magnifier` would be included in v0.17 back in August (or September?), when should we be expecting the release of
2021-10-27 20:48:41 +0200 <M-elo-[m]> v0.18? (don't tell me 3 years mate..)/
2021-10-27 20:48:55 +0200 <M-elo-[m]> s/liskin: out of curiosity since you mentioned that the PR's submitted by Ivan would be included in v0.17 back in August (or September?), when should we be expecting the release of v0.18? (don't tell me 3 years mate..)/liskin: out of curiosity since you mentioned that the PR's, `X.L.ConditionalLayoutModifier` & `X.L.Magnifier`, would be included in v0.17 back in August (or September?), when should we be expecting the release of v0.18? (don't
2021-10-27 20:48:55 +0200 <M-elo-[m]> tell me 3 years mate..)/
2021-10-27 20:49:03 +0200 <M-elo-[m]> And the answer to that was?
2021-10-27 20:49:31 +0200 <M-elo-[m]> I cannot search in element so you have to tolerate me asking
2021-10-27 20:50:04 +0200 <Solid> M-elo-[m]: we're aiming for more frequent releases
2021-10-27 20:50:13 +0200 <M-elo-[m]> Glad to hear that!
2021-10-27 20:50:18 +0200 <Solid> depending on how things shape up it might even be included in 0.17.1
2021-10-27 20:50:23 +0200 <geekosaur> I figured you were in element because we got a bunch of unreadable edits
2021-10-27 20:50:26 +0200 <Solid> (which is also a thing now)
2021-10-27 20:50:38 +0200 <geekosaur> (please don't do that)
2021-10-27 20:50:48 +0200 <M-elo-[m]> Wonderful!
2021-10-27 20:50:56 +0200 <geekosaur> uh, I mean edits, not 0.17.1
2021-10-27 20:51:03 +0200 <M-elo-[m]> geekosaur: Hmm
2021-10-27 20:51:18 +0200 <M-elo-[m]> Well, it keeps mentioning a weird error which I will have a look at one day
2021-10-27 20:51:49 +0200 <M-elo-[m]> Another question, have you/will you ever consider creating a hydra build for both repos?
2021-10-27 20:51:53 +0200 <geekosaur> edits straight up do not work on the irc side of things
2021-10-27 20:52:00 +0200 <M-elo-[m]> s/hydra/cachix/, s/build/repo/, s/repos/xmonad and xmonad-contrib/
2021-10-27 20:52:12 +0200 <M-elo-[m]> geekosaur: Oh shit.. sorry. Was not aware of the troubles
2021-10-27 20:52:19 +0200 <M-elo-[m]> Will try to reduce them as much as possible
2021-10-27 20:52:59 +0200 <Solid> M-elo-[m]: http://ix.io/3D5N to give you a taste :)
2021-10-27 20:53:45 +0200 <M-elo-[m]> Yeah that looks terrible.. will keep it in mind!
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2021-10-27 21:09:48 +0200thunderrd(~thunderrd@183.182.111.169)
2021-10-27 21:19:05 +0200 <liskin> M-elo-[m]: I said it then and I'll say it again: there is one sure way to accelerate that PR—work on it. Anyone can do that. You. Ivan. Me. Anyone.
2021-10-27 21:19:44 +0200 <liskin> I think it's now in the 0.18 milestone, which is preceded by 0.17.1, which means I personally may have other priorities. Those priorities can of course be influenced somehow, but… I can't help feeling the ball isn't in my court with this one.
2021-10-27 21:22:51 +0200 <M-elo-[m]> <liskin> "-(𝕂eloτ)-: I said it then and I..." <- Well, it's waiting for your input judging from the last comment you wrote in that PR.
2021-10-27 21:23:19 +0200 <liskin> M-elo-[m]: is it? just so we're clear, which PR are we talking about exactly?
2021-10-27 21:23:33 +0200 <M-elo-[m]> liskin: I don't mind it as long as the PR won't take 3 years :)
2021-10-27 21:23:38 +0200 <M-elo-[m]> ConditionalLayout
2021-10-27 21:24:08 +0200 <geekosaur> we really do want to speed things up
2021-10-27 21:24:12 +0200dschrempf(~dominik@070-207.dynamic.dsl.fonira.net)
2021-10-27 21:24:23 +0200 <liskin> M-elo-[m]: oh, well, I guess my last comment can be interpreted that way
2021-10-27 21:24:29 +0200 <liskin> M-elo-[m]: it's certainly not what I meant, though
2021-10-27 21:24:32 +0200 <geekosaur> that said, we've said that before and I think it ended up taking another 6 months after that to actually release
2021-10-27 21:25:15 +0200 <liskin> M-elo-[m]: I think Ivan's implementation isn't good, I suggested a better implementation, I posted a prototype, and I expected Ivan to take that prototype and polish it into something that can be merged
2021-10-27 21:25:31 +0200 <liskin> M-elo-[m]: and yes, I did say that should that not happen, I will eventually do it
2021-10-27 21:25:41 +0200 <liskin> we all know what eventually means in this context.
2021-10-27 21:25:56 +0200 <M-elo-[m]> liskin: That part I was not aware of, I guess now I am
2021-10-27 21:26:46 +0200 <M-elo-[m]> liskin: We do appreciate your contribution obviously, I just misunderstood your intentions
2021-10-27 21:27:06 +0200 <M-elo-[m]> <del>obviously</del> that being said
2021-10-27 21:27:14 +0200 <liskin> okay, cool.
2021-10-27 21:27:14 +0200 <M-elo-[m]> for our dear IRC folks :)
2021-10-27 21:34:30 +0200 <liskin> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29017498 gives an interesting background information about the Xorg release happening
2021-10-27 21:34:57 +0200 <liskin> I guess it's in our best interest to signal boost that? :-)
2021-10-27 21:35:47 +0200geekosaurdoes a quick chekc for any existing hexchat addons that process matrix edits… looks like nope :(
2021-10-27 21:36:21 +0200 <M-elo-[m]> Why not use matrix? 🤔
2021-10-27 21:36:28 +0200 <M-elo-[m]> client*
2021-10-27 21:37:29 +0200 <geekosaur> because my browser is already overloaded and I see no point in running ewhat amounts to a second browser with a bad ui
2021-10-27 21:37:37 +0200 <liskin> virgin element chad weechat, is how I'd put it :-)
2021-10-27 21:38:18 +0200 <geekosaur> possibly I'll look into weechat at some point but I was under the impression its matrix support was fairly buggy
2021-10-27 21:38:35 +0200 <liskin> yes it's absolute crap
2021-10-27 21:39:25 +0200 <liskin> but as an IRC client, weechat is better than element in every way I care about
2021-10-27 21:40:05 +0200 <liskin> (I do use a separate weechat instance as a Matrix client, because it's still a bit better than element, but I wouldn't dare to recommend that to anyone)
2021-10-27 21:43:39 +0200 <M-elo-[m]> <liskin> "virgin element chad weechat..." <- was about to recommend weechat just now
2021-10-27 21:43:49 +0200 <M-elo-[m]> It always confuses people with wechat though.. wish they would change their username
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2021-10-27 21:44:57 +0200 <M-elo-[m]> I would simply recommend people fractal for simple matrix usage, no edits + calling/video or other features many deem useful
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