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2021-10-21 02:27:07 +0000 <jakefromstatefar> same :)
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2021-10-21 03:16:52 +0000jakefromstatefaruploaded an image: (61KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/jupiterbroadcasting.com/OjLwcMckrOOnjIqAKLQeTSWy… >
2021-10-21 03:17:10 +0000 <jakefromstatefar> Getting the ball rolling ^
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2021-10-21 03:34:20 +0000 <jakefromstatefar> > If you want, you can pass along my email to the Xmonad guys (derek @at distrotube.com). That way they can keep me in the loop with there new release.
2021-10-21 03:34:22 +0000 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:12: error: parse error on input ‘,’
2021-10-21 03:34:45 +0000 <jakefromstatefar> Alright, he's on board. 👍️
2021-10-21 05:04:00 +0000mvk(~mvk@2607:fea8:5cc1:300::4b63)
2021-10-21 05:56:06 +0000Solidis still not sure what to think about that guy
2021-10-21 06:27:48 +0000 <Solid> liskin: do you know where the short descrition at the start of the haddock page comes from ( https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmonad-contrib )? We need to change this from X.D.Extending to xmonad-docs as well
2021-10-21 06:27:56 +0000 <Solid> s/haddock/hackage/
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2021-10-21 07:21:33 +0000 <liskin> jakefromstatefar: cool, thanks
2021-10-21 07:21:44 +0000 <liskin> Solid: xmonad-contrib.cabal
2021-10-21 07:22:24 +0000 <Solid> ah I see
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2021-10-21 09:06:53 +0000 <liskin> Solid: do you need to "think about that guy"? :-)
2021-10-21 09:18:59 +0000 <Solid> well, "no" if it's just some guy who makes videos about xmonad; "yes" if it's someone that we officially approach in some way
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2021-10-21 09:44:06 +0000 <liskin> oh, that makes sense; if he says "xmonad asked me to …" and we say "thanks DT for helping us to …", that might make any potential hate transitively apply to us
2021-10-21 09:45:01 +0000 <liskin> (speaking in very general terms, I'm neither good nor keen to navigate the waters of hate)
2021-10-21 09:46:37 +0000 <liskin> (I did notice, though, that distrotoot happens to be one of the blocked mastodon instances on octodon.social, where one friend of mine is, but then octodon does seem to be quite trigger-happy with blocks… :-))
2021-10-21 09:46:55 +0000 <liskin> enough of this nonsense though, there are READMEs to be polished!
2021-10-21 09:46:57 +0000 <liskin> :-D
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2021-10-21 14:06:12 +0000 <FOSSHuman[m]> Have any of you guys watched any of DT's videos?, his videos helped me greatly when I was a beginner in XMonad (still am)..
2021-10-21 14:06:28 +0000 <FOSSHuman[m]> He even explains everything in his config in one video..
2021-10-21 14:07:21 +0000 <FOSSHuman[m]> I mainly watched him to just get a sense of what XMonad was and what is possible with it...
2021-10-21 14:13:15 +0000 <FOSSHuman[m]> I think he still uses the older (non-git) version of XMonad and XMonad-Contrib though
2021-10-21 14:18:00 +0000 <liskin> FOSSHuman[m]: https://youtu.be/va-UFNDv08M?t=246 is an example of something that may relay transitive hate our way
2021-10-21 14:19:08 +0000 <liskin> the Haskell community has managed to largely stay away from these issues, but it's a risk
2021-10-21 14:20:38 +0000 <liskin> (transitive hate normally being called guilt by association, but we can use the proper mathematical terms here, right? :-))
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2021-10-21 14:48:08 +0000 <Solid> MrElendig once called him the "fox news of the *nix world" which seems accurate enough from what I've seen of the guy
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2021-10-21 14:55:19 +0000 <qbt> i found several of his linux-vids to be quite uninformed, as for his political takes--he sure talks alot about it for being so against politics in the community...
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2021-10-21 15:08:35 +0000liskinhasn't seen enough content to go as far, and, having placed myself quite firmly in the center of the technopolitical scale, can kind of empathize with one feeling the need to denounce either of the extremes, but usually knows better to not comment (so I promise to myself to not say anything more than this)
2021-10-21 15:34:56 +0000 <mc47> liskin: should we make ?-> a top-level function?
2021-10-21 15:35:30 +0000 <geekosaur> hm, doesn't it need composeOne?
2021-10-21 15:36:03 +0000 <geekosaur> or am I confused about what you're asking?
2021-10-21 15:36:38 +0000 <mc47> I'm talking about the ppPrinters
2021-10-21 15:36:59 +0000 <mc47> cond ?-> ppr = (asks cond >>= guard) $> ppr pp
2021-10-21 15:39:49 +0000 <liskin> Dunno, try it and see what the pp param ends up looking like
2021-10-21 15:45:51 +0000 <mc47> fallbackPritners would look a bit more verbose, but copiesPP would avoid redefining the function
2021-10-21 15:45:58 +0000 <mc47> I'll write the docs first
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2021-10-21 16:20:01 +0000 <liskin> mc47: cool, then the only question is do we like the name? :-)
2021-10-21 16:21:01 +0000 <mc47[m]> Oh
2021-10-21 16:21:26 +0000 <mc47[m]> I'll think of something, but I don't have nothing against it
2021-10-21 16:21:57 +0000 <geekosaur> I already pointed to one potential problem
2021-10-21 16:22:39 +0000 <geekosaur> hm, no, that one puts the ? in the wrong place. still, it's confusing
2021-10-21 16:22:52 +0000 <geekosaur> (ManageHelpers composeOne uses -?>)
2021-10-21 16:23:26 +0000 <geekosaur> something naming something something hardest problem something
2021-10-21 16:41:42 +0000 <alternateved> I am curious, is there any reason that lineNavigation is the default navigation in X.A.Navigation2D module?
2021-10-21 16:43:44 +0000 <alternateved> Seems that with the default lineNavigation, movement between master and two slaves windows gets stuck
2021-10-21 16:45:52 +0000 <geekosaur> "Line navigation and Side navigation feel rather natural but may make it impossible to navigate to a given window from the current window, particularly in the floating layer. Center navigation feels less natural in certain situations but ensures that all windows can be reached without the need to involve the mouse."
2021-10-21 16:46:27 +0000 <geekosaur> there's also a paper presenting the details of the navigation strategies: http://www.cs.dal.ca/~nzeh/xmonad/Navigation2D.pdf
2021-10-21 16:46:47 +0000 <geekosaur> (I just verified it's not a dead link)
2021-10-21 16:46:53 +0000 <alternateved> Whoa, what
2021-10-21 16:48:15 +0000 <Solid> alternateved: lineNavigation shouldn't get stuck in that situation (judging solely from its docs)
2021-10-21 16:48:38 +0000 <Solid> it might if you have gaps (we had that situation here a while ago)
2021-10-21 16:48:49 +0000 <alternateved> I would need to test it once again, since I stopped using it.
2021-10-21 16:49:05 +0000 <alternateved> But yeah, with gaps (created by Spacing) I had that issue.
2021-10-21 16:49:39 +0000 <Solid> the docs mention sideNavigation is being more intuitive for X.L.Spacing stuff
2021-10-21 16:50:00 +0000 <alternateved> Ah, I see. So I guess that is my bias.
2021-10-21 16:50:37 +0000 <Solid> to be fair, one does have to look at the docs of the individual strategies
2021-10-21 16:51:25 +0000 <Solid> (and while I think that that module has excellent documentation, a quick list of all the strategies and their uses at the top level may be nice)
2021-10-21 16:51:50 +0000 <alternateved> I guess explicit mention of the lineNavigation not working so well with Spacing would be good
2021-10-21 16:51:55 +0000 <geekosaur> there's already a list at the top, it just doesn't really say when to use them
2021-10-21 16:52:39 +0000 <geekosaur> and maybe instead of italics they should be links to the specific strategies
2021-10-21 17:02:00 +0000 <geekosaur> ok, filed an issue. whether we want to address it for 0.17 given the short time we have is another question
2021-10-21 17:06:01 +0000 <alternateved> Oh, didn't expect that! Thanks.
2021-10-21 17:07:40 +0000 <geekosaur> good docs are always a good thing. Navigation2D is one of the better ones, but there is clearly room for improvement
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2021-10-21 18:20:16 +0000 <Solid> liskin: how come some people get that ugly github.noreply email when they merge something and others do not?
2021-10-21 18:21:04 +0000 <geekosaur> depends on whether github can associate your email address with your github identity, I think
2021-10-21 18:21:38 +0000 <geekosaur> so I get mail for everything except actions I take
2021-10-21 18:35:32 +0000 <liskin> Solid: not sure but probably a privacy setting?
2021-10-21 18:36:20 +0000 <geekosaur> you can also unsubscribe from emails about a repo
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2021-10-21 18:48:14 +0000 <Solid> oh indeed it seems to be privacy settings
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2021-10-21 20:14:43 +0000 <mc47> I think we could merge #605 this weekend
2021-10-21 20:15:14 +0000 <mc47> (I only have a small concern and a medium concern, and I need someone to proof-read the docs because I'm half asleep)
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2021-10-21 21:32:49 +0000 <liskin> mc47: I'm half asleep too (and half drunk), but I'll try to think about your concerns tomorrow :-)
2021-10-21 21:35:53 +0000 <geekosaur> did you document your concerns somewhere? or do I have to reload the whole discussion instead of just the docs diffs? (which seem ok to me)
2021-10-21 21:36:24 +0000geekosaurhas been watching a europa league whiparound all afternoon :)
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2021-10-21 22:20:04 +0000 <eqw> Hello. My xmobar is now behind any windows and thus invisible and almost useless. This problem didn't exist until today. Restart of X doesn't help. What else can I do?
2021-10-21 22:20:45 +0000 <geekosaur> sounds like you lost avoidStruts somewhere in your layoutHook
2021-10-21 22:21:23 +0000mestre(~mestre@191.177.175.57)
2021-10-21 22:22:08 +0000 <geekosaur> since that's what forces windows to resize around the status bar
2021-10-21 22:22:23 +0000 <eqw> but I didn't touch my ~/.xmonad/xmobar.hs since 2017
2021-10-21 22:23:28 +0000 <eqw> and neither I touched ~/.xmonad/xmonad.hs since 2020
2021-10-21 22:24:02 +0000 <geekosaur> conceivably you took an update that changed things, although it'd have had to be really delayed for it to be one of the xmonad changes that affected this
2021-10-21 22:24:46 +0000 <geekosaur> might have been an xmobar update, I think they changed the interaction between override_redirect and lowerOnStart?
2021-10-21 22:25:10 +0000 <geekosaur> sadly liskin's the one who knows xmobar but I think he gave up and went to bed
2021-10-21 22:30:14 +0000 <liskin> I wanted to, but haven't managed to go yet :-)
2021-10-21 22:30:33 +0000 <eqw> so neither xmonad nor xmobar store on disk any info between runs?
2021-10-21 22:30:55 +0000 <liskin> eqw: if you haven't changed config, what did you change? did you upgrade anything?
2021-10-21 22:31:01 +0000 <liskin> or perhaps downgrade? :-)
2021-10-21 22:31:30 +0000 <eqw> liskin: nothing, i believe
2021-10-21 22:32:04 +0000 <liskin> xmonad stores state, but restarting X clears that, so it's as if it didn't
2021-10-21 22:32:42 +0000 <geekosaur> xmonad and xmobar only store their configs. there's some information xmonad passes between running instances during mod-q but if that's sticking around it's a bug
2021-10-21 22:32:54 +0000 <geekosaur> that said you might see if mod-shift-space changes anything
2021-10-21 22:33:05 +0000 <geekosaur> (this will reset layouts)
2021-10-21 22:34:15 +0000 <liskin> I don't think there were changes in xmobar around override_redirect/lowerOnStart lately, it's been that way for ages
2021-10-21 22:34:24 +0000 <eqw> the screen is blinking when i press mod-shift-space. I mean, I see xmobar for a part of second.
2021-10-21 22:34:56 +0000 <geekosaur> yes, it forces a refresh. but this sounds like the layout is broken, then
2021-10-21 22:35:30 +0000 <liskin> and xmonad's handling of this was touched lately, but not in a way that would need config changes, or break it; more the other way around, we made it more tolerant of misconfigurations and fixed bugs
2021-10-21 22:36:01 +0000 <liskin> so the only scenario I can think of that would explain this is eqm upgrading from xmonad 0.11 to xmonad 0.13/0.15 or something :-)
2021-10-21 22:36:21 +0000 <liskin> *eqw I mean
2021-10-21 22:38:04 +0000 <liskin> (and if that's what happened, the solution is to either use "docks" instead of "docksEventHook", or to upgrade to the current git master, which makes "docksEventHook" alone work again)
2021-10-21 22:38:25 +0000 <geekosaur> might be worth seeing your config to see if there are bugs in it (or bugs in xmonad that it uncovers)
2021-10-21 22:38:27 +0000 <eqw> I upgraded my ubuntu from 16.04 to 20.04, but it took place about year ago
2021-10-21 22:38:32 +0000 <geekosaur> @where paste
2021-10-21 22:39:01 +0000 <liskin> eqw: an update of ubuntu doesn't force xmonad to recompile, though
2021-10-21 22:39:12 +0000 <liskin> so it's possible you were running an old binary
2021-10-21 22:39:20 +0000 <liskin> and then something forced it to rebuild today
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2021-10-21 22:40:58 +0000 <eqw> when the problem appeared I removed the binaries in ~/.xmonad as the had mtime 2021-10-21
2021-10-21 22:41:18 +0000 <eqw> https://termbin.com/0ust is my xmonad.hs
2021-10-21 22:41:22 +0000 <liskin> and ubuntu 16.04 was released before xmonad 0.13, so this seems close to the explanation I had in mind
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2021-10-21 22:41:35 +0000 <liskin> 2021-10-21 is today, so that indeed suggests it recompiled today for some reason
2021-10-21 22:42:18 +0000 <liskin> oh, right, you have neither docksEventHook nor docksStartupHook there
2021-10-21 22:42:43 +0000 <liskin> that's indeed a config that should be broken since 0.12-ish
2021-10-21 22:43:08 +0000 <liskin> https://xmonad.github.io/xmonad-docs/xmonad-contrib-0.16.999/XMonad-Hooks-ManageDocks.html
2021-10-21 22:43:15 +0000 <liskin> main = xmonad $ … . docks . … $ def{…}
2021-10-21 22:43:37 +0000 <liskin> in your case just main = xmonad $ docks $ def
2021-10-21 22:45:21 +0000 <eqw> that helped, thank you!
2021-10-21 22:45:28 +0000 <liskin> good
2021-10-21 22:45:35 +0000 <liskin> and good night, this time for real :-)
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2021-10-21 22:50:30 +0000 <Arcanus[m]> <liskin> "and then something forced it..." <- I just had a major update for xmonad today, it also looks like my config may be broken, still waiting on updates to finish, but I expect to not have a working machine here soon
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