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2021-10-09 00:30:39 +0000 <jakefromstatefar> Does anyone recall the window manager for wayland that has the ability to draw borders on top of other windows?
2021-10-09 00:31:07 +0000 <jakefromstatefar> I recall conversing with geekosaur on this subject, but it's not possible given the current XMonad architecture.
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2021-10-09 02:57:27 +0000 <jakefromstatefar> I'll update it when I find it.
2021-10-09 02:57:28 +0000 <jakefromstatefar> Hm, well, I'm impatient, and that's literally the only thing inhibiting me from pushing out my newer concept for the tree structure.
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2021-10-09 03:34:41 +0000 <jakefromstatefar> I left my old proposal in there, just in case some ideas needed to be reverted.
2021-10-09 03:34:49 +0000 <jakefromstatefar> But, I've thought this through pretty thoroughly.
2021-10-09 03:35:36 +0000 <jakefromstatefar> As well as written some examples. I made the tab layout decoration waay sexier than it ever could've been before.
2021-10-09 03:35:59 +0000 <jakefromstatefar> Of course, that requires the new data type, and a lot of effort on that front.
2021-10-09 03:36:11 +0000 <jakefromstatefar> But, in the end it'd be a huge breath of fresh air.
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2021-10-09 12:04:10 +0000 <rachit> hi
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2021-10-09 13:45:57 +0000 <Solid> hi
2021-10-09 13:49:34 +0000 <geekosaur> thye left already
2021-10-09 13:49:40 +0000 <geekosaur> stuck around maybe 30 seconds
2021-10-09 13:56:18 +0000 <Solid> ah
2021-10-09 13:56:24 +0000 <Solid> rip :/
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2021-10-09 14:46:38 +0000 <Solid> liskin: hot damn, we actually got sponsors from that thread?!
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2021-10-09 16:19:21 +0000 <liskin> Solid: yes, lota
2021-10-09 16:19:23 +0000 <liskin> Lots
2021-10-09 16:20:50 +0000 <liskin> And I'd hazard a guess that my reply being at the top and casually mentioning the sponsors page helped a lot
2021-10-09 16:28:06 +0000 <Solid> :)
2021-10-09 16:35:37 +0000 <jakefromstatefar> Does anyone have any thoughts regarding my [tree-structure](https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad/issues/334#issuecomment-939216844)?
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2021-10-09 18:22:30 +0000 <liskin> jakefromstatefar: I haven't had time to look at it yet, and if I may be honest, it looks so complicated I can virtually guarantee that my procrastination habits will keep me away from it for a long time :-/
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2021-10-09 18:39:14 +0000 <byorgey> jakefromstatefar: what does "inherit"/"uninherit" mean?
2021-10-09 18:39:49 +0000 <geekosaur> it's kinda half of xmonad turned into a tree
2021-10-09 18:40:07 +0000 <geekosaur> I saw a replacement for manageHooks in there
2021-10-09 18:40:14 +0000 <geekosaur> thta might be overdoing it a bit
2021-10-09 18:41:30 +0000 <byorgey> I also don't understand what mutable vs immutable attributes are in the context of Haskell
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2021-10-09 20:10:29 +0000 <jakefromstatefar> inherit/uninherit means:
2021-10-09 20:10:29 +0000 <jakefromstatefar> `a = { attrA=1; attrB = 2; }; b = { inherit a; }; c = { inherit a.* }` -> `b = { a{...} }; c = { attrA=1; attrB=2 }`
2021-10-09 20:10:34 +0000 <jakefromstatefar> It's not a haskell thing afaik, but, it's merely a conceptual piece.
2021-10-09 20:10:54 +0000 <jakefromstatefar> conceptual means to an end*
2021-10-09 20:11:43 +0000 <jakefromstatefar> It's present in other languages, such as `nix`, and haskell's import system sort of does this with `qualified` vs no `qualified`.
2021-10-09 20:12:07 +0000 <jakefromstatefar> <geekosaur> "I saw a replacement for manageHo..." <- manageHooks wouldn't be replaced, existing one's would merely need to be reworked.
2021-10-09 20:13:03 +0000 <jakefromstatefar> <byorgey> "I also don't understand what..." <- immutable means a value that once the data type is instanced, cannot be changed, while mutable means it's a state value, such as a monad/oid.
2021-10-09 20:13:40 +0000 <jakefromstatefar> state-containing value*
2021-10-09 20:16:05 +0000 <jakefromstatefar> <liskin> "jakefromstatefarm: I haven't had..." <- It's mostly the same as your idea, I just tried to make it more modular. Perhaps I'll give another diagram, one with WAAAY less detail.
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2021-10-09 20:45:45 +0000 <jakefromstatefar> OK, I updated my proposal.
2021-10-09 20:46:01 +0000 <jakefromstatefar> There's a few details I'd glazed over yesterday, as well as a simpler explanation.
2021-10-09 20:47:12 +0000 <byorgey> I see, thanks
2021-10-09 21:02:34 +0000 <FOSSHuman[m]> <liskin> "my xmobars are packed full of..." <- lol same
2021-10-09 21:03:02 +0000 <davve> i like polybar
2021-10-09 21:03:19 +0000 <davve> also packed with a bunch of own hacks :)
2021-10-09 21:03:48 +0000 <geekosaur> I have a pare of mate-panels, likewise packed full of crap
2021-10-09 21:03:55 +0000 <geekosaur> *pair
2021-10-09 21:04:11 +0000 <FOSSHuman[m]> davve: Yeah, even though I use XMobar I admit Polybar looks sexy
2021-10-09 21:04:23 +0000 <FOSSHuman[m]> geekosaur: lol
2021-10-09 21:05:14 +0000 <FOSSHuman[m]> * lol same, I have too much icons on my XMobar, I don't do anything to compress words though
2021-10-09 21:05:19 +0000 <geekosaur> that said the top one is 95% task manager and the bottom one 50% mate-log-applet :)
2021-10-09 21:05:26 +0000 <FOSSHuman[m]> * lol same, I have too much icons on my XMobar
2021-10-09 21:05:30 +0000 <geekosaur> *xmonad-log-applet for mate
2021-10-09 21:06:02 +0000 <FOSSHuman[m]> * lol same
2021-10-09 21:07:08 +0000 <FOSSHuman[m]> geekosaur: useful
2021-10-09 21:08:09 +0000 <FOSSHuman[m]> > <@elonsroadster[m]:libera.chat> > <@liskin:libera.chat> my xmobars are packed full of shit, and I literally have to use nerdfonts/fontawesome to compress common words into icons
2021-10-09 21:08:09 +0000 <FOSSHuman[m]> >
2021-10-09 21:08:09 +0000 <FOSSHuman[m]> > Right, this is why text only is shit. Icons are pretty useful in certain contexts.
2021-10-09 21:08:09 +0000 <FOSSHuman[m]> Very true stuff
2021-10-09 21:08:11 +0000 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:1: error: parse error on input ‘<@’
2021-10-09 21:08:12 +0000 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:6: error: parse error on input ‘,’
2021-10-09 21:08:21 +0000 <FOSSHuman[m]> AH crap parse error
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2021-10-09 21:23:49 +0000 <FOSSHuman[m]> I actually think I'm going to switch to Polybar aswell now, since on XMobar all I'm trying to do is replicate them sexy boxes that you can get with Polybar
2021-10-09 21:24:24 +0000 <FOSSHuman[m]> And it makes the template of XMobar big and clunky and undecipherable
2021-10-09 21:25:43 +0000 <FOSSHuman[m]> * and undecipherable,, * since XMobars non-haskell syntax doesn't support backslashes to separate template syntax, I'm stuck with the template syntax going off the screen lol
2021-10-09 21:26:17 +0000 <FOSSHuman[m]> * and undecipherable,, * since XMobars non-haskell syntax doesn't support backslashes to separate template syntax (to my knowledge), I'm stuck with the template syntax going off the screen lol
2021-10-09 21:26:44 +0000 <FOSSHuman[m]> * and undecipherable,, * since XMobars (non-haskell) syntax doesn't support backslashes to separate template syntax (to my knowledge), I'm stuck with the template syntax going off the screen lol
2021-10-09 21:30:59 +0000 <FOSSHuman[m]> s/And it makes the template of XMobar big and clunky and undecipherable/And it makes the template of XMobar big and clunky and hard to look at and read, since XMobars (non-haskell) syntax doesn't support backslashes to separate template syntax (to my knowledge), I'm stuck with the template syntax going off the screen lol/
2021-10-09 21:32:22 +0000 <FOSSHuman[m]> davve: Is there anyway to use bash scripts in Polybar??
2021-10-09 21:32:37 +0000 <FOSSHuman[m]> s/davve: Is there anyway to use bash scripts in Polybar??/davve: Is there any way to use bash scripts in Polybar??/
2021-10-09 21:38:03 +0000 <davve> FOSSHuman[m]: yeah, all my own stuff are simple bash scripts... whatever you echo will be end up in the bar
2021-10-09 21:38:28 +0000 <davve> dont have access to my config right now but i think its module/script or something similar
2021-10-09 21:44:25 +0000 <liskin> (it's time for another reminder that message edits don't transfer well through the IRC gateway; please don't do them, or if you absolutely have to, don't do more than one edit)
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2021-10-09 23:43:05 +0000 <abhixec> Probably a little off topic but what is some good recommendations for getting to speed with Haskell where I can feel comfortable trying to understand xmonad? Rather simple question what is path to learning internals of xmonad?
2021-10-09 23:43:31 +0000 <geekosaur> @where books
2021-10-09 23:43:31 +0000 <lambdabot> https://www.extrema.is/articles/haskell-books, see also @where LYAH, RWH, YAHT, SOE, HR, PIH, TFwH, wikibook, PCPH, HPFFP, HTAC, TwT, FoP, PFAD, WYAH, non-haskell-books
2021-10-09 23:44:25 +0000 <geekosaur> that's just for Haskell though. for xmonad, once you have a basic understanding of Haskell you should be able to understand xmonad's core fairly easily
2021-10-09 23:44:38 +0000 <geekosaur> and it's only 5 smallish files
2021-10-09 23:44:52 +0000 <geekosaur> maybe 6 smallish files
2021-10-09 23:45:18 +0000 <geekosaur> many of the extensions are just as simple, but there's over 200 of those :)
2021-10-09 23:46:54 +0000 <geekosaur> there's also the so-called Gentle Introduction to Haskell on haskell.org, but many people find it less than gentle. (I had no problem with it, but I'd already been exposed to Scheme and SML/NJ by that point.)
2021-10-09 23:48:44 +0000 <abhixec> Thanks geekosaur
2021-10-09 23:49:02 +0000 <geekosaur> you can also ask questions in #haskell or #haskell-beginners
2021-10-09 23:49:34 +0000 <geekosaur> and you can play with Haskell expressions in lambdabot in those channels or here