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2021-09-23 02:19:48 +0000 <HAL[m]> <jakefromstatefar> "Which shell do you use in your..." <-
2021-09-23 02:19:48 +0000 <HAL[m]> I have terminal="alacritty" defined in xmonad def{...}
2021-09-23 02:20:17 +0000 <HAL[m]> HAL[m]: I'm using bash
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2021-09-23 02:28:56 +0000 <HAL[m]> <jakefromstatefar> "Which shell do you use in your..." <- and I run the same command in alacritty as well, it opens all instances. whereas using spawn "command", files are opened 1 by 1.
2021-09-23 03:43:03 +0000 <jakefromstatefar> Perhaps your path differs? Check your `.profile`, etc.
2021-09-23 03:47:42 +0000 <jakefromstatefar> s/path/`$PATH`/
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2021-09-23 04:29:46 +0000 <HAL[m]> <jakefromstatefar> "Perhaps your path differs? Check..." <- how is $PATH involved in these two cases?
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2021-09-23 14:55:17 +0000eezo[m](~eezomatri@2001:470:69fc:105::1:7)
2021-09-23 14:56:06 +0000 <eezo[m]> ok, so one thing that's been bugging me....what is a PP? What does that stand for?
2021-09-23 14:56:30 +0000 <eezo[m]> I understand it's some kind of a logging/communication thing with external [to xmonad] apps
2021-09-23 14:56:47 +0000 <mc47> Pretty Printer
2021-09-23 14:57:39 +0000 <eezo[m]> so, they're formatters so that data can be more easily parsed by an external application?
2021-09-23 14:57:40 +0000 <eezo[m]> more or less?
2021-09-23 14:57:46 +0000 <geekosaur> yes
2021-09-23 14:57:55 +0000 <mc47> yeah kinda
2021-09-23 14:58:09 +0000 <geekosaur> they tell DynamicLog how to format xmonad state for use by external programs, and how to send the result to those programs
2021-09-23 14:58:46 +0000 <mc47> it's basically a data structure that contains functions on how to format the xmonad state and how to send it out
2021-09-23 14:58:48 +0000 <mc47> more or less
2021-09-23 15:01:31 +0000 <eezo[m]> ok, that makes a lot of sense. Right now, I'm on Xubuntu, having replaced xfwm with xmonad. Since this is a work computer (well, it's my machine, but I'm using it for work) - I needed a way to get into xmonad without a 500 line config, but still learn xmonad config gradually. So my config right now is <80loc, and (almost) everything _just works_. volume, mute, media keys - I didn't have to go into the keybindings myself since xfce and
2021-09-23 15:01:32 +0000 <eezo[m]> `XMonad.Config.Xfce` took care of that.
2021-09-23 15:01:32 +0000 <eezo[m]> That said, I probably want to replace `xfce4-panel` at some point. It works fine, but xmobar (or idk, maybe another bar? Haven't explored it that much) would likely be a better fit long-term.
2021-09-23 15:02:11 +0000 <mc47> It depends on what you want tbh
2021-09-23 15:02:15 +0000 <eezo[m]> so kudos to whoever wrote the Xfce config, and the docs. It really does _just work_ (though login and getting the panel & wm to start/replace/restart just right seems to take some finagling)
2021-09-23 15:02:43 +0000 <geekosaur> yeh, it kept changing
2021-09-23 15:03:05 +0000 <geekosaur> mate was the same way and for a while I had to run the change command multiple times and hope one of them took
2021-09-23 15:03:11 +0000wonko(~wjc@user/wonko) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
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2021-09-23 15:03:53 +0000 <geekosaur> that said, you can build xmonad-log-applet for xfce4-panel, keep the panel, and still use DynamicLog / StatusBar
2021-09-23 15:04:03 +0000 <geekosaur> it just takes some work since it has to be fed via dbus
2021-09-23 15:05:39 +0000 <geekosaur> this would however make it much easier to, say, integrate a notification area with xmonad status
2021-09-23 15:05:45 +0000 <eezo[m]> which brings to mind - what is the communication channel with xmobar? stdin? dbus? unix socket (seems overkill)?
2021-09-23 15:06:06 +0000 <geekosaur> stdin via a pipe in released xmonad, an X11 property in git
2021-09-23 15:06:54 +0000 <geekosaur> (the old mechanism meant that if you forgot to configure StdinReader or did it improperly, xmonad would eventually hang)
2021-09-23 15:06:55 +0000 <eezo[m]> ok, so that would mean that if you use `spawnOnce` to open up xmonad, you can't really communicate with it state-wise, right?
2021-09-23 15:07:20 +0000 <eezo[m]> (previous attempt at this wasn't in xfce and was much more barebones, experimenting with xmobar etc)
2021-09-23 15:07:29 +0000 <geekosaur> spawnOnce would work with properties but not with a pipe
2021-09-23 15:07:54 +0000 <geekosaur> xmobar has actually had support for props for several years, we just didn't use it by default
2021-09-23 15:09:50 +0000 <eezo[m]> >stdin via a pipe in released xmonad, an X11 property in git
2021-09-23 15:09:50 +0000 <eezo[m]> so this is a fairly new thing? I installed xmonad via apt in xubuntu
2021-09-23 15:10:09 +0000 <geekosaur> xubuntu won't have the default-via-props stuff yet
2021-09-23 15:10:13 +0000 <eezo[m]> I'll have to do some research on what x11 properties are. Not familiar with the concept
2021-09-23 15:10:59 +0000 <geekosaur> you can take a look at https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/blob/master/XMonad/Hooks/StatusBar.hs to see the new stuff
2021-09-23 15:11:34 +0000 <geekosaur> an X11 property is just a chunk of data the server holds onto that any client can set or query, although most often there's one setter ad multiple getters
2021-09-23 15:12:22 +0000 <geekosaur> since they live in te server they're relatively expensive, but not much more so than a pipe since the server connection is a local tcp socket anyway
2021-09-23 15:12:35 +0000 <geekosaur> er, local unix socket
2021-09-23 15:13:00 +0000 <geekosaur> they can hold data of multiple types, but we're using UTF8_STRING
2021-09-23 15:13:04 +0000 <mc47> (this might be a bit better to read through, if you don't want to look at the code https://xmonad.github.io/xmonad-docs/xmonad-contrib/XMonad-Hooks-StatusBar.html)
2021-09-23 15:13:30 +0000 <eezo[m]> ah, that helps. My ability to read Haskell is still a WIP
2021-09-23 15:14:12 +0000 <geekosaur> you can also use the xprop command to inspect properties on any window including the root window (which is kinda the "global namespace" for properties)
2021-09-23 15:14:32 +0000 <eezo[m]> I've been wanting to for > 3 years, but I keep trying and then rage-quitting because it's so different - even though I embrace emphatically most of its FP design (I use the `fp-ts` as much as I can in my typescript day job)
2021-09-23 15:20:28 +0000wonko(~wjc@62.115.229.50)
2021-09-23 15:21:34 +0000 <vojjvoda[m]> <unclechu> "војвода what bar are you using?" <- xmobar
2021-09-23 15:32:02 +0000 <mc47> eezo[m] the logo of fp-ts is one of the most creative logos I've ever seen, it had me chuckle audibly :D
2021-09-23 15:32:14 +0000 <mc47> brilliant
2021-09-23 15:34:15 +0000 <Solid> the desktop configs to less than most people think, I'd imagine
2021-09-23 15:34:23 +0000 <Solid> but it's nice to hear that the integration with xfce is so seemless
2021-09-23 15:34:39 +0000 <eezo[m]> yeah, the logo's pretty great. The concepts I think were modeled somewhat after Haskell, somewhat after PureScript, and somewhat after Scala. A pretty interesting mix - and he's got a whole ecosystem of corelated libs (I'm using `parser-ts` to make a DSL in my day job too)
2021-09-23 15:36:47 +0000 <eezo[m]> Solid: I know in my previous non-xfce config, I had trouble for example unmuting due to pulseaudio oddities - I could change volume, change playback device, and mute, all just fine. That wasn't too bad. Unmute was a problem (workaround: turn the volume back up on my media knob on my keyboard, lol)
2021-09-23 15:37:08 +0000 <Solid> s/to/do/
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2021-09-23 15:43:47 +0000 <eezo[m]> [looking at the code for xfce config] huh, I guess xfce is grabbing media keys before xmonad even gets to them? interesting
2021-09-23 15:44:26 +0000 <geekosaur> likely. watch especially for stuff grabbed by panel applets
2021-09-23 15:44:46 +0000 <geekosaur> there's usually a panel or applet knob to disable this
2021-09-23 15:45:21 +0000 <geekosaur> like I always have to tweak mate to let go of mod4 because the menu applet grabs it by default
2021-09-23 15:45:30 +0000 <eezo[m]> hmm, maybe next time I log in and xfce4-panel fails to load properly (looking in htop to see if it's dead or just not showing) I'll try out my media keys to see what happens
2021-09-23 15:46:18 +0000 <eezo[m]> ah. Yeah, with vanilla xfce, not using mod4 to open the "start menu" thing had always been kinda frustrating, but with xmonad, it's a pretty nice thing
2021-09-23 15:46:39 +0000 <eezo[m]> and it's so easy to just delete keybindings in xfce settings
2021-09-23 15:53:11 +0000 <eezo[m]> now, if only I could get the Android emulator to behave like a _sane_ application in xmonad. It was worse before, but with my xfce environment, the little "helper menu" thing next to it glitches the whole WM (even element.io, right now, on a completely different workspace, has its active window border flickering about once every few seconds)
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2021-09-23 18:41:23 +0000 <jakefromstatefar> <vojjvoda[m]> "xmobar" <- Might you share your config? That looks EPIC!
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