2021/09/06

2021-09-06 00:05:24 +0000 <liskin> Why did everyone go silent after I spoke? :-(
2021-09-06 00:14:46 +0000 <geekosaur> everyone went silent in every channel I'm in so I don't think it was you
2021-09-06 00:20:06 +0000 <liskin> Oh, good
2021-09-06 00:21:22 +0000 <liskin> geekosaur: did you see those mails about HF affiliation and stuff, btw?
2021-09-06 00:22:02 +0000 <geekosaur> yeh, altough I was kinda short in network during the week so they're kinda buried somewhere in my inbox
2021-09-06 00:22:57 +0000 <geekosaur> I still worry about the HF being more about corporate users than little folks like us
2021-09-06 00:28:44 +0000 <liskin> Yeah, I'm starting to worry too, and it's something folks are discussing these days at the Haskell discourse
2021-09-06 00:29:26 +0000 <liskin> We'll see where it goes I guess
2021-09-06 00:29:48 +0000 <liskin> Ideally everyone benefits
2021-09-06 00:30:21 +0000 <liskin> But getting any money flowing our way will be hard.
2021-09-06 00:31:35 +0000 <liskin> Getting any money flowing any way is always hard I guess. I sent an email to Andrew from the HF about this a couple days ago and he said getting those corporate sponsorships was a lot of work
2021-09-06 00:31:47 +0000 <geekosaur> yeh, tbh I consider this to be a bit of a long shot, xmonad is not the type of project likely to attract much in the way of sponsors
2021-09-06 00:33:24 +0000 <geekosaur> and xmonad in particular is not going to be very interesting to corporate users because they tend to prefer centralized configuration
2021-09-06 00:34:57 +0000 <liskin> Yeah. I thought some of those Haskell consultancies might do it just for publicity or because a high profile person there is a user or something
2021-09-06 00:35:31 +0000 <liskin> People used to say that xmonad is how they got into Haskell
2021-09-06 00:35:52 +0000 <liskin> But I feel like it's no longer as relevant as it used to be :-(
2021-09-06 00:37:45 +0000 <geekosaur> we've been silent for too long, hopefully kicking out a new release will help
2021-09-06 00:38:04 +0000 <liskin> Possibly
2021-09-06 00:38:23 +0000 <liskin> I'm not very good at this community building thing
2021-09-06 00:38:54 +0000 <geekosaur> nor am I, which really doesn't help much
2021-09-06 00:39:13 +0000 <liskin> I try to reach out to folks on Twitter sometimes or reddit, but it rarely leads anywhere
2021-09-06 00:39:47 +0000 <geekosaur> also, sadly, while xmonad got a bunch of folks into Haskell, that doesn't mean they stuck around the xmonad community
2021-09-06 00:39:59 +0000 <liskin> Having a high bar for contributions doesn't help either
2021-09-06 00:40:08 +0000 <liskin> But I can't help it :-(
2021-09-06 00:41:32 +0000 <liskin> Anyway, I need to sleep. Let's hope Tomas manages to get some donors and that I manage to finish the release soon :-)
2021-09-06 00:42:24 +0000 <geekosaur> indeed
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2021-09-06 05:28:09 +0000 <Solid> liskin: I don't think the HF would be a good way to attract money; additional publicity perhaps (although on the Haskell Discourse there was some discussion about how much of their budget should be spent on free software projects)
2021-09-06 05:30:34 +0000 <Solid> btw, should we set a deadline for the release? maybe work will be more coordinated that way :)
2021-09-06 06:11:14 +0000 <Hash> How do you restart xmobarrc
2021-09-06 06:11:32 +0000 <Hash> I just did meta+q to restart xmonad and something weird is happening, it's not showing up
2021-09-06 06:13:23 +0000 <Hash> RefreshRate: number of tenths of second between re-runs of the command. A zero or negative rate means that the command will be executed only once.
2021-09-06 06:13:33 +0000 <Hash> what, 1/10th of a sec
2021-09-06 06:13:35 +0000 <Hash> huh
2021-09-06 06:14:59 +0000 <Hash> Run Network "enp6s0" ["-t","Net: <rx>, <tx>","-H","200","-L","10","-h","#FFB6B0","-l","#CEFFAC","-n","#FFFFCC"] 10,
2021-09-06 06:15:15 +0000 <Hash> What does this mean? if refresh rate is '10', that means it's 1/10th of a second already?
2021-09-06 06:15:45 +0000 <Hash> Run Weather "KBDU" ["-t","<tempF>°F <skyCondition>","-L","64","-H","77","-n","#CEFFAC","-h","#FFB6B0","-l","#96CBFE"] 36000,
2021-09-06 06:15:53 +0000 <Hash> Weather is 36000
2021-09-06 06:18:46 +0000 <Hash> In this case xmobar will run the weather monitor, getting information for the weather station ID EGPF (Glasgow Airport, as a homage to GHC) every hour (36000 tenth of seconds), with a template that will output something like:
2021-09-06 06:18:56 +0000 <Hash> I see
2021-09-06 06:19:28 +0000 <Hash> So whatever you want * 10 should be specified here. ok
2021-09-06 06:19:55 +0000 <Hash> and 10 = 1 sec
2021-09-06 06:20:06 +0000 <Hash> why did someone make it a factor of 10? Confusion.
2021-09-06 06:23:21 +0000 <Hash> I'll share my configs
2021-09-06 06:24:06 +0000 <Hash> https://termbin.com/m3t7 xmobarrc
2021-09-06 06:24:14 +0000 <Hash> https://termbin.com/y1lq xmonad.hs
2021-09-06 06:24:34 +0000 <Hash> The xmobar takes a very long time to show up when I restart xmonad
2021-09-06 06:35:47 +0000seschwar(~seschwar@user/seschwar)
2021-09-06 07:02:41 +0000 <Hash> Oh it eaems I don't have weather X
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2021-09-06 07:18:55 +0000 <Solid> the fact that times are specified in ms is probably historical baggage
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2021-09-06 07:20:35 +0000 <tomsmeding> deciseconds?
2021-09-06 07:21:07 +0000Hash(~weechat@thestonedapes.com)
2021-09-06 07:33:12 +0000 <Solid> oh right, deciseconds and not ms
2021-09-06 07:35:58 +0000 <liskin> Solid: we had a deadline in Github milestones before, didn't help :-)
2021-09-06 07:36:48 +0000 <Solid> liskin: I mean a real deadline; one where we _really_ say "anything that's not done up until this point has to wait until 0.18"
2021-09-06 07:37:09 +0000 <Solid> I dunno if it would introduce unnecessary stress or anything like that, but it seems like the only way to actually make this release :D
2021-09-06 07:38:03 +0000 <liskin> Hm, maybe
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2021-09-06 08:13:23 +0000 <liskin> Oh, we have a first $25 sponsor, which means we need to figure out where to list the sponsors and whether to post shoutouts individually or grouped :-)
2021-09-06 08:13:27 +0000 <liskin> That's a nice problem to have!
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2021-09-06 08:26:30 +0000 <mc47> Solid, liskin: for me, a deadline around half october seems realistic
2021-09-06 08:27:30 +0000 <mc47> and for shoutouts: an individual shoutout on twitter might be nice, especially these are the first sponsors
2021-09-06 08:28:06 +0000 <mc47> and maybe a sponsors section in the website, in the community page
2021-09-06 08:29:13 +0000 <mc47> (the thesis is taking longer than expected... hopefully I manage to submit it this week and do the presentation next week)
2021-09-06 08:41:36 +0000 <Solid> these things always take longer than expected :P
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2021-09-06 08:51:35 +0000 <mc47> I really thought I'd be done in mid august by the latest since I started too early... The deadline is in nine days lol
2021-09-06 08:52:02 +0000 <mc47> it was fun though
2021-09-06 08:52:36 +0000 <liskin> The thing with individual shoutouts is that they're in conflict with trying not to overwhelm people with spam about sponsors until the fundraiser has gained momentum :-/
2021-09-06 08:52:47 +0000 <liskin> Not sure how to deal with this. Should've thought this through when setting the goals
2021-09-06 08:54:28 +0000 <mc47> hmm, that's true
2021-09-06 08:57:06 +0000 <mc47> A shoutout tweet each two weeks, maybe?
2021-09-06 09:19:13 +0000 <liskin> sounds like a good compromise
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2021-09-06 21:13:44 +0000 <M-elo-[m]> How far away are we from 17?
2021-09-06 21:13:47 +0000 <M-elo-[m]> * we from 0.17?
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2021-09-06 21:19:05 +0000 <geekosaur> there was some discussion earlier, I think we're trying to shoot for mid october
2021-09-06 21:19:15 +0000 <M-elo-[m]> Nice!
2021-09-06 21:19:19 +0000 <geekosaur> that said we've bloen past some earlier attempts at deadlines
2021-09-06 21:19:39 +0000 <M-elo-[m]> I am somewhat curious how the new (if there will be one) release schedule will look like
2021-09-06 21:20:12 +0000 <M-elo-[m]> Still waiting for ConditionalLayoutModifier to merge so I think I might have to wait longer than 0.17
2021-09-06 21:34:28 +0000 <liskin> M-elo-[m]: little has changes since we last talked about this :-/
2021-09-06 21:34:32 +0000 <liskin> *changed
2021-09-06 21:36:06 +0000 <liskin> the best way to get ConditionalLayoutModifier merged soon is to simply work on it, because I really can't promise I'll get to it this month
2021-09-06 21:36:37 +0000 <liskin> there's only so much one can do in their free time
2021-09-06 21:40:54 +0000 <M-elo-[m]> liskin: I was not expecting much to begin with so it's cool
2021-09-06 21:42:03 +0000 <M-elo-[m]> Don't think I'll be contributing anything since Ivan's work required rework and my hello_world skills won't be much of help unfortunately
2021-09-06 21:43:30 +0000 <M-elo-[m]> * my hello_world.hs skills
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