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2021-08-03 01:59:29 +0000 <sav3d[m]> Does xmonad have a drop down app menu like in openbox or i3
2021-08-03 02:03:43 +0000 <geekosaur> nothing built in, no. one might be able to make one using dmenu/yeganesh, or a different style from GridSelect
2021-08-03 02:04:28 +0000banc(banc@gateway/vpn/airvpn/banc) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2021-08-03 02:17:26 +0000 <geekosaur> there's also XMonad.Prompt.Shell
2021-08-03 02:22:12 +0000banc(banc@gateway/vpn/airvpn/banc)
2021-08-03 02:25:25 +0000 <fizzie> Huh. I sort of misremembered there was something in contrib that could read .desktop files, but maybe not. (Never really been looking for it.)
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2021-08-03 02:32:33 +0000 <geekosaur> I don't see one offhand
2021-08-03 02:33:07 +0000 <sav3d[m]> I gotta use xmenu
2021-08-03 02:33:26 +0000 <fizzie> Yeah, it was probably something external that I just read about in an Xmonad context.
2021-08-03 02:34:13 +0000 <sav3d[m]> I have it installed i just gotta take time to build the menu
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2021-08-03 03:09:50 +0000 <sav3d[m]> What am I getting wrong here
2021-08-03 03:10:35 +0000 <geekosaur> @where paste
2021-08-03 03:10:35 +0000 <lambdabot> Help us help you: please paste full code, input and/or output at e.g. https://paste.tomsmeding.com
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2021-08-03 03:11:53 +0000 <geekosaur> you need to pass something for a KeyMask (it's a tuple, not a list, it must have 2 elements)
2021-08-03 03:12:15 +0000 <sav3d[m]> I just want it to right click open
2021-08-03 03:12:16 +0000 <sav3d[m]> How do I do that
2021-08-03 03:12:21 +0000 <geekosaur> and I strongly recommend not using 0 because it'll take button2 away from all applications
2021-08-03 03:13:20 +0000 <sav3d[m]> Oo
2021-08-03 03:13:31 +0000 <sav3d[m]> I just want to use right click on the root menu to open xmenu
2021-08-03 03:15:52 +0000 <geekosaur> you'd be better off using an external application for that
2021-08-03 03:16:20 +0000 <geekosaur> see xclickroot which is designed to go along with xmenu (cf. https://github.com/phillbush/xmenu)
2021-08-03 03:19:55 +0000 <sav3d[m]> Ya
2021-08-03 03:20:31 +0000 <sav3d[m]> Another question I’m trying to set super to dmenu and I’m getting this error
2021-08-03 03:20:36 +0000 <sav3d[m]> Variable not in scope dmenu_rub
2021-08-03 03:20:38 +0000 <sav3d[m]> Run*
2021-08-03 03:21:30 +0000 <geekosaur> spawn "dmenu_run"
2021-08-03 03:22:29 +0000 <sav3d[m]> Ya I forgot to set the variable
2021-08-03 03:31:30 +0000 <sav3d[m]> So I’m my xmonad settings
2021-08-03 03:31:39 +0000 <sav3d[m]> Rofi is set as default (I’m using Archcraft)
2021-08-03 03:31:56 +0000 <sav3d[m]> I get a huge error when I do spawn “dmenu_run”
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2021-08-03 03:34:11 +0000 <sav3d[m]> Fixed
2021-08-03 03:34:18 +0000 <geekosaur> are you using that binding anywhere?
2021-08-03 03:34:22 +0000 <sav3d[m]> I had to set the variable above for whatever reason
2021-08-03 03:34:44 +0000 <sav3d[m]> I set it to this and left the name
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2021-08-03 06:09:55 +0000 <amenonsen> oh.
2021-08-03 06:10:09 +0000 <amenonsen> xmonad is at 0.15-something and xmonad-contrib is at 0.16-something.
2021-08-03 06:11:46 +0000 <amenonsen> liskin: if i want to try out your EWMH window refactoring PR in #399, what version(s) should i use?
2021-08-03 06:25:54 +0000dschrempf(~dominik@070-207.dynamic.dsl.fonira.net)
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2021-08-03 07:02:42 +0000 <Solid> amenonsen: xmonad-git and checking out the PR is your best bet
2021-08-03 07:11:15 +0000 <amenonsen> Solid: if i just "cabal install" in the checked-out xmonad-contrib, i get a "Could not resolve dependencies" error, the gist of which is "(conflict: xmonad-contrib => xmonad>=0.16.9999 && <0.18)"
2021-08-03 07:11:51 +0000 <Solid> which is why I said xmonad-git :)
2021-08-03 07:12:09 +0000 <amenonsen> ah, i see. xmonad is not _tagged_ 0.16, but xmonad.cabal does set `version = 0.16.9999` already
2021-08-03 07:13:31 +0000 <amenonsen> i wonder how much breakage i should be prepared for.
2021-08-03 07:14:23 +0000 <Solid> core has not changed _that much_
2021-08-03 07:14:44 +0000 <Solid> there are a lot of breaking changes for contrib, but I reckon "most" configs should compile just fine or only need one or two changes
2021-08-03 07:19:33 +0000ClassifiedLegend(~classifie@2001:470:69fc:105::cee4)
2021-08-03 07:23:29 +0000 <amenonsen> will xmonad HEAD work with the older xmonad-contrib modules for the time it takes me to run cabal install in xmonad-contrib?
2021-08-03 07:23:35 +0000 <amenonsen> or should i be trying to do both together?
2021-08-03 07:23:58 +0000 <amenonsen> i guess i should install one, install the other, and only then restart.
2021-08-03 07:29:13 +0000 <amenonsen> "Continuing even though the plan contains dangerous reinstalls." (X11-xft)
2021-08-03 07:31:56 +0000 <amenonsen> it failed to build XMonad.Layout.LayoutCombinators because of some «Ambiguous occurrence ‘JumpToLayout’»
2021-08-03 07:32:37 +0000 <amenonsen> looks like there's a commit in master that might fix it.
2021-08-03 07:33:13 +0000amenonsencherry-picks
2021-08-03 07:36:07 +0000 <amenonsen> it worked.
2021-08-03 07:36:09 +0000 <amenonsen> i mean, it built.
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2021-08-03 07:37:14 +0000 <amenonsen> it restarted OK too.
2021-08-03 07:38:20 +0000 <Solid> \o/
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2021-08-03 09:16:02 +0000vojjvoda[m](~vojjvodam@2001:470:69fc:105::cefe)
2021-08-03 09:20:41 +0000 <vojjvoda[m]> what version are you on?
2021-08-03 09:21:45 +0000 <vojjvoda[m]> my xmonad is 0.15
2021-08-03 09:23:07 +0000 <amenonsen> mine is (now) 0.16.9999
2021-08-03 09:23:28 +0000 <vojjvoda[m]> any major changes?
2021-08-03 09:24:23 +0000 <amenonsen> not that i've noticed.
2021-08-03 09:51:58 +0000 <Solid> the most visible change is perhaps improved XDG handling
2021-08-03 09:52:12 +0000 <Solid> A full changelog is here: https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad/blob/master/CHANGES.md
2021-08-03 09:54:30 +0000 <Solid> contrib has had much (much) more work done in the meantime; so much so that it takes up almost half of the changes.md file ( https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/blob/master/CHANGES.md )
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2021-08-03 10:32:31 +0000 <vojjvoda[m]> so i can finally use XMONAD_CONFIG_DIR
2021-08-03 10:32:47 +0000 <vojjvoda[m]> good to know
2021-08-03 10:47:19 +0000GauravsinghSisod(~grvxsmatr@2001:470:69fc:105::cf13)
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2021-08-03 10:53:41 +0000 <Solid> XMONAD_CONFIG_DIR is fully supported even in 0.15
2021-08-03 10:54:25 +0000 <Solid> this is strictly for better integration with XDG_*_HOME variables
2021-08-03 10:55:02 +0000 <vojjvoda[m]> I couldn't get it working
2021-08-03 10:55:53 +0000 <vojjvoda[m]> I set up all three variables in /etc/environment but xmonad errored out saying ~/.xmonad doesnt exist
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2021-08-03 11:44:20 +0000 <liskin> Solid: oh crap will 0.17 really be as big as all the previous releases combined?
2021-08-03 11:45:18 +0000 <liskin> we need to release soon then
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2021-08-03 11:48:08 +0000 <Solid> liskin: it's about 700 lines of the 1500 line changes.md
2021-08-03 11:48:16 +0000 <Solid> but that only goes back to 0.9
2021-08-03 11:48:27 +0000 <Solid> but it's definitely the biggest release in many years
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2021-08-03 13:53:31 +0000 <amenonsen> liskin: i'm happy to report that EWMH window activation is working nicely for me with your #399
2021-08-03 13:53:55 +0000 <amenonsen> (even though i see from the comments by now that you needed no further confirmation of this.)
2021-08-03 13:58:30 +0000 <electr0n> stoked for LayoutCombinators (JumpToLayout) being migrated to XMonad.Layout. been a pain to get that working the right way esp since I should just migrate to stack vs pacman.
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2021-08-03 14:27:54 +0000 <amenonsen> what are they/what do they do?
2021-08-03 14:45:50 +0000 <geekosaur> it's a replacement for the core's (|||) that allows JumpToLayout to work
2021-08-03 14:46:19 +0000 <geekosaur> which means it's a bit of a pain to set up, which is why we're migrating it to core
2021-08-03 14:49:02 +0000 <amenonsen> is that like how i have a `myLayoutHook = … where usual = minimize(Full ||| Tiled ||| Mirror tiled)` ?
2021-08-03 14:49:15 +0000 <geekosaur> yes
2021-08-03 14:49:40 +0000 <geekosaur> but you have to cycle through them with mod-space, there's no way to select one programmatically
2021-08-03 14:49:48 +0000 <geekosaur> which is what JumpToLayout provides
2021-08-03 14:50:38 +0000 <amenonsen> ah. thanks, now i understand.
2021-08-03 14:51:55 +0000cyr4x3(~cyr4x3@139.47.116.87)
2021-08-03 14:58:00 +0000 <liskin> amenonsen: good to hear
2021-08-03 14:58:28 +0000 <liskin> But yeah, I didn't expect trouble with the implementation, it's the docs that are missing.
2021-08-03 14:58:45 +0000 <liskin> And the implementation will quite likely change anyway :-)
2021-08-03 14:59:32 +0000 <liskin> Dunno why I can't make myself get to it. Been postponing it too long and now it's this huge scary daemon or something :-/
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2021-08-03 16:23:47 +0000 <Solid> liskin: the faster that's done, the faster we can release 0.17, the faster people will be hyped up and (more) willing to drop money on the project
2021-08-03 16:23:55 +0000 <Solid> see it as an indirect payment :D
2021-08-03 16:24:02 +0000 <liskin> well actually
2021-08-03 16:24:09 +0000 <liskin> I'm just writing that e-mail
2021-08-03 16:24:22 +0000 <Solid> oh neat
2021-08-03 16:25:17 +0000 <liskin> and we might actually want to do the release (and the associated inevitable front page hacker news stuff :-D) only after we get the first couple dozen sponsors
2021-08-03 16:25:25 +0000 <liskin> but I'll stop the spoilers and get back to writing
2021-08-03 16:25:43 +0000d4hines[m](~d4hinesma@2001:470:69fc:105::cd0c) ()
2021-08-03 16:25:47 +0000 <amenonsen> oh, sponsors? where do i read more?
2021-08-03 16:25:57 +0000 <liskin> (I don't actually think we'll need to delay the release artificially)
2021-08-03 16:25:58 +0000 <Solid> maybe we'll at least get on the lobste.rs frontpage :P
2021-08-03 16:26:32 +0000 <liskin> amenonsen: nowhere just yet
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2021-08-03 16:27:16 +0000 <liskin> amenonsen: right now all we have is my own personal github sponsors profile that isn't very popular
2021-08-03 16:27:30 +0000 <liskin> possibly because I'm the worst marketing person ever
2021-08-03 16:29:12 +0000 <geekosaur> second worst :þ
2021-08-03 16:29:23 +0000 <liskin> true :-D
2021-08-03 17:31:50 +0000 <liskin> oh crap, seems like I've become one of those people whose text/plain parts look terrible
2021-08-03 17:32:16 +0000 <liskin> seems like format=flowed and markdown lists don't play along
2021-08-03 17:33:08 +0000 <liskin> (I write mails as markdown and mutt converts them to multipart with pandocced html before sending)
2021-08-03 17:33:52 +0000 <Solid> yeah anything that needs alignment will be a bad experience with f=f
2021-08-03 17:34:13 +0000 <Solid> one then has to mix hard and soft newlines... I guess that's one of the reasons why not many people use it these days
2021-08-03 17:41:18 +0000 <liskin> yep, will need to think about it next time
2021-08-03 17:44:47 +0000 <Solid> (funnily enough, it looks completely fine to me now that I actually go the mail)
2021-08-03 17:44:52 +0000 <Solid> s/go/got/
2021-08-03 17:45:18 +0000 <liskin> it looks crap in my mutt
2021-08-03 17:49:45 +0000 <Solid> more proof that emacs is better :D
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2021-08-03 18:00:14 +0000 <fizzie> The solution is, of course, to simply ensure a text/markdown part gets natively rendered by all email software and web-based email purveyors. With a matching dialect of Markdown.
2021-08-03 18:02:08 +0000 <liskin> Hm, that might be the issue: it's not a text/markdown part, it's text/plain.
2021-08-03 18:02:41 +0000 <liskin> If I send text/markdown most clients won't know what to do with that at all, no?
2021-08-03 18:05:50 +0000 <Solid> probably not
2021-08-03 18:06:12 +0000 <Solid> and another markdown dialect is most definitely _not_ something that'll improve this situation
2021-08-03 18:10:28 +0000 <triumphofdeath[m> ...hi @ALL, what is in your opinion the best way to install the xmonad - desktop to get into it, and make it with modified settings your own (Arco ...) ???
2021-08-03 18:12:51 +0000 <irishlucklinux[m> You could do ARCO but that has a lot of fluff in their. I say just download it and configure to your liking. Their are good resources out their now
2021-08-03 18:17:29 +0000 <triumphofdeath[m> irishlucklinux[m]: ... and which ???
2021-08-03 18:22:56 +0000 <Solid> triumphofdeath[m: you might have a gander at the tutorial: https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad/blob/master/TUTORIAL.md
2021-08-03 18:48:05 +0000 <liskin> oh, speaking of the tutorial, I just merged my PR to xmonad-web, so we have this now: https://xmonad.org/TUTORIAL.html
2021-08-03 18:49:16 +0000 <Solid> oh neat
2021-08-03 18:50:34 +0000 <Solid> does this do something clever to use the file from the xmonad repo?
2021-08-03 18:50:45 +0000 <liskin> yep, daily git submodule update
2021-08-03 18:50:58 +0000 <Solid> awww yeah
2021-08-03 18:51:02 +0000 <Solid> thanks <3
2021-08-03 18:51:19 +0000 <liskin> github pages happens to work with submodules without any extra effort
2021-08-03 19:19:48 +0000 <vojjvoda[m]> AAAAAAAAAAAAAA
2021-08-03 19:19:56 +0000 <vojjvoda[m]> LATEX NE RADI SA ĆIRILICOM
2021-08-03 19:19:58 +0000 <vojjvoda[m]> :))))
2021-08-03 19:23:59 +0000 <vojjvoda[m]> https://gitlab.com/vojjvoda/manifest/-/blob/master/manifest.md
2021-08-03 19:25:31 +0000 <Solid> uh... wrong channel?
2021-08-03 19:26:06 +0000 <vojjvoda[m]> sorry, wrong channel
2021-08-03 19:26:44 +0000 <vojjvoda[m]> i thouught i was sending my frustration with latex to a friend
2021-08-03 19:26:54 +0000 <vojjvoda[m]> latex doesnt like cyrilic
2021-08-03 19:28:04 +0000 <Solid> really? I figured babel would be enough to make it work
2021-08-03 19:28:32 +0000 <vojjvoda[m]> yeah im looking for a fix, im new to latex
2021-08-03 19:29:23 +0000 <Solid> even pdflatex should be able to handle most "language" unicode (the few times I had to use kanji symbols it worked fine, for example)
2021-08-03 19:29:42 +0000 <Solid> though if you want to define \newcommand's and stuff in cyrilic as well you may need lualatex or something
2021-08-03 19:29:57 +0000 <vojjvoda[m]> id really doesnt like : нешто попут овог
2021-08-03 19:30:35 +0000 <vojjvoda[m]> this is xmonad chat, sorry
2021-08-03 19:30:52 +0000 <Solid> no xmonad talk going on right now ;)
2021-08-03 19:31:26 +0000vojjvoda[m]uploaded an image: (726KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/rgISUftThRPyymEwfcCVgdXE/clipboard.png >
2021-08-03 19:31:38 +0000 <vojjvoda[m]> here's mine rendition :D
2021-08-03 19:32:55 +0000 <Solid> oh that's a neat notification
2021-08-03 19:36:57 +0000 <vojjvoda[m]> thanks !
2021-08-03 19:39:29 +0000 <Solid> just for completeness: http://ix.io/3uUI works for me
2021-08-03 19:42:31 +0000 <vojjvoda[m]> oh, nice, thanks
2021-08-03 19:43:24 +0000liskinrecommends lualatex or xelatex, otherwise foreign language support with be a massive pain
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