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| 2021-06-27 08:48:53 +0000 | Eoco | (~ian@x-160-94-179-157.acm.umn.edu) (*.net *.split) |
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| 2021-06-27 09:14:18 +0000 | mc47 | (~mc47@xmonad/TheMC47) |
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| 2021-06-27 10:10:59 +0000 | seschwar | (~seschwar@user/seschwar) |
| 2021-06-27 11:28:32 +0000 | <Solid> | these responses from the gnome-panel maintainer rub me the wrong way somehow |
| 2021-06-27 11:35:42 +0000 | <liskin> | that's kind of expected, no? |
| 2021-06-27 11:36:42 +0000 | <liskin> | at least they're not telling us that we're utter fools who should've stopped supporting X11 years ago and joined their cult of forcing wayland upon users |
| 2021-06-27 11:37:42 +0000 | <liskin> | (which other gnome folks like Bastien would probably do if we were foolish enough to highlight them) |
| 2021-06-27 11:40:58 +0000 | <liskin> | anyway, the important thing is that we still have no idea what's the root cause, and if setting struts is not it, any further discussion about what struts gnome-panel sets is probably going to be unproductive |
| 2021-06-27 11:44:58 +0000 | <Solid> | Well, this is my first direct interaction with a gnome dev, so it's surprising to me :) |
| 2021-06-27 11:55:52 +0000 | tremon | (~tremon@217-63-61-89.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl) |
| 2021-06-27 12:06:47 +0000 | <liskin> | Oh :-) |
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| 2021-06-27 13:32:54 +0000 | PotatoGim_ | (sid99505@id-99505.tooting.irccloud.com) () |
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| 2021-06-27 14:55:44 +0000 | backleet | (~backleet@user/backleet) |
| 2021-06-27 15:02:16 +0000 | nomadx | (~lanomadx@208.91.67.103) |
| 2021-06-27 15:05:12 +0000 | kenny1 | (~kenny@2604:2d80:de02:ee00:80b7:368b:47e:a5ff) |
| 2021-06-27 15:07:17 +0000 | Guest50 | (~Guest50@2604:2d80:de02:ee00:80b7:368b:47e:a5ff) |
| 2021-06-27 15:09:38 +0000 | <kenny1> | Hi everybody! This is uh my first time on the #xmonad IRC channel, but the rest of the comunity has been pretty pleasant so I thought I'd give it a go |
| 2021-06-27 15:10:19 +0000 | Guest50 | (~Guest50@2604:2d80:de02:ee00:80b7:368b:47e:a5ff) (Client Quit) |
| 2021-06-27 15:10:37 +0000 | <Solid> | hi :) |
| 2021-06-27 15:11:17 +0000 | <kenny1> | how long have you been on xmonad? |
| 2021-06-27 15:12:05 +0000 | <Solid> | my config says "First Edit: 28jun2019" and git history only goes back that far, so around that time I think |
| 2021-06-27 15:12:59 +0000 | <kenny1> | Oh wow that's uhhhhhh I can't math, but at least a little while |
| 2021-06-27 15:13:13 +0000 | <nomadx> | god those were the days |
| 2021-06-27 15:13:16 +0000 | <nomadx> | pre covid |
| 2021-06-27 15:13:20 +0000 | <nomadx> | wife still loved me etc |
| 2021-06-27 15:13:36 +0000 | <Solid> | well in comparison to other devs it's not a long time at all :P |
| 2021-06-27 15:13:48 +0000 | <kenny1> | maybe she still does? |
| 2021-06-27 15:13:53 +0000 | <Solid> | some people around here have been using xmonad for over 10 years or so |
| 2021-06-27 15:14:03 +0000 | <kenny1> | oh lord that's a long time |
| 2021-06-27 15:14:19 +0000 | <kenny1> | Is it ever possible to truly learn haskell? |
| 2021-06-27 15:14:26 +0000 | <kenny1> | I feel like they might know |
| 2021-06-27 15:14:51 +0000 | <Solid> | hah, sure |
| 2021-06-27 15:15:01 +0000 | <Solid> | haskell is not as foreign as some people make it out to be (at least imo) |
| 2021-06-27 15:15:32 +0000 | <kenny1> | I mean I'm starting to wrap my mind around it |
| 2021-06-27 15:16:14 +0000 | <kenny1> | just what is it really used for? I heard facebook's spam filter uses it |
| 2021-06-27 15:18:06 +0000 | <Solid> | Lots of companies use it; I think the original creators of xmonad got swallowed by banks |
| 2021-06-27 15:18:37 +0000 | <kenny1> | What do you mean? |
| 2021-06-27 15:18:40 +0000 | <kenny1> | by the bank thing |
| 2021-06-27 15:19:42 +0000 | <geekosaur> | haskell is heavily used in finance. but anyone who gets hired by a bank to do haskell ends up signing an nda that effectively prohibits their working with it outside the bank |
| 2021-06-27 15:20:01 +0000 | <Solid> | ^ |
| 2021-06-27 15:20:38 +0000 | <kenny1> | woah alright |
| 2021-06-27 15:20:53 +0000 | <kenny1> | you learn something new every day huh |
| 2021-06-27 15:21:11 +0000 | nomadx | (~lanomadx@208.91.67.103) (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in) |
| 2021-06-27 15:21:26 +0000 | nomadxx3 | (~lanomadx@208.91.67.103) |
| 2021-06-27 15:21:52 +0000 | nomadxx3 | nomadx |
| 2021-06-27 15:24:14 +0000 | kenny1 | (~kenny@2604:2d80:de02:ee00:80b7:368b:47e:a5ff) (Quit: WeeChat 3.2) |
| 2021-06-27 15:26:04 +0000 | liskin | thinks he'll never truly learn Haskell :-/ |
| 2021-06-27 15:26:49 +0000 | kenny1 | (~kenny@2604:2d80:de02:ee00:80b7:368b:47e:a5ff) |
| 2021-06-27 15:27:07 +0000 | <liskin> | ekmett's packages full of category theory stuff may just be beyond the capabilities of my brain |
| 2021-06-27 15:27:35 +0000 | <Solid> | that's probably mostly you not having the category theory background |
| 2021-06-27 15:27:53 +0000 | <Solid> | (and the fact that these have almost no docs :>) |
| 2021-06-27 15:28:22 +0000 | <liskin> | well I did try to get one :-) |
| 2021-06-27 15:30:08 +0000 | <liskin> | might have tried harder, perhaps made the mistake of not getting a background in set theory first, but it did feel more complex than all the other stuff at uni |
| 2021-06-27 15:30:56 +0000 | <Solid> | it does help to have a mathematics background in general |
| 2021-06-27 15:31:10 +0000 | <Solid> | because like all of the examples come from the rest of mathematics |
| 2021-06-27 15:31:53 +0000 | <Solid> | not necessarily set theory, just like a basic course in abstract algebra would probably help immensely |
| 2021-06-27 15:32:31 +0000 | <liskin> | I definitely did have algebra before that |
| 2021-06-27 15:33:28 +0000 | kenny1 | (~kenny@2604:2d80:de02:ee00:80b7:368b:47e:a5ff) (Quit: WeeChat 3.2) |
| 2021-06-27 15:33:52 +0000 | <liskin> | actually ended up using lattices a lot at work |
| 2021-06-27 15:35:10 +0000 | kenny1 | (~kenny@2604:2d80:de02:ee00:80b7:368b:47e:a5ff) |
| 2021-06-27 15:35:14 +0000 | <Solid> | oh that's pretty cool |
| 2021-06-27 15:35:41 +0000 | <Solid> | I'm trying to remember what I knew back when I took my first category theory course |
| 2021-06-27 15:36:09 +0000 | <Solid> | but I think it was just a bit of group and ring theory, plus some differential geometry |
| 2021-06-27 15:36:25 +0000 | <Solid> | I had not taken a proper set theory/mathematical logic course at that point |
| 2021-06-27 15:37:36 +0000 | Nahra | (~user@static.161.95.99.88.clients.your-server.de) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2021-06-27 15:38:41 +0000 | <liskin> | (we were building a language for analytical queries over databases so that people wouldn't need to care about the structure of tables and joins, the data model was a partial order/DAG, and then the lattice of antichains in that partial order was used for the types of query results) |
| 2021-06-27 15:39:35 +0000 | <liskin> | those were fun times |
| 2021-06-27 15:39:48 +0000 | <Solid> | kind of a bummer that lattices have fallen out of fashion nowadays |
| 2021-06-27 15:39:52 +0000 | <Solid> | not many people studying them anymore |
| 2021-06-27 15:40:25 +0000 | <liskin> | we had a prototype impl in Haskell that I somehow managed to compile for arm and run on the Nokia N900 |
| 2021-06-27 15:40:40 +0000 | <Solid> | what? :D |
| 2021-06-27 15:40:56 +0000 | kenny1 | (~kenny@2604:2d80:de02:ee00:80b7:368b:47e:a5ff) (WeeChat 3.2) |
| 2021-06-27 15:41:03 +0000 | <liskin> | that thing had a 256M RAM and 768M swap |
| 2021-06-27 15:41:19 +0000 | <liskin> | but I think the build involved qemu and a lot more swap :-) |
| 2021-06-27 15:41:41 +0000 | <liskin> | that running on phone thing was done just for shit and giggles |
| 2021-06-27 15:41:50 +0000 | <Solid> | that is absolutely amazing |
| 2021-06-27 15:42:21 +0000 | <liskin> | and to show everyone that a simple implementation can run faster than the old production code with mysql that we were replacing |
| 2021-06-27 15:43:38 +0000 | <liskin> | the prototype ended up being useful for testing as well |
| 2021-06-27 15:44:14 +0000 | <liskin> | I had a quickcheck property that would generate a random query and compute it once using the prototype, and once using a shell script that invoked the prod impl in perl/erlang and run the queries on postgres |
| 2021-06-27 15:44:33 +0000 | kenny1 | (~kenny@2604:2d80:de02:ee00:80b7:368b:47e:a5ff) |
| 2021-06-27 15:44:34 +0000 | <liskin> | it was slow but it would catch most of the corner cases in hours |
| 2021-06-27 15:45:13 +0000 | <liskin> | (the new prod impl, the old one was perl only and we didn't really attempt a bug-for-bug rewrite) |
| 2021-06-27 16:03:02 +0000 | mc47 | (~mc47@xmonad/TheMC47) |
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| 2021-06-27 16:22:01 +0000 | nomadxx3 | nomadx |
| 2021-06-27 16:38:56 +0000 | kenny1 | (~kenny@2604:2d80:de02:ee00:80b7:368b:47e:a5ff) |
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| 2021-06-27 17:46:53 +0000 | <k8[m]> | <liskin "ekmett's packages full of catego"> who is ekmettš¤ |
| 2021-06-27 17:49:45 +0000 | <Solid> | the guy who wrote half of hackage's libraries :) |
| 2021-06-27 17:54:56 +0000 | <k8[m]> | hahah I was about to say I looked the hackage page in awe: https://hackage.haskell.org/user/EdwardKmett |
| 2021-06-27 18:01:25 +0000 | kenny1 | (~kenny@2604:2d80:de02:ee00:80b7:368b:47e:a5ff) (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) |
| 2021-06-27 18:23:47 +0000 | kenny1 | (~kenny@2604:2d80:de02:ee00:80b7:368b:47e:a5ff) |
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| 2021-06-27 18:39:32 +0000 | meowray | (~MaskRay@user/meowray) |
| 2021-06-27 18:40:13 +0000 | <meowray> | weird, no layout works. all windows occupy the whole screen space. the same config works fine on another machine |
| 2021-06-27 18:43:49 +0000 | kenny1 | (~kenny@2604:2d80:de02:ee00:80b7:368b:47e:a5ff) (Quit: WeeChat 3.2) |
| 2021-06-27 18:53:50 +0000 | <geekosaur> | @where paste |
| 2021-06-27 18:53:51 +0000 | <lambdabot> | Help us help you: please paste full code, input and/or output at e.g. https://paste.tomsmeding.com |
| 2021-06-27 18:54:35 +0000 | <meowray> | i even tried a minimal config. no layout - every window occupies the whole space. i even copied the good "xmonad" executable from that working machine - no luck |
| 2021-06-27 18:57:34 +0000 | <geekosaur> | that's odd. any messages in the session error log? (usually something like ~/.xsession-errors, or for startx it'll be the original vt) |
| 2021-06-27 18:58:24 +0000 | <geekosaur> | going Full like that usually mean an exception occurred while processing the layout, but that usually requires something like a font-using layout and the default config doesn't use one |
| 2021-06-27 18:59:57 +0000 | <meowray> | no ~/.xsession-errors ; my xmonad.hs has xmobar and xmobar displays, but all windows occupy the full space thus shadow the xmobar at the bottom. |
| 2021-06-27 19:00:25 +0000 | <meowray> | "mean an exception occurred while processing the layout" - i guess this is what happened to me... |
| 2021-06-27 19:04:22 +0000 | <geekosaur> | default config will do that, and if there's only one window a layout will often behave like Full anyway. you need `docks` from xmonad-config for docks to show |
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| 2021-06-27 23:01:30 +0000 | allbery_b | geekosaur |
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