| 2021-06-05 00:03:53 +0200 | <liskin> | mc47: I've made the leap to dynamicSBs https://github.com/liskin/dotfiles/commit/168775b0fcfb6f8d1c2191e7b868e5b636988401?w=1 :-) |
| 2021-06-05 00:05:15 +0200 | <liskin> | mc47: if you ever see xmobar not getting killed, try this: https://github.com/liskin/xmonad-contrib/commit/80918a1488a3323cb54e1853c0030eec347c16d6 |
| 2021-06-05 00:05:41 +0200 | <liskin> | I don't really know why it happens, but it used to happen here like once a week or something :-/ |
| 2021-06-05 00:11:34 +0200 | geekosaur | (~geekosaur@069-135-003-034.biz.spectrum.com) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2021-06-05 00:12:24 +0200 | geekosaur | (~geekosaur@069-135-003-034.biz.spectrum.com) |
| 2021-06-05 00:16:13 +0200 | <mc47> | liskin that's awesome \o/ |
| 2021-06-05 00:16:21 +0200 | <mc47> | It has been a pretty good week tbh, kudos |
| 2021-06-05 00:17:13 +0200 | <mc47> | I never had the xmobar problem though, it's pretty odd that you have it |
| 2021-06-05 00:17:43 +0200 | <liskin> | it is indeed |
| 2021-06-05 00:18:03 +0200 | <liskin> | more so that I didn't have it for like 5 years |
| 2021-06-05 00:18:14 +0200 | <liskin> | or I don't know how long I had those dynamic bars |
| 2021-06-05 00:18:29 +0200 | <liskin> | and then suddenly one week it started happening |
| 2021-06-05 00:24:03 +0200 | <mc47> | at least it's cool that you can hide the patch inside X.H.StatusBar |
| 2021-06-05 00:25:12 +0200 | <mc47> | and I have to agree with davve, why didn't a 1.x version ever see the light? |
| 2021-06-05 00:25:18 +0200 | <mc47> | is there even a versioning policy? |
| 2021-06-05 00:28:53 +0200 | seschwar | (~seschwar@user/seschwar) (Quit: :wq) |
| 2021-06-05 00:29:00 +0200 | allbery_b | (~geekosaur@069-135-003-034.biz.spectrum.com) |
| 2021-06-05 00:29:04 +0200 | <allbery_b> | habit, I think. we could have gone 1.0 with the 0.9 release |
| 2021-06-05 00:29:08 +0200 | <liskin> | xmonad governance in general is quite chaotic, so no, there's absolutely no versioning policy |
| 2021-06-05 00:30:20 +0200 | geekosaur | (~geekosaur@069-135-003-034.biz.spectrum.com) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) |
| 2021-06-05 00:30:27 +0200 | <liskin> | I wonder why no one ever complained that the X11 library doesn't follow PVP |
| 2021-06-05 00:30:39 +0200 | <mc47> | yeah, it's not like it's a pressing matter |
| 2021-06-05 00:38:15 +0200 | allbery_b | geekosaur |
| 2021-06-05 00:38:27 +0200 | <geekosaur> | I think there's like only one other consumer of X11 |
| 2021-06-05 00:42:43 +0200 | <geekosaur> | enh, packdeps/reverse claims there's a few more that aren't xmonad/xmobar-related |
| 2021-06-05 01:01:13 +0200 | <liskin> | quite a few |
| 2021-06-05 01:12:12 +0200 | <geekosaur> | many of the packages it brings up are things like X11-xft which then only have a few deps. and half the others are dead anyway (who uses bluetile?) |
| 2021-06-05 01:17:33 +0200 | <liskin> | I used it last week :-) |
| 2021-06-05 01:41:34 +0200 | mc47 | (~yecinem@89.246.239.190) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2021-06-05 02:02:35 +0200 | <liskin> | bluetile is cool as a practical demonstration that the floating layer doesn't need to be in core at all |
| 2021-06-05 02:29:02 +0200 | vrs | (~vrs@user/vrs) |
| 2021-06-05 02:35:59 +0200 | novasenco | nova |
| 2021-06-05 03:13:04 +0200 | manju | (~jason@219.88.233.35) (Quit: Konversation terminated!) |
| 2021-06-05 03:45:54 +0200 | geekosaur | (~geekosaur@069-135-003-034.biz.spectrum.com) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) |
| 2021-06-05 04:04:12 +0200 | themainman | (~themainma@user/themainman) (Quit: WeeChat 3.1) |
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| 2021-06-05 05:01:27 +0200 | haasn | (~nand@haasn.dev) |
| 2021-06-05 08:31:11 +0200 | mc47 | (~yecinem@89.246.239.190) |
| 2021-06-05 08:31:27 +0200 | mc47 | (~yecinem@89.246.239.190) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2021-06-05 08:31:51 +0200 | mc47 | (~yecinem@89.246.239.190) |
| 2021-06-05 08:52:39 +0200 | wonko | (~wjc@62.115.229.50) |
| 2021-06-05 10:14:46 +0200 | seschwar | (~seschwar@user/seschwar) |
| 2021-06-05 10:33:52 +0200 | <Industrial[m]> | Hi. How do I increase the workspaces from 9 to 10? (with 0 added) ? |
| 2021-06-05 10:34:31 +0200 | <Industrial[m]> | I want to try `XMonad.Actions.DynamicWorkspaces` for when I need ad-hoc workspaces but I want to show 10 by default :) |
| 2021-06-05 10:35:05 +0200 | Industrial[m] | < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/9d78d8e63b85a4daf09105d213579328a8ad… > |
| 2021-06-05 10:35:49 +0200 | <Solid> | doesn't show how? |
| 2021-06-05 10:35:50 +0200 | Industrial[m] | uploaded an image: (30KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/HFnAPEqAcZTMqgwabyQVUtaG/Screenshot_2… > |
| 2021-06-05 10:36:06 +0200 | <Industrial[m]> | oh, right, in xmobar. |
| 2021-06-05 10:36:34 +0200 | <Industrial[m]> | Hmm. and I want to replace that one soon :) after I'm done with the workspaces |
| 2021-06-05 10:36:40 +0200 | <Solid> | have you restarted xmonad/xmobar? |
| 2021-06-05 10:37:22 +0200 | Industrial[m] | uploaded an image: (52KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/cZNhWCZvepwPMvSMBtFVIpDk/Screenshot_2… > |
| 2021-06-05 10:37:24 +0200 | <Industrial[m]> | yes |
| 2021-06-05 10:37:59 +0200 | <Industrial[m]> | oh, nevermind. It didn't show because I had nothing on it. |
| 2021-06-05 10:38:21 +0200 | <Solid> | :) |
| 2021-06-05 10:39:02 +0200 | <Solid> | If you want to show all workspaces all the time there's a ppHiddenNoWindows (I believe) |
| 2021-06-05 10:41:42 +0200 | wonko | (~wjc@62.115.229.50) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) |
| 2021-06-05 10:43:48 +0200 | rieper | (~riepernet@sxbeta1.geo.uni-leipzig.de) |
| 2021-06-05 10:49:45 +0200 | rieper | (~riepernet@sxbeta1.geo.uni-leipzig.de) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) |
| 2021-06-05 10:52:16 +0200 | rieper | (~riepernet@sxbeta1.geo.uni-leipzig.de) |
| 2021-06-05 10:56:19 +0200 | Industrial[m] | < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/751d0ded6de017e436acffb61b1e1c25995d… > |
| 2021-06-05 10:56:44 +0200 | Industrial[m] | < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/e289b85784af41f656db3a6060f0c7205073… > |
| 2021-06-05 11:01:29 +0200 | <Industrial[m]> | found https://projets.iiens.net/martin2018/xmonad/-/blob/7a59b2eb93cbf7997b422ef4a791cae2bd17f3c9/xmonad… as an example |
| 2021-06-05 11:02:29 +0200 | MrElendig | (~Urist@archlinux/op/MrElendig) (Quit: apparently hetzner is dying) |
| 2021-06-05 11:06:35 +0200 | <Solid> | Industrial[m]: you probably have to put that into your xmobarPP |
| 2021-06-05 11:06:45 +0200 | <Solid> | it's where you define the rest of the pretty-printing stuff |
| 2021-06-05 11:07:00 +0200 | Industrial[m] | < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/8a8e0e3a01ef73b0bb6d3bf1152c42b4cbbe… > |
| 2021-06-05 11:07:23 +0200 | <Solid> | yes, or that :) |
| 2021-06-05 11:07:41 +0200 | <Solid> | btw, `\x -> x` has a name: `id` :) |
| 2021-06-05 11:09:27 +0200 | <Industrial[m]> | Right. The identity function. |
| 2021-06-05 11:11:08 +0200 | MrElendig | (~Urist@archlinux/op/MrElendig) |
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| 2021-06-05 17:34:58 +0200 | evanlai886 | (~evan@61.140.182.70) () |
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| 2021-06-05 18:11:21 +0200 | jg | (~jrgiacone@47.149.222.98) |
| 2021-06-05 18:11:33 +0200 | <jg> | good morning gents :) how's everyone doing? |
| 2021-06-05 18:25:19 +0200 | <jg> | do yall just stick to vim, or are yall emacs users |
| 2021-06-05 18:27:41 +0200 | <geekosaur> | either one depending on circumstances |
| 2021-06-05 18:35:49 +0200 | <jg> | yea I like vim for just a text edditor, but have been messing with emacs in daemon mode and its nearly as fast |
| 2021-06-05 18:36:10 +0200 | <jg> | the buffer is pretty sick too |
| 2021-06-05 18:44:16 +0200 | <jg> | geekosaur, do you think xmonad will always stick on x or if things eventually start shifting to wayland, would there be a transition? |
| 2021-06-05 18:46:00 +0200 | <geekosaur> | there have been a few attempts at an xmonadalike on waylannd, they all fizzled |
| 2021-06-05 18:46:19 +0200 | <geekosaur> | xmonad itself can't even reasonably be retargeted to xcb, much less wayland |
| 2021-06-05 18:53:08 +0200 | <jg> | thanks :) i was curious, is that due to how integrated it currently is with X |
| 2021-06-05 18:54:43 +0200 | samhh | (~samhh@90.252.97.14) |
| 2021-06-05 18:55:24 +0200 | <geekosaur> | xmonad is a very thin layer over xlib, and changing that would essentially break the entire ecosystem |
| 2021-06-05 18:56:11 +0200 | <jg> | could it work with xwayland? |
| 2021-06-05 18:56:38 +0200 | <jg> | i thought that essentually emulates x, but i could be remembering it wrong |
| 2021-06-05 18:58:30 +0200 | <geekosaur> | it does but not enough for window managers |
| 2021-06-05 18:58:40 +0200 | <geekosaur> | wayland window managers have to plug into the compositor |
| 2021-06-05 19:04:35 +0200 | <jg> | not sure if its emacs, but using doom emacs, it does not like a period in the XSelection.hs within the import Codec.Binary.UTF8.String, the period between Binary and UTF, I'm assuming this is nbd and maybe just emacs being weird? |
| 2021-06-05 19:05:56 +0200 | <jg> | it however only flags this within the import XMonad part of xmonad.hs |
| 2021-06-05 19:09:20 +0200 | <jg> | fixed by clearing errors in buffer and resaving, disreguard |
| 2021-06-05 19:19:15 +0200 | jg | (~jrgiacone@47.149.222.98) (Quit: Lost terminal) |
| 2021-06-05 19:21:14 +0200 | samhh | (~samhh@90.252.97.14) (Quit: samhh) |
| 2021-06-05 19:30:06 +0200 | <liskin> | Trying to get xmonad working with xwayland might be a fun exercise, but it's a dead end. Could be a way to get us a few more years of of X though. |
| 2021-06-05 19:31:37 +0200 | wonko | (~wjc@62.115.229.50) |
| 2021-06-05 19:32:03 +0200 | <liskin> | Xwayland is supposed to support having a Wayland compositor, X window manager and only X clients. I don't think any other project does it as it's clearly not a way forward, but I just might make sense for us. Xwayland will definitely be maintained a lot longer than Xorg server. |
| 2021-06-05 20:15:07 +0200 | kajzer | (~themainma@user/themainman) (Quit: WeeChat 3.1) |
| 2021-06-05 20:15:59 +0200 | kajzer | (~themainma@user/themainman) |
| 2021-06-05 21:13:04 +0200 | <pl> | liskin: XWayland definitely doesn't work in any way that would support such operation |
| 2021-06-05 21:34:10 +0200 | <liskin> | pl: you sure? https://wayland.freedesktop.org/docs/html/ch05.html talks about "rootful mode" |
| 2021-06-05 21:34:49 +0200 | <liskin> | I have absolutely no idea if that actually works, I just know that these docs talk about it |
| 2021-06-05 21:35:35 +0200 | <pl> | I have never seen it working, and it seems to essentially open a complete new big window that doesn't interact with anything else (think a bit like typical VNC) |
| 2021-06-05 21:39:59 +0200 | <liskin> | yeah that's why I said it's a dead end, it's not meant to support wayland clients |
| 2021-06-05 21:40:31 +0200 | <liskin> | the only point of even trying to do this is because Xwayland may get a release from the master branch whereas Xorg server is stuck in 1.20.x maintenance releases |
| 2021-06-05 21:40:52 +0200 | <liskin> | it'd still be an X desktop |
| 2021-06-05 21:41:29 +0200 | <liskin> | just not an X server with a wm and an optional compositor, but a mandatory non-restartable compositor with Xwayland and xmonad as a WM |
| 2021-06-05 21:41:42 +0200 | <liskin> | no support for wayland clients at all |
| 2021-06-05 21:57:25 +0200 | <liskin> | but if anyone's ever attempted this and knows that it doesn't work, we shouldn't waste time on it |
| 2021-06-05 21:57:53 +0200 | <liskin> | I feel it might be the kind of thing that people wouldn't even try as it's just silly but it might work nevertheless :-) |
| 2021-06-05 22:03:48 +0200 | <geekosaur> | I don't see much point in it tbh especially if Xwayland doesn't have single window mode or it doesn't work right |
| 2021-06-05 22:12:52 +0200 | jg | (~jrgiacone@47.149.222.98) |
| 2021-06-05 22:13:02 +0200 | <jg> | howdy |
| 2021-06-05 22:17:54 +0200 | mc47 | (~yecinem@89.246.239.190) |
| 2021-06-05 22:19:37 +0200 | <jg> | howdy mc47 |
| 2021-06-05 22:19:46 +0200 | <mc47> | hey! |
| 2021-06-05 22:19:57 +0200 | <mc47> | how's it going? |
| 2021-06-05 22:20:31 +0200 | <jg> | good :) i've been messing with the git version of picom and it runs way better |
| 2021-06-05 22:21:13 +0200 | <liskin> | better compared to what? |
| 2021-06-05 22:21:27 +0200 | <jg> | whatever picom was in the arch repo |
| 2021-06-05 22:21:48 +0200 | <jg> | its got the dual_kawase blur which is pretty sick and experimental backends is significantly smoother |
| 2021-06-05 22:22:07 +0200 | <jg> | https://github.com/yshui/picom |
| 2021-06-05 22:22:08 +0200 | <mc47> | I remember reading that some forks are better than the "official" one |
| 2021-06-05 22:22:48 +0200 | liskin | is running 7.3 which is from before it was renamed to picom and it's like 5× faster than anything newer I ever tried :-/ |
| 2021-06-05 22:23:01 +0200 | <liskin> | but then I'm not using any blur or shadows or any sort of eye candy |
| 2021-06-05 22:23:35 +0200 | <jg> | I like the blurr, but mainly its nice for the animations when openning windows, it gets rid of that little glitch where you see the wallpaper flash |
| 2021-06-05 22:24:26 +0200 | <jg> | it's lowkey necessary for nvidia as well if you play games, because forecomposition pipeline hurts latency noticibly for me |
| 2021-06-05 22:25:05 +0200 | <liskin> | well there's unredir-if-possible for games … |
| 2021-06-05 22:25:37 +0200 | <jg> | yea! thats what i use with picom |
| 2021-06-05 22:25:46 +0200 | <jg> | I meant if you force composition pipeline in nvidia-settings |
| 2021-06-05 22:25:53 +0200 | <jg> | picom is not necessary, however that adds input lag |
| 2021-06-05 22:26:11 +0200 | <jg> | it basically forces vsync on the driver system wide |
| 2021-06-05 22:26:15 +0200 | <liskin> | I never go into nvidia-settings :-) |
| 2021-06-05 22:26:32 +0200 | <jg> | I'm hyped they are adding dlss though to proton |
| 2021-06-05 22:26:58 +0200 | <liskin> | but if it lets me force vsync for games where I don't care about latency that's good to know |
| 2021-06-05 22:27:18 +0200 | <jg> | it does, but for whatever reason I think it increases frametime |
| 2021-06-05 22:27:30 +0200 | <jg> | just enough that 144 feels like 60 |
| 2021-06-05 22:27:32 +0200 | <jg> | its weird |
| 2021-06-05 23:02:30 +0200 | styledash | (~styledash@157.230.173.136) (The Lounge - https://thelounge.chat) |
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| 2021-06-05 23:52:41 +0200 | thedward[m] | (~thedwardm@2001:470:69fc:105::f79) |
