| 2021-03-24 00:02:32 +0100 | poljar1 | (~poljar@93-139-86-101.adsl.net.t-com.hr) |
| 2021-03-24 00:03:48 +0100 | poljar | (~poljar@93-139-86-101.adsl.net.t-com.hr) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2021-03-24 00:06:07 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@83-160-49-249.ip.xs4all.nl) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2021-03-24 00:08:57 +0100 | wonko7 | (~wonko7@45.15.17.60) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) |
| 2021-03-24 00:10:10 +0100 | Raito_Bezarius | (~Raito@unaffiliated/raito-bezarius/x-8764578) |
| 2021-03-24 00:11:32 +0100 | <Axman6> | mo threads, less problems |
| 2021-03-24 00:15:08 +0100 | Franciman | (~francesco@host-79-53-62-46.retail.telecomitalia.it) (Quit: Leaving) |
| 2021-03-24 00:17:15 +0100 | <hpc> | what is the ideal ratio of threads to regexes? |
| 2021-03-24 00:17:38 +0100 | <Axman6> | 1/0:0 |
| 2021-03-24 00:18:06 +0100 | <hpc> | surely that would just mean you have -1/12 problems |
| 2021-03-24 00:18:33 +0100 | <Axman6> | depending on which mathematician you ask, yes |
| 2021-03-24 00:18:44 +0100 | <sclv> | but a regex ain't one! |
| 2021-03-24 00:19:21 +0100 | <sclv> | "if you're having Perl problems I feel bad for you son / I got -1/12 problems but a regex ain't one" |
| 2021-03-24 00:20:06 +0100 | frankdmartinez | (~frankdmar@62.182.99.65) (Quit: frankdmartinez) |
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| 2021-03-24 00:34:47 +0100 | Guest79447 | (~textual@zrcout.mskcc.org) (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) |
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| 2021-03-24 00:51:45 +0100 | royal_screwup21 | (52254809@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.37.72.9) (Quit: Connection closed) |
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| 2021-03-24 00:52:05 +0100 | royal_screwup21 | (52254809@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.37.72.9) |
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| 2021-03-24 00:59:21 +0100 | <MarcelineVQ> | good job today, you |
| 2021-03-24 01:00:04 +0100 | Alleria | (~textual@2603-7000-3040-0000-5092-5f75-2147-b80d.res6.spectrum.com) |
| 2021-03-24 01:00:27 +0100 | Alleria | Guest36287 |
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| 2021-03-24 01:06:00 +0100 | Foritus | (~buggery@cpc91316-watf11-2-0-cust68.15-2.cable.virginm.net) (Quit: ლ(ಠ益ಠლ) .:. <Ashley> my porn is hidden in a folder called "BBC Micro Emulator") |
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| 2021-03-24 01:13:45 +0100 | vgtw_ | vgtw |
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| 2021-03-24 01:38:15 +0100 | royal_screwup21 | (52254809@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.37.72.9) (Quit: Connection closed) |
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| 2021-03-24 01:43:32 +0100 | Foritus | (~buggery@cpc91316-watf11-2-0-cust68.15-2.cable.virginm.net) |
| 2021-03-24 01:43:36 +0100 | <wroathe> | So https://hackage.haskell.org/package/req-3.9.0/docs/Network-HTTP-Req.html#t:Req made the design decision to throw for a non-200 response status code instead of just returning normally. It's been a while since I've haskelled... Could someone remind me what the right way to go about getting this to just return a response normally for all status codes is? |
| 2021-03-24 01:44:10 +0100 | forgottenone | (~forgotten@176.42.23.95) (Quit: Konversation terminated!) |
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| 2021-03-24 01:45:26 +0100 | ddellaco_ | (~ddellacos@ool-44c73afa.dyn.optonline.net) |
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| 2021-03-24 01:48:04 +0100 | unyu | (~pyon@unaffiliated/pyon) |
| 2021-03-24 01:48:19 +0100 | ddellacosta | (~ddellacos@ool-44c73afa.dyn.optonline.net) |
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| 2021-03-24 01:50:28 +0100 | myShoggoth | (~myShoggot@75.164.81.55) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) |
| 2021-03-24 01:51:03 +0100 | <wroathe> | Oh, found it. |
| 2021-03-24 01:51:10 +0100 | <wroathe> | It's httpConfigCheckResponse |
| 2021-03-24 01:51:23 +0100 | Guest_63 | (49f4b23e@c-73-244-178-62.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
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| 2021-03-24 03:24:40 +0100 | solidus-river | (~fuag1@174.127.249.180) |
| 2021-03-24 03:25:10 +0100 | GZJ0X_ | (~gzj@unaffiliated/gzj) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2021-03-24 03:25:17 +0100 | Foritus | (~buggery@cpc91316-watf11-2-0-cust68.15-2.cable.virginm.net) (Quit: ლ(ಠ益ಠლ) .:. <Ashley> my porn is hidden in a folder called "BBC Micro Emulator") |
| 2021-03-24 03:25:20 +0100 | <solidus-river> | hmm i have a [( a -> Bool) ], i want to write a function that takes an a and tests it against the list but earlies out if one is false (like &&) |
| 2021-03-24 03:25:30 +0100 | GZJ0X_ | (~gzj@unaffiliated/gzj) |
| 2021-03-24 03:25:35 +0100 | zebrag | (~inkbottle@aaubervilliers-654-1-109-157.w86-212.abo.wanadoo.fr) (Quit: Konversation terminated!) |
| 2021-03-24 03:25:53 +0100 | zebrag | (~inkbottle@aaubervilliers-654-1-109-157.w86-212.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 2021-03-24 03:26:13 +0100 | Foritus | (~buggery@cpc91316-watf11-2-0-cust68.15-2.cable.virginm.net) |
| 2021-03-24 03:26:30 +0100 | <solidus-river> | oh! maybe i can test this using bottom in ghci |
| 2021-03-24 03:26:44 +0100 | <solidus-river> | couldn't think of a way to test if it was early-out ing or not |
| 2021-03-24 03:26:53 +0100 | <monochrom> | :) |
| 2021-03-24 03:27:48 +0100 | Foritus | (~buggery@cpc91316-watf11-2-0-cust68.15-2.cable.virginm.net) (Client Quit) |
| 2021-03-24 03:29:10 +0100 | <solidus-river> | yep, playing around with that works :) |
| 2021-03-24 03:29:48 +0100 | <monochrom> | Slick spoiler: f a list = all (\p -> p a) list |
| 2021-03-24 03:30:07 +0100 | <monochrom> | "all" has early-out behaviour. |
| 2021-03-24 03:30:34 +0100 | CrazyPython | (~crazypyth@98.122.164.118) |
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| 2021-03-24 03:45:16 +0100 | bobweb | (ac3a116c@172.58.17.108) |
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| 2021-03-24 03:47:14 +0100 | <solidus-river> | oh |
| 2021-03-24 03:47:35 +0100 | <solidus-river> | well, still fun to hack at :) |
| 2021-03-24 03:47:46 +0100 | <solidus-river> | monochrom, thanks! |
| 2021-03-24 03:47:49 +0100 | <bobweb> | Hi. I am this problem: https://paste.tomsmeding.com/1dcB2ieh Please help me to resolve the error and pass quickBatch Applicative. Thank you. |
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| 2021-03-24 03:48:04 +0100 | <monochrom> | Yeah it is valuable to both write your own recursion and try to reuse a library function. |
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| 2021-03-24 03:51:35 +0100 | is_null | (~jpic@pdpc/supporter/professional/is-null) |
| 2021-03-24 03:52:28 +0100 | <monochrom> | In "instance Semigroup a => Semigroup (ZipList' a) where", what is the benefit of "Semigroup a =>"? When do you ever need it? (This is a rhetorical guiding question.) |
| 2021-03-24 03:55:05 +0100 | Foritus | (~buggery@cpc91316-watf11-2-0-cust68.15-2.cable.virginm.net) |
| 2021-03-24 03:55:47 +0100 | <bobweb> | Hi monochrom: Well, I thought it necessary for (<>) (ZipList' x) (ZipList' y) = ZipList' (x <> y). But apparently that is not true! Thank you, I will now meditate on why it's not needed. |
| 2021-03-24 03:56:39 +0100 | <bobweb> | Specifically this part: ZipList' (x <> y) |
| 2021-03-24 03:57:22 +0100 | frankdmartinez | (~frankdmar@62.182.99.65) |
| 2021-03-24 03:57:35 +0100 | <monochrom> | Suppose I'm doing [1,2]<>[3,4], and the intention is merely list concatenation. The answer is [1,2,3,4], not some kind of [1<>2, 3<>4]. Therefore, emphatically I am not doing <> on the elements. |
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| 2021-03-24 03:58:09 +0100 | <bobweb> | You rock, monochrom: |
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| 2021-03-24 03:59:41 +0100 | <monochrom> | OTOH, if I'm asking about [1,2] == [3,4], then in the process I will be asking about 1==2, 3==4. Therefore, I am totally doing == on the elements. This is the only reason why "Eq [a]" requires "Eq a". This is not to be cargo-culted. |
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| 2021-03-24 04:05:11 +0100 | <bobweb> | monochrom: Actually, I have a better answer to your "rhetorical" question. I thought that in order for ZipList' (x <> y) to work, both x and y needed to have instances of Semigroup. Otherwise, why do I bother including the a in instance Semigroup (ZipList' a)? Can you jog my thinking with another good question maybe? |
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| 2021-03-24 04:05:40 +0100 | <monochrom> | What is the type of x again? |
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| 2021-03-24 04:06:17 +0100 | <bobweb> | x is polymorphic; could be anything. |
| 2021-03-24 04:06:24 +0100 | dbmikus | (~dbmikus@cpe-76-167-86-219.natsow.res.rr.com) |
| 2021-03-24 04:06:28 +0100 | <monochrom> | half true half false |
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| 2021-03-24 04:06:54 +0100 | <bobweb> | LOL, now that is truly a Zen answer! |
| 2021-03-24 04:07:23 +0100 | <monochrom> | Here is how you could have performed a simple experiment to refute your hypothesis. |
| 2021-03-24 04:07:47 +0100 | <monochrom> | Is "ZipList' False" valid? Therefore, can x have type Bool? |
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| 2021-03-24 04:08:53 +0100 | <bobweb> | Oh, duh. That's right! It's a list. Yup, tunnel vision, LOL. Thank you, monochrom: |
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| 2021-03-24 04:16:53 +0100 | <slack1256> | Can someone help understand this issue in ghc? https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/issues/19534 , the commenter claims there are allocations on the first core output, but I see no `let` that does that. |
| 2021-03-24 04:20:01 +0100 | <slack1256> | Nevermind, I understand now. |
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| 2021-03-24 04:24:40 +0100 | <monochrom> | This is why I add -ddump-prep in addition to -ddump-simpl. simpl is less clutter, but prep puts back all the let's that simpl doesn't care to spam you with. |
| 2021-03-24 04:24:55 +0100 | RusAlex | (~Chel@unaffiliated/rusalex) |
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| 2021-03-24 04:25:47 +0100 | slack1256 | saves that in his zettel |
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| 2021-03-24 04:28:18 +0100 | z0k | (~user@115.186.169.1) |
| 2021-03-24 04:31:52 +0100 | <slack1256> | Oh, that prints both, tidy-core and CorePrep ! |
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| 2021-03-24 04:33:47 +0100 | <monochrom> | In extreme cases I have -ddump-simpl -ddump-prep -ddump-opt-cmm -ddump-asm in one go. |
| 2021-03-24 04:34:26 +0100 | <monochrom> | And when you do want them all, it is better to request all in one go, so the randomized variable names line up. |
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| 2021-03-24 04:34:55 +0100 | <monochrom> | And -ddump-to-file so I am not spamming stdout/err |
| 2021-03-24 04:34:56 +0100 | <slack1256> | plus -ddump-to-file, otherwise my tmux will swallow some lines. |
| 2021-03-24 04:35:04 +0100 | <monochrom> | Yeah that :) |
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| 2021-03-24 05:21:00 +0100 | Foritus | (~buggery@cpc91316-watf11-2-0-cust68.15-2.cable.virginm.net) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2021-03-24 05:22:09 +0100 | Noldorin | (~noldorin@unaffiliated/noldorin) (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) |
| 2021-03-24 05:22:29 +0100 | molehillish | (~molehilli@2600:8800:8d06:1800:a4ec:e3c6:6b54:caa8) |
| 2021-03-24 05:22:36 +0100 | ezzieyguywuf | (~Unknown@unaffiliated/ezzieyguywuf) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) |
| 2021-03-24 05:24:03 +0100 | darjeeling_ | (~darjeelin@122.245.208.187) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) |
| 2021-03-24 05:26:15 +0100 | <zebrag> | I want to get rid of "represented" in "the representable functor represented by X" while not resorting to notation. And preferably keeping the "first" "representable". |
| 2021-03-24 05:26:54 +0100 | <Axman6> | "the representable functor X"? |
| 2021-03-24 05:26:57 +0100 | toorevitimirp | (~tooreviti@117.182.183.55) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2021-03-24 05:28:10 +0100 | Foritus | (~buggery@cpc91316-watf11-2-0-cust68.15-2.cable.virginm.net) |
| 2021-03-24 05:28:14 +0100 | molehillish | (~molehilli@2600:8800:8d06:1800:a4ec:e3c6:6b54:caa8) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) |
| 2021-03-24 05:28:47 +0100 | Foritus | (~buggery@cpc91316-watf11-2-0-cust68.15-2.cable.virginm.net) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2021-03-24 05:28:48 +0100 | <zebrag> | Not sure I, myself, would understand that, because X being an object... I would be confused for a while |
| 2021-03-24 05:28:59 +0100 | geowiesnot_bis | (~user@87-89-181-157.abo.bbox.fr) |
| 2021-03-24 05:29:16 +0100 | <Axman6> | I don't understand the original sentense so that's the best I can do :) |
| 2021-03-24 05:29:26 +0100 | azure1 | (~azure@103.154.230.130) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) |
| 2021-03-24 05:29:36 +0100 | <zebrag> | thanks |
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| 2021-03-24 05:29:56 +0100 | ezzieyguywuf | (~Unknown@unaffiliated/ezzieyguywuf) |
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| 2021-03-24 05:39:20 +0100 | royal_screwup21 | (52254809@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.82.37.72.9) |
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| 2021-03-24 06:03:37 +0100 | zebrag | (~inkbottle@aaubervilliers-654-1-109-157.w86-212.abo.wanadoo.fr) (Quit: Konversation terminated!) |
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| 2021-03-24 06:20:19 +0100 | fffff | difficultfornore |
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| 2021-03-24 06:44:57 +0100 | average | (uid473595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ngtcmmwtbxjkvcum) |
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| 2021-03-24 09:04:06 +0100 | <bahamas> | if I want to provide a consistent way to print the values of a certain type, how should I do it? I'm thinking it would make sense to implement a Show instance, but are there any libraries or best practices to have in mind? |
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| 2021-03-24 09:04:47 +0100 | <bahamas> | the type I have in mind is a record, but there could also be a tree, where indentation would be involved |
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| 2021-03-24 09:15:38 +0100 | <bahamas> | I see this in the documentation for Show "The result of show is a syntactically correct Haskell expression containing only constants". it sounds like I shouldn't use Show directly, if I want to ommit some of the fields of the record |
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| 2021-03-24 09:20:05 +0100 | <sclv> | correct. show is for things you can "read" |
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| 2021-03-24 09:28:12 +0100 | <ski> | bahamas : `Show' and `Read' are not intended for custom pretty-printing / formatting, or the like |
| 2021-03-24 09:29:03 +0100 | Major_Biscuit | (~Major_Bis@82-169-100-198.biz.kpn.net) |
| 2021-03-24 09:29:11 +0100 | <ski> | make your own function, or perhaps make a type class (or find some suitable one in a package, maybe) |
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| 2021-03-24 09:30:30 +0100 | <bahamas> | ski: any packages I could look at? |
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| 2021-03-24 09:31:20 +0100 | <ski> | i'm not aware of any particular ones (and it probably depends more on what exactly you have in mind, or what your requirements are, what you're trying to do) |
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| 2021-03-24 09:32:25 +0100 | <ski> | i think there's some packages for composably constructing indented pretty-printed things. those might serve as a starting point |
| 2021-03-24 09:32:29 +0100 | <ski> | (can't recall names) |
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| 2021-03-24 09:33:43 +0100 | _flow_ | flow |
| 2021-03-24 09:33:45 +0100 | <ski> | (i vaguely recall reading a paper (a functional pearl, i think), about the design of such a pretty-printing library, that involved vertical composition, horizontal composition, both having an empty document as neutral elements) |
| 2021-03-24 09:34:49 +0100 | difficultfornore | mice-user |
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| 2021-03-24 09:36:30 +0100 | <bahamas> | well, I found a package that sounds simple enough for starters. https://hackage.haskell.org/package/pretty-display-0.1.10/docs/Text-Display.html |
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| 2021-03-24 09:37:16 +0100 | <bahamas> | the library you're talking about sounds familiar (although I don't remember the name). however, I fear it uses too many abstractions, which might not be necessary for what I'm trying to do |
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| 2021-03-24 09:38:28 +0100 | <bahamas> | I have another question. I see some warnings regarding automatic deriving "No deriving strategy specified. Did you want stock, newtype, or anyclass? |
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| 2021-03-24 09:39:01 +0100 | <bahamas> | do I have to specify the strategy on each deriving declaration, or is there a different approach? |
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| 2021-03-24 09:40:49 +0100 | <ski> | <https://downloads.haskell.org/~ghc/latest/docs/html/users_guide/exts/deriving_strategies.html> |
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| 2021-03-24 09:44:02 +0100 | <ski> | i guess the laste paragraph on that page applies in your case, and you then have to explicitly specify the strategies in which there's an ambiguity reported |
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| 2021-03-24 09:48:30 +0100 | <bahamas> | ski: I'm deriving Show and Generic for a record and a sum type |
| 2021-03-24 09:48:42 +0100 | maroloccio_ | (~marolocci@pousada3ja.mma.com.br) |
| 2021-03-24 09:49:01 +0100 | <bahamas> | so none of them are a newtype. I'm assuming the warning shows up, because I have GeneralizedNewtypeDeriving enabled |
| 2021-03-24 09:50:09 +0100 | <bahamas> | ok, this is just a warning, so I'll ignore it for now |
| 2021-03-24 09:51:07 +0100 | <ski> | so the ambiguity is between `stock' and `anyclass', for `Show', i think |
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| 2021-03-24 09:52:34 +0100 | <ski> | hm |
| 2021-03-24 09:54:39 +0100 | <bahamas> | I have a question regarding records and json. I know that one pattern is to prefix each record field to prevent clashes. for example data User = { uName :: Text, uAge :: Int }. but the incoming json is usually { name: "foo", age: 26 }. is there a way to handle this automatically? |
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| 2021-03-24 09:55:55 +0100 | kritzefitz | (~kritzefit@p548c9398.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 2021-03-24 09:56:01 +0100 | <kuribas> | bahamas: the duplicaterecordfields extension |
| 2021-03-24 09:56:38 +0100 | <kuribas> | bahamas: And if you use that, the namedFieldPuns and recordWildCards extensions are very handy. |
| 2021-03-24 09:56:48 +0100 | <kuribas> | Because it makes manipulating records much easier. |
| 2021-03-24 09:56:50 +0100 | thc202 | (~thc202@unaffiliated/thc202) |
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| 2021-03-24 09:57:51 +0100 | frozenErebus | (~frozenEre@94.128.81.87) |
| 2021-03-24 09:58:12 +0100 | <xsperry> | IIRC json will handle it automatically if your field names start with data name. so data User = { userName :: Text, userAge :: Int } |
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| 2021-03-24 09:58:40 +0100 | <kuribas> | bahamas: or alternatively you can also use a conversion function in the genericToJSON |
| 2021-03-24 09:58:53 +0100 | <kuribas> | xsperry: that's not automatic, you need to write it yourself. |
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| 2021-03-24 10:00:07 +0100 | MichaelHoffmannb | (brisadmozi@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-cvnnmjtfpdwpnugh) (Quit: Idle for 30+ days) |
| 2021-03-24 10:00:28 +0100 | <kuribas> | bahamas: https://hackage.haskell.org/package/aeson-1.5.6.0/docs/Data-Aeson.html#v:fieldLabelModifier |
| 2021-03-24 10:00:43 +0100 | <bahamas> | kuribas: yeah. that's my current solution |
| 2021-03-24 10:01:02 +0100 | <kuribas> | bahamas: then what is the question? |
| 2021-03-24 10:01:07 +0100 | <bahamas> | kuribas: that involves copying a JsonUtils file in all projects. I was wondering if someone abstracted this |
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| 2021-03-24 10:01:20 +0100 | <kuribas> | JsonUtils? |
| 2021-03-24 10:01:24 +0100 | <kuribas> | it's part of Aeson |
| 2021-03-24 10:01:33 +0100 | <bahamas> | kuribas: that's just how I named the file |
| 2021-03-24 10:01:40 +0100 | <kuribas> | And how much more abstraction do you want then genericToJSON? |
| 2021-03-24 10:02:06 +0100 | <kuribas> | you can always write, myCustomToJSON = genericToJSON optionOverrides |
| 2021-03-24 10:02:09 +0100 | <bahamas> | kuribas: https://bpa.st/DLGA |
| 2021-03-24 10:02:23 +0100 | <bahamas> | this is my current implementation |
| 2021-03-24 10:03:00 +0100 | <kuribas> | bahamas: and? |
| 2021-03-24 10:03:05 +0100 | <kuribas> | I don't see the problem |
| 2021-03-24 10:03:11 +0100 | <bahamas> | hey, I was just wondering if anybody did this. maybe it's not general enough or maybe it's not worth making a library out of it |
| 2021-03-24 10:03:21 +0100 | <bahamas> | it's ok if that's the case. I just thought I'd ask |
| 2021-03-24 10:03:48 +0100 | Franciman | (~francesco@host-79-53-62-46.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 2021-03-24 10:05:01 +0100 | <kuribas> | that would be very useful IMO... |
| 2021-03-24 10:05:06 +0100 | <kuribas> | wouldn't |
| 2021-03-24 10:05:15 +0100 | <kuribas> | it's fairly easy to implement |
| 2021-03-24 10:06:00 +0100 | wonko7 | (~wonko7@45.15.17.60) |
| 2021-03-24 10:06:03 +0100 | <bahamas> | sure. at the same time, I think the pattern of prefixing labels with lowercase letters is widespread. so it could be an alternative option provided by aeson |
| 2021-03-24 10:06:16 +0100 | <bahamas> | but I don't have strong feelings for this. it's just a thought |
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| 2021-03-24 10:40:47 +0100 | <Mrbuck> | ?? |
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| 2021-03-24 10:43:53 +0100 | <pjb> | Mrbuck: :-) |
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| 2021-03-24 12:28:08 +0100 | <Uniaika> | maralorn: hi! Could you update hlint in nixpkgs to provide v3.3 ? |
| 2021-03-24 12:28:49 +0100 | is_null_ | (~jpic@pdpc/supporter/professional/is-null) |
| 2021-03-24 12:29:08 +0100 | urodna | (~urodna@unaffiliated/urodna) |
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| 2021-03-24 12:30:17 +0100 | <maralorn> | Uniaika: You have found the right person to blame. I am the one who pinned hlint to the older version, because it uses ghc-lib 9.0, but hls does not support that yet. You just want the plain hlint to be 3.3? |
| 2021-03-24 12:30:48 +0100 | <Uniaika> | maralorn: ideally? I was mostly thinking of hlint, not haskellPackage.hlint |
| 2021-03-24 12:31:07 +0100 | <Uniaika> | maralorn: and yes, https://search.nixos.org/packages has listed you as the maintainer :P |
| 2021-03-24 12:31:11 +0100 | malumore | (~malumore@151.62.115.239) |
| 2021-03-24 12:31:24 +0100 | <maralorn> | Uniaika: Oh, I forgot.^^ |
| 2021-03-24 12:31:29 +0100 | <Uniaika> | :-D |
| 2021-03-24 12:31:47 +0100 | <maralorn> | Uniaika: Yeah, okay, I can look into that until fridays merge. |
| 2021-03-24 12:32:05 +0100 | <Uniaika> | <3 |
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| 2021-03-24 13:57:36 +0100 | <timCF> | Hello! Does anybody know, in case where package A has conditional compilation dependent on version of package B, and I'm using package A as dependency in my project, and I do override version of B in my stack.yaml file, will package A respect my overrided version of B, or it will use its own? |
| 2021-03-24 13:58:00 +0100 | <timCF> | I'm talking about usage of CPP extension |
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| 2021-03-24 13:59:33 +0100 | <timCF> | Macro expression like if MIN_VERSION_A(X,Y,Z) ... else ... endif |
| 2021-03-24 14:00:15 +0100 | <edwardk> | timCF: you'll get one copy of any individual lib in a normal build plan, so if you disable feature flags on it, it'll have those features off for all customers. you'll only see MIN_VERSION_foo macros for libs you directly depend on though |
| 2021-03-24 14:00:20 +0100 | <edwardk> | so not sure if that's what you're asking |
| 2021-03-24 14:00:59 +0100 | <edwardk> | if foo depends on bar, and bar has some flag enabled in your stack.yaml or cabal.project, and baz depends on foo then you'll get bar with the flag enabled. |
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| 2021-03-24 14:01:29 +0100 | <edwardk> | but basically cabal internally doesn't have any way to specify this package depends on that package with a given flag set one way or another. |
| 2021-03-24 14:01:39 +0100 | Nahra | (~user@unaffiliated/nahra) |
| 2021-03-24 14:01:40 +0100 | <timCF> | edwardk: that's what I was looking for, thanks! |
| 2021-03-24 14:01:42 +0100 | <edwardk> | other than through the cabal.project or stack.yaml |
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| 2021-03-24 14:02:46 +0100 | <edwardk> | sometimes folks will ship packages with options to remove functionality that isn't commonly needed, e.g. -f-comonad or something, for customers that know they'll never use the comonad instances, but they are generally unsupported configurations |
| 2021-03-24 14:02:53 +0100 | <edwardk> | at least that is my practice |
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| 2021-03-24 15:08:58 +0100 | <gentauro> | edwardk: they do that so you can have faster compile-times? |
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| 2021-03-24 15:16:00 +0100 | <edwardk> | gentauro: yeah |
| 2021-03-24 15:16:40 +0100 | <edwardk> | gentauro: i'll generally take patches that let you conditionally compile without some subset of packages if it cleanly splits out of the api |
| 2021-03-24 15:17:42 +0100 | <edwardk> | then folks who do sandbox builds (or now just cabal v2 builds) or stack builds can benefit by tuning down the sandbox or cabal.project or stack .yaml file to exclude what isn't needed for their application. can be quite useful on CI in particular. |
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| 2021-03-24 15:37:26 +0100 | <romesrf> | hello |
| 2021-03-24 15:38:26 +0100 | <romesrf> | can someone explain/point me to where i can read about what the things in between {} means? newtype Church = Church { unChurch :: ChurchNum } |
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| 2021-03-24 15:40:58 +0100 | <sclv> | romesrf: that's knows as "record syntax" and its in all the standard tutorials and documentation |
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| 2021-03-24 15:45:13 +0100 | <romesrf> | sclv: perfect! record syntax - that was exactly it, i've found nice docs :) |
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| 2021-03-24 16:35:50 +0100 | <romesrf> | and what's the "$" called? |
| 2021-03-24 16:36:43 +0100 | <peanut_> | application |
| 2021-03-24 16:37:22 +0100 | <monochrom> | root of all evil :) |
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| 2021-03-24 16:37:52 +0100 | <romesrf> | monochrom: T_T |
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| 2021-03-24 16:37:58 +0100 | <romesrf> | ahahaha |
| 2021-03-24 16:38:08 +0100 | s00pcan | (~chris@107.181.165.217) |
| 2021-03-24 16:38:09 +0100 | <romesrf> | peanut_: ty |
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| 2021-03-24 16:44:49 +0100 | <marinelli> | hi everyone |
| 2021-03-24 16:45:27 +0100 | <marinelli> | some of you has some experience with TextShow? |
| 2021-03-24 16:49:29 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | romesrf: https://hackage.haskell.org/package/base-4.14.0.0/docs/Prelude.html#v:-36- |
| 2021-03-24 16:50:10 +0100 | geekosaur | (ac3a8f06@172.58.143.6) |
| 2021-03-24 16:53:45 +0100 | Mzg | (Mzg@s1.ct8.pl) |
| 2021-03-24 16:54:19 +0100 | <ij> | I would like to have a "data Foo" data type that could have two different inside of it which should be statically typed. i.e. not either |
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| 2021-03-24 16:54:58 +0100 | <merijn> | ij: What's the problem? |
| 2021-03-24 16:55:01 +0100 | <ij> | writing now |
| 2021-03-24 16:55:13 +0100 | heatsink | (~heatsink@2600:1700:bef1:5e10:b09b:3609:dd4b:42c9) |
| 2021-03-24 16:55:23 +0100 | <ij> | It's going to be a Map Int (Set a) vor a Map Int Int. At one point, I'll go over to Map Int (Set a), because I'll need more information later, but at the beginning I don't need it. |
| 2021-03-24 16:55:57 +0100 | <ij> | the Int in values is going to be the Set size. First I'll just +1 or join (sum) them, later I'll insert elements or join sets |
| 2021-03-24 16:56:29 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | data Foo a where FooCount :: Map Int Int -> Foo Int ; FooSet :: Map Int (Set a) -> Foo (Set a) |
| 2021-03-24 16:56:39 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | or, just, use Map Int Int and Map Int (Set a) directly? |
| 2021-03-24 16:57:17 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | or is the point that you want to write functions that work on both representations? |
| 2021-03-24 16:57:33 +0100 | <ij> | you can have a data with where? |
| 2021-03-24 16:57:40 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | make both types an instance of a typeclass that implements the required functionality? |
| 2021-03-24 16:57:44 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | ij: that Foo I wrote is a GADT |
| 2021-03-24 16:57:57 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | 'data Foo where' is GADT syntax |
| 2021-03-24 16:58:09 +0100 | <ij> | ok, I'd never seen that |
| 2021-03-24 16:58:27 +0100 | <ij> | I'd only seen "data Foo = A | B" without any where clause |
| 2021-03-24 16:58:44 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | it allows you to let the constructor restrict the type parameters |
| 2021-03-24 16:58:46 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | like here |
| 2021-03-24 16:58:54 +0100 | <peanut_> | data Foo a = A | B always create a "Foo a" |
| 2021-03-24 17:00:17 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | ij: I'm not convinced a type class can't solve your problems :) |
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| 2021-03-24 17:00:32 +0100 | Sorny | (~Sornaensi@077213203030.dynamic.telenor.dk) |
| 2021-03-24 17:00:44 +0100 | <ij> | I was thinking that there's going to be a typeclass |
| 2021-03-24 17:00:57 +0100 | <romesrf> | tomsmeding: nice! ty |
| 2021-03-24 17:01:20 +0100 | <ij> | I was trying to program in my head while daydreaming and I was convinced I was missing something |
| 2021-03-24 17:02:04 +0100 | Sornaensis | (~Sornaensi@79.142.232.102.static.router4.bolignet.dk) |
| 2021-03-24 17:03:07 +0100 | <ij> | tomsmeding, could you whip that up in lambdabot? |
| 2021-03-24 17:03:20 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | the type class thing? |
| 2021-03-24 17:03:23 +0100 | <ij> | aha |
| 2021-03-24 17:03:32 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | well the contents of the type class would kind of depend on what you're doing with those types :p |
| 2021-03-24 17:03:59 +0100 | tzh | (~tzh@c-24-21-73-154.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 2021-03-24 17:04:22 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | % class IJthing a where onlySmallOnes :: a -> a |
| 2021-03-24 17:04:23 +0100 | <yahb> | tomsmeding: |
| 2021-03-24 17:04:37 +0100 | Sorna | (~Sornaensi@79.142.232.102) (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) |
| 2021-03-24 17:04:56 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | % instance IJthing (Map Int Int) where onlySmallOnes = M.filter (< 10) |
| 2021-03-24 17:04:56 +0100 | <yahb> | tomsmeding: ; <interactive>:66:19: error:; Not in scope: type constructor or class `Map'; Perhaps you meant `M.Map' (imported from Data.Map) |
| 2021-03-24 17:05:03 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | % instance IJthing (M.Map Int Int) where onlySmallOnes = M.filter (< 10) |
| 2021-03-24 17:05:03 +0100 | <yahb> | tomsmeding: |
| 2021-03-24 17:05:12 +0100 | Sorny | (~Sornaensi@077213203030.dynamic.telenor.dk) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2021-03-24 17:05:16 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | % instance IJthing (M.Map Int (Set a)) where onlySmallOnes = M.filter ((< 10) . Set.size) |
| 2021-03-24 17:05:16 +0100 | <yahb> | tomsmeding: ; <interactive>:68:30: error:; Not in scope: type constructor or class `Set'; Perhaps you meant one of these: `S.Set' (imported from Data.Set), `Seq.Seq' (imported from Data.Sequence); <interactive>:68:79: error:; Not in scope: `Set.size'; Perhaps you meant `S.size' (imported from Data.Set); No module named `Set' is imported. |
| 2021-03-24 17:05:20 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | % instance IJthing (M.Map Int (Set a)) where onlySmallOnes = M.filter ((< 10) . S.size) |
| 2021-03-24 17:05:20 +0100 | <yahb> | tomsmeding: ; <interactive>:69:30: error:; Not in scope: type constructor or class `Set'; Perhaps you meant one of these: `S.Set' (imported from Data.Set), `Seq.Seq' (imported from Data.Sequence) |
| 2021-03-24 17:05:24 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | % instance IJthing (M.Map Int (S.Set a)) where onlySmallOnes = M.filter ((< 10) . S.size) |
| 2021-03-24 17:05:24 +0100 | <yahb> | tomsmeding: |
| 2021-03-24 17:05:40 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | % onlySmallOnes (M.fromList [(1,1), (2,10), (3,5)]) |
| 2021-03-24 17:05:40 +0100 | <yahb> | tomsmeding: ; <interactive>:71:1: error:; * No instance for (IJthing (M.Map Integer Integer)) arising from a use of `it'; * In the first argument of `print', namely `it'; In a stmt of an interactive GHCi command: print it |
| 2021-03-24 17:05:50 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | % onlySmallOnes (M.fromList [(1,1), (2,10), (3,5)] :: M.Map Int Int) |
| 2021-03-24 17:05:50 +0100 | <yahb> | tomsmeding: fromList [(1,1),(3,5)] |
| 2021-03-24 17:06:16 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | % onlySmallOnes (M.fromList [(1,S.fromList [1]), (2,S.fromList [1..10]), (3,S.fromList [1..5])] :: M.Map Int (Set Int)) |
| 2021-03-24 17:06:16 +0100 | <yahb> | tomsmeding: ; <interactive>:73:109: error:; Not in scope: type constructor or class `Set'; Perhaps you meant one of these: `S.Set' (imported from Data.Set), `Seq.Seq' (imported from Data.Sequence) |
| 2021-03-24 17:06:21 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | % onlySmallOnes (M.fromList [(1,S.fromList [1]), (2,S.fromList [1..10]), (3,S.fromList [1..5])] :: M.Map Int (S.Set Int)) |
| 2021-03-24 17:06:21 +0100 | <yahb> | tomsmeding: fromList [(1,fromList [1]),(3,fromList [1,2,3,4,5])] |
| 2021-03-24 17:06:30 +0100 | fendor_ | (~fendor@91.141.1.9.wireless.dyn.drei.com) |
| 2021-03-24 17:06:31 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | ij: okay so ignoring all the errors, something like this :) |
| 2021-03-24 17:06:58 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | where onlySmallOnes is one of the things you want to work for both types |
| 2021-03-24 17:07:25 +0100 | Kaeipi | (~Kaiepi@47.54.252.148) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2021-03-24 17:07:39 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | it would be nice if most of your functionality that you want to share over both types can be expressed in terms of a few, smallish base functions that you can put in the typeclass |
| 2021-03-24 17:07:41 +0100 | <ski> | perhaps MPTC (with FD) or associated types could be an alternative |
| 2021-03-24 17:07:57 +0100 | Kaeipi | (~Kaiepi@47.54.252.148) |
| 2021-03-24 17:08:11 +0100 | tomsmeding | is somewhat confused |
| 2021-03-24 17:08:25 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | what associated type are you thinking about? |
| 2021-03-24 17:08:48 +0100 | fendor | (~fendor@91.141.1.53.wireless.dyn.drei.com) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) |
| 2021-03-24 17:08:58 +0100 | <ski> | associating `Int' with `Map Int Int' and `Set a' with `Map Int (Set a)' |
| 2021-03-24 17:09:00 +0100 | average | (uid473595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mlwtnyrsvtyoarjl) |
| 2021-03-24 17:09:12 +0100 | Kaeipi | (~Kaiepi@47.54.252.148) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2021-03-24 17:09:25 +0100 | <ski> | (iow, not having a single type that have both maps as alternatives) |
| 2021-03-24 17:09:41 +0100 | Kaeipi | (~Kaiepi@47.54.252.148) |
| 2021-03-24 17:09:45 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | or even a type family |
| 2021-03-24 17:09:55 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | I guess the usefulness of that depends on what exactly ij wants to do |
| 2021-03-24 17:09:59 +0100 | <ski> | yea |
| 2021-03-24 17:10:50 +0100 | <ij> | !unabbr FD |
| 2021-03-24 17:11:09 +0100 | <geekosaur> | functional dependency |
| 2021-03-24 17:11:16 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | MPTC = multi-parameter type classes |
| 2021-03-24 17:11:24 +0100 | <ij> | the other one is googleable |
| 2021-03-24 17:11:32 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | fair |
| 2021-03-24 17:12:51 +0100 | <ij> | I think a typeclass should be enough |
| 2021-03-24 17:13:31 +0100 | <ij> | however, if I want to put my "two datas with their instances of a typeclass", i.e. IJThing a => a inside a "data Progress", then I need existential types? |
| 2021-03-24 17:13:59 +0100 | <ski> | do you ? |
| 2021-03-24 17:14:26 +0100 | bahamas | (~lucian@unaffiliated/bahamas) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) |
| 2021-03-24 17:14:31 +0100 | <ij> | I thought I did |
| 2021-03-24 17:14:37 +0100 | <ski> | (also, it would be `IJThing a *> a', since `IJThing a => a' is not that useful) |
| 2021-03-24 17:14:48 +0100 | <ski> | i dunno. i don't know your requirements, what you have in mind |
| 2021-03-24 17:14:58 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | ij: would that 'a' type variable also be a type parameter of 'Progress'? |
| 2021-03-24 17:15:15 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | as in: data Progress a = Progress Something (IJThing a) SomethingElse |
| 2021-03-24 17:15:19 +0100 | <ski> | presumably not (in case it's going to encode an existential) |
| 2021-03-24 17:15:42 +0100 | <ij> | I realized I probably don't need that, I just need the typeclass functions |
| 2021-03-24 17:16:18 +0100 | vicfred | (~vicfred@unaffiliated/vicfred) (Quit: Leaving) |
| 2021-03-24 17:16:28 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | ski: where is (*>) from? |
| 2021-03-24 17:16:35 +0100 | <ij> | I was also wondering |
| 2021-03-24 17:16:45 +0100 | <ski> | do you (a) ever need to be able to accept both alternatives in the same place, and determine which of the alternatives that you got; (b) perhaps only need to accept both in the same place, without needing to do a case distinction ? |
| 2021-03-24 17:16:49 +0100 | <ski> | tomsmeding : no |
| 2021-03-24 17:17:14 +0100 | <geekosaur> | @index (*>) |
| 2021-03-24 17:17:15 +0100 | <lambdabot> | Control.Applicative, Prelude |
| 2021-03-24 17:17:18 +0100 | <ski> | `*>' is to `=>' as `(,)' is to `(->)' as `exists' is to `forall' |
| 2021-03-24 17:17:28 +0100 | <geekosaur> | oh, ski'sspecial syntax again |
| 2021-03-24 17:17:53 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | can you even define that type operator? :p |
| 2021-03-24 17:17:57 +0100 | <ski> | `*>' is pseudo-Haskell syntax that i'm using, usually together with `exists', in order to more efficiently communicate and elucidate about such matters |
| 2021-03-24 17:18:00 +0100 | <ski> | ues |
| 2021-03-24 17:18:02 +0100 | <ski> | yes |
| 2021-03-24 17:18:13 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | with that semantic meaning |
| 2021-03-24 17:18:15 +0100 | <ski> | data cxt *> a = cxt => Wrap a |
| 2021-03-24 17:18:33 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | wait does that work? |
| 2021-03-24 17:18:33 +0100 | <ski> | data cxt *> a where Wrap :: cxt => a -> (cxt *> a) |
| 2021-03-24 17:18:50 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | that's cool |
| 2021-03-24 17:18:51 +0100 | <ij> | ski, (a) no, only one. don't care which, as long as typeclass functions are there (b) don't need cases |
| 2021-03-24 17:18:54 +0100 | <ski> | however, the way i'm using it, informally, it's without an explicit wrapping data constructor |
| 2021-03-24 17:18:56 +0100 | vicfred | (~vicfred@unaffiliated/vicfred) |
| 2021-03-24 17:19:26 +0100 | wroathe | (~wroathe@c-68-54-25-135.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) (Quit: Lost terminal) |
| 2021-03-24 17:19:27 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | I see |
| 2021-03-24 17:19:43 +0100 | <ski> | `T -> (forall a. C a => F a)' is equivalent to `forall a. C a => (T -> F a)' |
| 2021-03-24 17:19:48 +0100 | tomsmeding | always used existentials directly |
| 2021-03-24 17:19:59 +0100 | <ski> | `(exists a. C a *> F a) -> T' is equivalent to `forall a. C a => (F a -> T)' |
| 2021-03-24 17:20:20 +0100 | <ski> | existentials don't exist in Haskell (with extensions), directly |
| 2021-03-24 17:20:20 +0100 | emmanuel_erc | (~user@2603-7000-9600-01c9-0000-0000-0000-0874.res6.spectrum.com) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2021-03-24 17:20:33 +0100 | <ski> | you have to encode them (using one of two encodings, typically) |
| 2021-03-24 17:20:35 +0100 | emmanuel_erc | (~user@2603-7000-9600-01c9-0000-0000-0000-0874.res6.spectrum.com) |
| 2021-03-24 17:20:37 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | data Progress = forall a. IJThing a => Progress Something (IJThing a) SomethingElse |
| 2021-03-24 17:20:40 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | is what I was thinking about |
| 2021-03-24 17:20:44 +0100 | <ski> | (sometimes you can use a recursive type, instead) |
| 2021-03-24 17:20:52 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | you do have to wrap them |
| 2021-03-24 17:20:53 +0100 | <ij> | tomsmeding, right |
| 2021-03-24 17:20:58 +0100 | <ski> | that's the "existential data constructor" encoding |
| 2021-03-24 17:21:07 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | ski: the other being CPS? |
| 2021-03-24 17:21:12 +0100 | <ski> | yea, Church |
| 2021-03-24 17:21:17 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | yeah I see |
| 2021-03-24 17:21:33 +0100 | <ski> | however, note that `exists s. (s,s -> F s)' is `nu s. F s' |
| 2021-03-24 17:22:01 +0100 | <ski> | (just like `forall o. (F o -> o) -> o' is `mu o. F o') |
| 2021-03-24 17:22:37 +0100 | tomsmeding | knows nu and mu are greek letters |
| 2021-03-24 17:22:42 +0100 | <ij> | (I think I'll be able to write it on the weekend now) |
| 2021-03-24 17:22:54 +0100 | <ij> | tomsmeding, ski is light years ahead of me |
| 2021-03-24 17:23:22 +0100 | <ski> | ij : ok, so it sounds like you don't need GADTs, then. try with type classes (probably with FD, if you need to go MPTC. or alternatively with AT. or maybe you could use a type family instead) |
| 2021-03-24 17:23:54 +0100 | idhugo_ | (~idhugo@87-49-147-45-mobile.dk.customer.tdc.net) |
| 2021-03-24 17:24:04 +0100 | <ski> | tomsmeding : `mu' is least fixed-point, `nu' is greatest. `List a = mu r. 1 + a * r'. `Stream a = nu s. a * s' |
| 2021-03-24 17:24:09 +0100 | <ij> | AT being? |
| 2021-03-24 17:24:14 +0100 | conal | (~conal@64.71.133.70) |
| 2021-03-24 17:24:16 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | associated types |
| 2021-03-24 17:24:18 +0100 | <ski> | Associated Types |
| 2021-03-24 17:24:26 +0100 | <ij> | 🧐 |
| 2021-03-24 17:24:33 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | modulo capitalisation |
| 2021-03-24 17:24:50 +0100 | <ski> | Haskell blurs the distinction, by allowing infinite values everywhere. (e.g. `List a') |
| 2021-03-24 17:25:39 +0100 | <ski> | tomsmeding : `cata :: Functor f => (f o -> o) -> (Mu f -> o)' and `ana :: Functor f => (s -> f s) -> (s -> Nu f)' |
| 2021-03-24 17:25:40 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | what whould `nu r. 1 + a * r' be? |
| 2021-03-24 17:25:55 +0100 | <ski> | type of potentially finite streams |
| 2021-03-24 17:26:06 +0100 | <ski> | (iow, not necessarily infinite) |
| 2021-03-24 17:26:26 +0100 | Neuromancer | (~Neuromanc@unaffiliated/neuromancer) |
| 2021-03-24 17:26:52 +0100 | howdoi | (uid224@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uvokrbifiycmuqdg) |
| 2021-03-24 17:26:55 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | right, so mu and nu are respectively the smallest and largest types such that the given algebraic equality holds? |
| 2021-03-24 17:26:56 +0100 | <ski> | the idea is that with `mu', we're expecting "finite depth" (if we're talking trees, we could still e.g. have infinite width, infinite branching, but each branch would be of finite depth) |
| 2021-03-24 17:26:58 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | sort-of |
| 2021-03-24 17:27:08 +0100 | <ski> | yea |
| 2021-03-24 17:27:25 +0100 | wroathe | (~wroathe@c-68-54-25-135.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 2021-03-24 17:28:10 +0100 | apeyroux | (~alex@78.20.138.88.rev.sfr.net) |
| 2021-03-24 17:28:30 +0100 | <ski> | e.g. `length' only terminates, for finite lists. so it's a partial function, if we're considering the type also including the infinite ones. but if we're only considering the subtype with the finite ones (which is not expressible in Haskell, so it has to be in our heads, and perhaps on paper proofs, &c.), then it's total |
| 2021-03-24 17:28:48 +0100 | tomsmeding | nods |
| 2021-03-24 17:29:02 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | I don't completely follow your exists<->nu and forall<->mu equivalences though |
| 2021-03-24 17:29:14 +0100 | <ski> | @type unfoldr |
| 2021-03-24 17:29:16 +0100 | <lambdabot> | (b -> Maybe (a, b)) -> b -> [a] |
| 2021-03-24 17:29:19 +0100 | <maralorn> | Uniaika: Bumping hlint was only a minor headache (ghc-lib-parser compiles quite slow), but it is updated now and will be merged into master on friday. |
| 2021-03-24 17:29:50 +0100 | <ski> | this is `(s -> Maybe (a,s)) -> (s -> nu s. Maybe (a,s))' -- generating a possibly-finite stream |
| 2021-03-24 17:30:02 +0100 | <ij> | ski, what kind of mathematics is this? |
| 2021-03-24 17:30:59 +0100 | <ski> | by recursively expanding each "seed"/"state" `s' (starting with the initially given one), we can eliminate all of them, getting a (possibly) infinite-depth result, a (co)recursive, coinductive data type |
| 2021-03-24 17:31:15 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | right |
| 2021-03-24 17:31:37 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | would 'mu r. a * r = nu r. a * r' ? |
| 2021-03-24 17:31:39 +0100 | chele | (~chele@ip5b40237d.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2021-03-24 17:32:04 +0100 | <ski> | s >---> F s >---> F (F s) >---> F (F (F s)) >---> ... >-> F (F (F (F (...))) = nu s. F s |
| 2021-03-24 17:32:19 +0100 | <ij> | corecursion sounds like parsing |
| 2021-03-24 17:33:13 +0100 | <ski> | mu r. F r = F (F (F (F (...))) >---> ... >---> F (F (F r)) >---> F (F r) >---> F r >---> r |
| 2021-03-24 17:33:26 +0100 | <ski> | that's what `ana' and `cata' does |
| 2021-03-24 17:33:43 +0100 | <peanut_> | 🤔 |
| 2021-03-24 17:34:00 +0100 | <ski> | tomsmeding : no. `mu r. a * r' would be `0' |
| 2021-03-24 17:34:01 +0100 | emmanuel_erc | (~user@2603-7000-9600-01c9-0000-0000-0000-0874.res6.spectrum.com) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2021-03-24 17:34:12 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | lol |
| 2021-03-24 17:34:13 +0100 | emmanuel_erc | (~user@2603-7000-9600-01c9-0000-0000-0000-0874.res6.spectrum.com) |
| 2021-03-24 17:34:19 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | I guess it satisfies the relation indeed |
| 2021-03-24 17:34:20 +0100 | <ski> | with no starting points to generate from, you can't get off the ground |
| 2021-03-24 17:34:48 +0100 | <ski> | ij : algebra / coalgebra |
| 2021-03-24 17:35:16 +0100 | <siraben> | I wish Algebra of Programming went into coalgebras more |
| 2021-03-24 17:35:23 +0100 | <siraben> | they only talked about least fixed points of functors which is Mu |
| 2021-03-24 17:36:18 +0100 | son0p | (~son0p@181.136.122.143) |
| 2021-03-24 17:36:46 +0100 | <siraben> | IIRC there was some comprehensive overview bringing algebras, coalgebras and program calculation together |
| 2021-03-24 17:36:54 +0100 | jamm_ | (~jamm@unaffiliated/jamm) |
| 2021-03-24 17:36:55 +0100 | <siraben> | Ah yes, https://www.springer.com/gp/book/9783540436133 |
| 2021-03-24 17:37:23 +0100 | <siraben> | ski: if Hask is not a category, what should one use to analyze Haskell programs? Does CCC suffice? |
| 2021-03-24 17:38:05 +0100 | <sclv> | one uses Hask |
| 2021-03-24 17:38:10 +0100 | kritzefitz | (~kritzefit@2003:5b:203b:200::10:49) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2021-03-24 17:38:18 +0100 | <sclv> | actual haskell doesn't correspond quite to Hask, but the total fragment does |
| 2021-03-24 17:38:20 +0100 | ski | . o O ( "A Tutorial on (Co)Algebras and (Co)Induction" by Bart Jacobs,Jan Rutten in 1997 at <https://www.cs.ru.nl/B.Jacobs/PAPERS/JR.pdf> ) |
| 2021-03-24 17:38:59 +0100 | <sclv> | so people do proofs in the total fragment and then make ad hoc arguments about how they extend to the language with partiality |
| 2021-03-24 17:39:02 +0100 | <siraben> | ski: thanks for the reference. |
| 2021-03-24 17:39:06 +0100 | heatsink_ | (~heatsink@107-136-5-69.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 2021-03-24 17:39:08 +0100 | <siraben> | Coalgebras should be given just as much weight! |
| 2021-03-24 17:39:14 +0100 | <ski> | yes |
| 2021-03-24 17:39:33 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | ski: I think I get the feeling, but I need to digest a bit more. Thanks for the intro :) |
| 2021-03-24 17:39:34 +0100 | <ski> | coalgebras are related to state machines, dynamical systems, objects (in the sense of object-orientation) |
| 2021-03-24 17:39:43 +0100 | <siraben> | sclv: something like "Fast and Loose Reasoning is Morally Correct" https://www.cs.ox.ac.uk/jeremy.gibbons/publications/fast+loose.pdf ? |
| 2021-03-24 17:39:54 +0100 | <sclv> | people have speculated about a sort of enriched notion of a category where you might do everything directly (with partiality baked into the arrows) but its never been adequately worked out |
| 2021-03-24 17:40:01 +0100 | <sclv> | siraben: yeah, basically |
| 2021-03-24 17:40:02 +0100 | <siraben> | ski: how does bisimulation fit into the picture? |
| 2021-03-24 17:40:12 +0100 | <ski> | (it's no coincidence that existentials often comes up when people are doing some kind of OO-like stuff) |
| 2021-03-24 17:40:36 +0100 | <sclv> | bisimulation is an equality relation one can use for coinductive stuff, which can be used in some proofs |
| 2021-03-24 17:40:36 +0100 | emmanuel_erc | (~user@2603-7000-9600-01c9-0000-0000-0000-0874.res6.spectrum.com) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2021-03-24 17:40:47 +0100 | emmanuel_erc | (~user@2603-7000-9600-01c9-0000-0000-0000-0874.res6.spectrum.com) |
| 2021-03-24 17:40:53 +0100 | <ski> | siraben : behavioural equivalence of objects or processes. related to coinduction in some not totally obvious way |
| 2021-03-24 17:40:59 +0100 | <sclv> | the other thing i'm fond of is clocked/guarded recursive type theory |
| 2021-03-24 17:41:15 +0100 | <siraben> | I see. |
| 2021-03-24 17:41:22 +0100 | jamm_ | (~jamm@unaffiliated/jamm) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2021-03-24 17:41:26 +0100 | <sclv> | so one can work in a language with richer typing (a guarded delay modality) and project the proofs down to a system lacking them |
| 2021-03-24 17:41:26 +0100 | heatsink | (~heatsink@2600:1700:bef1:5e10:b09b:3609:dd4b:42c9) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) |
| 2021-03-24 17:41:32 +0100 | <siraben> | btw sclvare you a researcher? |
| 2021-03-24 17:41:53 +0100 | <sclv> | sporadically, i'm really more in industry, but i try to keep up |
| 2021-03-24 17:41:55 +0100 | <ski> | anyway, above, each `F' could be thought of as a "layer" in a data structure. with `ana', you're building up layers. with `cata', you're tearing them down |
| 2021-03-24 17:42:05 +0100 | <siraben> | oh, very nice. |
| 2021-03-24 17:42:39 +0100 | Merfont | (~Kaiepi@47.54.252.148) |
| 2021-03-24 17:43:17 +0100 | <ski> | for termination, `cata' assumes that all paths/branches are finite (but they be of unbounded depth, e.g. in the infinitely-wide tree case). while `ana' assumes that you'll only ever inspect a path to finite depth (or else you'd not get progress) |
| 2021-03-24 17:43:41 +0100 | <ski> | (s/they be/they could be/) |
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| 2021-03-24 17:44:37 +0100 | LKoen | (~LKoen@194.250.88.92.rev.sfr.net) |
| 2021-03-24 17:44:39 +0100 | <ski> | inductive data types are associated with termination, and coinductive are associated with progress. as in a server eventually making progress, not getting stuck, while still potentially never terminating |
| 2021-03-24 17:44:50 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | cool! |
| 2021-03-24 17:45:25 +0100 | <ski> | (in general, in total programming, one would commonly use "termination" (or "termination and progress") as an umbrella term for both) |
| 2021-03-24 17:45:33 +0100 | dbmikus | (~dbmikus@cpe-76-167-86-219.natsow.res.rr.com) |
| 2021-03-24 17:45:55 +0100 | <ski> | if you have a `Stream a' (infinite depth), you can inspect it with a `Nat' (finite depth), and you'll terminate |
| 2021-03-24 17:46:15 +0100 | <ski> | if you attempted to inspect it with an "infinite natural" (`inf = Succ inf'), you'd not terminate |
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| 2021-03-24 17:49:45 +0100 | <siraben> | How would you ensure a long lived process such as a server doesn't get stuck? |
| 2021-03-24 17:50:21 +0100 | idhugo_ | (~idhugo@87-49-147-45-mobile.dk.customer.tdc.net) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) |
| 2021-03-24 17:50:49 +0100 | <monochrom> | That sounds very broad. But most causes of deadlocks are well known, so "just don't do that". |
| 2021-03-24 17:50:57 +0100 | <ski> | there are also coalgebras in (non-CS related) math. e.g. "comonoids in a monoidal category" (confusingly, usually (it seems) called just "coalgebras", <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalgebra>, specifically in the monoidal category of vector spaces, with tensor multiplication) |
| 2021-03-24 17:51:53 +0100 | <davean> | siraben: my question is "How could it possibly get stuck?" |
| 2021-03-24 17:53:15 +0100 | <ski> | (dolio recently linked to the talk "Coalgebra in Continuous Mathematics" by Larry Moss in 2020 at <https://youtu.be/XqywV-wkKSE?t=2486>) |
| 2021-03-24 17:53:47 +0100 | <siraben> | I mean, would that entail modeling the server as a stream that is always productive? |
| 2021-03-24 17:54:16 +0100 | <ski> | siraben : ensure that all subdivisions of its evolution, that involves at least one interaction with the environment, terminates ? |
| 2021-03-24 17:54:34 +0100 | <ski> | yes |
| 2021-03-24 17:54:55 +0100 | <ski> | (or perhaps in some other way, that implies such a modelling would be possible) |
| 2021-03-24 17:56:42 +0100 | werneta | (~werneta@70-142-214-115.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) |
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| 2021-03-24 17:57:53 +0100 | ski | . o O ( "Hask is not a category" by Andrej Bauer in 2016-08-06 at <http://math.andrej.com/2016/08/06/hask-is-not-a-category/> ) |
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| 2021-03-24 17:59:01 +0100 | <Uniaika> | maralorn: great, thanks :) |
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| 2021-03-24 18:17:44 +0100 | <hololeap> | class Divisible f => Decidable f where ; lose :: (a -> Void) -> f a ; choose :: (a -> Either b c) -> f b -> f c -> f a |
| 2021-03-24 18:18:01 +0100 | <hololeap> | the intuition for choose is pretty obvious, but i don't understand the intuition for lose |
| 2021-03-24 18:20:23 +0100 | <hololeap> | "give me a function that takes 'a' and returns Void, and i'll give you 'a -> ByteString'" (for instance) |
| 2021-03-24 18:20:59 +0100 | hexfive | (~hexfive@50.35.83.177) |
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| 2021-03-24 18:21:30 +0100 | <ski> | iirc, when you find yourself in an impossible case, in your divide-and-conquer |
| 2021-03-24 18:21:30 +0100 | <Franciman> | (a -> Void) means like, give me something false |
| 2021-03-24 18:21:35 +0100 | <Franciman> | and I will assert that it is false |
| 2021-03-24 18:21:36 +0100 | <Franciman> | ? |
| 2021-03-24 18:21:36 +0100 | <Franciman> | lol |
| 2021-03-24 18:22:26 +0100 | <monochrom> | Looks to me f is a contravariant functor. |
| 2021-03-24 18:22:40 +0100 | <ski> | yes |
| 2021-03-24 18:23:20 +0100 | <monochrom> | (a->Void) -> (a->ByteString) isn't that far-fetched |
| 2021-03-24 18:23:32 +0100 | <Franciman> | it would be |
| 2021-03-24 18:23:35 +0100 | <Franciman> | f :: a -> Void |
| 2021-03-24 18:23:38 +0100 | stree | (~stree@68.36.8.116) |
| 2021-03-24 18:23:39 +0100 | <Franciman> | efq :: Void -> b |
| 2021-03-24 18:23:45 +0100 | <Franciman> | efq . f :: a -> b |
| 2021-03-24 18:23:46 +0100 | <ski> | <https://hackage.haskell.org/package/contravariant-1.5.3/docs/Data-Functor-Contravariant-Divisible.…> |
| 2021-03-24 18:23:54 +0100 | <hololeap> | efq? |
| 2021-03-24 18:24:01 +0100 | <hololeap> | i thought that function was called absurd |
| 2021-03-24 18:25:21 +0100 | <hololeap> | anyway, i suppose it makes sense in a bizarre way. there's no way to construct 'f', thus nothing that can be passed into 'lose' |
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| 2021-03-24 18:25:54 +0100 | <hololeap> | or i suppose 'f' could be 'const undefined' |
| 2021-03-24 18:25:57 +0100 | <monochrom> | "you have nothing to lose" |
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| 2021-03-24 18:26:21 +0100 | <monochrom> | Ah but a=Void is possible |
| 2021-03-24 18:26:46 +0100 | <monochrom> | lose (id :: Void -> Void) is possible. |
| 2021-03-24 18:27:59 +0100 | <ski> | you might have a case-splitting where you'll later discover that one of the cases is impossible. i'm guessing that would be one main use of `lose' |
| 2021-03-24 18:28:01 +0100 | <monochrom> | I think you keep forgetting that f is a contravariant functor. "sx :: f a" does not mean that sx produces an 'a' value or else bottoms out. |
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| 2021-03-24 18:30:19 +0100 | <hololeap> | regardless of it being a contravariant functor, it seems to me the only possibilities for 'f' would be 'const undefined' or 'id' |
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| 2021-03-24 18:30:50 +0100 | <monochrom> | Is "const" a term? a type? |
| 2021-03-24 18:31:18 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@83-160-49-249.ip.xs4all.nl) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) |
| 2021-03-24 18:31:39 +0100 | <peanut_> | :t const |
| 2021-03-24 18:31:41 +0100 | <lambdabot> | a -> b -> a |
| 2021-03-24 18:31:46 +0100 | <shapr> | :t Const |
| 2021-03-24 18:31:48 +0100 | <lambdabot> | forall k a (b :: k). a -> Const a b |
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| 2021-03-24 18:32:09 +0100 | <hololeap> | i'm talking about 'const :: a -> b -> a' from Prelude |
| 2021-03-24 18:32:16 +0100 | <monochrom> | So, term. |
| 2021-03-24 18:32:21 +0100 | <hololeap> | :t const undefined |
| 2021-03-24 18:32:22 +0100 | <lambdabot> | b -> a |
| 2021-03-24 18:32:22 +0100 | <monochrom> | Is f a term? a type? |
| 2021-03-24 18:32:51 +0100 | <hololeap> | 'f' is a term, the function that you pass into 'lose' from Data.Functor.Contravariant.Divisible |
| 2021-03-24 18:33:28 +0100 | <monochrom> | If f is a term, what does "(a -> Either b c) -> f b -> f c -> f a" mean? |
| 2021-03-24 18:33:35 +0100 | s00pcan | (~chris@107.181.165.217) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) |
| 2021-03-24 18:33:51 +0100 | <hololeap> | i'm not talking about that 'f'. different 'f' |
| 2021-03-24 18:33:52 +0100 | <ski> | hololeap : `void :: forall a. Void -> a; void v = case v of {}' would fit the bill, no ? (no `undefined' in sight !) |
| 2021-03-24 18:34:25 +0100 | augnun | (~augnun@2804:14c:658b:41bb:9d27:655f:eef9:d872) |
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| 2021-03-24 18:34:59 +0100 | <ski> | @kind Const |
| 2021-03-24 18:35:00 +0100 | <lambdabot> | * -> k -> * |
| 2021-03-24 18:35:25 +0100 | <hololeap> | lose :: (a -> Void) -> f a ; lose f = ... |
| 2021-03-24 18:36:08 +0100 | dbmikus | (~dbmikus@cpe-76-167-86-219.natsow.res.rr.com) |
| 2021-03-24 18:36:29 +0100 | <monochrom> | Do you mind not using the same name "f" for two different things? |
| 2021-03-24 18:37:16 +0100 | <hololeap> | ok. this is just how the documentation names things, and also how Franciman named it when i first asked |
| 2021-03-24 18:37:34 +0100 | <monochrom> | Fine. |
| 2021-03-24 18:38:24 +0100 | <ski> | so `lose' will only be called with an `f' like `id' or `void', assuming no bottoms. so in that case `a' must be something like `Void'. possibly `Int :~: Bool' or some other vacuous of of a GADT |
| 2021-03-24 18:38:44 +0100 | <monochrom> | "lose" is a class method. You're now talking implementing it. So you are talking writing "instance Decidable AnActualType where ...". What do you propose for AnActualType? Or would you want me to propose one? |
| 2021-03-24 18:38:58 +0100 | <ski> | so, when `lose' is called, you know that there are no (total) elements of `a', which you can then use to successfully build an `f a' for your `f' |
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| 2021-03-24 18:40:11 +0100 | <ski> | (perhaps `f a' does contain some other useful information, apart from a component that takes in an `a', that will be trivial in this case, calling `f' (and then `void'/`absurd', possibly) |
| 2021-03-24 18:40:15 +0100 | <ski> | ) |
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| 2021-03-24 18:40:37 +0100 | <hololeap> | monochrom: in the documentation, it uses 'newtype Serializer a = Serializer { runSerializer :: a -> ByteString }'. this is the instance of Decidable i was using conceptually |
| 2021-03-24 18:41:48 +0100 | <monochrom> | So lose :: (a->Void) -> Serializer a. Morally, (a->Void)->(a->Bytestring). I think you know the answer now. |
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| 2021-03-24 18:43:43 +0100 | <hololeap> | i wasn't looking for an "answer", i was looking for help developing an intuition as to when 'lose' would be used and why it's included in the class. |
| 2021-03-24 18:44:09 +0100 | hololeap | will ponder what ski said |
| 2021-03-24 18:44:19 +0100 | <c_wraith> | you'd use it to erase a case that can't happen |
| 2021-03-24 18:44:48 +0100 | <c_wraith> | that's what acting as an identity to choose implies |
| 2021-03-24 18:45:11 +0100 | <ski> | @type either absurd |
| 2021-03-24 18:45:13 +0100 | <lambdabot> | (b -> c) -> Either Void b -> c |
| 2021-03-24 18:45:18 +0100 | <ski> | @type either absurd id |
| 2021-03-24 18:45:20 +0100 | <lambdabot> | Either Void c -> c |
| 2021-03-24 18:46:04 +0100 | <hololeap> | thanks everyone. i need some time to let this sink in |
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| 2021-03-24 18:49:26 +0100 | ski | . o O ( `onlyFromRight :: Either Void a -> a; onlyFromRight = either void id' ) |
| 2021-03-24 18:49:29 +0100 | <ski> | @type fromRight |
| 2021-03-24 18:49:31 +0100 | <lambdabot> | b -> Either a b -> b |
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| 2021-03-24 18:53:10 +0100 | ski | . o O ( `onlySnd :: ((),a) -> a; onlySnd ((),a) = a' ) |
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| 2021-03-24 19:07:23 +0100 | <hololeap> | ski: "... you know that there are no (total) elements of `a' ..." what do you mean by total elements? |
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| 2021-03-24 19:15:04 +0100 | <hololeap> | is this part of the idea that Hask has an extra 'bottom' element for every type? |
| 2021-03-24 19:15:09 +0100 | juri_ | (~juri@212.86.35.86) |
| 2021-03-24 19:15:26 +0100 | <hololeap> | so Void isn't quite devoid of elements? |
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| 2021-03-24 19:22:38 +0100 | <maerwald> | how do you convert ByteArray# to a ByteString? |
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| 2021-03-24 19:28:03 +0100 | apeyroux | (~alex@78.20.138.88.rev.sfr.net) |
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| 2021-03-24 19:28:31 +0100 | <ski> | hololeap : `undefined'/`_|_' and `2 : undefined'/`2 : _|_' being partial (not total) elements of `[Integer]' |
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| 2021-03-24 19:28:46 +0100 | <ski> | hololeap : yes |
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| 2021-03-24 19:36:52 +0100 | <monochrom> | maerwald: Looks like copying is unavoidable because ByteString uses ForeignPtr Word8. |
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| 2021-03-24 19:37:50 +0100 | <monochrom> | And possibly manual coding up that copying, at that. |
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| 2021-03-24 20:05:20 +0100 | <maerwald> | monochrom: https://hackage.haskell.org/package/bytestring-0.11.1.0/docs/Data-ByteString-Short.html#t:ShortByt… |
| 2021-03-24 20:05:22 +0100 | <maerwald> | ah... |
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| 2021-03-24 20:06:57 +0100 | <maerwald> | SBS... that was easy |
| 2021-03-24 20:07:06 +0100 | jamm_ | (~jamm@unaffiliated/jamm) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) |
| 2021-03-24 20:07:19 +0100 | <monochrom> | heh |
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| 2021-03-24 20:13:19 +0100 | <maerwald> | except there's no conversion from ShortByteString to Text |
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| 2021-03-24 20:21:42 +0100 | <maerwald> | so from ByteArray to String would be copying twice afais |
| 2021-03-24 20:22:06 +0100 | Lycurgus | (~niemand@98.4.119.196) |
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| 2021-03-24 20:25:31 +0100 | <codygman__> | This is interesting. A custom quasi quoter using TH.dataToExpQ crashes haskell-language server with `m32_allocator_init: Failed to map` on8.10.4: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-language-server/issues/1497#issuecomment-806070162 |
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| 2021-03-24 20:25:57 +0100 | zebrag | (~inkbottle@aaubervilliers-654-1-109-157.w86-212.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 2021-03-24 20:26:36 +0100 | elfets | (~elfets@ip-37-201-23-96.hsi13.unitymediagroup.de) |
| 2021-03-24 20:26:51 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | maerwald: what's your final goal? ByteArray# to Text where each byte is interpreted as Latin-1? Or the whole thing interpreted as UTF-? ? |
| 2021-03-24 20:27:11 +0100 | dolio | (~dolio@haskell/developer/dolio) |
| 2021-03-24 20:27:15 +0100 | <maerwald> | tomsmeding: ByteArray# to String, decoded as Utf16LE |
| 2021-03-24 20:27:26 +0100 | <maerwald> | which is two copies |
| 2021-03-24 20:28:00 +0100 | <maerwald> | `T.pack . E.decodeUtf16LE . B.fromShort . B.SBS` |
| 2021-03-24 20:28:13 +0100 | conal | (~conal@64.71.133.70) (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.) |
| 2021-03-24 20:28:15 +0100 | <maerwald> | I'm not satisfied |
| 2021-03-24 20:28:21 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | T.unpack? |
| 2021-03-24 20:29:04 +0100 | <maerwald> | what? |
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| 2021-03-24 20:29:15 +0100 | <geekosaur> | your T.pack seems wrong |
| 2021-03-24 20:29:16 +0100 | emmanuel_erc | (~user@2603-7000-9600-01c9-0000-0000-0000-0874.res6.spectrum.com) |
| 2021-03-24 20:29:26 +0100 | <maerwald> | yeah |
| 2021-03-24 20:29:33 +0100 | apeyroux | (~alex@78.20.138.88.rev.sfr.net) |
| 2021-03-24 20:29:38 +0100 | <geekosaur> | it's already packed after E.decode16LE |
| 2021-03-24 20:29:39 +0100 | augnun | (~augnun@2804:14c:658b:41bb:9d27:655f:eef9:d872) (Quit: WeeChat 3.1) |
| 2021-03-24 20:31:04 +0100 | <maerwald> | yes, T.unpack is O(n) :) |
| 2021-03-24 20:31:17 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | maerwald: if you're feeling adventurous, this function (which is the backend of E.decodeUtf16LE) looks readily convertible to something that uses SBS.index and (:) https://hackage.haskell.org/package/text-1.2.4.1/docs/src/Data.Text.Internal.Encoding.Fusion.html#… |
| 2021-03-24 20:31:46 +0100 | stree | (~stree@68.36.8.116) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) |
| 2021-03-24 20:33:17 +0100 | <monochrom> | If you can find a utf16 decoder that goes from ByteString to String, you will save one level of marshalling. |
| 2021-03-24 20:33:56 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | replace 'Yield c i' with 'c : next i', replace 'Done' with '[]', remove the 'Stream next 0' prefix, replace 'B.unsafeIndex' with 'SBS.index' |
| 2021-03-24 20:34:01 +0100 | <monochrom> | Currently you are unhappy with T.unpack because the decoder emits Text. |
| 2021-03-24 20:34:36 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | the result would be a thing that goes directly from SBS to String, and SBS from ByteArray# is a no-op |
| 2021-03-24 20:35:00 +0100 | <monochrom> | However, I wouldn't worry about it for now. There is some chance fusion eliminates one level of marshalling and you need do nothing. |
| 2021-03-24 20:35:40 +0100 | Lord_of_Life_ | (~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362) |
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| 2021-03-24 20:37:33 +0100 | codygman` | (~user@209.251.131.98) |
| 2021-03-24 20:38:16 +0100 | Lord_of_Life | (~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) |
| 2021-03-24 20:38:21 +0100 | <monochrom> | More specifically, stream fusion, which means GHC may do for you what tomsmeding just said. |
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| 2021-03-24 20:38:39 +0100 | Lord_of_Life_ | Lord_of_Life |
| 2021-03-24 20:39:33 +0100 | codygman__ | (~user@47.186.207.161) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) |
| 2021-03-24 20:39:49 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | yay fusion |
| 2021-03-24 20:40:01 +0100 | <monochrom> | "Conditions apply." |
| 2021-03-24 20:41:05 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | :( |
| 2021-03-24 20:41:20 +0100 | <monochrom> | :) |
| 2021-03-24 20:42:16 +0100 | <maerwald> | haskell performance: let's hope it's ok |
| 2021-03-24 20:42:48 +0100 | <monochrom> | That holds for all code optimizations by all compilers of all languages. |
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| 2021-03-24 20:43:13 +0100 | <monochrom> | all to the same extent |
| 2021-03-24 20:43:22 +0100 | molehillish | (~molehilli@2600:8800:8d06:1800:a4ec:e3c6:6b54:caa8) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2021-03-24 20:43:46 +0100 | <maerwald> | I'd argue rust is easier :) |
| 2021-03-24 20:44:17 +0100 | yoctocell | (~user@h87-96-130-155.cust.a3fiber.se) |
| 2021-03-24 20:44:17 +0100 | stree | (~stree@68.36.8.116) |
| 2021-03-24 20:44:22 +0100 | <maerwald> | but then you have to deal with the verbosity all the time |
| 2021-03-24 20:44:24 +0100 | yoctocell | (~user@h87-96-130-155.cust.a3fiber.se) ("ERC (IRC client for Emacs 28.0.50)") |
| 2021-03-24 20:46:23 +0100 | <monochrom> | For example, in gcc and clang, myvar % 37 is optimized, myvar % anothervar is not, except when constant propagation discovers that anothervar was set to 37 and never changed so it's myvar % 37 again, except when something else confuses constant propagation so it gives up, except when something yet else enables conditional constant propagation so it's all good again, except ... etc etc infinite series of excepts and counterexcepts. |
| 2021-03-24 20:47:03 +0100 | <monochrom> | Heuristics. All is heuristics for code optimization. You can hope or you can rabbit hole. |
| 2021-03-24 20:48:14 +0100 | Franciman | (~francesco@host-79-53-62-46.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 2021-03-24 20:52:10 +0100 | <monochrom> | What you can bet on is that idiomatic code gets a lot of attention from authors of code optimizations. In the case of Haskell, one such idiom is transducer pipelines like "f . g . h" where the intermediate data structures are lists and arrays. |
| 2021-03-24 20:55:03 +0100 | <monochrom> | Alternatively, if you're cynical (I am on prime-numbered days): Bet on academic-publishable code optimizations such as list fusion and stream fusion (Vector, Text, ByteString... so arrays). |
| 2021-03-24 20:55:36 +0100 | <monochrom> | This cynical theory explains why GHC doesn't optimize myvar % 37. >:) |
| 2021-03-24 20:56:21 +0100 | dbmikus | (~dbmikus@cpe-76-167-86-219.natsow.res.rr.com) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) |
| 2021-03-24 20:56:47 +0100 | geekosaur | fingers fromInteger there, and notes that there is active work to improve that so it might eventually happen |
| 2021-03-24 20:57:03 +0100 | xourt | (d4c620ea@212-198-32-234.rev.numericable.fr) |
| 2021-03-24 20:57:34 +0100 | <geekosaur> | "might" |
| 2021-03-24 20:57:35 +0100 | dbmikus | (~dbmikus@cpe-76-167-86-219.natsow.res.rr.com) |
| 2021-03-24 20:58:07 +0100 | <monochrom> | Less cynically, the stream fusion paper and idea are really clever, I recommend that you read it. Part of it is leverage how GHC already knows to simplify "case x of C1 -> case x of C1 -> ..." because obviously the second check-for-C1 is unnecessary. |
| 2021-03-24 20:59:09 +0100 | ddellaco_ | (~ddellacos@ool-44c73afa.dyn.optonline.net) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2021-03-24 20:59:32 +0100 | <monochrom> | I have forgotten further details, so don't quote it on me. :) |
| 2021-03-24 20:59:39 +0100 | irc_user | (uid423822@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-unailobkgqldbboi) |
| 2021-03-24 20:59:54 +0100 | <monochrom> | But the trick is really clever and beautiful. |
| 2021-03-24 21:01:20 +0100 | <L29Ah> | https://hackage.haskell.org/package/bytestring-0.11.0.0/docs/Data-ByteString-Internal.html#v:fromF… |
| 2021-03-24 21:01:21 +0100 | <L29Ah> | is the data referred by the pointer going to be free()d during the GC of the ByteString? |
| 2021-03-24 21:02:03 +0100 | Sorna | (~Sornaensi@077213203030.dynamic.telenor.dk) |
| 2021-03-24 21:02:33 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@83-160-49-249.ip.xs4all.nl) |
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| 2021-03-24 21:02:40 +0100 | ddellaco_ | (~ddellacos@ool-44c73afa.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 2021-03-24 21:03:03 +0100 | emmanuel_erc | (~user@2603-7000-9600-01c9-0000-0000-0000-0874.res6.spectrum.com) |
| 2021-03-24 21:03:30 +0100 | <monochrom> | The input foreign pointer is supposed to come with its own finalizer installed before you give it to fromForeignPtr. |
| 2021-03-24 21:03:42 +0100 | <L29Ah> | thanks! |
| 2021-03-24 21:03:48 +0100 | mp___ | (mp@hell.cx) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) |
| 2021-03-24 21:03:53 +0100 | L29Ah | feels he found a big chunk of memory leaks on Hackage |
| 2021-03-24 21:04:02 +0100 | <maerwald> | tomsmeding: so you think the decoder won't break fusion? |
| 2021-03-24 21:05:32 +0100 | petersen | (~petersen@redhat/juhp) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2021-03-24 21:05:57 +0100 | Sornaensis | (~Sornaensi@79.142.232.102.static.router4.bolignet.dk) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) |
| 2021-03-24 21:06:00 +0100 | <Uniaika> | L29Ah: nice |
| 2021-03-24 21:06:17 +0100 | Yumasi | (~guillaume@static-176-175-104-214.ftth.abo.bbox.fr) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 2021-03-24 21:08:23 +0100 | petersen | (~petersen@redhat/juhp) |
| 2021-03-24 21:08:25 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | maerwald: which decoder? my ad-hoc modified version of streamUtf16LE? |
| 2021-03-24 21:08:31 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | I have no idea :) |
| 2021-03-24 21:08:55 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | monochrom seems to believe fusion has a high chance of working on your seemingly-inefficient pipeline |
| 2021-03-24 21:08:58 +0100 | vicfred | (~vicfred@unaffiliated/vicfred) (Quit: Leaving) |
| 2021-03-24 21:09:17 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | I'm ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
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| 2021-03-24 21:34:22 +0100 | tato | (~tato@201.209.92.147) |
| 2021-03-24 21:36:09 +0100 | tato | scaryGarry |
| 2021-03-24 21:36:09 +0100 | <L29Ah> | https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/merge_requests/4585 do i get it right that this changeset doesn't demand all the libs to be rebuilt to take the advantage of PINNED profiling? |
| 2021-03-24 21:36:54 +0100 | L29Ah | gets insanely small numbers in his profiles that don't reflect the amount of memory consumed |
| 2021-03-24 21:37:05 +0100 | <L29Ah> | maybe because i applied it on top of 9.0.1, dunno |
| 2021-03-24 21:37:08 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@83-160-49-249.ip.xs4all.nl) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) |
| 2021-03-24 21:37:59 +0100 | kini | (~kini@unaffiliated/kini) (Quit: bye) |
| 2021-03-24 21:38:37 +0100 | <scaryGarry> | any literature suggestion for books on monad transformers or an introduction to parallelism in haskell? |
| 2021-03-24 21:39:38 +0100 | flow | Flow |
| 2021-03-24 21:40:11 +0100 | Flow | flow |
| 2021-03-24 21:41:19 +0100 | <ski> | @where PCPH |
| 2021-03-24 21:41:20 +0100 | <lambdabot> | "Parallel and Concurrent Programming in Haskell" by Simon Marlow in 2013 at <http://community.haskell.org/~simonmar/pcph/>,<http://chimera.labs.oreilly.com/books/1230000000929/>,<https://web.archive. |
| 2021-03-24 21:41:20 +0100 | <lambdabot> | org/web/20180117194842/http://chimera.labs.oreilly.com/books/1230000000929>,<https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/parallel-and-concurrent/9781449335939/> |
| 2021-03-24 21:41:37 +0100 | <ski> | @where AAM |
| 2021-03-24 21:41:37 +0100 | <lambdabot> | http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/All_About_Monads |
| 2021-03-24 21:41:40 +0100 | solidus-river | (~mike@174.127.249.180) |
| 2021-03-24 21:42:07 +0100 | <ski> | @where Typeclassopedia |
| 2021-03-24 21:42:08 +0100 | <lambdabot> | http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Typeclassopedia |
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| 2021-03-24 21:49:26 +0100 | mouseghost | (~draco@wikipedia/desperek) (Quit: mew wew) |
| 2021-03-24 21:51:01 +0100 | L29Ah | gently pokes bgamari |
| 2021-03-24 21:51:08 +0100 | <bgamari> | L29Ah, pong |
| 2021-03-24 21:51:50 +0100 | <L29Ah> | bgamari: https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/merge_requests/4585 do i get it right that this changeset doesn't demand all the libs to be rebuilt to take the advantage of PINNED profiling, and can work on top of 9.0.1? |
| 2021-03-24 21:52:29 +0100 | bgamari | tries to page this back in |
| 2021-03-24 21:52:45 +0100 | __minoru__shirae | (~shiraeesh@46.34.207.1) |
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| 2021-03-24 21:53:30 +0100 | <ephemient> | L29Ah: aren't all libraries to be rebuilt to for each GHC version anyway? |
| 2021-03-24 21:54:40 +0100 | <L29Ah> | ephemient: i'm on the same 9.0.1, except that changeset :) |
| 2021-03-24 21:55:10 +0100 | srk | (~sorki@gateway/tor-sasl/sorki) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) |
| 2021-03-24 21:55:30 +0100 | <ephemient> | ah, and it's an RTS-only change so you're hoping you can "just" re-link to make use of it? |
| 2021-03-24 21:55:41 +0100 | <L29Ah> | yes |
| 2021-03-24 21:57:12 +0100 | <L29Ah> | and now i don't see the huge PINNED thing at all, but the data is messed up (the profile entries are misordered, sometimes carry negative time, and after cleaning-up they report much lower memory consumption than my program had when it got terminated with +RTS -M |
| 2021-03-24 21:57:27 +0100 | srk | (~sorki@gateway/tor-sasl/sorki) |
| 2021-03-24 21:57:38 +0100 | L29Ah | now rebuilds vanilla ghc to check with vanilla rts |
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| 2021-03-24 22:04:25 +0100 | <bgamari> | L29Ah, I am having a look |
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| 2021-03-24 22:24:10 +0100 | <bgamari> | L29Ah, I'm about to post a test which you can use to validate your patch |
| 2021-03-24 22:24:14 +0100 | <bgamari> | it works for me on master |
| 2021-03-24 22:24:17 +0100 | cfricke | (~cfricke@unaffiliated/cfricke) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
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| 2021-03-24 22:30:36 +0100 | average | (uid473595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jidrtzqhvfslyggr) |
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| 2021-03-24 22:32:02 +0100 | fendor | (~fendor@91.141.1.9.wireless.dyn.drei.com) |
| 2021-03-24 22:33:03 +0100 | <bgamari> | L29Ah, https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/merge_requests/5361 |
| 2021-03-24 22:33:03 +0100 | conal | (~conal@64.71.133.70) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2021-03-24 22:33:23 +0100 | <bgamari> | L29Ah, try compiling T7275.hs with |
| 2021-03-24 22:33:38 +0100 | <bgamari> | ghc testsuite/tests/profiling/should_run/T7275.hs -prof -rtsopts |
| 2021-03-24 22:33:54 +0100 | <bgamari> | and then running the executable with `+RTS -hc -i0` |
| 2021-03-24 22:33:59 +0100 | <bgamari> | and examine the .hp file |
| 2021-03-24 22:34:07 +0100 | <bgamari> | you should see counts from suzanne |
| 2021-03-24 22:35:36 +0100 | <bgamari> | they should constitute the majority of the heap |
| 2021-03-24 22:37:50 +0100 | conal | (~conal@64.71.133.70) |
| 2021-03-24 22:38:11 +0100 | son0p | (~son0p@181.136.122.143) (Quit: leaving) |
| 2021-03-24 22:39:20 +0100 | <L29Ah> | yeah it works, thanks |
| 2021-03-24 22:39:51 +0100 | <L29Ah> | shows PINNED w/ vanilla /usr/lib64/ghc-9.0.1/rts and suzanne/robert w/ patched |
| 2021-03-24 22:39:55 +0100 | molehillish | (~molehilli@2600:8800:8d06:1800:a4ec:e3c6:6b54:caa8) |
| 2021-03-24 22:41:31 +0100 | <L29Ah> | apparently profiling is broken in 9.0.1 or smth |
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| 2021-03-24 22:42:54 +0100 | hyiltiz | (~quassel@31.220.5.250) (Changing host) |
| 2021-03-24 22:42:54 +0100 | hyiltiz | (~quassel@unaffiliated/hyiltiz) |
| 2021-03-24 22:44:03 +0100 | <L29Ah> | http://0x0.st/-qVm.hp typical result, with non-monotonic time |
| 2021-03-24 22:44:21 +0100 | molehillish | (~molehilli@2600:8800:8d06:1800:a4ec:e3c6:6b54:caa8) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) |
| 2021-03-24 22:45:43 +0100 | <L29Ah> | at least the PINNED section is sensible |
| 2021-03-24 22:45:51 +0100 | wonko7 | (~wonko7@45.15.17.60) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 2021-03-24 22:46:04 +0100 | <solidus-river> | hmm, im in waters i'm not used to and having trouble finding good resources on. I need to specifically pack a Int value as a UInt64 in network byte order into a Bytestring |
| 2021-03-24 22:46:38 +0100 | <L29Ah> | solidus-river: Data.Binary? |
| 2021-03-24 22:47:02 +0100 | <L29Ah> | UInt64 is called "Word64" |
| 2021-03-24 22:47:37 +0100 | hyiltiz | (~quassel@unaffiliated/hyiltiz) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2021-03-24 22:48:13 +0100 | <monochrom> | Data.Binary.Put has putWord64be and putInt64be |
| 2021-03-24 22:48:23 +0100 | <L29Ah> | ok apparently the negative samples appear somewhat at the end of the profiling process: http://0x0.st/-qVa.hp |
| 2021-03-24 22:48:28 +0100 | Kaeipi | (~Kaiepi@47.54.252.148) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2021-03-24 22:48:36 +0100 | hyiltiz | (~quassel@unaffiliated/hyiltiz) |
| 2021-03-24 22:49:13 +0100 | myShoggoth | (~myShoggot@75.164.81.55) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) |
| 2021-03-24 22:49:35 +0100 | <L29Ah> | and some of positive ones become garbled |
| 2021-03-24 22:49:47 +0100 | takuan | (~takuan@178-116-218-225.access.telenet.be) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2021-03-24 22:49:56 +0100 | <solidus-river> | flush . putWord64be ! |
| 2021-03-24 22:50:03 +0100 | Kaiepi | (~Kaiepi@47.54.252.148) |
| 2021-03-24 22:50:04 +0100 | myShoggoth | (~myShoggot@75.164.81.55) |
| 2021-03-24 22:50:05 +0100 | <L29Ah> | https://tinystash.undef.im/il/49NPXJTB4GNbAse1cNm4KKMgCVEhnFyKzXuJTDUFyP6KUYpA2omL6fYMKftSDupRhFBu… |
| 2021-03-24 22:50:09 +0100 | <solidus-river> | but all the docs for Int are signed representations |
| 2021-03-24 22:51:09 +0100 | <solidus-river> | oh, a word is a uint |
| 2021-03-24 22:51:13 +0100 | danvet | (~Daniel@2a02:168:57f4:0:efd0:b9e5:5ae6:c2fa) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) |
| 2021-03-24 22:51:13 +0100 | <solidus-river> | huh? |
| 2021-03-24 22:51:32 +0100 | <solidus-river> | thats a wierd naming, i associate word's with raw meaningless chunks of memory |
| 2021-03-24 22:52:45 +0100 | stree | (~stree@68.36.8.116) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) |
| 2021-03-24 22:53:08 +0100 | <solidus-river> | oh, sorry L29Ah i missed your second message :[ |
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| 2021-03-24 22:57:46 +0100 | <monochrom> | I am surprised that DeriveFunctor works fine with "newtype M a = M (forall m. m -> (a->m) -> m)" |
| 2021-03-24 22:58:45 +0100 | v01d4lph4 | (~v01d4lph4@106.212.133.35) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) |
| 2021-03-24 23:00:19 +0100 | <hololeap> | ski, after letting it sink in, i think i understand now |
| 2021-03-24 23:00:27 +0100 | <hololeap> | lose :: Decidable f => (a -> Void) -> f a ; lose toVoid = ... |
| 2021-03-24 23:00:33 +0100 | Tops2 | (~Tobias@dyndsl-095-033-092-175.ewe-ip-backbone.de) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) |
| 2021-03-24 23:00:37 +0100 | <hololeap> | toVoid is proof that 'a' has no elements. that is, it is proof that it is isomorphic to Void. |
| 2021-03-24 23:00:48 +0100 | <hololeap> | 'Either Void a -> r' and 'Either a Void -> r' are isomporphic to 'a -> r', which makes 'Op r Void' the identity to 'choose @(Op r)' |
| 2021-03-24 23:01:03 +0100 | <hololeap> | ... or something like that. it's a bit hard to explain, but i think i get it :) |
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| 2021-03-24 23:01:48 +0100 | hyiltiz | (~quassel@unaffiliated/hyiltiz) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 2021-03-24 23:02:11 +0100 | <L29Ah> | ok, +RTS -N breaks profiling |
| 2021-03-24 23:02:28 +0100 | hyiltiz | (~quassel@unaffiliated/hyiltiz) |
| 2021-03-24 23:02:31 +0100 | Rudd0 | (~Rudd0@185.189.115.103) |
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| 2021-03-24 23:05:22 +0100 | knupfer | (~Thunderbi@i59F7FF52.versanet.de) |
| 2021-03-24 23:05:34 +0100 | stree | (~stree@68.36.8.116) |
| 2021-03-24 23:06:28 +0100 | tempate | (~tempate@unaffiliated/tempate) () |
| 2021-03-24 23:07:15 +0100 | <bgamari> | L29Ah, sorry, had to run out or a moment |
| 2021-03-24 23:07:16 +0100 | <bgamari> | L29Ah, oh? |
| 2021-03-24 23:07:47 +0100 | Lord_of_Life | (~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) |
| 2021-03-24 23:07:52 +0100 | <bgamari> | L29Ah, sorry, had to run out or a moment |
| 2021-03-24 23:07:54 +0100 | <bgamari> | L29Ah, oh? |
| 2021-03-24 23:07:56 +0100 | <bgamari> | L29Ah, I'm a tad surprised to hear that |
| 2021-03-24 23:08:18 +0100 | <L29Ah> | bgamari: has nothing to do with the patchset tho |
| 2021-03-24 23:08:31 +0100 | L29Ah | fills a bug report |
| 2021-03-24 23:08:38 +0100 | <bgamari> | right, I would have been surprised if it had |
| 2021-03-24 23:08:40 +0100 | <bgamari> | L29Ah, thanks! |
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| 2021-03-24 23:10:27 +0100 | <solidus-river> | do i have to use Put with binary? i'm trying to use Builders but i'm getting type errors everywhere |
| 2021-03-24 23:11:21 +0100 | <Uniaika> | I should explore other ways to serialise to binary without a type-class |
| 2021-03-24 23:12:02 +0100 | Lycurgus | concludes, hastily perhaps there is no usable topoi hs thing yet |
| 2021-03-24 23:12:08 +0100 | alx741 | (~alx741@186.178.108.68) |
| 2021-03-24 23:12:23 +0100 | Varis | (~Tadas@unaffiliated/varis) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2021-03-24 23:12:24 +0100 | conal | (~conal@64.71.133.70) (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.) |
| 2021-03-24 23:12:54 +0100 | <bgamari> | solidus-river, I'm not entirely sure what you |
| 2021-03-24 23:13:00 +0100 | <monochrom> | Data.Binary.Builder also has putWord64be and putInt64be for Builder. |
| 2021-03-24 23:13:02 +0100 | <bgamari> | solidus-river, IIRC Builder is a synonym for Put |
| 2021-03-24 23:13:04 +0100 | ddellaco_ | (~ddellacos@ool-44c73afa.dyn.optonline.net) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2021-03-24 23:13:19 +0100 | <bgamari> | or rather, the other way around |
| 2021-03-24 23:13:40 +0100 | <solidus-river> | this doesn't type check and I'm wifing on why, still playing around in ghci |
| 2021-03-24 23:13:42 +0100 | <monochrom> | Neither. |
| 2021-03-24 23:13:53 +0100 | <solidus-river> | toLazyByteString . putWord64be . fromIntegral |
| 2021-03-24 23:14:08 +0100 | <solidus-river> | i think that should be Num a => a => ByteString |
| 2021-03-24 23:14:13 +0100 | malumore | (~malumore@151.62.115.239) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) |
| 2021-03-24 23:14:39 +0100 | <solidus-river> | erm: Num a => a -> ByteString |
| 2021-03-24 23:14:46 +0100 | shaunm | (~shaunm@185.204.1.185) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2021-03-24 23:15:24 +0100 | <hololeap> | solidus-river: did you mean toInteger instead of fromIntegral? |
| 2021-03-24 23:15:46 +0100 | son0p | (~son0p@181.136.122.143) |
| 2021-03-24 23:15:59 +0100 | <solidus-river> | :t toInteger |
| 2021-03-24 23:16:00 +0100 | <lambdabot> | Integral a => a -> Integer |
| 2021-03-24 23:16:05 +0100 | <solidus-river> | :t fromIntegral |
| 2021-03-24 23:16:06 +0100 | <lambdabot> | (Integral a, Num b) => a -> b |
| 2021-03-24 23:16:28 +0100 | conal | (~conal@64.71.133.70) |
| 2021-03-24 23:17:40 +0100 | Lycurgus | (~niemand@98.4.119.196) (Quit: Exeunt) |
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| 2021-03-24 23:17:56 +0100 | emmanuel_erc | (~user@2603-7000-9600-01c9-0000-0000-0000-0874.res6.spectrum.com) |
| 2021-03-24 23:18:34 +0100 | usr25 | (~usr25@unaffiliated/usr25) |
| 2021-03-24 23:19:16 +0100 | <hololeap> | ignore that last statement of mine, but it would be: Integral a => a -> ByteString |
| 2021-03-24 23:19:45 +0100 | is_null | (~jpic@pdpc/supporter/professional/is-null) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) |
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| 2021-03-24 23:21:11 +0100 | kini | (~kini@unaffiliated/kini) |
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| 2021-03-24 23:22:02 +0100 | dhil | (~dhil@80.208.56.181) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) |
| 2021-03-24 23:23:08 +0100 | <bgamari> | monochrom, huh, so you are right |
| 2021-03-24 23:23:57 +0100 | <monochrom> | :) |
| 2021-03-24 23:24:19 +0100 | <monochrom> | YEAH DOCS |
| 2021-03-24 23:24:19 +0100 | emmanuel_erc | (~user@2603-7000-9600-01c9-0000-0000-0000-0874.res6.spectrum.com) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2021-03-24 23:24:31 +0100 | emmanuel_erc | (~user@2603-7000-9600-01c9-0000-0000-0000-0874.res6.spectrum.com) |
| 2021-03-24 23:24:42 +0100 | <solidus-river> | toInteger didn't help but I'm getting closer... does ghci bot have these things imported? |
| 2021-03-24 23:25:07 +0100 | <solidus-river> | :t toLazyByteString . putWord64be . fromIntegral |
| 2021-03-24 23:25:09 +0100 | <lambdabot> | error: |
| 2021-03-24 23:25:09 +0100 | <lambdabot> | Variable not in scope: toLazyByteString :: b0 -> c |
| 2021-03-24 23:25:16 +0100 | usr25 | (~usr25@unaffiliated/usr25) (Quit: Leaving) |
| 2021-03-24 23:25:16 +0100 | <solidus-river> | neope :P |
| 2021-03-24 23:25:36 +0100 | zebrag | (~inkbottle@aaubervilliers-654-1-109-157.w86-212.abo.wanadoo.fr) (Quit: Konversation terminated!) |
| 2021-03-24 23:25:45 +0100 | <solidus-river> | somethings messed up with my packages. Its claiming Data.ByteString has no toStrict |
| 2021-03-24 23:25:53 +0100 | wroathe | (~wroathe@c-68-54-25-135.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 2021-03-24 23:25:57 +0100 | zebrag | (~inkbottle@aaubervilliers-654-1-109-157.w86-212.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 2021-03-24 23:26:01 +0100 | Franciman | (~francesco@host-79-53-62-46.retail.telecomitalia.it) (Quit: Leaving) |
| 2021-03-24 23:26:44 +0100 | <monochrom> | toStrict belongs to Data.ByteString.Lazy |
| 2021-03-24 23:26:57 +0100 | <monochrom> | Do you have access to Hoogle? Docs? |
| 2021-03-24 23:27:29 +0100 | tempate | (~tempate@unaffiliated/tempate) |
| 2021-03-24 23:27:42 +0100 | mice-user | (7712037d@119-18-3-125.771203.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) |
| 2021-03-24 23:28:05 +0100 | <tempate> | Can anyone recommend a good set of coding problems specifically meant to be solved in Haskell? |
| 2021-03-24 23:28:49 +0100 | <hololeap> | it looks like PutM is basically the same as `Writer ByteString` (strict Writer), and `type Put = PutM ()` |
| 2021-03-24 23:29:01 +0100 | <maerwald> | tempate: write a compiler |
| 2021-03-24 23:30:00 +0100 | <Axman6> | tempate: https://wiki.haskell.org/H-99:_Ninety-Nine_Haskell_Problems https://blog.tmorris.net/posts/20-intermediate-haskell-exercises/ |
| 2021-03-24 23:30:53 +0100 | wroathe | (~wroathe@c-68-54-25-135.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) |
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| 2021-03-24 23:30:58 +0100 | <tempate> | Thank you very much, Axman6 |
| 2021-03-24 23:30:58 +0100 | <Axman6> | the latter is excellent, I won't say much more about it because it's intentionally a set of problems designed to make you let the types guide you |
| 2021-03-24 23:31:07 +0100 | emmanuel_erc | (~user@2603-7000-9600-01c9-0000-0000-0000-0874.res6.spectrum.com) |
| 2021-03-24 23:31:19 +0100 | <Axman6> | Use the types Luke |
| 2021-03-24 23:32:30 +0100 | <solidus-river> | monochrom: i'm using hackage docs but i'm not very good at navigating them i guess |
| 2021-03-24 23:32:48 +0100 | <solidus-river> | toString is mentioned in the module documentation for Data.ByteString so i assumed it would be in there |
| 2021-03-24 23:33:14 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@83-160-49-249.ip.xs4all.nl) |
| 2021-03-24 23:33:25 +0100 | <tempate> | Axman6: the second one does seem quite interesting. If you don't mind I'll get back at you once I've given it a try. |
| 2021-03-24 23:34:02 +0100 | <Axman6> | yeah feel free to ask lots of questions here, it's likely you'll need some hints |
| 2021-03-24 23:35:30 +0100 | <tempate> | Well, to be honest I didn't even know there were classes in Haskell |
| 2021-03-24 23:35:49 +0100 | <Axman6> | you have much to learn then :) |
| 2021-03-24 23:35:53 +0100 | <tempate> | tfw you learn from the question itself |
| 2021-03-24 23:36:15 +0100 | Waifod | (~Waifod@91.106.123.186) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) |
| 2021-03-24 23:36:26 +0100 | <Axman6> | if you haven't seen classes before, they're somewhat analogous to interfaces in, say, Java |
| 2021-03-24 23:36:38 +0100 | <Axman6> | % :i Num |
| 2021-03-24 23:36:38 +0100 | <yahb> | Axman6: type Num :: * -> Constraint; class Num a where; (+) :: a -> a -> a; (-) :: a -> a -> a; (*) :: a -> a -> a; negate :: a -> a; abs :: a -> a; signum :: a -> a; fromInteger :: Integer -> a; {-# MINIMAL (+), (*), abs, signum, fromInteger, (negate | (-)) #-}; -- Defined in `GHC.Num'; instance forall a. Integral a => Num (Ratio a) -- Defined in `GHC.Real'; instance Num Int8 -- Defined in `GHC.In |
| 2021-03-24 23:36:43 +0100 | <monochrom> | solidus-river: Then consider version mismatch. bytestring-0.10.12.0 (from GHC 8.10.4) doesn't have toStrict in Data.ByteString. bytestring-0.11.* has it. Clearly, hackage always displays a version newer than what you actually use. |
| 2021-03-24 23:36:54 +0100 | <Axman6> | hmm, that's a big class |
| 2021-03-24 23:37:22 +0100 | <monochrom> | And Google, always 5 versions behind. |
| 2021-03-24 23:37:41 +0100 | aplainzetakind | (~johndoe@captainludd.powered.by.lunarbnc.net) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2021-03-24 23:37:42 +0100 | <tempate> | oh, right, I think a friend mentioned them once |
| 2021-03-24 23:37:49 +0100 | <monochrom> | This is why I don't understand why serious developers don't build and read local docs. Internet docs are always the wrong version. |
| 2021-03-24 23:38:02 +0100 | <tempate> | My only Haskell experience are days 1, 2 and 3 of Advent of Code 2020 |
| 2021-03-24 23:38:56 +0100 | <Axman6> | right, maybe you will find other resources a better place to start. |
| 2021-03-24 23:39:49 +0100 | <Axman6> | monochrom: I think in the haskell worls a lot of that comes from not having good integration with tools like IDEs, but that's changing with HLS, I find myself using the docs on hover a lot |
| 2021-03-24 23:40:07 +0100 | aplainzetakind | (~johndoe@captainludd.powered.by.lunarbnc.net) |
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| 2021-03-24 23:41:06 +0100 | is_null | (~jpic@pdpc/supporter/professional/is-null) |
| 2021-03-24 23:42:50 +0100 | <solidus-river> | monochrom: good tip, running a haddock build now :) this is my first real big haskell project so I'm still getting the ropes of the dev workflow |
| 2021-03-24 23:43:31 +0100 | <Axman6> | tempate: not sure how useful it is for learning initially, but keep this handy, it's something that I've learned new things from again and again over the years: http://dev.stephendiehl.com/hask/ |
| 2021-03-24 23:43:34 +0100 | ddellaco_ | (~ddellacos@ool-44c73afa.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 2021-03-24 23:43:55 +0100 | <monochrom> | http://www.vex.net/~trebla/tmp/hasdoc is my shell script that guesses local doc location and pops it up in your web browser by an xdg-open call. |
| 2021-03-24 23:44:28 +0100 | <tempate> | Axman6: well, I usually learn best by just diving right into problems and not going through endless books |
| 2021-03-24 23:44:28 +0100 | emmanuel_erc | (~user@2603-7000-9600-01c9-0000-0000-0000-0874.res6.spectrum.com) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2021-03-24 23:44:42 +0100 | emmanuel_erc | (~user@2603-7000-9600-01c9-0000-0000-0000-0874.res6.spectrum.com) |
| 2021-03-24 23:44:48 +0100 | <tempate> | (funnily enough this only happens to me with coding; I love reading) |
| 2021-03-24 23:46:02 +0100 | notzmv | (~zmv@unaffiliated/zmv) |
| 2021-03-24 23:46:03 +0100 | <Axman6> | Many people get tripped up by doing that with Haskell, as it;s quite fundamentally different to what they already know - having taught Haskell at university, I often find people who haven't done any programming before find it easier to pick up as they don't have bad habbits ingrained already |
| 2021-03-24 23:46:04 +0100 | jul1u5 | (~julius@85.206.103.207) |
| 2021-03-24 23:46:31 +0100 | <monochrom> | RIght, dive-in works iff there is little surprise. |
| 2021-03-24 23:46:58 +0100 | <monochrom> | The old age of "easy to pick up another language because just syntax change" ended 20 years ago. |
| 2021-03-24 23:47:07 +0100 | <solidus-river> | tempate: welcome :) Haskells heavy on the learning up-front but I just started 2 weeks ago and have a non-trivial 7 socketed threaded zeromq server that deals with shared state etc in ~ 300 lines of pretty darn readable code |
| 2021-03-24 23:47:44 +0100 | <tempate> | solidus-river: nice! |
| 2021-03-24 23:48:12 +0100 | ddellaco_ | (~ddellacos@ool-44c73afa.dyn.optonline.net) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 2021-03-24 23:48:23 +0100 | <solidus-river> | i'm still cleaning up my do notation and drying things up, it'll likely be sub 200 after drying up and switching over to the monad that zmq4 provides |
| 2021-03-24 23:48:40 +0100 | <solidus-river> | i'm not including utility functions or imports in that count though |
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| 2021-03-24 23:55:15 +0100 | <solidus-river> | and started working on the project 2 weeks ago, i've been hanging out in here and messing with haskell off and on for years now :X don't want to mis-represent things. I've just never tried to use it for anything "real world" till these last couple weeks |
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| 2021-03-24 23:57:48 +0100 | <tempate> | I have yet to write anything "real world", in any language |
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