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2020-10-25 01:02:06 +0000 <c_wraith> I've been told I should return to life for the holiday, but that'd just be too confusing.
2020-10-25 01:02:11 +0000 <c_wraith> :t confusing
2020-10-25 01:02:13 +0000 <lambdabot> Applicative f => LensLike (Data.Functor.Day.Curried.Curried (Data.Functor.Yoneda.Yoneda f) (Data.Functor.Yoneda.Yoneda f)) s t a b -> LensLike f s t a b
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2020-10-25 01:09:02 +0000 <monsterchrom> Another direction you could consider is elevating from a wraith to an abstract factory that makes more wraiths.
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2020-10-25 01:13:06 +0000 <c_wraith> monsterchrom: that's way too terrifying
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2020-10-25 03:19:47 +0000 <guy> hey guys
2020-10-25 03:20:13 +0000darjeeling_(~darjeelin@115.215.42.47)
2020-10-25 03:20:52 +0000 <guy> is this the place to ask haskell related questions
2020-10-25 03:21:25 +0000 <xacktm> check the /topic
2020-10-25 03:21:30 +0000 <xacktm> tl;dr yes :)
2020-10-25 03:22:43 +0000 <guy> okay thanks :) I don't really know how to check that
2020-10-25 03:23:03 +0000 <guy> I'm having a problem installing a Win32 package with cabal
2020-10-25 03:25:10 +0000 <guy> Apparently it couldn't execute one of the files in the package Win32-2.8.3.0, ".../ghc/inplace/mingw/bin/ld.exe"
2020-10-25 03:26:12 +0000servo(~servo@41.92.101.100)
2020-10-25 03:26:13 +0000 <guy> I'm a bit lost on what to do here because this seems to be a problem with the package uploaded
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2020-10-25 03:30:55 +0000 <davean> Thats not in the package, thats in your GHC install I think
2020-10-25 03:32:54 +0000 <davean> ld is the linker
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2020-10-25 03:33:37 +0000 <guy> oh okay thank you
2020-10-25 03:34:11 +0000 <guy> I was trying to install a later version of Win32 than the one that is included with the Haskell Platform
2020-10-25 03:34:17 +0000 <davean> I'd help you more but I haven't seen a windows system in decades
2020-10-25 03:34:22 +0000infinisil(~infinisil@NixOS/user/infinisil)
2020-10-25 03:34:39 +0000 <guy> that's fine, thank you
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2020-10-25 03:36:24 +0000 <guy> I think I'm in a bit over my head with this stuff anyways. I'll just stick to what I have and see what I can do
2020-10-25 03:36:41 +0000 <jle`> i wanted to maybe write a haskell clone for Among Us, but i'm stuck because I can't think of a good pun
2020-10-25 03:36:50 +0000 <jle`> i guess this is most projects die huh
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2020-10-25 03:37:05 +0000 <guy> Lamdang Us
2020-10-25 03:37:28 +0000 <guy> Lambdang us
2020-10-25 03:37:29 +0000 <jle`> hmm
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2020-10-25 03:38:14 +0000 <jle`> :(
2020-10-25 03:38:26 +0000 <MarcelineVQ> Existential Crisis :> but by the time you're done the fad will be over
2020-10-25 03:38:38 +0000theDon(~td@muedsl-82-207-238-081.citykom.de)
2020-10-25 03:38:43 +0000 <jle`> mostly a learning exercise :)
2020-10-25 03:38:55 +0000 <jle`> Forall Us
2020-10-25 03:39:01 +0000 <jle`> :O
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2020-10-25 03:41:45 +0000 <koz_> jle`: Exists a.
2020-10-25 03:41:50 +0000 <jle`> Amonadung Us
2020-10-25 03:42:12 +0000 <jle`> koz_: :o
2020-10-25 03:42:24 +0000 <jle`> Exists a. Imposter a
2020-10-25 03:42:38 +0000 <jle`> exists a. Imposter a => a
2020-10-25 03:43:38 +0000 <koz_> 'Exists a' gets across the point much better at least.
2020-10-25 03:43:43 +0000 <c_wraith> jle`: I already stole a perfect option.
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2020-10-25 03:45:45 +0000 <jle`> c_wraith: oh?
2020-10-25 03:45:58 +0000 <jle`> koz_: nicely succinct
2020-10-25 03:45:58 +0000 <c_wraith> (look at my hostmask)
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2020-10-25 03:47:01 +0000 <jle`> heh heh
2020-10-25 03:47:06 +0000 <MarcelineVQ> neat hostmask but what's a jaldabaoth?
2020-10-25 03:47:38 +0000 <koz_> MarcelineVQ: Some DnD monster I think?
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2020-10-25 03:58:08 +0000 <emmanuel_erc> Is there some truth to the claim that the Haskell compiler is slow? (This was a statement a coworker said to me)
2020-10-25 03:59:12 +0000 <monsterchrom> Depends on how much you're prepared to bend "some" "truth".
2020-10-25 03:59:55 +0000 <monsterchrom> Type inference is worst-case expoential time, there will be a few carefully designed terms and types that force that.
2020-10-25 04:00:22 +0000 <monsterchrom> The fact remains that this worst-case doesn't happen to useful programs.
2020-10-25 04:00:57 +0000 <c_wraith> There are definitely things you can do to make your program slow
2020-10-25 04:01:15 +0000 <c_wraith> GHC isn't great with huge string literals or types with thousands of constructors
2020-10-25 04:03:02 +0000 <monsterchrom> I actually know an actual worst-case example from Okasaki. And yet, I don't just go around citing it as though it's the only thing you should care. In fact, I avoid citing it because clearly it is such a bizarre example you shouldn't care.
2020-10-25 04:03:34 +0000 <monsterchrom> I bet your coworker is the opposite. Never saw any actual example, and still go around spreading hearsay like it's the only important thing.
2020-10-25 04:03:40 +0000 <c_wraith> GHC definitely stresses linx's default linker, too
2020-10-25 04:03:58 +0000 <c_wraith> *linux
2020-10-25 04:04:05 +0000 <monsterchrom> You should put such people on your ignore list.
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2020-10-25 04:08:05 +0000 <monsterchrom> For life is too short to investigate every hearsay where the speaker doesn't bother to cite evidence or give examples.
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2020-10-25 04:08:42 +0000 <gattytto> hello, I'm trying to build the haskell-servant minimum example using ghc-8.10.1 and I have added all the recommended extra-deps to stack.yaml. But while building aeson it says "out of memory". I have tried adding --ghc-options=" -j1 +RST -MXXXXM" with no avail
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2020-10-25 04:08:56 +0000 <gattytto> is there anything else I can do to avoid memory exhaustion? both in cabal build and stack build
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2020-10-25 04:09:44 +0000 <monsterchrom> I'm afraid --ghc-options="-j1" is barking up the wrong tree.
2020-10-25 04:10:11 +0000 <monsterchrom> It would be stack itself and cabal itself that decides to spawn 4 instance of GHC at the same time.
2020-10-25 04:10:31 +0000 <monsterchrom> as opposed to one instance of GHC deciding to spawn 4 jobs
2020-10-25 04:10:53 +0000 <monsterchrom> Your -j1 should be given to stack or cabal
2020-10-25 04:10:53 +0000 <gattytto> ah yes cabal has -j arg
2020-10-25 04:11:02 +0000 <gattytto> thanks I'll try that
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2020-10-25 04:36:28 +0000 <MarcelineVQ> aeson is pretty heavy by itself still so fingers crossed
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2020-10-25 05:56:09 +0000 <emb> Does anyone have any tips on finding remote part time Haskell dev gig?
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2020-10-25 08:49:32 +0000 <tomsmeding> Is there a way to tell ghc, in the context of 'stack build'/'cabal build' to compile a particular module _first_?
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2020-10-25 08:49:51 +0000 <tomsmeding> there are multiple modules still to be compiled, but I want it to give me the errors for a particular module A first
2020-10-25 08:50:18 +0000 <tomsmeding> (assume of course that A has no predecessors in the graph of modules still to be compiled :) )
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2020-10-25 10:35:14 +0000 <maerwald> I don't know how cabal orders things when multiple modules are on the same depgraph level, but it can either be module name or order in the .cabal file?
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2020-10-25 10:38:59 +0000 <tomsmeding> I don't know either, but I do know it's unstable :)
2020-10-25 10:39:14 +0000 <tomsmeding> as in, I compile and get errors for A, fix some (but not all), recompile, and then it does B first
2020-10-25 10:39:22 +0000 <tomsmeding> which is annoying and my reason for asking :p
2020-10-25 10:40:28 +0000shatriff(~vitaliish@176.52.219.10)
2020-10-25 10:42:09 +0000 <tomsmeding> I have the same problems when e.g. compiling C code with a Makefile, but then I know how to tell it to make one particular object file only
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2020-10-25 10:43:04 +0000 <accusa7i0ns> hello!
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2020-10-25 10:45:07 +0000 <tomsmeding> bye!
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2020-10-25 10:46:01 +0000 <tomsmeding> welcome back accusa7i0ns :p
2020-10-25 10:46:26 +0000 <accusa7i0ns> thank you tomsmeding! :)
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2020-10-25 10:49:06 +0000 <accusa7i0ns> Hi all :) I am new to this chat and to IRCs in general, is there a regulation that I should read?
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2020-10-25 10:50:28 +0000 <maerwald> https://wiki.haskell.org/IRC_channel#Principles
2020-10-25 10:50:31 +0000 <maerwald> maybe that?
2020-10-25 10:50:35 +0000 <maerwald> not sure how up2date
2020-10-25 10:51:57 +0000 <maerwald> I feel IRC here was more diverse couple of years ago. Maybe slack and discord took away the user base
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2020-10-25 10:52:21 +0000 <accusa7i0ns> thanks maerwald, I'll give it a look!
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2020-10-25 11:12:47 +0000 <juri_> wow. so, i've now written a barely passable slicer in haskell.
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2020-10-25 11:33:06 +0000 <merijn> maerwald, tomsmeding: afaik cabal *doesn't* order modules, it call "ghc" (aka as "ghc --make", historically) which does its own internal dependency scheduling of modules
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2020-10-25 11:36:50 +0000 <tomsmeding> merijn: perhaps the order of the modules Cabal places on ghc's command line matters? (I haven't checked whether this correlates with the behaviour)
2020-10-25 11:37:31 +0000 <merijn> tomsmeding: If you wanna typecheck just single files you quickly get to things like ghcide :p
2020-10-25 11:37:43 +0000 <merijn> and/or hls
2020-10-25 11:38:05 +0000 <__monty__> Or ghcid
2020-10-25 11:38:11 +0000 <merijn> ghcid can't do single files
2020-10-25 11:38:23 +0000 <merijn> It can only recompile the entire project using cabal
2020-10-25 11:38:32 +0000 <tomsmeding> re:ghcide: ... which I have to restart after ~every file I edit because either its file tracking is completely borked, or the interaction between ghcide and languageclient-neovim is crap
2020-10-25 11:38:39 +0000 <merijn> Or rather, the only way you can get it to compile single files is if you already know how to do so
2020-10-25 11:38:44 +0000 <tomsmeding> quite possibly the latter though
2020-10-25 11:38:48 +0000 <merijn> In which case tomsmeding wouldn't be having this issue :p
2020-10-25 11:39:07 +0000 <merijn> tomsmeding: I suspect languageclient-neovim
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2020-10-25 11:39:10 +0000 <tomsmeding> yeah
2020-10-25 11:39:18 +0000 <merijn> It's working pretty great for me with vim + ale
2020-10-25 11:39:32 +0000 <tomsmeding> it did file watching in a completely broken way before, which I fixed with a PR, but there's probably more off
2020-10-25 11:39:45 +0000 <merijn> ale supports neovim, I think?
2020-10-25 11:40:01 +0000 <merijn> Yeah, it does
2020-10-25 11:40:50 +0000 <merijn> I quickly hacked together this a year ago (apparently) https://github.com/merijn/dotfiles/blob/master/dotfiles/vim/autoload/ale_linters/haskell/ghcide.vim
2020-10-25 11:40:56 +0000 <merijn> 0 warranty, though :p
2020-10-25 11:41:22 +0000 <merijn> https://github.com/merijn/dotfiles/blob/master/dotfiles/vim/ftplugin/haskell.vim#L1-L9
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2020-10-25 11:45:03 +0000 <tomsmeding> "0 warranty" <- it looks fairly safe though
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2020-10-25 11:48:58 +0000 <merijn> Should be, but everything I write is "free as in puppies"
2020-10-25 11:49:02 +0000 <merijn> :p
2020-10-25 11:49:11 +0000 <tomsmeding> merijn: I'll try setting up ALE soon, if it works nicely for you then it probably will for me
2020-10-25 11:49:18 +0000 <merijn> (aka "you'll have to pay if you want if fixed" ;))
2020-10-25 11:49:22 +0000 <tomsmeding> lol sure
2020-10-25 11:49:39 +0000 <tomsmeding> isn't that with ~all open source
2020-10-25 11:49:57 +0000 <tomsmeding> also thanks :)
2020-10-25 11:50:19 +0000 <merijn> For simple stuff ghcide has been working well for ages, for my phd project it's a bit hit and miss, since that's a Haskell tooling stress test of v2-build, CApiFFI, foreign code and TH :p
2020-10-25 11:51:05 +0000 <tomsmeding> I have some TH and foreign code but mostly in modules I'm not touching, so we'll see :)
2020-10-25 11:51:12 +0000tomsmedingis off to eat some lunch
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2020-10-25 14:29:57 +0000 <nschoe> Hi everyone, just a quick question: I've been cross-compiling aarch64-unknown-linux-gnu-ghc-8.6.5 for the past ... 4-5 hours on my laptop (this is a GHC that I'm compiling for my Raspberry Pi 3).
2020-10-25 14:29:57 +0000 <nschoe> It's not the first time I've done this (because I keep forgetting to add it as gc-root), but I'm curious: how come it doesn't fetch it from a binary cache?
2020-10-25 14:30:11 +0000 <nschoe> Is it because there is not binary cache for aarch64 binaries?
2020-10-25 14:30:37 +0000 <nschoe> Oh sh*t wrong IRC channel, sorry :/
2020-10-25 14:31:17 +0000 <merijn> nschoe: There's no official aarch64 binary, afaik, that's probably why?
2020-10-25 14:31:52 +0000 <uhrenmacher> ahh, hey ma haskell ppl, nice to c ya'! Ok, I know Python, Java, Javscript, Bash and C, but since I really wanted to learn a proper lang, I would like to learn something like Lisp or Haskell. What are the main differnces between Lisp and Haskell? I run Void Linux atm, so compaitibility in terms of compilers shouldn't be a problem.
2020-10-25 14:32:01 +0000 <nschoe> merijn: I'm running NixOS and I was asking about that :)
2020-10-25 14:32:02 +0000 <uhrenmacher> Like why do you use Haskell and not Lisp?
2020-10-25 14:32:07 +0000 <geekosaur> "binary cache" tells me that was a nix question
2020-10-25 14:32:23 +0000 <nschoe> geekosaur: it was indeed :)
2020-10-25 14:32:56 +0000 <nschoe> geekosaur: I thought I was in the #nixos-aarch64 IRC channel, but it switched back to #haskell for some reason (prob. an unwanted mouse wheel scroll ^^)
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2020-10-25 14:40:42 +0000 <Zetagon> uhrenmacher: Common Lisp and Haskell doesn't have that much in common with each other. Haskell has a nice static type system, is purely functional and uses non-strict evaluation. Common Lisp is homoiconic (code and data is basically the same thing and have the same syntax which means it has a simple syntax and powerful macros.
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2020-10-25 14:41:57 +0000hackagetasty 1.4 - Modern and extensible testing framework https://hackage.haskell.org/package/tasty-1.4 (RomanCheplyaka)
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2020-10-25 14:45:25 +0000 <merijn> uhrenmacher: eh, I would sooner ask what the similarities between lisp and haskell are, tbh
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2020-10-25 14:46:21 +0000 <merijn> And beyond "you can define functions and variables" I can't think of a whole lotta similarities...
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2020-10-25 14:49:13 +0000 <Zetagon> Except both being programming languages
2020-10-25 14:50:08 +0000 <Zetagon> dammit I forgot to close my parenthesis )
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2020-10-25 14:55:06 +0000 <asheshambasta> for cabal errors like these https://gist.github.com/asheshambasta/657363a06647b4e56170be2824c05360, what's the best way to go about debugging them? From what I can see, cabal says that packages servant-reflex & bulmex disagree on the reflex version to use. However, I've gone through the source of servant-reflex (its being depended on locally) and removed all bounds on the reflex versions I could find.
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2020-10-25 14:55:37 +0000 <Guest63439> hey, im struggling with a really simple task... i would like to print a map in console for debugging purpose
2020-10-25 14:56:12 +0000 <Guest63439> im trying to use trace from Debug.trace but it prints nothing for now
2020-10-25 14:56:27 +0000 <voso534> and what is the problem? If keys and values have Show instances, just print it. Also you can you some pretty-print library
2020-10-25 14:57:05 +0000 <Guest63439> im trying to figure how to actually print
2020-10-25 14:57:16 +0000 <voso534> maybe your mp is empty? Is it possible? Try to convert it to a list and print it with the trace
2020-10-25 14:57:37 +0000 <Guest63439> i dont even print the string that i pass as first argument
2020-10-25 14:57:52 +0000 <voso534> maybe the value is not evaluating at all
2020-10-25 14:58:11 +0000 <Guest63439> https://pastebin.com/f03b2g3s i would like to print newState
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2020-10-25 14:58:42 +0000 <Guest63439> by for example adding : trace "hello" newState after the let declarations
2020-10-25 14:58:55 +0000 <fendor_> asheshambasta, this looks weird to me: `reflex==0.7.1.0/installed-1Wm` are you using ghcjs?
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2020-10-25 14:59:17 +0000 <asheshambasta> fendor_: yes, I'm using reflex-platform to fire up nix-shells with the dependencies.
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2020-10-25 14:59:40 +0000 <voso534> Guest63439 I usually add print on the first line, if it works, then in the next line and so on and... then I find where no more printing :)
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2020-10-25 15:00:14 +0000 <fendor> asheshambasta, then I guess that servant-reflex depends on a pre-installed version of reflex... similar to how ghc only works with a pre-installed version of base. Would be my uneducated guess here
2020-10-25 15:00:26 +0000 <asheshambasta> And in this case, servant-reflex is an overriden package, which I'm including via callCabal2nix on some path. When I drop to this path and fire up a nix-shell with a cabal repl, I can confirm that the package compiles at the same reflex-platform verison.
2020-10-25 15:00:33 +0000 <voso534> Guest63439 `If the MVar is currently empty, takeMVar will wait until it is full. ` - maybe takeMVar is waiting?
2020-10-25 15:00:48 +0000 <asheshambasta> fendor: pre-installed?
2020-10-25 15:01:15 +0000 <Guest63439> voso534 i dont think so since the function keep being called recursively
2020-10-25 15:01:24 +0000 <Guest63439> i was wondering if syntaxically, the way is use trace is correct
2020-10-25 15:01:34 +0000 <Guest63439> i*
2020-10-25 15:01:39 +0000 <voso534> Guest63439 even hGetLine may wait.... Try to add print as the first line of your function
2020-10-25 15:01:44 +0000 <merijn> Guest63439: What are you calling it with, though?
2020-10-25 15:02:00 +0000 <merijn> Guest63439: Because if the first call to "talk" gets an empty MVar it will block and stay empty forever
2020-10-25 15:02:42 +0000 <fendor> asheshambasta, like, for a single ghc version, you can't switch the version of base that it uses, right? You will get a similar error message with cabal. Maybe it is the same for ghcjs, you can't change the reflex version for your ghcjs, but some dependency needs another reflex version.
2020-10-25 15:03:17 +0000 <fendor> in that sense, every ghc version comes with a base version pre-installed in its packagedb that can not be changed.
2020-10-25 15:03:33 +0000 <voso534> Guest63439 I mean something like
2020-10-25 15:03:36 +0000 <voso534> ```
2020-10-25 15:03:52 +0000 <Guest63439> yep if i add a print at the top of the function i can see it every time i should
2020-10-25 15:03:58 +0000 <voso534> heck... how to write multiline here? )
2020-10-25 15:04:00 +0000 <Guest63439> the MVar should never be empty
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2020-10-25 15:04:40 +0000 <asheshambasta> fendor: correct, although I'd expect there to be a way to verify that? There's nothing in the servant-reflex.cabal file that I consider suspect.
2020-10-25 15:04:45 +0000 <merijn> Guest63439: You're not calling talk (well, except recursively) in that code
2020-10-25 15:04:48 +0000 <voso534> OK, what happens with the print after hGetLine? Is it shown?
2020-10-25 15:05:03 +0000 <Guest63439> i didnt past the whole script
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2020-10-25 15:05:05 +0000 <merijn> Guest63439: Without seeing how you initially call "talk" it's impossible to say
2020-10-25 15:05:38 +0000 <Guest63439> how woud you trace the let called "newState" in this function ?
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2020-10-25 15:06:03 +0000 <asheshambasta> fendor: not to forget, going to the locally checked out servant-reflex dir., I'm able to update its reflex-platform branch/rev to the same as my project (that depends on servant-reflex), and I can successfully run `nix-shell --run 'cabal new-repl'`; which, I assume, would use the same GHC/GHCJS version?
2020-10-25 15:06:06 +0000 <merijn> @quote refreshing.desert
2020-10-25 15:06:06 +0000 <lambdabot> chromatic says: My productivity increased when Autrijus told me about Haskell's trace function. He called it a refreshing desert in the oasis of referential transparency.
2020-10-25 15:06:10 +0000 <merijn> Guest63439: ^^
2020-10-25 15:06:30 +0000 <merijn> See the Debug.Trace module
2020-10-25 15:06:45 +0000 <voso534> you can wrap newState everywhere where do you like - right hand of let for example. If it's evaluating then it will be shown on the console
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2020-10-25 15:07:04 +0000 <fendor> asheshambasta, hm, if my theory holds, then it is only coincidentally a dependency problem with servant-reflex. You can try to remove that dependency and see if it finds a build-plan.
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2020-10-25 15:07:34 +0000 <asheshambasta> If I remove servant-reflex as a dependency, things build.
2020-10-25 15:07:46 +0000 <voso534> but I think if you will add all those `print`s (after each line), then you will see that the code is blocked somewhere - it's my hypotheses
2020-10-25 15:08:07 +0000 <asheshambasta> I didn't even know what cabal meant with .../installed-...
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2020-10-25 15:08:50 +0000 <fendor> oh well, if that works, I don't know then :(
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2020-10-25 15:09:32 +0000 <Guest63439> voso534 i tried and i can see that the code is executing from the start to the end, i think i dont understand how trace is supposed to be used inside a "do" statement
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2020-10-25 15:10:19 +0000 <asheshambasta> to me it seems like bulmex and servant-reflex cannot agree on the reflex version; and the message with .../installed is a complete mystery to me; and I find no signs of version bounds on reflex in either bulmex nor in servant-reflex.
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2020-10-25 15:10:41 +0000 <asheshambasta> (both are overriden packages in my reflex `project`)
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2020-10-25 15:13:19 +0000 <fendor> asheshambasta, what reflex version does your project have when you do not depend on servant-reflex?
2020-10-25 15:13:45 +0000 <voso534> Guest63439 hm... another idea is to declare strict variable with `let`, something like `let !newState = traceShow result (fst result)`
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2020-10-25 15:15:03 +0000 <asheshambasta> fendor: I believe that's decided by the pinned reflex-platform version no? If so, I'm using https://gist.github.com/asheshambasta/423fd27b04c37e2a8f14bf84068f139a#file-sources-json-L50-L61
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2020-10-25 15:15:32 +0000 <fendor> I have no idea about the reflex-platform, unfortunately
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2020-10-25 15:15:47 +0000 <Guest63439> voso534 here : https://pastebin.com/he2cch9e still printing nothing :/
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2020-10-25 15:16:40 +0000 <asheshambasta> fendor: AFAICS, it is a curated set of packages within nix (further curation, yay!))
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2020-10-25 15:18:27 +0000 <voso534> Guest63439 1) do you see "test2" in the console? 2) more correct is IMHO to use trace/traceShow with the value which is used actually, `x` is not used, so maybe it's not evaluated at all. Better use trace/traceShow directly in the declaration of the newState
2020-10-25 15:19:28 +0000 <Guest63439> voso534 do see test2, i will try to use it in newState declaration
2020-10-25 15:21:11 +0000 <asheshambasta> fendor: anyway, thanks for helping. I think I understand cabal less and less as time goes on. :-)
2020-10-25 15:21:41 +0000 <fendor> not sure this is cabal's fault, though :/
2020-10-25 15:21:56 +0000 <fendor> the concept of pre-installed libraries is a bit hard to grasp, imo
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2020-10-25 15:23:39 +0000 <asheshambasta> yeah agreed, I think nix also makes this harder to understand.
2020-10-25 15:25:41 +0000 <Guest63439> ok i got something, thanks voso534... i guess newState is never executed, by calling trace inside the answer declaration it works
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2020-10-25 15:28:24 +0000 <voso534> Guest63439 (y) if something is not used in Haskell, it's not evaluated ("executed")
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2020-10-25 16:06:35 +0000 <asheshambasta> fendor: I think what would also help a lot is if cabal could specify where-from/why it required these bounds.
2020-10-25 16:07:25 +0000 <fendor> asheshambasta, totally agree, but explaining a build-plan is a ton of work. It already tries, but its output is mainly readable by experts
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2020-10-25 16:19:30 +0000 <asheshambasta> fendor: yeah, I think I'd just be happy with some indication of the cabal file it read those bounds from. It seems to say that bulmex needs a range of reflex versions, but I find no mention of these bounds in the locally checked out bulmex directoryl.
2020-10-25 16:20:09 +0000 <asheshambasta> I suspect these reflex version bounds come from a rejected version of bulmex, it does say that it rejects a set of bulmex versions.
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2020-10-25 16:34:38 +0000 <asheshambasta> fendor: there's this discussion too: https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/9rmh9s/how_to_read_cabal_solver_failure_output/
2020-10-25 16:35:25 +0000 <fendor> yeah, I guess one issue is that dependency solving is NP hard and the certificate for a negative instance can explode so incredibly...
2020-10-25 16:35:50 +0000 <cebola> is there a ghc extension that allows turning an arbitrary expression into an infix op: [1] `(liftA2 (:))` [[]]
2020-10-25 16:36:46 +0000 <monsterchrom> No.
2020-10-25 16:38:02 +0000 <asheshambasta> fendor: but I still think that this error message is misleading. Given that I'm 100% sure that there's no mention of version bounds on reflex inside of servant-reflex (I've even grepped the entire tree), cabal should be telling me why it wants reflex == 0.7.1.0 for servant-reflex.
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2020-10-25 16:40:28 +0000 <asheshambasta> I even verified that I'm not being an idiot and importing the source from a directory on my local machine with `callCabal2nix`. There's also no `package.yaml` etc in the servant-reflex tree (callCabal2nix secretly using hpack when it sees a package.yaml has also been a huge source of grief for me)
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2020-10-25 16:41:20 +0000 <asheshambasta> (in all honesty, callCabal2nix when using hpack does output some hpack output, but that quickly gets lost since nix outputs are quite verbose.)
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2020-10-25 18:56:45 +0000 <ddellacosta> anyone know how I can pass an argument to floskell as my formatter when using lsp in emacs?
2020-10-25 18:59:43 +0000 <fendor> ddellacosta, configuration file in the top-level of your project?
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2020-10-25 19:01:06 +0000 <ddellacosta> fendor: I'm looking for something a bit more specific, like which file and what directives I need to use and etc. I've figured out that I can set the formatter in my emacs config, so wondering if there's a similar directive to set the formatter args, but not seeing one in the various emacs lsp packages
2020-10-25 19:01:49 +0000 <ddellacosta> figured there may be someone else in #haskell who has a similar setup but understand this may be niche
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2020-10-25 20:10:54 +0000 <ixlun> Is it possible to pattern match on a partially applied Value constructor?
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2020-10-25 20:19:53 +0000 <opqdonut> ixlun: no
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2020-10-25 20:20:38 +0000 <geekosaur> that sounds confused. a partially applied constructor is a function, not a value, so no pattern matching
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2020-10-25 20:20:55 +0000 <ixlun> I thought as much
2020-10-25 20:21:08 +0000 <ixlun> It probably smacks of bad design if I'm running into that problem
2020-10-25 20:21:14 +0000 <geekosaur> you do not have a thing of type Value to pattern match on, you have a (something -> Value)
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2020-10-25 20:36:20 +0000 <ixlun> Can anyone think of a nicer way to write this function? https://termbin.com/i0im
2020-10-25 20:36:33 +0000 <ixlun> It feels like there should be a nicer way than what I'm doing.
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2020-10-25 20:48:38 +0000 <koz_> Do I have to do nested catches or something?
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2020-10-25 20:53:47 +0000 <monsterchrom> koz_: Control.Exception.catches is preferred. It also explains why nesting has an issue.
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2020-10-25 20:55:27 +0000 <koz_> monsterchrom: Thanks, that's actually very helpful!
2020-10-25 20:55:40 +0000 <koz_> ... also, I _just_ realized who you (likely) are and I feel super daft.
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2020-10-25 20:56:27 +0000 <Rembane> monsterchrom: Are you having a Halloween nick?
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2020-10-25 21:02:28 +0000 <monsterchrom> I was inspired by ghoulguy. Also watch out for dimwitch.
2020-10-25 21:02:48 +0000 <monsterchrom> ghoulguy in turn was inspired by people in #freenode or something.
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2020-10-25 21:03:19 +0000 <MarcelineVQ> he said deadk did it to him
2020-10-25 21:03:35 +0000 <monsterchrom> Yes this name game is stress-testing your unification algorithms! >:)
2020-10-25 21:04:39 +0000 <MarcelineVQ> I should think up a christmas name instead I guess
2020-10-25 21:05:20 +0000 <MarcelineVQ> MerrycelineCM is just nonsense tho
2020-10-25 21:05:32 +0000 <jbox> I'm having trouble getting a dev environment set up. Vim (coc.nvim) keeps yelling at me that it can't find `import XMonad`, but I can reload xmonad just fine and it doesn't complain
2020-10-25 21:06:53 +0000 <jbox> I should be using ghcup instead of my distribution package manager, right?
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2020-10-25 21:07:54 +0000 <koz_> monsterchrom: Less unification, more fuzzy matching.
2020-10-25 21:07:58 +0000hackagereform-happstack 0.2.5.4 - Happstack support for reform. https://hackage.haskell.org/package/reform-happstack-0.2.5.4 (JeremyShaw)
2020-10-25 21:08:14 +0000 <koz_> jbox: For _development_, 100% use ghcup,
2020-10-25 21:09:40 +0000 <Rembane> monsterchrom: Good stuff! :D
2020-10-25 21:13:14 +0000 <Uniaika> fantastic nick change, ghoulguy and monsterchrom
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2020-10-25 21:17:45 +0000 <jbox> vim (coc.vim) complains that: [coc.nvim] No [cradle](https://github.com/mpickering/hie-bios#hie-bios) found for .xmonad/xmonad.hs. Proceeding with [implicit cradle](https://hackage.haskell.org/package/implicit-hie)
2020-10-25 21:17:54 +0000 <jbox> What should I do about this? I have cradle installed
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2020-10-25 21:18:13 +0000 <jbox> wait, no I don't
2020-10-25 21:18:21 +0000 <jbox> I can't execute `cradle`, but ghcup says it's installed
2020-10-25 21:18:42 +0000 <maerwald> cradle?
2020-10-25 21:19:28 +0000 <koz_> ghcup doesn't install anything other than GHC, hie and cabal I don't think.
2020-10-25 21:19:46 +0000 <monsterchrom> Not hie, rather hls.
2020-10-25 21:19:52 +0000 <maerwald> https://hackage.haskell.org/package/implicit-hie
2020-10-25 21:19:56 +0000 <monsterchrom> Definitely doesn't know wth is "cradle".
2020-10-25 21:20:01 +0000 <maerwald> install that and run `gen-hie`
2020-10-25 21:20:07 +0000 <maerwald> that's probably what they meant
2020-10-25 21:20:20 +0000 <koz_> I should just start calling it 'that thing that does IDE stuff Koz doesn't care about starting with h'.
2020-10-25 21:20:30 +0000 <monsterchrom> :)
2020-10-25 21:20:33 +0000 <Uniaika> koz_: himplicit-hie? :D
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2020-10-25 21:20:42 +0000 <koz_> (possibly with the appendage 'because it never works for him')
2020-10-25 21:20:43 +0000 <monsterchrom> You can always use "ghcup list" to see what ghcup knows.
2020-10-25 21:20:46 +0000 <koz_> Uniaika: Maybe that.
2020-10-25 21:21:01 +0000 <jbox> sorry, I meant cabal instead of cradle
2020-10-25 21:21:02 +0000 <maerwald> I also decided to use stack for hls, so that it doesn't interfere with the running cabal (hls invalidates cabal cache or something)
2020-10-25 21:21:03 +0000 <jbox> I can't execuet cabal
2020-10-25 21:21:25 +0000 <monsterchrom> OK, read up on "the PATH environment variable"
2020-10-25 21:22:15 +0000 <jbox> sorry, noob mistake LMAO
2020-10-25 21:22:37 +0000 <jbox> I'm so used to installing stuff with my distribution package managers hehe
2020-10-25 21:22:40 +0000 <monsterchrom> Everyone was a noob once. Not an excuse.
2020-10-25 21:22:59 +0000 <maerwald> jbox: source ~/.ghcup/env
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2020-10-25 21:26:46 +0000 <jbox> maerwald: thank you! I would have just added stuff to $path in my .zshrc manually if you hadn't pointed that out :)
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2020-10-25 21:29:35 +0000 <jbox> vim (coc.nvim) still yells at me though. First it tells me that: No [cradle](https://github.com/mpickering/hie-bios#hie-bios) found for .xmonad/xmonad.hs. Proceeding with [implicit cradle](https://hackage.haskell.org/package/implicit-hie). Then it tells me that it can't find the 'XMonad' (and more) module, yet it exists, since xmonad runs fine and doesn't complain when I reload
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2020-10-25 21:31:57 +0000 <maerwald> there's a #haskell-ide-engine channel btw
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2020-10-25 21:32:19 +0000 <jbox> oh, thank you. This would probably be better there. Have a good one :)
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2020-10-25 21:59:22 +0000 <ddellacosta> are there any standard ways of using persistent-generated records with lens, or rather, generating lenses?
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2020-10-25 22:02:15 +0000 <koz_> ddellacosta: What's persistent-generated?
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2020-10-25 22:02:40 +0000 <Uniaika> koz_: generated by the 'persistent' library I'd say?
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2020-10-25 22:02:57 +0000 <ddellacosta> oh yeah, I mean the stuff that the quasi-quoter boilerplate spits out
2020-10-25 22:03:00 +0000 <koz_> Uniaika: Ah, well, I assumed the all-lower-case-and-hyphen referred to a package.
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2020-10-25 22:03:15 +0000 <ddellacosta> yeah I can understand, sorry for the confusing way I wrote that
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2020-10-25 22:04:08 +0000 <koz_> If you want 'generated lenses' in general, you might look at generic-lens.
2020-10-25 22:04:16 +0000 <koz_> However I cannot in good conscience recommend the use of that package.
2020-10-25 22:04:32 +0000 <koz_> (but then again, you're already using persistent so what's one more...)
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2020-10-25 22:05:18 +0000 <koz_> s/might look/might wanna look/
2020-10-25 22:05:27 +0000 <ddellacosta> koz_: why would you not recommend generic-lens? (I actually just ended up there myself)
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2020-10-25 22:05:38 +0000 <koz_> ddellacosta: Because it's type errors are unreadable gore.
2020-10-25 22:05:43 +0000 <koz_> s/it's/its/
2020-10-25 22:05:44 +0000 <ddellacosta> ah, fair enough
2020-10-25 22:05:49 +0000 <ddellacosta> I can imagine actually
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2020-10-25 22:06:08 +0000 <koz_> And the entire premise of the library is _extremely_ flawed IMHO, since once you derive Generic for something, you can wave goodbye to _any_ internal invariants.
2020-10-25 22:06:38 +0000 <koz_> And honestly, most of the 'automagic via Generic' designs are at best confusing.
2020-10-25 22:06:41 +0000 <ddellacosta> koz_: what do you mean by "internal invariants?" Or I guess "internal" in particular
2020-10-25 22:06:54 +0000 <koz_> (and quite questionable anyway, since there isn't typically a One True Way to be a type class instance)
2020-10-25 22:07:14 +0000 <koz_> ddellacosta: Consider something like 'I have an Int in this data structure and it's always positive'.
2020-10-25 22:07:37 +0000 <koz_> You can do that with smart constructors easily, but once you have a Generic instance, it's basically broken (or breakable) and there's nothing you can do about it.
2020-10-25 22:07:49 +0000p3n(~p3n@217.198.124.246)
2020-10-25 22:07:50 +0000 <koz_> For a less trivial example, consider the internal representation of Data.Map.
2020-10-25 22:08:08 +0000 <koz_> It's a self-balancing binary tree, but the type system can't guarantee that its invariants hold.
2020-10-25 22:08:23 +0000 <koz_> Derive Generic for something like that, and those invariants are now breakable by _anyone_.
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2020-10-25 22:08:55 +0000 <koz_> Because when you derive Generic, you gain the ability to both _read_ the generic structure, but also create new ones and magic it into the type, provided it type checks.
2020-10-25 22:09:05 +0000 <koz_> And you can't opt out of the latter in _any way whatsoever_.
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2020-10-25 22:10:20 +0000 <ddellacosta> koz_: okay, I think I'm starting to understand what you mean, but in the end isn't it a reasonable tradeoff to make if you're using it in an application context? Presumably you're able to understand if it would break any invariants you wish to avoid breaking
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2020-10-25 22:10:43 +0000 <koz_> Uhh, I don't get how that even makes sense.
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2020-10-25 22:11:02 +0000 <ddellacosta> well, maybe I don't understand your point yet then
2020-10-25 22:11:16 +0000 <koz_> You have a self-balancing binary tree. Its invariants can only be preserved by hiding its representation and not allowing people to construct one arbitrarily. Generic _exposes_ that representation and allows _anyone_ to construct one arbitrarily.
2020-10-25 22:11:21 +0000 <koz_> And there is _nothing_ you can do about it.
2020-10-25 22:11:56 +0000 <koz_> Once you derive Generic, any invariant over your data structure that is _not_ imposed by the type system is gone, and _anyone_ can violate said invariants.
2020-10-25 22:12:08 +0000 <koz_> It doesn't matter if it's 'an application context' or not.
2020-10-25 22:12:29 +0000 <koz_> If I can import your type, I can get its Generic instance and your invariants are screwed if I want them to be, end of story.
2020-10-25 22:13:17 +0000 <koz_> Not 'if I can import your type's data constructors'. Not 'if I can import your type's smart constructors'. If I can import your type _as such_.
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2020-10-25 22:13:58 +0000 <jbox> is stack or cabal the recommended tool?
2020-10-25 22:14:10 +0000 <koz_> jbox: Do you _want_ to start a religious argument LOL?
2020-10-25 22:14:17 +0000 <koz_> More seriously, it depends on who you ask.
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2020-10-25 22:14:24 +0000 <jbox> oh, sorry, I didn't know that was a sensitive topic haha
2020-10-25 22:14:26 +0000 <koz_> I certainly have an opinion, everyone else does too.
2020-10-25 22:14:30 +0000 <jbox> Is it like npm vs yarn?
2020-10-25 22:14:30 +0000geowiesnot(~user@87-89-181-157.abo.bbox.fr)
2020-10-25 22:14:40 +0000 <koz_> jbox: I wouldn't know because I'm wilfully ignorant of anything JS.
2020-10-25 22:14:47 +0000 <jbox> me too tbh haha
2020-10-25 22:14:50 +0000 <ddellacosta> koz_: I suppose what I meant was, one could decide not to derive generic on a Map, for example
2020-10-25 22:14:58 +0000 <koz_> ddellacosta: OK, sure, I agree.
2020-10-25 22:15:10 +0000 <koz_> But if you want to use generic-lens for your type, you have to derive Generic.
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2020-10-25 22:15:23 +0000 <ddellacosta> I guess I'm not sure if you're suggesting that Generics are generally bad, or just in certain contexts?
2020-10-25 22:15:23 +0000 <koz_> Ditto for automagic Hashable, ditto automagic FromJSON/ToJSON, etc etc etc.
2020-10-25 22:15:53 +0000 <koz_> I'm suggesting that once you derive Generic you can't have any invariants on that type that the type system itself does not enforce.
2020-10-25 22:16:10 +0000 <koz_> Therefore, for any such type, anythign autoderivable via Generic basically becomes 'you give up your internal invariants lol'.
2020-10-25 22:16:24 +0000 <ddellacosta> koz_: okay, I guess I have to think harder about the implications of that. I'm mostly considering my experience of using generics in various contexts and finding it pretty nice
2020-10-25 22:16:41 +0000 <koz_> ddellacosta: YMMV. If the type already exposes its data constructors it makes no difference.
2020-10-25 22:16:49 +0000 <koz_> If it _doesn't_, then it could be an issue.
2020-10-25 22:17:29 +0000 <ddellacosta> in any case, I think I'm bailing on generic-lens for now lol
2020-10-25 22:17:49 +0000 <koz_> The issues behind generic-lens are mostly 'its type errors are an ungodly slurry'.
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2020-10-25 22:18:16 +0000 <jbox> I was told that vim (coc.nvim) wasn't detecting the XMonad library because it wasn't in my global environment. Should I have installed xmonad with ghcup or something? I installed it with pacman (the arch linux package manager)
2020-10-25 22:18:21 +0000 <koz_> Speaking from having to understand them on numerous occasions, for a codebase I didn't write, when it was causing issues due to a _minor_ version lift of generic-lens.
2020-10-25 22:18:25 +0000 <ddellacosta> yeah I can't really justify adding it to this project at this point, I'm just being lazy because I know I can do what I want trivially with a traversal
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2020-10-25 22:20:10 +0000 <koz_> (I ended up just pinning to the lower version because otherwise it was impossible)
2020-10-25 22:20:22 +0000 <gattytto> good evening :waves:
2020-10-25 22:20:30 +0000 <koz_> gattytto: Sup?
2020-10-25 22:20:34 +0000 <ddellacosta> seems reasonable
2020-10-25 22:21:50 +0000 <gattytto> I came yesterday with questions about limiting memory to haskell builds. It seems like the following: cabal build -j1 --ghc-options=" +RTS -M3000M -RTS" ... works but the same using stack doesn't and triggers a "out of memory" error
2020-10-25 22:21:54 +0000 <gattytto> is this expectable?
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2020-10-25 22:22:37 +0000 <gattytto> this is the project I'm testing with: github/gattytto/example-servant-minimal
2020-10-25 22:23:13 +0000 <gattytto> my usecase is a web ide with a pre-packed dockerfile (based in official haskell's) that contains ghc 8.10.1 so I forked and touched the stack.yaml to add the extra-deps to it
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2020-10-25 22:23:26 +0000 <gattytto> which are a lot and specifically aeson produces the out of memory
2020-10-25 22:23:47 +0000 <koz_> aeson would, honestly.
2020-10-25 22:24:21 +0000 <koz_> gattytto: You might be able to avoid most of the extra-deps if you use a nightly.
2020-10-25 22:24:28 +0000 <koz_> I assume you're on an LTS snapshot?
2020-10-25 22:24:56 +0000 <gattytto> I'm using ghc-8.10.1 as resolver and system-ghc is the same, using 8.10.1-buster as the base image for my env
2020-10-25 22:25:13 +0000 <koz_> gattytto: ghc-8.10.1 is not a 'resolver' in the stack sense.
2020-10-25 22:25:20 +0000 <koz_> What's the 'resolver' field in your stack.yaml say?
2020-10-25 22:25:31 +0000 <gattytto> resolver: ghc-8.10.1
2020-10-25 22:25:39 +0000 <koz_> ... huh
2020-10-25 22:25:45 +0000 <koz_> That's a thing?
2020-10-25 22:25:58 +0000 <gattytto> yes it prevents it from re-downloading some other version of ghc to build
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2020-10-25 22:26:06 +0000 <gattytto> and uses system's one instead
2020-10-25 22:26:23 +0000 <koz_> OK, well, then you might wanna wait for a stack expert.
2020-10-25 22:26:32 +0000 <gattytto> first time I try to build the forked project (probably made with 8.6.x) it starts recommending extra-deps
2020-10-25 22:26:51 +0000 <gattytto> so I add them all to extra-deps in stack.yaml, which ends up being around 98 of them xD
2020-10-25 22:27:15 +0000 <koz_> Ah, so it's just 'FPComplete never update any of their templates', lol.
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2020-10-25 22:27:46 +0000 <gattytto> after a while using the mentioned cabal build line, I get: "Linking /projects/src/github.com/gattytto/example-servant-minimal/dist-newstyle/build/x86_64-linux/ghc-8.10.1/example-servant-minimal-0.0.0/x/example-servant-minimal/build/example-servant-minimal/example-servant-minimal ..."
2020-10-25 22:27:57 +0000 <gattytto> I'm guessing cabal made it
2020-10-25 22:28:34 +0000 <gattytto> but issuing: stack build -j1 --ghc-options=" +RTS -M3000M -RTS" ... triggers the oom
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2020-10-25 22:29:13 +0000 <gattytto> so my question is if either stack isn't passing the ghc options or ghc is doing stuff differently when called from cabal than when called from stack
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2020-10-25 22:53:17 +0000 <_deepfire> What's the catch about mixing unlifted types with regular types -- like f.e. using unboxed tuples as values in Data.Map.Map's?
2020-10-25 22:53:43 +0000 <_deepfire> Is it even possible?
2020-10-25 22:53:52 +0000 <monsterchrom> \∩/ Larry Paulson's book "ML for the working programmer" contains this sentence "This sort of things is easier in Haskell"
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2020-10-25 22:55:00 +0000 <dolio> Hahaha.
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2020-10-25 22:55:29 +0000 <dolio> _deepfire: No, it's not possible.
2020-10-25 22:56:06 +0000 <dolio> Unboxed tuples aren't just unlifted, they don't have a uniform calling convention, so it doesn't really make any sense.
2020-10-25 22:56:19 +0000 <monsterchrom> It is in a section that uses "L a = a x (unit -> L)" to implement lazy lists.
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2020-10-25 22:57:16 +0000 <motte> hi, could anyone explain how to exception handling with the req http library?
2020-10-25 22:57:27 +0000 <motte> to do*
2020-10-25 22:57:51 +0000 <dolio> Are they actually lazy, though?
2020-10-25 22:57:56 +0000 <_deepfire> dolio: I see, thank you!
2020-10-25 22:58:03 +0000 <koz_> motte: I guess you want this? http://hackage.haskell.org/package/req-3.7.0/docs/Network-HTTP-Req.html#v:handleHttpException
2020-10-25 22:58:12 +0000 <motte> the documentation suggests to create my own monad and then define the handleHttpException method, but i'm not sure what that really means
2020-10-25 22:58:23 +0000 <dolio> Or just call-by-name?
2020-10-25 22:58:23 +0000 <motte> koz_: yes!
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2020-10-25 22:58:56 +0000 <koz_> motte: If you don't need anything 'extra', you can just work in 'Req'.
2020-10-25 22:59:10 +0000 <koz_> If you don't understand what 'anything extra' means, basically use 'Req'.
2020-10-25 22:59:17 +0000crestfallen(~John@135-180-15-188.fiber.dynamic.sonic.net)
2020-10-25 22:59:28 +0000 <koz_> So everywhere you see 'MonadHttp m', mentally sub 'm' for 'Req' in the signatures.
2020-10-25 23:00:22 +0000 <motte> oh.. so can i "override" the handleHttpException somehow?
2020-10-25 23:00:50 +0000 <koz_> motte: I guess the term 'monad transformer' is new to you?
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2020-10-25 23:01:03 +0000 <motte> it indeed is
2020-10-25 23:01:13 +0000 <koz_> Then basically don't worry about it.
2020-10-25 23:01:16 +0000 <koz_> Just work in Req.
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2020-10-25 23:02:19 +0000 <crestfallen> hi I'm having trouble in ghci. I upgraded cabal to 3.2.0.0 and ghci is at 8.4.4. when I attempt to move the cursor from right to left to edit, the cursor jumps up into the scrollback, for lack of a better explanation. this is a debian 10 machine. anyone have that issue?
2020-10-25 23:02:30 +0000 <motte> i basically want to return an Either String String from a function that does a GET request, where Left would contain a status code
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2020-10-25 23:03:00 +0000 <koz_> motte: So what's the closest thing you found to what you think you need?
2020-10-25 23:03:10 +0000 <motte> using catch
2020-10-25 23:03:12 +0000 <koz_> I guess there's some 'make a GET request' function?
2020-10-25 23:03:41 +0000 <motte> yes, i can make the get request, the only problem is the error handling
2020-10-25 23:03:50 +0000 <koz_> motte: OK, so you need to basically do this.
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2020-10-25 23:05:56 +0000 <koz_> catch thingThatMakesYourRequest handler
2020-10-25 23:06:07 +0000 <crestfallen> yeah also I'm having the exact problem on another debian 10 machine at work.
2020-10-25 23:06:15 +0000 <koz_> Where handler will be typed as 'HttpException -> Req a'.
2020-10-25 23:06:25 +0000 <koz_> Then you can take the exception apart and figure out what went wrong.
2020-10-25 23:06:29 +0000 <koz_> And then proceed accordingly.
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2020-10-25 23:07:09 +0000 <motte> koz_: right. but the nicer way would be using a monad transformer?
2020-10-25 23:07:16 +0000 <koz_> motte: Orthogonal.
2020-10-25 23:07:19 +0000 <gattytto> I think I found why my build is failing, seems like "stack" doesn't have a "--ghc-options" arg
2020-10-25 23:07:23 +0000 <koz_> Literally don't even concern yourself with this./
2020-10-25 23:07:39 +0000 <crestfallen> almost unusable... any ideas?
2020-10-25 23:07:54 +0000 <motte> koz_: alright, thanks a lot!
2020-10-25 23:08:38 +0000 <gattytto> crestfallen: what IDE are you using?
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2020-10-25 23:09:51 +0000 <crestfallen> gattytto, it's just the ghci that comes with cabal, in terminal. I use vim but its unrelated
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2020-10-25 23:11:34 +0000 <crestfallen> the cursor jumps up and travel to the left above the prompt line.
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2020-10-25 23:21:36 +0000 <crestfallen> anyone have this issue? ^ frustrated..
2020-10-25 23:21:57 +0000 <gattytto> from what terminal are you running ghci ?
2020-10-25 23:22:04 +0000 <gattytto> bash/zsh?
2020-10-25 23:23:03 +0000 <crestfallen> bash on xTerm
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2020-10-25 23:25:31 +0000 <gattytto> can you try without the desktop? like, CTRL+ALT+F1 and go to ghci from that shell?
2020-10-25 23:25:57 +0000 <crestfallen> gattytto, thanks, yeah I can barely use it. It loads programs fine, but you cannot travel right to left, or delete
2020-10-25 23:26:05 +0000 <crestfallen> ok one moment thanks
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2020-10-25 23:28:06 +0000 <gattytto> ouch
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2020-10-25 23:31:20 +0000 <monsterchrom> dolio: Right, it is not the Haskell sense of lazy. It has the aspect of on-demand, but it also gets re-computed every time.
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2020-10-25 23:33:08 +0000 <dolio> Right, because it's even worse to do proper laziness. :)
2020-10-25 23:33:11 +0000 <gattytto> crestfallen: sorry I forgot to tell you, ctrl+alt+f7 will get you back to your window manager
2020-10-25 23:33:33 +0000 <dolio> Or, even harder, rather.
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2020-10-25 23:38:07 +0000 <crestfallen> gattytto, thanks, I'm in another desktop, default x10 or something? it's not gnome, my normal desktop. but the problem remains. ctrl alt f1 didn't give me a skeletal terminal or anything.
2020-10-25 23:38:24 +0000 <gattytto> try the other f's before 7
2020-10-25 23:38:28 +0000 <gattytto> like 2, 3 and 4
2020-10-25 23:39:01 +0000 <crestfallen> thanks let me start a macbook for the chat
2020-10-25 23:39:33 +0000 <jbox> I've been trying to get my dev environment to work (get hie to recognize that xmonad is, in fact, installed), and somehow I borked everything
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2020-10-25 23:39:40 +0000 <jbox> stack won't even run now
2020-10-25 23:39:43 +0000 <jbox> stack: error while loading shared libraries: libHShpc-0.6.1.0-ghc8.10.2.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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2020-10-25 23:52:14 +0000 <dolio> monsterchrom: That's kind of the irony behind rants about Haskell having the 'wrong' data types relative to ML. They both have all the same data types, but you have to do a lot of work to actually do laziness in ML, while to get the ML sort of type in Haskell you just need to put ! on things.
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2020-10-25 23:56:09 +0000 <monsterchrom> Yeah
2020-10-25 23:57:07 +0000 <gattytto> how can I put "+RTS -M3000M" in stack.yaml ghc-options: ? it seems to split them separately
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2020-10-25 23:59:39 +0000 <crestfal1en> gattytto: hi I'm in x11 and the problem is not occuring. it's like a minimal terminal not sure!