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2021-03-23 00:06:47 +0100 <mc47> awesome :D
2021-03-23 00:12:00 +0100 <yakamo> minimal rules
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2021-03-23 01:12:15 +0100 <heck-to-the-gnom> yeah! Pretty snazzy
2021-03-23 01:12:31 +0100 <heck-to-the-gnom> I think that it could do with a dark mode, idk, might just be me
2021-03-23 01:13:49 +0100 <heck-to-the-gnom> (or moreover, I hate light themes, but I have an extension for that, so it's no big deal)
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2021-03-23 03:31:11 +0100 <coldpress> How do you deal with switching from light-theme apps to dark-theme apps? Sudden change is harsh on the eyes, no?
2021-03-23 03:52:18 +0100 <Irishluck83> i don't think so
2021-03-23 04:07:14 +0100 <heck-to-the-gnom> Close your eyes, that's what I do. I either have my brightness so low that it doesn't make a difference either way, or, I take a long blink :). Your eye expects light changes from going beneath an eyelid, and returning whence. That's what I do when I turn lights on after being in a dark room for a while.
2021-03-23 04:07:14 +0100 <heck-to-the-gnom> One could also make something that fades the visuals together, however, that might be impractical or ugly, and potentially confusing and/or annoying.
2021-03-23 04:08:59 +0100 <heck-to-the-gnom> But, given how us humans evolved, I don't think that sudden change is harsh upon our eyes, we literally have a portion of the eye dedicated to detecting such things better (peripheral vision). I could be wrong though, I've done 0 research.
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2021-03-23 08:00:23 +0100IRC-safeguard(~Safeguard@net-93-70-86-123.cust.vodafonedsl.it)
2021-03-23 08:01:04 +0100 <IRC-safeguard> hey guys, I made a xmonad telegram group, if you want to join here is the link: https://t.me/xmonadtelegramunofficial (sorry for the spam, but I kinda want the xmonad community to grow)
2021-03-23 08:02:16 +0100thc202(~thc202@unaffiliated/thc202)
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2021-03-23 08:34:52 +0100 <Solid> that seems vaguely menacing
2021-03-23 08:35:24 +0100 <IRC-safeguard> no no haha, no one's forced to
2021-03-23 08:37:46 +0100 <Solid> aren't there ads now in telegram groups
2021-03-23 08:37:49 +0100 <Solid> I remember reading about this
2021-03-23 08:37:56 +0100 <IRC-safeguard> nope
2021-03-23 08:37:59 +0100 <IRC-safeguard> at least not in mine
2021-03-23 08:39:40 +0100 <Solid> ah I think it's still to-come then
2021-03-23 08:39:42 +0100xaltsc(~xaltsc@unaffiliated/xaltsc)
2021-03-23 08:39:49 +0100 <IRC-safeguard> hope not
2021-03-23 08:40:08 +0100 <IRC-safeguard> and even if that happens, in my group there will be no such thing. I believe in freedom and privacy
2021-03-23 08:40:37 +0100 <Solid> I don't think you can control that
2021-03-23 08:40:54 +0100 <IRC-safeguard> hope I can :/
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2021-03-23 08:41:24 +0100 <Solid> https://www.techworm.net/2020/12/telegram-group-voice-chats-monetization.html
2021-03-23 08:41:27 +0100 <Solid> this is what I found just now
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2021-03-23 08:44:56 +0100 <IRC-safeguard> well
2021-03-23 08:44:59 +0100 <IRC-safeguard> shit
2021-03-23 08:45:12 +0100 <IRC-safeguard> anyway, if anyone's intrested you're free to join
2021-03-23 08:45:26 +0100 <IRC-safeguard> again, sorry for the spam but i'm trying to make the Xmonad community grow
2021-03-23 08:45:56 +0100 <Solid> I at least appreciate the effort :)
2021-03-23 08:46:04 +0100 <IRC-safeguard> thank :)
2021-03-23 08:47:43 +0100 <IRC-safeguard> I do believe that xmonad is the most powerful wm out there, but it comes at the cost of a high haskell knowledge
2021-03-23 08:48:10 +0100 <Solid> I've seen a lot of people use xmonad just fine without any haskell knowledge
2021-03-23 08:48:28 +0100 <Solid> thanks to the 300-ish contrib modules
2021-03-23 08:49:08 +0100 <IRC-safeguard> yeah, but for more complicated things like independent screens you need to know haskell and what you're doing
2021-03-23 08:49:27 +0100 <IRC-safeguard> that is why I'm currently using bspwm, because configuring independent screens on xmonad is kind of a pain
2021-03-23 08:49:36 +0100 <IRC-safeguard> also the trayer padding for xmobar
2021-03-23 08:49:38 +0100 <Solid> ah yes, for the hacky modules you may need to know a bit of haskell
2021-03-23 08:49:59 +0100 <IRC-safeguard> exactly
2021-03-23 08:50:09 +0100 <IRC-safeguard> also the xmobar thing
2021-03-23 08:50:31 +0100 <Solid> I think that's solved by a shell script in an obscure issue
2021-03-23 08:50:44 +0100 <IRC-safeguard> I tried it, but it doesn't work on me..
2021-03-23 08:51:26 +0100 <Solid> weird, I've heard it works well for people
2021-03-23 08:51:40 +0100 <Solid> there's also an open pr right now to add something haskell-based to X.U.Hacks
2021-03-23 08:51:46 +0100 <IRC-safeguard> https://github.com/jaor/xmobar/issues/239#issuecomment-233206552 you're referring to this one right?
2021-03-23 08:51:46 +0100 <Solid> so maybe that'll become an option for the next release
2021-03-23 08:51:52 +0100 <IRC-safeguard> wdym?
2021-03-23 08:51:53 +0100 <Solid> yeah that one
2021-03-23 08:52:20 +0100 <IRC-safeguard> I tried, maybe it's cause i tried that on bspwm,but the tray would not appear
2021-03-23 08:52:31 +0100 <Solid> https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/pull/490
2021-03-23 08:52:39 +0100 <Solid> this is about stacking trayer on top of xmobar and keeping it there
2021-03-23 08:53:06 +0100 <Solid> so that'll probably be available with 0.17
2021-03-23 08:53:15 +0100 <IRC-safeguard> cool!
2021-03-23 08:53:25 +0100 <Solid> we should probably mention that in the new tutorial
2021-03-23 08:53:37 +0100 <IRC-safeguard> then I need to only know how to make independent screens lol
2021-03-23 08:54:20 +0100 <Solid> or just try to get used to the default behaviour :D
2021-03-23 08:54:30 +0100 <IRC-safeguard> I just can't, tried for like 5 months
2021-03-23 08:54:44 +0100 <IRC-safeguard> when I switched to dwm it was like removing a splinter
2021-03-23 08:55:02 +0100 <IRC-safeguard> and when I switched to bspwm it was like ascending lol
2021-03-23 08:55:12 +0100 <Solid> lol
2021-03-23 08:55:22 +0100 <IRC-safeguard> because I keep moving between workspaces, the default behaviour breaks how I work
2021-03-23 08:56:04 +0100 <IRC-safeguard> but, I'm trying to learn how to independent screens so I can switch back to xmonad
2021-03-23 08:56:34 +0100 <Solid> I mean the basic setup should not be that hard
2021-03-23 08:56:44 +0100 <IRC-safeguard> the problem arises when I undock the laptop, I dunno if I can make it recognize that and make xmonad use only the laptop screen
2021-03-23 08:57:05 +0100 <IRC-safeguard> I tried, but couldn't make it work
2021-03-23 08:57:15 +0100 <IRC-safeguard> I have peanut brain
2021-03-23 09:00:47 +0100 <Solid> The undocking part sounds like an X11 thing, not xmonad related
2021-03-23 09:00:50 +0100 <Solid> unless I'm misunderstanding you
2021-03-23 09:01:15 +0100 <IRC-safeguard> let me give you context
2021-03-23 09:03:06 +0100 <IRC-safeguard> I have a docking station with two additional monitors; when I dock it i have a xrandr script that was generated by arandr, which makes the monitor not overlap and at max resolution, and side by side. that make bspwm have in total 30 workspaces. when I undock I run another script so X disabled the external monitors
2021-03-23 09:03:31 +0100 <IRC-safeguard> I basically want to have 27 workspaces with also xmonad when I'm undocked, but I just can't have make it work
2021-03-23 09:03:38 +0100 <IRC-safeguard> expecially the xmobar part
2021-03-23 09:04:08 +0100cfricke(~cfricke@unaffiliated/cfricke)
2021-03-23 09:06:13 +0100 <Solid> the 27 screens thing sounds like you'd just need `workspaces = withScreens 3 (map show [1..9 :: Int])` no?
2021-03-23 09:06:22 +0100 <Solid> I will admit that I've never used IndependentScreens
2021-03-23 09:06:23 +0100 <IRC-safeguard> yeah
2021-03-23 09:06:50 +0100 <IRC-safeguard> i followed these two:
2021-03-23 09:06:52 +0100 <IRC-safeguard> https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/pull/490
2021-03-23 09:07:22 +0100 <IRC-safeguard> https://github.com/ivanbrennan/nixbox/blob/d5b54fe2c0b672273f053c31eaaee17c4b1e65e9/services/xserv…
2021-03-23 09:09:05 +0100 <Solid> first link is probably not what you wanted to send ;)
2021-03-23 09:09:09 +0100 <IRC-safeguard> (my base configs are distrotube's config tweaked for my likings, I'm that lazy and without shame xD)
2021-03-23 09:09:13 +0100 <Solid> `countScreent` counts the number of screens when xmonad starts up
2021-03-23 09:09:25 +0100 <Solid> probably not what you want if you _always_ want 27 workspaces
2021-03-23 09:09:32 +0100 <IRC-safeguard> https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmonad-contrib-0.16/docs/XMonad-Layout-IndependentScreens.html yeah
2021-03-23 09:09:38 +0100 <IRC-safeguard> damn clipman
2021-03-23 09:10:04 +0100 <IRC-safeguard> i don't always want 27 workspaces, just when i have the monitor plugged in
2021-03-23 09:11:01 +0100 <Solid> now I'm confused, you did say "I basically want to have 27 workspaces with also xmonad when I'm undocked"
2021-03-23 09:11:09 +0100 <Solid> undocked = only the laptop screens is active, no?
2021-03-23 09:11:14 +0100 <IRC-safeguard> exactly
2021-03-23 09:11:22 +0100 <IRC-safeguard> sorry if I expressed myself badly
2021-03-23 09:11:33 +0100 <IRC-safeguard> undocked = 9 workspaces, docked: 27
2021-03-23 09:11:36 +0100 <Solid> ah
2021-03-23 09:12:43 +0100 <Solid> mh I guess you'd need to react to randr events somehow
2021-03-23 09:12:56 +0100 <IRC-safeguard> yeah
2021-03-23 09:13:35 +0100 <Solid> this is probably possible with the new X.H.RescreenHook
2021-03-23 09:13:46 +0100 <IRC-safeguard> because I when use 30 workspaces with bspwm i use xrandr
2021-03-23 09:13:49 +0100 <IRC-safeguard> lemme take a look
2021-03-23 09:13:54 +0100 <Solid> (not merged yet)
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2021-03-23 09:18:00 +0100 <IRC-safeguard> oh so it's not on the xmonad contrib page?
2021-03-23 09:18:16 +0100 <Solid> no not yet
2021-03-23 09:18:22 +0100 <IRC-safeguard> bummer
2021-03-23 09:18:35 +0100 <Solid> though it'll probably also land in the next release
2021-03-23 09:18:42 +0100 <IRC-safeguard> cool
2021-03-23 09:18:44 +0100 <Solid> (which we really should get around to doing)
2021-03-23 09:18:50 +0100 <IRC-safeguard> lol
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2021-03-23 09:42:46 +0100 <Liskni_si> Solid: note that my stacking hack does just that - stacking; it doesn't replace the bash script for leaving a horizontal gap
2021-03-23 09:43:55 +0100mc47(~yecinem@89.246.239.190)
2021-03-23 09:44:44 +0100 <Liskni_si> And this IndependentScreens stuff sounds more like a fundamental issue in IndependentScreens: how do you access the 1_* and 2_* workspaces if you only have the laptop screen (0_*)? You don't.
2021-03-23 09:46:07 +0100 <Liskni_si> You'll need some mechanism to dynamically rename workspaces on rescreen to make them available, and no such mechanism is there right now, AFAIK.
2021-03-23 09:47:05 +0100xaltsc(~xaltsc@unaffiliated/xaltsc)
2021-03-23 09:55:15 +0100 <IRC-safeguard> what did I miss?
2021-03-23 09:55:28 +0100 <IRC-safeguard> sorry but hexchat disconnected me
2021-03-23 10:05:29 +0100 <mc47> it's all logged here https://ircbrowse.tomsmeding.com/browse/xmonad?events_page=258
2021-03-23 10:08:38 +0100 <IRC-safeguard> thank you, I don't know how to irc lol
2021-03-23 10:09:51 +0100 <IRC-safeguard> ok so, I don#t understand what Liskni_si said
2021-03-23 10:09:53 +0100 <IRC-safeguard> (sorry)
2021-03-23 10:18:13 +0100 <yakamo> i have a screen related question
2021-03-23 10:18:37 +0100 <yakamo> i am running arch linux(manjaro) and i have installed xmonad
2021-03-23 10:18:58 +0100 <yakamo> when i run for example OpenRA the game starts running but does not appear on the screen
2021-03-23 10:19:31 +0100 <yakamo> any thing i might have missed during installation?
2021-03-23 10:19:45 +0100 <yakamo> normally not an issue i had on debian
2021-03-23 10:24:45 +0100 <mc47> I have no idea what might be the problem, but do you have ewmh support?
2021-03-23 10:24:54 +0100 <mc47> https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmonad-contrib-0.16/docs/XMonad-Hooks-EwmhDesktops.html
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2021-03-23 10:29:12 +0100 <Liskni_si> IRC-safeguard: most/all of it was meant for Solid, who might or might not translate it into something understandable; I'm on a phone, can't do better, sorry.
2021-03-23 10:29:32 +0100 <IRC-safeguard> oh my bad, sorry
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2021-03-23 10:47:42 +0100 <yakamo> mc47: thanks i will check in a while and see if that helps
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2021-03-23 11:27:27 +0100 <Solid> Liskni_si: I was thinking this was possible with #460 because we can run an arbitrary X action
2021-03-23 11:27:32 +0100 <Solid> it'll probably be work though yes
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2021-03-23 14:51:10 +0100 <heck-to-the-gnom> Does anyone know how I can chain gridselects? I mean, a gridselect for gridselects
2021-03-23 14:54:00 +0100heck-to-the-gnom < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/KbxNjiUefJytmKucrtGSvpoq/message.txt >
2021-03-23 14:54:48 +0100 <heck-to-the-gnom> the first line is the call, out of context, but that's all that's necessary
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2021-03-23 16:31:03 +0100 <Solid> LayoutCombinator's (|||) would fit into the core quite nicely if it didn't stupidly export the data constructors for JumpTolayout :/
2021-03-23 16:31:53 +0100 <Solid> Now we have to do the same in core, but we use `NextLayoutNoWrap` and `Wrap` in a different way there
2021-03-23 16:32:04 +0100 <Solid> so that'll most likely break if people did anything with that
2021-03-23 16:35:05 +0100 <Solid> I think that's acceptable-ish, because that sounds like reasonably advanced stuff
2021-03-23 16:35:15 +0100 <Solid> people who just use `JumpToLayout` will (should) be fine
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2021-03-23 16:51:36 +0100Liskni_siis still a bit confused about what to do with xmonad core, but this sounds fairly non-controversial at this point
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2021-03-23 17:00:00 +0100 <Solid> It's a bit of a shame that we now also have to expose the JumpToLayout internals in the core (as opposed to something like jumpToLayout = JumpToLayout)
2021-03-23 17:00:14 +0100 <Solid> but I'd say it's an overall gain
2021-03-23 17:02:14 +0100 <Liskni_si> I'd feel a lot better about all this if we didn't have so much tech debt in versioning and depreciation process. ;-)
2021-03-23 17:02:22 +0100geekosaur(82650c7a@130.101.12.122)
2021-03-23 17:03:04 +0100 <Solid> The deprecation process here is actually relatively straightforward because we can just re-export things in X.L.LayoutCombinators
2021-03-23 17:03:19 +0100 <Solid> The only thing that'll break is usage of `NextLayoutNoWrap` and `Wrap`
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2021-03-23 17:04:22 +0100 <Liskni_si> I mean in general.
2021-03-23 17:05:05 +0100 <Solid> well yes
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2021-03-23 22:07:35 +0100 <mc47> Does anyone know if there's a youtube video for byorgey_'s talk? (https://byorgey.wordpress.com/2008/03/27/fringedc-talk/)
2021-03-23 22:07:59 +0100 <mc47> Or if you have any suggestions for videos to add to this page
2021-03-23 22:08:39 +0100mc47[m]uploaded an image: (1146KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/pDPQQdJbIGMHalGrjgKEjari/image.png >
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