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2021-02-10 00:48:25 +0100 <brttmsn> hello everyone
2021-02-10 01:05:43 +0100brttmsnAlexNevesky
2021-02-10 01:07:48 +0100 <AlexNevesky> anyone know how to get shell prompt working? i got the extension being imported but for whatever reason when i push my keybind for it, nothing happens?
2021-02-10 01:08:01 +0100 <AlexNevesky> Do i need to configure it in my xmonad.hs?
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2021-02-10 08:51:25 +0100 <Solid> god damn I was looking up this distrotube guy just now and man has he done a lot of videos on xmonad
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2021-02-10 09:26:35 +0100 <Solid> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pY9HPm1N16Y this one in particular is a pretty good show-case of some cool functionality
2021-02-10 09:26:50 +0100 <Solid> might be worth putting onto the new-and-improved™ homepage even
2021-02-10 09:27:07 +0100Solidhas procrastinated enough now, back to work!
2021-02-10 10:21:17 +0100mc47(~yecinem@89.246.239.190)
2021-02-10 10:24:04 +0100ADG1089__(~aditya@122.163.210.206)
2021-02-10 10:37:47 +0100 <mc47> Solid, his videos on xmonad are pretty cool! They kinda motivated me at first to give xmonad a try
2021-02-10 10:41:09 +0100 <dminuoso> It is clear to me, that mc47 must be German.
2021-02-10 10:42:22 +0100 <Solid> hah
2021-02-10 10:42:48 +0100 <mc47> dminuoso, not quite, just living there since 3 years
2021-02-10 10:43:11 +0100 <Solid> german-speaking they meant
2021-02-10 10:43:33 +0100 <mc47> may I ask how ? just curious haha
2021-02-10 10:43:37 +0100 <Solid> though with that comma before the "that" I would speculate on dminuoso also being German :)
2021-02-10 10:43:59 +0100 <mc47> hahahah
2021-02-10 10:44:38 +0100 <mc47> I'm actually Tunisian, I speak a lot of German since three years so it influenced my english :)
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2021-02-10 10:57:09 +0100 <dminuoso> Solid: Touche.
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2021-02-10 12:23:19 +0100 <mc47> I finally found the logs that the stdout/stderr of xmonad get piped to
2021-02-10 12:23:31 +0100 <mc47> and I was surprised with """xxxmommbooabbraa:rr e::o fee ooafft a atat na anen a erealaryr llsyyt assgtteaa"gg
2021-02-10 12:23:32 +0100 <mc47> ee""
2021-02-10 12:37:05 +0100 <Solid> hahahaha
2021-02-10 12:45:28 +0100 <Liskni_si> that facepalm moment one realizes that xmobar/xmonad are advertised as lightweight yet under the hood it's all Strings and one-byte reads/writes
2021-02-10 12:46:57 +0100 <Solid> I mean they're pretty light-weight compared to GNOME3 ;)
2021-02-10 12:48:05 +0100 <Liskni_si> true, one-byte writes end up being better than using unsafe javascript bindings to glib that leak memory and handles like crazy
2021-02-10 12:48:25 +0100 <dminuoso> Liskni_si: It's beyond me, how almost irrelevant breaking changes were introduced like Foldable/Traversable or AMP, but everything clings onto String like crazy
2021-02-10 12:48:43 +0100 <dminuoso> Like, my first thing to get rid off base, is String.
2021-02-10 12:49:29 +0100 <dminuoso> People can argue all day long how "elegant" algorithms on lists are, but these types of algorithms are rarely applied to textual data. And if they are, chances are you have non-trivial amounts of data too..
2021-02-10 12:49:47 +0100 <Solid> String is bad, but the strings that xmonad/xmobar handle are so tiny that I think using text is more of a "this is morally correct" issue than anything else
2021-02-10 12:50:03 +0100 <dminuoso> Well, it causes friction whenever you interface with it.
2021-02-10 12:50:44 +0100 <Liskni_si> Solid: wouldn't be so sure about that
2021-02-10 12:50:49 +0100 <Solid> unless you also work with strings :>
2021-02-10 12:50:55 +0100 <dminuoso> Well sure.
2021-02-10 12:51:24 +0100 <dminuoso> The reality is, we all rely on GHC optimizations to make string performance acceptable in many cases.
2021-02-10 12:51:28 +0100 <Solid> and I think changing all of base String -> Text would certainly be a much bigger break than AFP and MFP etc.
2021-02-10 12:51:31 +0100 <dminuoso> Which is rather poor
2021-02-10 12:51:37 +0100 <Liskni_si> Solid: you remember our discussion about O(n²) nub? the O(log n) nub uses pointer and more memory, that makes it slow
2021-02-10 12:51:45 +0100 <Liskni_si> *pointers
2021-02-10 12:52:02 +0100 <Liskni_si> String is all pointers and thunks and _lots_ of garbage collection afterwards
2021-02-10 12:52:47 +0100 <dminuoso> The pointer indirection causes extremely poor locality of reference, as well as extreme amounts of cache evictions
2021-02-10 12:53:13 +0100 <dminuoso> So merely dealing with String has global performance impacts on other things
2021-02-10 12:54:09 +0100 <dminuoso> We tend to not notice how bad String performance is, because it's usually not the performance bottleneck. But things like cache evictions are very hard to measure
2021-02-10 12:54:42 +0100 <dminuoso> Arguably, it'd be nice if we could seamlessly exchange string data through ffi - and Text doesnt help us here either.
2021-02-10 12:55:29 +0100 <dminuoso> (because text uses unpinned memory, you cant expose it to ffi..)
2021-02-10 13:01:48 +0100 <Liskni_si> Solid: just say the youtube video you linked, it really is good!
2021-02-10 13:02:00 +0100 <Liskni_si> *saw
2021-02-10 13:36:27 +0100 <Solid> right?
2021-02-10 13:37:05 +0100 <Solid> I do wish he didn't look up "dank" in the urban dictionary but I guess that's a small nit :)
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2021-02-10 14:23:16 +0100 <Solid> kids are bored again
2021-02-10 14:23:57 +0100 <geekosaur> yeh
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2021-02-10 14:36:00 +0100geekosaurwinces at lack of quoting in shell scripts
2021-02-10 14:39:17 +0100 <geekosaur> hm, whoops, forgot "git fetch --all"
2021-02-10 14:39:24 +0100 <geekosaur> biab
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2021-02-10 14:41:58 +0100geekosaur(82650c7a@130.101.12.122)
2021-02-10 14:42:49 +0100 <geekosaur> ok, think I'm ready to start working on the cabal stuff. I see I have to remove instructions for sandboxes because they're gone as of cabal 3.4
2021-02-10 14:47:01 +0100 <wz1000> dminuoso: text using unpinned memory is a good thing. Have you seen the amount of fragmentation in non-trivial programs that use ByteString?
2021-02-10 14:47:45 +0100 <geekosaur> but that means copying when working with FFI, which happens a lot with xmonad
2021-02-10 14:48:40 +0100 <geekosaur> then again we have to encode to UTF8 anyway (Text representation internally is that of ICU, which is 16 bit)
2021-02-10 14:51:45 +0100 <dminuoso> wz1000: Well, perhaps there could be a way to control whether `text-next-generation` gives you pinned or unpinned buffers, depending on whether you have to do FFI?
2021-02-10 14:52:27 +0100 <dminuoso> But yeah, like geekosaur points out, the internal encoding of text is another issue in the way.
2021-02-10 14:52:31 +0100 <geekosaur> again, only if someone rewrites text to be utf8 underneath, otherwise there has to be a copy/conversion step anyway
2021-02-10 14:52:41 +0100 <dminuoso> As long as text is unpinned, the internal encoding doesnt matter.
2021-02-10 14:52:54 +0100 <dminuoso> Or not as much, anyway
2021-02-10 14:53:06 +0100 <dminuoso> Right, geekosaur.
2021-02-10 15:01:36 +0100 <Liskni_si> wz1000: does the fragmentation happen with short-lived bytestrings as well or just long-lived ones?
2021-02-10 15:02:10 +0100 <wz1000> long lived ones
2021-02-10 15:02:37 +0100 <wz1000> if a block has no live bytestrings in it, there is no fragmentation
2021-02-10 15:03:02 +0100geekosaur(82650c7a@130.101.12.122) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2021-02-10 15:03:24 +0100 <dminuoso> Liskni_si: If its short lived, it doesn't really matter anyway, does it?
2021-02-10 15:04:53 +0100 <Liskni_si> short lived String is still a waste of CPU cycles, caches, and some more CPU cycles in GC
2021-02-10 15:05:10 +0100 <Liskni_si> so the choice of data structure still matters
2021-02-10 15:05:35 +0100 <Liskni_si> (but I'm no expert on bytestring vs text, hence the question)
2021-02-10 15:06:29 +0100 <dminuoso> In GHC pinned and unpinned blocks reside in the same megablocks, dont they?
2021-02-10 15:07:31 +0100 <dminuoso> If text used pinned buffers, and resided in special megablocks, it wouldn't really cause fragmentation across the board.
2021-02-10 15:07:41 +0100 <dminuoso> or at least not as much
2021-02-10 15:10:56 +0100geekosaur(82650c7a@130.101.12.122)
2021-02-10 15:12:15 +0100Liskni_sihas no idea :-(
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2021-02-10 15:51:52 +0100 <geekosaur> o.O
2021-02-10 15:52:29 +0100geekosaurused external bt keyboards for years with xmonad, and can't think of any reason they wouldn't work unless they also messed with xinput2
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2021-02-10 16:06:05 +0100 <dminuoso> Trying to find a joke about how a flaky bluetooth keyboard could cause IRC disconnects...
2021-02-10 16:06:11 +0100 <dminuoso> Anyone?
2021-02-10 16:07:02 +0100 <Liskni_si> Today a screen/irssi vulnerability joke would be more appropriate.
2021-02-10 16:07:21 +0100 <dminuoso> How's that?
2021-02-10 16:07:25 +0100 <dminuoso> Didn't get the memo
2021-02-10 16:07:43 +0100 <Liskni_si> dminuoso: https://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2021/02/09/7
2021-02-10 16:09:03 +0100 <dminuoso> It's beyond me how people still write stuff in C...
2021-02-10 16:09:28 +0100 <dminuoso> And when they do, asan is off.
2021-02-10 16:12:10 +0100 <Liskni_si> It's more about rewriting old stuff that works not being much fun.
2021-02-10 16:13:02 +0100 <Liskni_si> Like why haven't we rewritten everything to not use String and to support Wayland and have a compositor and whatnot. Because what we have works so our time is best spent elsewhere. :-/
2021-02-10 16:19:57 +0100 <Liskni_si> mc47: you haven't updated us on your xmonad-related school course in a while, btw
2021-02-10 16:20:26 +0100 <Liskni_si> mc47: did you have to write some sort of final report or just the one we saw already?
2021-02-10 16:21:09 +0100 <mc47> Liskni_si, I'm still gonna write a final report on the contributions and the interaction with the community, and do a presentation in mid march, after I'm done with my exams
2021-02-10 16:21:48 +0100 <Liskni_si> I see
2021-02-10 16:22:26 +0100 <Liskni_si> by that time we'll surely have merged the dynamic bars PR as well, good :-)
2021-02-10 16:22:40 +0100 <mc47> haha :D
2021-02-10 16:22:53 +0100 <Solid> :D
2021-02-10 16:23:00 +0100 <mc47> The conversation matters more than the actual PR being merged or not
2021-02-10 16:23:26 +0100 <dminuoso> Liskni_si: Oh I can do away without a compositor.
2021-02-10 16:24:02 +0100 <dminuoso> I know, 30 years from now Ill be one of those old, gray, bearded folks saying how GNU Emacs is the only true editor, defending X11, and still writing Haskell.
2021-02-10 16:24:19 +0100 <dminuoso> Impossible to convince otherwise.
2021-02-10 16:24:21 +0100Solidtruly sees himself in that
2021-02-10 16:24:23 +0100 <Solid> scary
2021-02-10 16:24:29 +0100 <Liskni_si> I wish I could be that guys
2021-02-10 16:24:46 +0100 <mc47> That guy is awwesome
2021-02-10 16:24:47 +0100 <dminuoso> What's wrong? Wrong gender for the beard? Dont have hair?
2021-02-10 16:24:51 +0100 <Liskni_si> instead I have this massive FOMO about not keeping up with everything
2021-02-10 16:24:57 +0100 <dminuoso> Oh.
2021-02-10 16:25:06 +0100 <Liskni_si> without the FOMO, I already am that guy though
2021-02-10 16:25:20 +0100 <Liskni_si> except being gray, that is
2021-02-10 16:25:43 +0100 <Liskni_si> I have so little hair there's plenty of pigment to keep it dark
2021-02-10 16:25:58 +0100 <dminuoso> Well, its sort of like these sysadmins these days, who still swear by their postfix, writing tcl at day, compiling their kernel at night..
2021-02-10 16:26:10 +0100 <dminuoso> If you know what kind of personality I mean
2021-02-10 16:26:29 +0100 <dminuoso> The folks you see in #perl !
2021-02-10 16:26:32 +0100 <dminuoso> :P
2021-02-10 16:26:33 +0100 <Liskni_si> oh don't even think about telling me there's something newer and better than postfix
2021-02-10 16:28:46 +0100 <Liskni_si> well anyway, if you ever become this guy, the young will make fun of you for (the equivalent of) still writing in C and not doing any fuzzing or asan
2021-02-10 16:29:08 +0100 <Liskni_si> and I don't want to be _that_ guys, hence the FOMO :-/
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2021-02-10 17:47:44 +0100 <Liskni_si> mc47: btw I don't think the conversation matters more; shipping code that works and solves real problems for real people matters a great deal, the conversation is just means to that end
2021-02-10 17:48:42 +0100 <Liskni_si> (it does matter from the perspective of individual learning, I know; there's a balance out there somewhere)
2021-02-10 17:49:30 +0100 <mc47> Yes, what you said is true, I was referring to the lab when I said that though ;)
2021-02-10 17:49:47 +0100 <Liskni_si> oh, I see
2021-02-10 17:50:04 +0100 <mc47> Like the point of the lab is to do open source and get over the mental block of "open source is scary, I can never contribute"
2021-02-10 17:50:34 +0100 <mc47> so it was out of the question that somebody spends the whole semester just coding and then submit a PR at the end and that's it
2021-02-10 17:57:16 +0100 <mc47> but in the general sense, I agree with what you said
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2021-02-10 18:10:36 +0100geekosaur(82650c7a@130.101.12.122)
2021-02-10 18:44:34 +0100geekosaurwonders what he's just let himself in for
2021-02-10 18:45:07 +0100 <geekosaur> "optimization: 2" in cabal.project.local might mean rebuilding the known world with optimization, which might take a while
2021-02-10 18:45:48 +0100 <geekosaur> oh, good, just xmonad and xmonad-config, not e.g. all of dbus's deps (lens!)
2021-02-10 18:46:28 +0100 <geekosaur> testing my stuff as I go, this should end up being a more robust config than the existing one
2021-02-10 18:49:23 +0100 <geekosaur> hm. apparently accepted "executable-stripping" config but ignored it, sigh
2021-02-10 18:54:39 +0100 <geekosaur> and it looks like that's a known bug because I use cabal build instead of cabal install. pfeh
2021-02-10 19:26:55 +0100 <Liskni_si> mc47: I thought I'd check out your refactor-dynamic-log branch and do some finishing touches on it to save some time on the github PR back-and-forth, and I got an idea:
2021-02-10 19:27:02 +0100geekosaur(82650c7a@130.101.12.122) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2021-02-10 19:27:06 +0100 <Liskni_si> the DynamicLog module is just too huge now
2021-02-10 19:27:49 +0100 <Liskni_si> how about we put all the new stuff into XMonad.Hook.StatusBar and keep only the bare minimum to keep compatibility with the last release in DynamicLog
2021-02-10 19:28:52 +0100 <Liskni_si> we'd need to use .hs-boot to be able to use X.H.StatusBar in DynamicLog though, but I think it's probably worth it, as we'd then proceed to deprecate the compat wrappers in DynamicLog
2021-02-10 19:29:43 +0100 <Liskni_si> and now the questions are: is this a good idea? shall I do it or would you like to keep the PR open a bit more? :-)
2021-02-10 19:30:54 +0100 <Liskni_si> (just look at the changelog since last release; the DynamicLog entry looks like "we added X; we added Y to abstract away some X; we added Z cause Y still wasn't good enough"
2021-02-10 19:31:20 +0100 <Liskni_si> so why don't we clean it up a bit :-))
2021-02-10 19:33:42 +0100 <mc47> I think it's a good idea, and no it's absolutely fine if it stays open
2021-02-10 19:33:46 +0100 <mc47> what's hs-boot btw?
2021-02-10 19:34:19 +0100 <Liskni_si> hs-boot is what you need to have if you want a cycle in imports
2021-02-10 19:34:31 +0100 <Liskni_si> X.H.StatusBar needs to import PP from DynamicLog
2021-02-10 19:34:51 +0100 <Liskni_si> X.H.DynamicLog needs to import makeStatusBar or statusBar or something from X.H.StatusBar
2021-02-10 19:35:33 +0100 <Liskni_si> so we'll need to create a .hs-boot file that lists the types for one of those
2021-02-10 19:36:09 +0100 <Liskni_si> probably X/H/StatusBar.hs-boot with a type declaration for the one function that is needed to keep the dzen/xmobar/statusBar wrappers in DynamicLog
2021-02-10 19:36:26 +0100 <mc47> Oh I see
2021-02-10 19:36:52 +0100 <mc47> I definitely think a cleanup is a good idea, mainly because a lot of the changes aren't in the release
2021-02-10 19:37:44 +0100 <Liskni_si> ok, awesome
2021-02-10 19:37:58 +0100 <mc47> The new PR could also go in there :D
2021-02-10 19:38:12 +0100 <Liskni_si> exactly, and that will solve the naming problem
2021-02-10 19:39:42 +0100geekosaur(82650c7a@130.101.12.122)
2021-02-10 19:40:17 +0100 <mc47> if you have something on your todo list go ahead, and I'll take care of it if you want
2021-02-10 19:42:53 +0100 <Liskni_si> I could work on the ewmh stuff, yeah
2021-02-10 19:43:58 +0100 <mc47> alright I'll do it then, a chance to learn about the hs-boot
2021-02-10 19:45:27 +0100 <Liskni_si> at least I finally pushed myself to add your fork as a remote here, so I'll be able to range-diff the force pushes and be quicker to react to reviews
2021-02-10 19:45:32 +0100 <Liskni_si> should've done that earlier
2021-02-10 19:46:18 +0100 <Liskni_si> I'd really like to merge it soon, it's been through many iterations
2021-02-10 19:47:11 +0100 <Liskni_si> (actually if anyone thinks it's worth it, we can merge it as it and refactor in a new PR, as we'll be breaking several months worth of additions anyway)
2021-02-10 19:48:35 +0100 <mc47> I kinda tend to a new PR, since it might be less intimidating for people to look and see what changed exactly
2021-02-10 19:49:06 +0100 <mc47> It makes more sense for someone who didn't see the discussion on the IRC at least
2021-02-10 19:51:55 +0100 <Solid> the dynamiclog changes entry reads pretty funny I have to say
2021-02-10 19:54:26 +0100tremon(~aschuring@217-63-61-89.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl)
2021-02-10 19:55:01 +0100 <Liskni_si> ok I'll make a fixup with the small tweaks I wanted to make and let's merge it then
2021-02-10 19:55:42 +0100 <mc47> awesome
2021-02-10 19:57:31 +0100 <mc47> So if I understood correctly, the statusBar* except for statusBar, xmobar and dzen will be nuked and replaced with the new module and interface, right?
2021-02-10 19:57:49 +0100 <Liskni_si> git show v0.16:XMonad/Hooks/DynamicLog.hs
2021-02-10 19:57:58 +0100 <Liskni_si> this is your reference what should be kept :-)
2021-02-10 20:04:27 +0100 <geekosaur> may I suggest moving PP to its own module and importing from both, rather than creating the nightmare of a .hs-boot file?
2021-02-10 20:05:26 +0100 <Liskni_si> and reexporting the entire module from DynamicLog then
2021-02-10 20:05:33 +0100 <Liskni_si> yeah, that seems even better
2021-02-10 20:06:41 +0100 <Liskni_si> which reminds me that I stumbled upon AusCyberman introducing themselves on one of those modern communication tools and they're a high schooler
2021-02-10 20:07:15 +0100 <Liskni_si> which explains the gap between us :-)
2021-02-10 20:08:02 +0100 <Liskni_si> and now that we'll have DynamicLog split and cleaned up, it will make all the more sense to put the dynamic icons into its own module as well
2021-02-10 20:09:05 +0100 <Solid> doesn't mean it shouldn't comply to the same standards as the other new contrib modules ;)
2021-02-10 20:09:10 +0100 <Solid> but yes, that does explain a lot
2021-02-10 20:09:31 +0100geekosaurkinda figured from the username
2021-02-10 20:09:52 +0100 <Liskni_si> aren't github usernames for life? :-)
2021-02-10 20:13:01 +0100 <mc47> Awesome
2021-02-10 20:13:24 +0100 <mc47> Refactoring is kinda therapeutic for me, and it'll be a good break from learning for the exams
2021-02-10 20:14:01 +0100 <mc47> (stupid electives, I'm spending all my day on economics instead of focusing on a very awesome semantics' course)
2021-02-10 20:14:15 +0100 <Liskni_si> I feel more like https://i.gifer.com/39Op.mp4
2021-02-10 20:14:29 +0100 <Liskni_si> (now I'm fighting with haddock, for example)
2021-02-10 20:14:48 +0100 <mc47> that gif hahahaha
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2021-02-10 20:31:48 +0100geekosaur(82650c7a@130.101.12.122)
2021-02-10 20:38:07 +0100 <geekosaur> hm. does the new XDG stuff support $XDG_CONFIG_HOME?
2021-02-10 20:38:55 +0100 <Solid> yes
2021-02-10 20:39:01 +0100 <geekosaur> (I have a build script that guesses at the xmonad config dir with fallbacks if no directory is specified)
2021-02-10 20:39:09 +0100 <geekosaur> ok, I'll add that in too
2021-02-10 20:39:48 +0100 <geekosaur>     SRC_DIR="${XMONAD_CONFIG_DIR:-${XDG_CONFIG_DIR:-${XDG_CONFIG_HOME:-$HOME}/.config/xmonad}}"
2021-02-10 20:40:10 +0100 <geekosaur> amazing what you can do in one line of shell that took so much work in haskell >.>
2021-02-10 20:40:20 +0100 <Solid> :D
2021-02-10 20:40:31 +0100 <Solid> I don't think we're looking for XDG_CONFIG_DIR though
2021-02-10 20:40:35 +0100 <Solid> unless that's something that you do
2021-02-10 20:40:51 +0100 <geekosaur> no, that's wired in as one of the Xdg functions
2021-02-10 20:41:14 +0100 <geekosaur> which come to think of it is probably what handles $XDG_CONFIG_HOME too
2021-02-10 20:41:55 +0100 <geekosaur> and all of that is defaulting if a directory isn't specified. I'm not sure if I should copy the existing build script's directory, which looks like someone's personal config
2021-02-10 20:42:06 +0100 <Solid> we're using System.Directory.XdgConfig, but according to that doc it only looks at $XDG_CONFIG_HOME
2021-02-10 20:42:44 +0100 <geekosaur> $XDG_CONFIG_HOME is the directory under which .config, .local, .cache etc. are found
2021-02-10 20:42:50 +0100 <geekosaur> and defaults to $HOME
2021-02-10 20:43:10 +0100 <geekosaur> there's a parameter which specifies which of the directories you want from that set
2021-02-10 20:43:28 +0100 <Solid> "It uses the XDG_CONFIG_HOME environment variable. On non-Windows systems, the default is ~/.config."
2021-02-10 20:43:34 +0100 <Solid> this is form the System.Directory docs
2021-02-10 20:43:38 +0100 <Solid> is that wrong?
2021-02-10 20:46:06 +0100 <geekosaur> https://downloads.haskell.org/ghc/latest/docs/html/libraries/directory-1.3.6.1/System-Directory.ht…
2021-02-10 20:46:14 +0100 <geekosaur> is what I thought we were using
2021-02-10 20:46:47 +0100 <Solid> yeah we're using that
2021-02-10 20:47:02 +0100 <Solid> but if you look at `XdgDirectory' you'll see what I posted
2021-02-10 20:48:08 +0100 <geekosaur> I think that doc is wrong and what I described (and used in the line I pasted earlier) is right
2021-02-10 20:48:47 +0100 <geekosaur> but I can double check the spec
2021-02-10 20:49:45 +0100 <geekosaur> sigh, looks like I'm wrong. thought in particular they had a way to relocate all the dotfiles in one go for e.g. network shared home dirs
2021-02-10 20:51:51 +0100 <geekosaur> ok, fixed locally but not in repo yet much less pushed :)
2021-02-10 20:52:06 +0100 <geekosaur> that's a bit of a pain since I have to switch networks to use ssh
2021-02-10 20:56:34 +0100 <geekosaur> anyway the new script can be used without editing if you put everything in xmonad's config dir
2021-02-10 20:56:52 +0100 <geekosaur> or you can specify as with the old script
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2021-02-10 21:20:11 +0100 <geekosaur> now I have to figure out how to do the same thing with stack, ideally including using the correct way to find the new executable instead of rooting around in its innards
2021-02-10 21:20:48 +0100 <geekosaur> which I think is some form of "stack path", or maybe something similar to the way I use "cabal install" to get a properly exported version
2021-02-10 21:21:20 +0100 <Liskni_si> not sure how clean it is but I just use stack exec -- ghc … which runs ghc with all the necessary stuff in its pkg path or whatever
2021-02-10 21:21:43 +0100 <geekosaur> oh, hm, exec name hack won't work if they use package.yaml. altough these days that's deprecated
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2021-02-10 21:21:58 +0100 <geekosaur> or at least non-recommended
2021-02-10 21:22:20 +0100 <Liskni_si> well yeah it's not for anyone who has xmonad.hs in an actual cabal/hpack package
2021-02-10 21:22:37 +0100 <Liskni_si> I just have a plain xmonad.hs that I want built against stack-built xmonad
2021-02-10 21:22:48 +0100 <Liskni_si> and for that stack exec ghc works well
2021-02-10 21:22:51 +0100 <geekosaur> the current build-with-stack.sh deals with these things
2021-02-10 21:23:05 +0100 <geekosaur> mostly by not dealing :)
2021-02-10 21:23:29 +0100 <geekosaur> (for example, forcing the user to specify the executable name. mine extracts it from the cabal file)
2021-02-10 22:02:53 +0100 <Liskni_si> mc47: I pushed a fixup into your branch (I still have no idea how github decides whether to allow it or not)
2021-02-10 22:04:45 +0100 <mc47> Yes I just got notified, LGTM!
2021-02-10 22:05:09 +0100 <Liskni_si> okay, I'll rebase autosquash, push again, merge
2021-02-10 22:06:47 +0100 <mc47> awesome :) I'll make another PR with what we discussed tomorrow (maybe tonight if I'm done with learning)
2021-02-10 22:16:30 +0100 <Liskni_si> https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/pull/443#issuecomment-777041434
2021-02-10 22:16:41 +0100 <Liskni_si> summarized like this it looks like a lot of work :-)
2021-02-10 22:25:26 +0100 <mc47> :D
2021-02-10 22:36:08 +0100 <geekosaur> Liskni_si, there's a checkbox on the PR to allow project maintainers access to it
2021-02-10 22:37:02 +0100 <Liskni_si> oh!
2021-02-10 22:37:32 +0100 <Liskni_si> I feel you already told me a while ago, so I will forgot in a month again :-(
2021-02-10 22:37:54 +0100 <geekosaur> I wasn't the one who told you, I think
2021-02-10 22:39:05 +0100 <Liskni_si> :-)
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