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2021-01-30 07:14:13 +0100 <sundbry> XMonad is awesome
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2021-01-30 08:04:38 +0100 <Solid> :)
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2021-01-30 14:07:45 +0100 <Liskni_si> Solid: if Ivan doesn't reply within some time, maybe we could ping him on some taffybar IRC channel or something, it's possible he silenced github notifications or something
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2021-01-30 14:30:31 +0100 <Solid> Liskni_si: I'm not sure how intrusive that would be; but if he actually doesn't reply in *timeframe* it might be worth a shot
2021-01-30 14:34:08 +0100 <Liskni_si> oh, intrusivity, that sounds like the usual pains of dealing with people :-(
2021-01-30 14:34:52 +0100 <Liskni_si> if someone messaged me about one of my open source projects through linkedin, I'd probably be quite excited, yet there are many who would consider that almost equal to stalking
2021-01-30 14:39:56 +0100geekosaur(ac3a5481@172.58.84.129)
2021-01-30 14:48:34 +0100 <Solid> hah, yeah people react quite differently to that
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2021-01-30 14:57:26 +0100geekosaurwouldn't handle that well, for one
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2021-01-30 15:10:37 +0100 <Liskni_si> good news btw, I pinged dons thru twitter and got added as a moderator on /r/xmonad
2021-01-30 15:10:45 +0100 <Liskni_si> we have an active mod on reddit now \o/
2021-01-30 15:10:56 +0100 <geekosaur> yay
2021-01-30 15:11:07 +0100 <Liskni_si> I'll never have time for a day job ever again :-D
2021-01-30 15:11:20 +0100 <Solid> =)
2021-01-30 15:11:40 +0100 <Solid> that's good to hear, even though I didn't even know we had a reddit :)
2021-01-30 15:12:10 +0100gzj(~gzj@unaffiliated/gzj) (Remote host closed the connection)
2021-01-30 15:12:19 +0100 <Liskni_si> I suspect there are other comm channels even I don't know about
2021-01-30 15:12:30 +0100gzj(~gzj@unaffiliated/gzj)
2021-01-30 15:12:31 +0100 <Liskni_si> we also have a twitter but I have no idea who's behind that
2021-01-30 15:13:05 +0100 <Liskni_si> this is one of the links that got automodded as spam: https://betweentwocommits.com/blog/xmonad-layouts-guide
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2021-01-30 15:13:37 +0100 <Liskni_si> it'd be cool if such people contributed to the official docs
2021-01-30 15:14:36 +0100 <Solid> oh wow, that's really cool
2021-01-30 15:14:59 +0100 <Liskni_si> unfortunately their reddit account is deleted now
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2021-01-30 15:15:28 +0100 <Solid> :/
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2021-01-30 15:16:59 +0100 <psibi[m]> That documentation looks really cool. Thanks Liskni_si for sharing it!
2021-01-30 15:17:12 +0100 <psibi[m]> It would be nice to have that in the main website.
2021-01-30 15:17:14 +0100ericsagn1(~ericsagne@2405:6580:0:5100:5c5c:dbc1:3a03:1443)
2021-01-30 15:17:14 +0100 <Solid> Their about page has some links to their personal websites/twitter
2021-01-30 15:17:23 +0100 <Solid> may be worth reaching out that way
2021-01-30 15:21:14 +0100 <Solid> huh that reddit is cetrainly an interesting place
2021-01-30 15:21:19 +0100 <Solid> and more active than I'd have thought
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2021-01-30 15:24:03 +0100 <Liskni_si> the signal to noise ratio is obviously much worse than github issues and even this irc channel, but there's the voting system that maybe helps if one doesn't consume it through rss (which I do, so I skim through everything)
2021-01-30 15:24:27 +0100 <Liskni_si> the upside is that if a post gets ignored, nothing bad happens, whereas github issues pile up
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2021-01-30 15:26:18 +0100 <Solid> mh I guess rubscribing via rss sounds doable
2021-01-30 15:26:32 +0100 <Solid> s/rub/sub/
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2021-01-30 15:31:09 +0100 <Solid> I have a question about https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-extras/pull/30 I'm not that good with CPP and cabal magic; but wouldn't using something like MIN_VERSION or CURRENT_PACKAGE_VERSION require us to make a new release first?
2021-01-30 15:32:02 +0100 <geekosaur> you'd have to release xmonad-contrib before xmonad-extras, yes, but this won't even matter for most people until said release
2021-01-30 15:32:17 +0100 <Liskni_si> we could bump the release in git before the release
2021-01-30 15:32:19 +0100 <geekosaur> and CI will work if it's using master
2021-01-30 15:32:47 +0100 <Solid> okay I see, just checking
2021-01-30 15:32:49 +0100 <geekosaur> assuing git has the bumped release which it probably should, arguably git version should be bumped right after a release exactly for this reason
2021-01-30 15:32:55 +0100 <Liskni_si> in many ecosystems other than Haskell it's usual practice to bump the release immediately *after* a release
2021-01-30 15:33:35 +0100 <Liskni_si> so that after 0.16 it's immediately bumped to 0.17a1 or 0.17~pre or something, and then the release drops the alpha suffix
2021-01-30 15:33:57 +0100 <Liskni_si> that requires the versioning scheme to support suffixes that sort before
2021-01-30 15:34:07 +0100 <Liskni_si> no idea if haskell versioning can do that
2021-01-30 15:34:37 +0100 <geekosaur> this is why e.g. ghc skips versions
2021-01-30 15:36:11 +0100 <geekosaur> not sure it's worth doing the whole ghc versioning thing, we dont change anywhere near as often as ghc master does
2021-01-30 15:36:21 +0100 <Liskni_si> oh
2021-01-30 15:36:59 +0100 <Liskni_si> yeah we could probably just bump the version early and tell distributors that xmonad from git is meant to be packaged in a way that ensures the final release sorts correctly
2021-01-30 15:37:25 +0100 <Liskni_si> (not that distro maintainers are particularly responsive, though)
2021-01-30 15:40:31 +0100Solidis the de-facto maintainer on void linux, so at least he will listen :>
2021-01-30 15:42:05 +0100 <Liskni_si> oh, didn't know that :-)
2021-01-30 15:42:54 +0100 <Solid> it's mostly a function of no one else wanting to touch the haskell stuff at all :D
2021-01-30 15:43:17 +0100 <Liskni_si> that makes sense :-/
2021-01-30 15:43:50 +0100 <Liskni_si> I've sort of given up on haskell packaging in Debian as well and only use the ghc and haskell-stack packages
2021-01-30 15:44:11 +0100 <Liskni_si> and back when I had a Haskell day-job, I'd get even stack from github
2021-01-30 15:47:21 +0100 <Solid> yeah it's a bit of a mess
2021-01-30 15:48:26 +0100 <Solid> I personally only use ghc and stack as well, but bumping the ghc version of course means recompiling (and possibly) bumping every single haskell package that void packages, because we compile everything with the system's ghc
2021-01-30 15:48:34 +0100 <Solid> which is always a lot of fun I tell you :)
2021-01-30 15:49:55 +0100 <Liskni_si> I used to manually edit several stack.yamls and rebuild stuff by hand
2021-01-30 15:50:12 +0100 <Liskni_si> then I figured I can just fix the LTS globally
2021-01-30 15:50:28 +0100 <Liskni_si> so I now have one global stack.yaml in ~/src-haskell and a Makefile
2021-01-30 15:50:52 +0100 <Liskni_si> one could almost say that I've implemented a neanderthal version of nix using stack and GNU make
2021-01-30 15:51:00 +0100 <Liskni_si> and that I'm a complete retard for doing so
2021-01-30 15:51:07 +0100 <Liskni_si> and they'd be right :-D
2021-01-30 15:51:19 +0100 <Solid> hahahaha
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2021-01-30 15:52:08 +0100 <Liskni_si> I'm an oldschool guy, I value disk space more than my time, even though I now have almost 400G free space on my ssd
2021-01-30 15:52:27 +0100 <Liskni_si> and it probably doesn't matter if it takes 3 or 5 hours to back up
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2021-01-30 15:52:37 +0100 <Liskni_si> it is irrational.
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2021-01-30 16:01:48 +0100 <Solid> I think we should have a heading for "Steps to Reproduce" or something in the issue template
2021-01-30 16:02:04 +0100 <Solid> the amound of times one has to explicitly ask for this is insane
2021-01-30 16:02:36 +0100 <Solid> s/und/unt/
2021-01-30 16:04:48 +0100 <Liskni_si> feel free to put something up
2021-01-30 16:04:50 +0100 <degla> Euuh, what would be the terminology to call a ` XConfig a -> XConfig a` function?
2021-01-30 16:04:56 +0100 <degla> like ewmh
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2021-01-30 16:06:02 +0100 <mc47> (degla was me btw, don't know why IRC chose that)
2021-01-30 16:07:06 +0100 <mc47> I want to say "This function composes nicely with other (insert common name for XConfig a -> XConfig a functions) "
2021-01-30 16:07:36 +0100 <Liskni_si> maybe "combinator" ?
2021-01-30 16:10:59 +0100 <mc47> guess that would work
2021-01-30 16:11:12 +0100 <mc47> I'll check up other suggestions later
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2021-01-30 16:14:33 +0100 <Solid> oh there already is something
2021-01-30 16:14:41 +0100 <Solid> "Describe the problem you are having, [...] and how to reproduce the problem"
2021-01-30 16:14:45 +0100 <Solid> just no one reads it
2021-01-30 16:14:48 +0100 <Solid> ...not even me
2021-01-30 16:15:43 +0100 <Liskni_si> :-D
2021-01-30 16:16:00 +0100 <Liskni_si> it'd be much worse if we had more users
2021-01-30 16:17:41 +0100 <Solid> most likely yeah
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2021-01-30 20:03:58 +0100cfricke(~cfricke@unaffiliated/cfricke) (Quit: WeeChat 3.0)
2021-01-30 20:10:26 +0100gazler_(~gazler@195.107.2.81.in-addr.arpa)
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2021-01-30 20:25:12 +0100idhugo(~idhugo@80-62-117-97-mobile.dk.customer.tdc.net) (Remote host closed the connection)
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2021-01-30 20:47:41 +0100feepo(sid28508@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kiyqtfhiuaqwjnyw) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
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2021-01-30 20:47:54 +0100mc47(~yecinem@89.246.239.190)
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2021-01-30 20:48:21 +0100feepo(sid28508@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-drzsmgoumumuleld)
2021-01-30 20:51:58 +0100notis(~notis@185.51.134.229) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2021-01-30 21:27:22 +0100idhugo(~idhugo@80-62-117-97-mobile.dk.customer.tdc.net) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2021-01-30 21:27:48 +0100idhugo(~idhugo@80-62-117-97-mobile.dk.customer.tdc.net)
2021-01-30 21:27:54 +0100idhugo(~idhugo@80-62-117-97-mobile.dk.customer.tdc.net) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2021-01-30 21:28:10 +0100idhugo(~idhugo@80-62-117-97-mobile.dk.customer.tdc.net)
2021-01-30 21:47:38 +0100idhugo(~idhugo@80-62-117-97-mobile.dk.customer.tdc.net) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2021-01-30 21:49:45 +0100idhugo(~idhugo@80-62-117-97-mobile.dk.customer.tdc.net)
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2021-01-30 22:17:02 +0100idhugo(~idhugo@80-62-117-97-mobile.dk.customer.tdc.net) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
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2021-01-30 22:48:39 +0100ADG1089__(~aditya@27.63.42.81)
2021-01-30 22:48:40 +0100geekosaur(82650c7c@130.101.12.124)
2021-01-30 22:56:19 +0100geekosaur(82650c7c@130.101.12.124) (Quit: Connection closed)
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2021-01-30 23:25:36 +0100growpotk-(~growpotki@130-45-30-154.dyn.grandenetworks.net)
2021-01-30 23:47:12 +0100ADG1089__(~aditya@27.63.42.81)
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