IRCBrowse

2020/12/09

2020-12-09 00:00:06 +0100deepy(deepy@wrongplanet/deepa) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2020-12-09 00:15:47 +0100seschwar(~seschwar@unaffiliated/seschwar) (Quit: :wq)
2020-12-09 00:24:11 +0100 <dimestop> did krz hilight me meaning to hilight you dminuoso
2020-12-09 00:24:31 +0100 <dimestop> something about a layout
2020-12-09 00:24:43 +0100 <dimestop> ah well he's gone now
2020-12-09 00:25:25 +0100xaltsc(~xaltsc@unaffiliated/xaltsc) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2020-12-09 00:31:13 +0100 <dminuoso> Mmm?
2020-12-09 00:35:51 +0100 <dimestop> ah I got hilighted early but when I went back it looks like he was chatting to you
2020-12-09 00:35:53 +0100 <dimestop> all good
2020-12-09 00:35:56 +0100 <dimestop> earlier*
2020-12-09 00:55:32 +0100notis(~notis@185.51.134.222) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2020-12-09 00:58:26 +0100schweby(~quassel@2a01:4f9:c010:97d5::1) (Quit: Das ist möglich, also tun wir es. Später.)
2020-12-09 00:59:06 +0100schweby(~quassel@2a01:4f9:c010:97d5::1)
2020-12-09 01:11:26 +0100wonko7(~wonko7@2a01:e35:2ffb:7040:14a1:46f4:68f7:2133) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2020-12-09 01:13:01 +0100thc202(~thc202@unaffiliated/thc202) (Quit: thc202)
2020-12-09 01:15:02 +0100 <dminuoso> Im currently building lists of dictionaries of key combinations, command strings (xmonad prompt), a description and the actual action: https://gitlab.com/dminuoso/xmonad-config/-/blob/master/lib/Windows.hs#L32-48
2020-12-09 01:16:10 +0100 <dminuoso> What I dont like, is that I have to hierarchially on a tree that I need to feed together centrally. Ideally I'd rather have each module sort of "register" all keybindings and commands it wants to introduce, such that my xmonad prompt can just look up into the, possibly dynamically, fed registry
2020-12-09 01:16:41 +0100 <dminuoso> ExtensibleState seems like a bad fit, because ideally I want my xmonad keys config to use this too
2020-12-09 01:16:52 +0100 <dminuoso> (So it has to exist before xmonad even runs)
2020-12-09 01:23:19 +0100halfy(~will@cpc147822-brnt4-2-0-cust700.4-2.cable.virginm.net) (Quit: Leaving)
2020-12-09 01:43:32 +0100daphnis(~daphnis@cm-84.214.179.98.getinternet.no) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2020-12-09 01:52:51 +0100pharaun(~pharaun@static.88-198-62-245.clients.your-server.de) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
2020-12-09 01:53:03 +0100pharaun(~pharaun@static.88-198-62-245.clients.your-server.de)
2020-12-09 01:53:34 +0100dxld_(~dxld@rush.pub.dxld.at)
2020-12-09 01:54:18 +0100dxld(~dxld@80-109-136-248.cable.dynamic.surfer.at) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
2020-12-09 01:54:18 +0100dxld_dxld
2020-12-09 01:54:37 +0100theDon(~td@94.134.91.58) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2020-12-09 01:55:26 +0100theDon(~td@94.134.91.58)
2020-12-09 03:01:56 +0100sam_d(~sam@unaffiliated/sam-d/x-1905598) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2020-12-09 03:02:35 +0100sam_d(~sam@unaffiliated/sam-d/x-1905598)
2020-12-09 03:29:35 +0100ericsagn1(~ericsagne@2405:6580:0:5100:842e:bf6c:baf1:11c6) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2020-12-09 03:41:23 +0100ericsagn1(~ericsagne@2405:6580:0:5100:2bf5:8913:5fd7:7df1)
2020-12-09 03:47:14 +0100 <Hash> Is it possible to display the systems applications.menu or something using Xmonad only. Or a gridselect launcher type that is based on your systems installed apps?
2020-12-09 04:29:01 +0100theDon(~td@94.134.91.58) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2020-12-09 04:31:11 +0100theDon(~td@muedsl-82-207-238-168.citykom.de)
2020-12-09 05:53:42 +0100abhixec(~abhixec@c-67-169-141-95.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
2020-12-09 06:23:04 +0100novas0x2a1(~blah@157-131-125-210.fiber.dynamic.sonic.net)
2020-12-09 06:25:18 +0100novas0x2a(~blah@157-131-125-210.fiber.dynamic.sonic.net) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2020-12-09 06:27:38 +0100ryjm(sid383513@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xyruibfadgkaupwy) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2020-12-09 06:28:48 +0100ryjm(sid383513@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bskhgqtqitkmfuiz)
2020-12-09 06:29:26 +0100lally(sid388228@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lkvfvytrcbfmnwwv) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2020-12-09 06:29:55 +0100lally(sid388228@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bnjavsttoxuogooa)
2020-12-09 06:36:43 +0100growpotkin(~growpotki@130-45-30-154.dyn.grandenetworks.net) (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in)
2020-12-09 07:01:17 +0100deepy(deepy@wrongplanet/deepa)
2020-12-09 07:08:47 +0100palo1(~weechat@c-base/crew/palo)
2020-12-09 07:11:36 +0100palo(~weechat@c-base/crew/palo) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2020-12-09 07:11:36 +0100palo1palo
2020-12-09 07:38:40 +0100dxld(~dxld@rush.pub.dxld.at) (Remote host closed the connection)
2020-12-09 07:39:47 +0100dxld(~dxld@80-109-136-248.cable.dynamic.surfer.at)
2020-12-09 08:08:53 +0100ChubaDuba(~ChubaDuba@5.165.254.226)
2020-12-09 08:19:34 +0100sfrique(~sfrique@189.122.177.88) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2020-12-09 08:24:42 +0100lambdabot(~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot) (Remote host closed the connection)
2020-12-09 08:27:08 +0100lambdabot(~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot)
2020-12-09 08:27:08 +0100ChanServ+v lambdabot
2020-12-09 08:30:33 +0100ChubaDuba(~ChubaDuba@5.165.254.226) (Quit: WeeChat 1.6)
2020-12-09 08:31:56 +0100jchia__(~jchia@58.32.37.146) (Quit: Leaving.)
2020-12-09 08:32:15 +0100jchia__(~jchia@58.32.37.146)
2020-12-09 08:32:29 +0100jchia__(~jchia@58.32.37.146) (Client Quit)
2020-12-09 08:32:49 +0100jchia__(~jchia@58.32.37.146)
2020-12-09 08:33:03 +0100jchia__(~jchia@58.32.37.146) (Client Quit)
2020-12-09 08:37:08 +0100cfricke(~cfricke@unaffiliated/cfricke)
2020-12-09 08:47:42 +0100werneta(~werneta@70-142-214-115.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net)
2020-12-09 08:51:54 +0100sgibber2018(~arch-gibb@208.85.237.137) (Quit: WeeChat 2.9)
2020-12-09 09:16:09 +0100GZJ0X_(~gzj@unaffiliated/gzj)
2020-12-09 09:17:26 +0100notis(~notis@185.51.134.222)
2020-12-09 09:18:53 +0100xaltsc(~xaltsc@unaffiliated/xaltsc)
2020-12-09 09:56:37 +0100thc202(~thc202@unaffiliated/thc202)
2020-12-09 09:58:08 +0100 <afreak> Some of my non-focused windows doesn't stay as normalBorderColor, they seem to get a blend between the normal and focused BorderColor. (it looks like this: https://pasteboard.co/JDXVAF3.png normalColor: #2D2D2D, focusedColor: #CC99CC )
2020-12-09 10:01:00 +0100wonko7(~wonko7@2a01:e35:2ffb:7040:14a1:46f4:68f7:2133)
2020-12-09 10:08:07 +0100GZJ0X_(~gzj@unaffiliated/gzj) (Remote host closed the connection)
2020-12-09 10:08:28 +0100GZJ0X_(~gzj@unaffiliated/gzj)
2020-12-09 10:09:07 +0100GZJ0X_(~gzj@unaffiliated/gzj) (Remote host closed the connection)
2020-12-09 10:09:27 +0100GZJ0X_(~gzj@unaffiliated/gzj)
2020-12-09 11:15:12 +0100ericsagn1(~ericsagne@2405:6580:0:5100:2bf5:8913:5fd7:7df1) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2020-12-09 11:27:14 +0100ericsagn1(~ericsagne@2405:6580:0:5100:5240:599:f44f:5dee)
2020-12-09 12:10:07 +0100GZJ0X_(~gzj@unaffiliated/gzj) (Remote host closed the connection)
2020-12-09 12:10:28 +0100GZJ0X_(~gzj@unaffiliated/gzj)
2020-12-09 12:12:20 +0100jaren999(~cyr4x3@139.47.121.51)
2020-12-09 12:13:37 +0100jaren999(~cyr4x3@139.47.121.51) (Client Quit)
2020-12-09 12:19:27 +0100daphnis(~daphnis@cm-84.214.179.98.getinternet.no)
2020-12-09 12:20:01 +0100 <daphnis> so what are the new names of master and slave windows going to be?
2020-12-09 12:23:32 +0100daphnis_(~daphnis@cm-84.214.179.98.getinternet.no)
2020-12-09 12:34:00 +0100 <Solid> master and stack is reasonably common (it's not called the SlaveSet, after all ;)
2020-12-09 12:35:32 +0100 <Liskni_si> (a similar argument holds for the git master branch and we all know how that held up)
2020-12-09 12:46:01 +0100 <hexo-> all my master branches are still masters
2020-12-09 12:46:03 +0100 <hexo-> :D
2020-12-09 12:48:05 +0100 <Solid> I was gonna say that there were some references to master/slave terminology in the git source code, but I just checked and there are for xmonad as well :/
2020-12-09 12:58:29 +0100 <daphnis> master and stack? what's the thought behind that?
2020-12-09 13:00:59 +0100liskin[m](liskinmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-afjvnrhkjbsjxqqf) ("User left")
2020-12-09 13:14:07 +0100GZJ0X_(~gzj@unaffiliated/gzj) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2020-12-09 13:14:27 +0100GZJ0X_(~gzj@unaffiliated/gzj)
2020-12-09 13:16:00 +0100daphnis_(~daphnis@cm-84.214.179.98.getinternet.no) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2020-12-09 13:16:36 +0100daphnis(~daphnis@cm-84.214.179.98.getinternet.no) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2020-12-09 13:30:38 +0100 <Solid> I dunno, the StackSet is what the zipper that's at the heart of xmonad is called
2020-12-09 13:30:49 +0100 <Solid> I guess they did *not* want to call it SlaveSet ;)
2020-12-09 13:39:01 +0100berberman_(~berberman@unaffiliated/berberman) (Quit: ZNC 1.7.5 - https://znc.in)
2020-12-09 13:39:48 +0100berberman(~berberman@unaffiliated/berberman)
2020-12-09 13:43:09 +0100mc47(~yecinem@89.246.239.190)
2020-12-09 13:48:14 +0100 <mc47> GitHub will open discussions for public repositories! https://github.blog/2020-05-06-new-from-satellite-2020-github-codespaces-github-discussions-securi…
2020-12-09 13:48:40 +0100 <mc47> Liskni_si this might be the best alternative to IRC and bridges
2020-12-09 13:49:51 +0100 <Liskni_si> mc47: I keep thinking of GitHub Discussions as an alternative to mailing lists and phpBBs and Discourses, rather than as an alternative to IRC/Matrix/Slack/Discord
2020-12-09 13:51:12 +0100 <mc47> Well yeah, IRC could be still used for "chatting", but if someone has a problem or wants to discuss something, it looks as a suitable place
2020-12-09 13:51:24 +0100 <Liskni_si> yes
2020-12-09 13:52:27 +0100 <mc47> Could we somehow enable it?
2020-12-09 13:54:08 +0100 <Liskni_si> only admin members of https://github.com/xmonad/ can do that
2020-12-09 13:55:24 +0100 <mc47> If no one of the admins drops by, I'll open an issue and see what people think :)
2020-12-09 13:56:25 +0100 <Solid> I with people would like mailing lists more :/
2020-12-09 13:56:29 +0100 <Solid> s/with/wish/
2020-12-09 13:58:15 +0100 <mc47> I probably only started using emails to communicate when I started university, so I guess it feels too "formal" for me
2020-12-09 13:58:36 +0100 <Liskni_si> the problem with mailing lists is that the vast majority of e-mail clients just aren't optimized for that kind of experience
2020-12-09 13:58:51 +0100 <Solid> I think that feeling goes away after you've been subscribed to some mailing lists for a while
2020-12-09 13:59:03 +0100 <Solid> I also did not really use mail before uni
2020-12-09 13:59:17 +0100 <Solid> Liskni_si: I suspect that's the real reason yes...
2020-12-09 13:59:17 +0100 <Liskni_si> took me several days to upgrade my mutt to send correctly format=flowed mails and display HTML mails with correct encodings and so on
2020-12-09 13:59:25 +0100 <Liskni_si> that's an investment most people aren't willing to make
2020-12-09 13:59:41 +0100 <Liskni_si> and Google/Microsoft isn't going to change the direction either
2020-12-09 13:59:58 +0100 <Solid> You can get a pretty decent experience with just notmuch and emacs ootb
2020-12-09 14:00:05 +0100 <Liskni_si> so most people use clients optimized for forwarding word documents and pictures of cats to one another
2020-12-09 14:00:15 +0100 <Liskni_si> and there's no way we're going to be able to change that
2020-12-09 14:00:18 +0100 <Liskni_si> we need to adapt.
2020-12-09 14:00:37 +0100 <Solid> we could move to sourcehut... :>
2020-12-09 14:00:47 +0100 <mc47> setting up an email client has been on my bucket list for more than a year, and it seems that it'll stay that way... :) it doesn't feel worth it
2020-12-09 14:01:13 +0100 <Liskni_si> Solid: it's quite possible github discussions lets you opt-in to a mailing-list like experience
2020-12-09 14:01:18 +0100 <Liskni_si> Discourse can do that
2020-12-09 14:01:25 +0100 <Liskni_si> GitHub Issues/PRs can almost do that
2020-12-09 14:01:28 +0100 <Solid> Liskni_si: github hates e-mail
2020-12-09 14:01:38 +0100 <Liskni_si> oh it most certainly does not
2020-12-09 14:01:40 +0100 <Solid> it doesn't even render markdown when you send it through email
2020-12-09 14:01:59 +0100 <Liskni_si> or maybe somewhat, but certainly less than the industry average :-)
2020-12-09 14:02:03 +0100 <Solid> it completely ignores even inline attachments
2020-12-09 14:02:23 +0100 <Liskni_si> oh, that's unfortunate :-/
2020-12-09 14:02:45 +0100 <fizzie> I had an almost-reasonable mutt setup where I could compose emails in Markdown, and the email would be sent as a multipart thing with the markdown source as text/plain and a pandoc conversion into text/html as the other half. Think replying was a bit of an issue though.
2020-12-09 14:03:11 +0100 <Liskni_si> fizzie: yeah I have exactly that now as well
2020-12-09 14:03:29 +0100 <Solid> mc47: Hey, my e-mail setup is not even 300 lines of elisp :P
2020-12-09 14:03:38 +0100 <Liskni_si> fizzie: but I send so few e-mails I have no idea whether it works or not :-)
2020-12-09 14:03:49 +0100 <mc47> Solid if I'm doing it, it's definitely gonna be in emacs
2020-12-09 14:05:12 +0100 <fizzie> Heh, yeah, the only emails I send from there are about-monthly "we're still alive" updates to family. Nobody's complained so far, but maybe they wouldn't anyway.
2020-12-09 14:05:57 +0100 <Solid> why not just send plain text only?
2020-12-09 14:06:27 +0100 <Liskni_si> gmail/outlook365 tend to mess up inline replies
2020-12-09 14:07:07 +0100 <Liskni_si> as long as you only top-post (which the netiquette says you shouldn't), text/plain probably works fine
2020-12-09 14:07:22 +0100 <Solid> huh interesting, no one's complained about that to me yet
2020-12-09 14:07:32 +0100 <Solid> so I guess these people learned to live with it :>
2020-12-09 14:07:53 +0100 <Liskni_si> or they think you're the stupid old grandpa who hits send before writing anything
2020-12-09 14:08:01 +0100 <Solid> :D
2020-12-09 14:08:07 +0100 <Liskni_si> not kidding.
2020-12-09 14:08:21 +0100 <Solid> I mean the reply to me obviously
2020-12-09 14:09:47 +0100 <Solid> and I can see in their reply (sadly, most people top-post nowadays and don't delete anything that I send) that it got through correctly
2020-12-09 14:14:56 +0100 <Liskni_si> :-)
2020-12-09 14:18:50 +0100mc47(~yecinem@89.246.239.190) (Remote host closed the connection)
2020-12-09 14:18:55 +0100geekosaur(82659a09@host154-009.vpn.uakron.edu)
2020-12-09 14:39:08 +0100GZJ0X_(~gzj@unaffiliated/gzj) (Remote host closed the connection)
2020-12-09 14:39:29 +0100GZJ0X_(~gzj@unaffiliated/gzj)
2020-12-09 15:07:08 +0100GZJ0X_(~gzj@unaffiliated/gzj) (Remote host closed the connection)
2020-12-09 15:07:29 +0100GZJ0X_(~gzj@unaffiliated/gzj)
2020-12-09 15:08:10 +0100GZJ0X_(~gzj@unaffiliated/gzj) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2020-12-09 15:08:30 +0100GZJ0X_(~gzj@unaffiliated/gzj)
2020-12-09 15:09:11 +0100GZJ0X_(~gzj@unaffiliated/gzj) (Remote host closed the connection)
2020-12-09 15:09:31 +0100GZJ0X_(~gzj@unaffiliated/gzj)
2020-12-09 15:10:08 +0100GZJ0X_(~gzj@unaffiliated/gzj) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2020-12-09 15:10:31 +0100GZJ0X_(~gzj@unaffiliated/gzj)
2020-12-09 15:12:11 +0100GZJ0X_(~gzj@unaffiliated/gzj) (Remote host closed the connection)
2020-12-09 15:12:32 +0100GZJ0X_(~gzj@unaffiliated/gzj)
2020-12-09 15:14:15 +0100GZJ0X_(~gzj@unaffiliated/gzj) (Remote host closed the connection)
2020-12-09 15:18:47 +0100daphnis(~daphnis@cm-84.214.179.98.getinternet.no)
2020-12-09 15:18:47 +0100daphnis_(~daphnis@cm-84.214.179.98.getinternet.no)
2020-12-09 15:24:55 +0100 <Liskni_si> byorgey, geekosaur: What do you guys think I should do with changes to modules maintained by people awol for years? Shall I open PRs and wait if one of you review it, shall I just push do master? I feel like we might get the community more active if we clarify these expectations... perhaps even add more people to the xmonad org. Solid (@slotThe) would be my first candidate.
2020-12-09 15:27:44 +0100 <geekosaur> more people would be a plus given the monolith (which I still think is not that good an idea, in part for this reason)
2020-12-09 15:28:13 +0100 <geekosaur> you get too much bitrot when all the contribs are lumped together in one place
2020-12-09 15:28:38 +0100sfrique(~sfrique@189.122.177.88)
2020-12-09 15:29:50 +0100 <Liskni_si> yeah, anyone listed as a maintainer of a module should be able to push
2020-12-09 15:30:22 +0100 <Liskni_si> we're a small community, people will probably have enough common sense to not do anything crazy :-)
2020-12-09 15:41:44 +0100geekosaur(82659a09@host154-009.vpn.uakron.edu) (Remote host closed the connection)
2020-12-09 15:43:08 +0100amiri(~amiri@cpe-76-91-154-9.socal.res.rr.com) (Remote host closed the connection)
2020-12-09 15:45:15 +0100cfricke(~cfricke@unaffiliated/cfricke) (Quit: WeeChat 2.9)
2020-12-09 15:45:53 +0100amiri(~amiri@cpe-76-91-154-9.socal.res.rr.com)
2020-12-09 15:59:05 +0100berberman_(~berberman@unaffiliated/berberman)
2020-12-09 15:59:12 +0100cfricke(~cfricke@unaffiliated/cfricke)
2020-12-09 16:00:08 +0100berberman(~berberman@unaffiliated/berberman) (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
2020-12-09 16:00:34 +0100berberman_(~berberman@unaffiliated/berberman) (Max SendQ exceeded)
2020-12-09 16:01:02 +0100berberman(~berberman@unaffiliated/berberman)
2020-12-09 16:02:31 +0100berberman(~berberman@unaffiliated/berberman) (Max SendQ exceeded)
2020-12-09 16:03:06 +0100berberman(~berberman@unaffiliated/berberman)
2020-12-09 16:06:37 +0100al3x27(~plovs@85.254.75.80)
2020-12-09 16:13:15 +0100jchia__(~jchia@58.32.37.146)
2020-12-09 16:16:06 +0100cfricke(~cfricke@unaffiliated/cfricke) (Quit: WeeChat 2.9)
2020-12-09 16:26:14 +0100SampleSet19(59f60b83@i59F60B83.versanet.de)
2020-12-09 16:27:05 +0100SampleSet19(59f60b83@i59F60B83.versanet.de) (Remote host closed the connection)
2020-12-09 16:37:34 +0100rabliatu(~quassel@107.158.96.139) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2020-12-09 16:52:02 +0100daphnis_(~daphnis@cm-84.214.179.98.getinternet.no) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2020-12-09 16:52:02 +0100daphnis(~daphnis@cm-84.214.179.98.getinternet.no) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2020-12-09 17:03:04 +0100 <dminuoso> Solid: So I settled for xmonad prompt, it's a much better fit! https://gitlab.com/dminuoso/xmonad-config/-/blob/master/xmonad.hs#L101-107
2020-12-09 17:03:26 +0100 <dminuoso> Just need to swap out dmenu for xmonad prompt too, and then I truly have my set up in custom haskell under my control
2020-12-09 17:07:47 +0100notis(~notis@185.51.134.222) (Quit: WeeChat 2.9)
2020-12-09 17:12:21 +0100 <Solid> Liskni_si: thank you for the recommendation :o
2020-12-09 17:12:58 +0100 <Solid> dminuoso: sounds good :) always happy to see more people using the prompt
2020-12-09 17:13:13 +0100 <Solid> the code is cursed but the functionality is actually really good :>
2020-12-09 17:15:52 +0100 <Liskni_si> Solid: You're welcome. You've been quite active lately, so giving you push access means less work for the others :-))
2020-12-09 17:17:43 +0100 <Solid> always happy to reduce others' work ;)
2020-12-09 17:22:52 +0100 <dminuoso> Solid: Is the prompt your work?
2020-12-09 17:23:09 +0100 <Solid> dminuoso: oh nononono I'm much too young to have written that :>
2020-12-09 17:23:49 +0100 <Solid> I just think it's perhaps a bit under-appreciated by a lot of people despite being enormously powerful
2020-12-09 17:24:12 +0100 <dminuoso> I sometimes do wonder whether the reason for wayland is just folks knowledgeable of ICCCM/EMWH/X11 getting too old, and younger folks not finding their way in..
2020-12-09 17:24:23 +0100 <dminuoso> Much of this is really arcane stuff
2020-12-09 17:24:34 +0100abhixec(~abhixec@c-67-169-141-95.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
2020-12-09 17:25:22 +0100 <dminuoso> Solid: Yeah, I mean it isn't until now that I actually do appreciate the flexibility of xmonad. You do have to be an advanced Haskellerer to navigate your way through all of xmonad, -contrib
2020-12-09 17:25:33 +0100 <dminuoso> And then write code yourself, as opposed to just mindlessly copy+pasting snippets
2020-12-09 17:25:47 +0100 <Liskni_si> I remember there being some sort of motivaton of Wayland talk from XDG around 2015 or something like that
2020-12-09 17:26:44 +0100 <Liskni_si> anyway I believe the primary benefit of Wayland is proper isolation and security
2020-12-09 17:27:02 +0100 <Liskni_si> with X11 you can't hope to ever run any untrusted client without risking compromising everything else
2020-12-09 17:27:25 +0100 <Liskni_si> and it's a design issue
2020-12-09 17:29:34 +0100ybenel(~Mandalore@unaffiliated/ybenel)
2020-12-09 17:30:17 +0100ybenel(~Mandalore@unaffiliated/ybenel) ()
2020-12-09 17:30:29 +0100ddellacosta(dd@gateway/vpn/mullvad/ddellacosta)
2020-12-09 17:31:08 +0100ybenel(~Mandalore@unaffiliated/ybenel)
2020-12-09 17:33:57 +0100seschwar(~seschwar@unaffiliated/seschwar)
2020-12-09 17:36:47 +0100daphnis_(~daphnis@cm-84.214.179.98.getinternet.no)
2020-12-09 17:36:47 +0100daphnis(~daphnis@cm-84.214.179.98.getinternet.no)
2020-12-09 17:42:14 +0100growpotkin(~growpotki@130-45-30-154.dyn.grandenetworks.net)
2020-12-09 18:09:57 +0100thunderrd(~thunderrd@183.182.110.8) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2020-12-09 18:16:17 +0100geekosaur(82659a09@host154-009.vpn.uakron.edu)
2020-12-09 18:22:40 +0100thunderrd(~thunderrd@183.182.113.8)
2020-12-09 18:23:11 +0100 <geekosaur> X11 has a bunch of design issues, to be honest. I'm just unconvinced Wayland solves any of them :)
2020-12-09 18:24:55 +0100 <geekosaur> and it's thrown out a bunch of institutional memory in the process and is currently reinventing all of it
2020-12-09 18:28:11 +0100malook(~Thunderbi@5.82.52.68)
2020-12-09 18:39:23 +0100notis(~notis@185.51.134.229)
2020-12-09 18:42:31 +0100 <dminuoso> geekosaur: Isn't that the story of many "We're gonna make XYZ from old [POSIX/UNIX/GNU/etc] times new again" type of projects?
2020-12-09 18:43:30 +0100 <geekosaur> more or less
2020-12-09 18:45:14 +0100 <Liskni_si> with my optimistic hat on, I'd say that the proportion of failed "make XYZ from old times" projects isn't any different than what you'd expect a proportion of failed any projects to be :-)
2020-12-09 18:55:45 +0100nova(~novasenco@gateway/tor-sasl/novasenco)
2020-12-09 18:56:43 +0100 <nova> so, `xdo` doesn't work in xmonad ("can't find active window")? What gives? And also, when I force tor-browser (via xmonad.hs) to be floating so I can read nytimes, it has weird artifacts around bottom and right.
2020-12-09 18:58:33 +0100 <Liskni_si> nova: xdo probably needs EWMH support, look for EwmhDesktops in xmonad-contrib
2020-12-09 18:58:44 +0100 <nova> oof. mkay
2020-12-09 18:59:11 +0100mc47(~yecinem@89.246.239.190)
2020-12-09 19:01:17 +0100 <nova> see here: https://imgur.com/a/ehos66k when I open tor-browser, the artifacts eat into the screen realestate (*whispers "it's free realestate"*), and when I navigate to nytimes' onion, eg, it persists. :(
2020-12-09 19:02:03 +0100 <nova> in myManageHook: , className =? "Tor Browser" --> doFloat
2020-12-09 19:03:32 +0100 <Liskni_si> that looks just like my firefox not respecting the rectangle given by xmonad
2020-12-09 19:03:41 +0100 <Liskni_si> resizing it a bit after start usually helps
2020-12-09 19:03:54 +0100 <Liskni_si> (just open another window and then close it)
2020-12-09 19:04:18 +0100 <Liskni_si> or maybe it's something else entirely, dunno
2020-12-09 19:05:11 +0100 <dminuoso> Liskni_si: It's hard to define "failed". Some of these projects attempting to "revolutionize ideas" by blatantly ignoring decades of insights and research (such as NoSQL databases) certainly would never agree to be called, and none of their followers would either.
2020-12-09 19:05:23 +0100 <nova> somehow it is more than that. firefox works fine. tor-browser is weird. If I resize it, then it still has these artifacts. It's weird
2020-12-09 19:05:31 +0100 <dminuoso> In my eyes, they are just deeply flawed ideas with even more flawed implementations.
2020-12-09 19:05:50 +0100 <vrs> nova: isn't that a torbrowser specific thing, as in, it constricts you to screen sizes that have a big anonymity set
2020-12-09 19:06:19 +0100 <dminuoso> Yes it is.
2020-12-09 19:06:46 +0100 <nova> This is not important to me, but .. yes .. I believe that tor browser says that if you use the screen size that everyone else uses, then you will be "more secure". I don't really care about extreme security like that, so maybe I will just make it tiled.
2020-12-09 19:07:06 +0100 <vrs> there's probably a knob for turning this off
2020-12-09 19:07:20 +0100 <dminuoso> The technique is called letterboxing
2020-12-09 19:08:22 +0100 <dminuoso> In essence tor enforces margins on the render area, so it's far from window properties
2020-12-09 19:08:30 +0100 <dminuoso> Or rather the tor browser does
2020-12-09 19:08:52 +0100 <Liskni_si> dminuoso: if you'd like to expand on the NoSQL databases idea, feel free to braindump in my privmsg, I have a job offer from MongoDB that I have no idea how to answer :-)
2020-12-09 19:09:06 +0100 <dminuoso> about:config will give access to privacy.resistFingerprinting.letterboxing
2020-12-09 19:09:25 +0100 <nova> yeah I don't see any way to disable it. the weird thing is that this has worked in all my tilers.. dwm, i3, bspwm.
2020-12-09 19:10:20 +0100 <dminuoso> nova: Check the about:config option I named above
2020-12-09 19:10:21 +0100 <nova> oh
2020-12-09 19:10:32 +0100 <nova> yes. I had a sip of coffee and then saw it. heh thanks
2020-12-09 19:10:42 +0100 <Liskni_si> oh, clever (that anti-fingerprinting trick)
2020-12-09 19:11:04 +0100 <Solid> tor has a lot of cool little stuff like that
2020-12-09 19:11:29 +0100 <nova> well, I don't want to be fingerprinted either :D .. but boom chicka boom you're a god{,des}, dminuoso :)
2020-12-09 19:13:45 +0100 <Solid> kinda of sad that distribution like tails don't even care about anti-fingerprinting measures that much and install addons that are not in the vanilla tor-browser-bundle >.>
2020-12-09 19:15:47 +0100 <nova> Does anyone here use a highly hackable text editor that is easy to configure whereby it would be relatively easy to implement either urxvt's perl's clipboard plugin or suckless' simple terminal's clipboard patch? In the urxvt clipboard script, I pressed alt+u to enter a new "clipboard mode"; then j/k navigated down/up through URLs, and a Return opened in firefox while a y yanked to PRIMARY. In st,
2020-12-09 19:15:49 +0100 <nova> alt+u selected the lower most URL and stuck a \x1b[7m or so in front of the URL and a \x1b[0m after to make it "apparently selected" and ALSO yanked to PRIMARY immediately; then subsequent alt+u navigate to the next-from-current URL (although the implementation was pretty broken and some URLs were skipped, which was super annoying).. errr.. sorry for super long question
2020-12-09 19:15:53 +0100ericsagn1(~ericsagne@2405:6580:0:5100:5240:599:f44f:5dee) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2020-12-09 19:16:01 +0100 <nova> * highly hackable virtual terminal * not editor sorry
2020-12-09 19:16:09 +0100ChubaDuba(~ChubaDuba@176.212.58.197)
2020-12-09 19:18:50 +0100sgibber2018(~arch-gibb@208.85.237.137)
2020-12-09 19:21:28 +0100ChubaDuba(~ChubaDuba@176.212.58.197) (Quit: WeeChat 1.6)
2020-12-09 19:22:03 +0100thunderrd(~thunderrd@183.182.113.8) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2020-12-09 19:22:23 +0100ChubaDuba(~ChubaDuba@176.212.58.197)
2020-12-09 19:23:14 +0100ChubaDuba(~ChubaDuba@176.212.58.197) (Client Quit)
2020-12-09 19:28:00 +0100ericsagn1(~ericsagne@2405:6580:0:5100:e26e:cf9:1dd6:9615)
2020-12-09 19:28:17 +0100ChubaDuba(~ChubaDuba@176.212.58.197)
2020-12-09 19:29:57 +0100ChubaDuba(~ChubaDuba@176.212.58.197) (Client Quit)
2020-12-09 19:30:43 +0100ChubaDuba(~ChubaDuba@176.212.58.197)
2020-12-09 19:34:03 +0100abhixec(~abhixec@c-67-169-141-95.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: Lost terminal)
2020-12-09 19:34:44 +0100thunderrd(~thunderrd@183.182.110.8)
2020-12-09 19:34:49 +0100seschwar(~seschwar@unaffiliated/seschwar) (Quit: :wq)
2020-12-09 19:36:44 +0100seschwar(~seschwar@unaffiliated/seschwar)
2020-12-09 19:36:59 +0100 <dminuoso> 19:16:01 nova | * highly hackable virtual terminal * not editor sorry
2020-12-09 19:37:04 +0100 <dminuoso> Hold on, one doesn't exclude the other.
2020-12-09 19:37:06 +0100 <dminuoso> Emacs? :>
2020-12-09 19:37:28 +0100 <By_JumperX4[m]> lmao
2020-12-09 19:37:57 +0100nova's eyes widen in horror. vim user. started when I was 16. went down the rabbit hole. Used emacs for a couple weeks. Went back to vim. Plan to make a new editor to blend emacs and vim in the best ways, but hard and waiting until I have time
2020-12-09 19:38:05 +0100 <dminuoso> nova: emacs has your back
2020-12-09 19:38:07 +0100 <dminuoso> There's evil-mode
2020-12-09 19:38:17 +0100 <dminuoso> That's best of emacs and best of vim in one package!
2020-12-09 19:38:23 +0100 <dminuoso> (That's what got me to the other side)
2020-12-09 19:38:33 +0100 <nova> yes, evil-mode and viper-mode. But it's not vim, so.
2020-12-09 19:38:40 +0100 <dminuoso> Yeah, it's better!
2020-12-09 19:38:49 +0100 <dminuoso> You get to have magit, org-mode and dired!
2020-12-09 19:38:52 +0100novadons Big Lebowski pants.
2020-12-09 19:38:59 +0100 <nova> That's, like, your opinion, man.
2020-12-09 19:39:14 +0100 <dminuoso> Perhaps I didn't make the editor war sarcasm quite clear enough.
2020-12-09 19:39:20 +0100 <dminuoso> My apologies.
2020-12-09 19:39:36 +0100 <nova> heh. Well, you know how people get.
2020-12-09 19:39:47 +0100 <nova> "Use my editor. it's better. You're stupid."
2020-12-09 19:40:17 +0100 <Liskni_si> making you own editor seems like quite an investment
2020-12-09 19:40:21 +0100 <nova> there's a reason for xkcd 378 or whatever.. "real programmers"
2020-12-09 19:40:22 +0100 <dminuoso> Hold on, I have just the thing
2020-12-09 19:40:30 +0100 <dminuoso> M-x educate-why-emacs-is-better
2020-12-09 19:40:46 +0100 <dminuoso> heh yeah
2020-12-09 19:41:07 +0100novaslowly adds a weechat filter to dminuoso .. j/k :D
2020-12-09 19:41:37 +0100 <dminuoso> Amusingly enough, I have just started making my xmonad behave more like emacs. mod-x is a thing now here :>
2020-12-09 19:41:45 +0100 <dminuoso> To bring this discussion back to ontopic
2020-12-09 19:41:49 +0100 <dminuoso> Anyway, gotta run
2020-12-09 19:42:13 +0100 <nova> you're .. you're a monster .. *runs away screaming*
2020-12-09 19:42:28 +0100 <Solid> you can talk to M-x doctor about your problems of being a vim user :>
2020-12-09 19:44:02 +0100 <nova> I actually really dislike stupid things like that in my editor / operating system / pdf viewer / programming language / bloatware ;P .. I mean okay vim has :smile and :help UserGettingBored but ... M-x doctor ... come on, brew. what the heck.
2020-12-09 19:47:12 +0100 <nova> the thing about vim is that vim-script is stupid slow - neovim has almost first class lua support and it can be 100 times faster (esp in loops). Vim is really stupid. Vim9Script is kinda interesting but .. idk how it will go. I like lisp not really, but I like that emacs is lisp first and editor second because it makes for hackability. But I don't like how emacs organized everything and don't like
2020-12-09 19:47:14 +0100 <nova> the direction it took. I also think vim modes and emacs modes both are not properly done. I have ideas for this. That's why I want to make own editor. Sorry for being O.T. No more from me.
2020-12-09 19:48:44 +0100 <geekosaur> M-x doctor is a bit of Lisp history kept alive by Emacs
2020-12-09 19:48:52 +0100 <geekosaur> go look up ELIZA
2020-12-09 19:48:57 +0100 <nova> I think a very concise (like xmonad) and easy-to-customize yet extremely robust and powerful editor is in order. Or maybe not. idk.
2020-12-09 19:49:11 +0100 <nova> in Haskell *
2020-12-09 19:49:37 +0100 <geekosaur> it was done. it's dead, last I checked. (yi)
2020-12-09 19:49:40 +0100 <Solid> nova: there's Yi that aims to do at least some of that
2020-12-09 19:49:47 +0100 <Solid> and yes it's dead
2020-12-09 19:51:40 +0100 <nova> hehe yeah.
2020-12-09 20:03:05 +0100berberman(~berberman@unaffiliated/berberman) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2020-12-09 20:03:32 +0100berberman(~berberman@unaffiliated/berberman)
2020-12-09 20:03:52 +0100adder(~adder@unaffiliated/adder)
2020-12-09 20:04:16 +0100 <adder> hello, i've made some changes to the configuration, and xmonad spawns two xmobar instances, however, shortly thereafter, they disappear
2020-12-09 20:04:42 +0100 <adder> https://dpaste.com/365THXS5R
2020-12-09 20:06:14 +0100ChubaDuba(~ChubaDuba@176.212.58.197) (Quit: WeeChat 1.6)
2020-12-09 20:07:48 +0100 <adder> when ran from terminal, everything is ok
2020-12-09 20:07:55 +0100 <adder> but when xmonad spawns them, they disappear
2020-12-09 20:12:55 +0100 <geekosaur> not seeing anything obvious wrong with your config but it sounds like they're getting EOF from xmonad for some reason.
2020-12-09 20:13:16 +0100abhixec(~abhixec@c-67-169-141-95.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
2020-12-09 20:15:35 +0100 <sgibber2018> nova: I didn't know about :smile. That's a good one. Between vim and xmonad I've got my whole system almost perfect. They play really well together.
2020-12-09 20:17:44 +0100abhixec(~abhixec@c-67-169-141-95.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
2020-12-09 20:18:02 +0100malook(~Thunderbi@5.82.52.68) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2020-12-09 20:18:04 +0100malook1(~Thunderbi@5.82.52.68)
2020-12-09 20:20:27 +0100malook1malook
2020-12-09 20:26:24 +0100 <adder> why would it be getting EOF?
2020-12-09 20:28:50 +0100geekosaur(82659a09@host154-009.vpn.uakron.edu) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2020-12-09 20:36:27 +0100adder(~adder@unaffiliated/adder) (Remote host closed the connection)
2020-12-09 20:39:17 +0100adder(~adder@unaffiliated/adder)
2020-12-09 20:43:16 +0100 <nova> In all of the xmonad.hs files I see, people use `main = xmonad =<< statusBar myBar myPP defaults` basically, but I have `main = xmonad =<< xmobar defaults`. I don't understand what is going on, and I would like to.
2020-12-09 20:44:05 +0100 <nova> I just want to change myPP .. or something .. in order to change the colors in the stdout xmonad sends to xmobar, and I don't know why I am having so much trouble.
2020-12-09 20:44:54 +0100 <nova> I want to do this "properly" but everyone does it a different freakin' way
2020-12-09 20:44:55 +0100rekahsoft(~rekahsoft@cpe0008a20f982f-cm64777d666260.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)
2020-12-09 20:47:22 +0100malook(~Thunderbi@5.82.52.68) (Quit: malook)
2020-12-09 20:48:02 +0100geekosaur(82659a09@host154-009.vpn.uakron.edu)
2020-12-09 20:52:50 +0100adder(~adder@unaffiliated/adder) (Remote host closed the connection)
2020-12-09 20:53:15 +0100 <nova> Yes, so, I experimented, and got it working with main = do xmonad =<< statusBar "xmobar" toggleStutsKey defaults but nothing else would work. I want to understand.
2020-12-09 20:54:09 +0100rekahsoft(~rekahsoft@cpe0008a20f982f-cm64777d666260.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
2020-12-09 20:54:54 +0100 <geekosaur> what kinds of things did you try?
2020-12-09 20:57:00 +0100 <Solid> nova: the `xmobar` function is just a specialized `statusBar` that already supplies a PP, so using `statusBar` if you want to supply your own pretty-printer *is* the proper way
2020-12-09 20:57:02 +0100amiri(~amiri@cpe-76-91-154-9.socal.res.rr.com) (Remote host closed the connection)
2020-12-09 20:57:11 +0100 <Solid> or is there something else you don't understand?
2020-12-09 20:57:31 +0100 <nova> I tried without toggleStrutsKey .. didn't work. I tried xmonad =<< xmobar myPP defaults
2020-12-09 20:57:43 +0100 <nova> and sorry this is actually what I have main = xmonad =<< statusBar "xmobar" myPP toggleStrutsKey defaults
2020-12-09 20:58:17 +0100 <geekosaur> right, neither of those would work because `xmobar` already provides a PP and `toggleStrutsKey`
2020-12-09 20:59:13 +0100 <nova> what in the taco wako. okay. Thanks.
2020-12-09 20:59:19 +0100 <ybenel> fellas, why FadeWindows Hook Doesn't take any effects
2020-12-09 20:59:46 +0100 <Solid> If it helps, this is the exact definition of the `xmobar` function: `xmobar conf = statusBar "xmobar" xmobarPP toggleStrutsKey conf`, where `toggleStrutsKey` and `xmobarPP` are defined in the module
2020-12-09 21:00:00 +0100 <Solid> it's just there to be a quick "I don't care how it looks" solution
2020-12-09 21:00:01 +0100 <geekosaur> ybenel, because all it does is set an opacity property which your compositor reads
2020-12-09 21:00:34 +0100 <geekosaur> it would be up to your compositor to provide effects, and provide some way to specify them
2020-12-09 21:00:45 +0100 <ybenel> geekosaur: for some reason picom doesn't interpret it
2020-12-09 21:01:27 +0100 <ybenel> also i had picom configured to put opacity in some app like xterm/atom yet it doesn't work
2020-12-09 21:02:27 +0100 <al3x27> ybenel: xterm and opacity are no friends
2020-12-09 21:04:31 +0100 <ybenel> but it used to work before when i was using awesomewm .
2020-12-09 21:04:58 +0100 <ybenel> i have no issue about opacity i don't really care about it, i'm just not sure why it's not working
2020-12-09 21:06:07 +0100wonko7(~wonko7@2a01:e35:2ffb:7040:14a1:46f4:68f7:2133) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2020-12-09 21:08:56 +0100 <al3x27> ybenel: did you try someting like alacritty? and picom in a terminal? just to cover the bases?
2020-12-09 21:11:33 +0100 <geekosaur> ok, think that question is answered: the module uses the original opacity atom but there's an eWMH atom now that is preferred, so they probably desupported the old one
2020-12-09 21:13:31 +0100 <ybenel> so, no transparency then .
2020-12-09 21:13:55 +0100 <geekosaur> not without modifying the module to use _NET_WM_WINDOW_OPACITY
2020-12-09 21:14:08 +0100 <geekosaur> should work the same way, so the fix should be simple
2020-12-09 21:15:16 +0100daphnis_(~daphnis@cm-84.214.179.98.getinternet.no) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
2020-12-09 21:15:16 +0100daphnis(~daphnis@cm-84.214.179.98.getinternet.no) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
2020-12-09 21:18:08 +0100 <dminuoso> Mmm, what are some elegant options of rigging screenshotting abilities into xmonad?
2020-12-09 21:18:28 +0100 <dminuoso> Just spawn scrot?
2020-12-09 21:18:36 +0100 <geekosaur> that's what I do
2020-12-09 21:18:55 +0100 <geekosaur> remember to ue XMonad.Util.Ungrab though
2020-12-09 21:20:16 +0100 <dminuoso> Curious, why is ungrabbing necessary
2020-12-09 21:21:28 +0100 <geekosaur> so Submaps work
2020-12-09 21:21:36 +0100 <ybenel> i use scrot with dmenu it's more efficient
2020-12-09 21:21:54 +0100 <geekosaur> otherwise it drops the grab and imediately re-asserts it, and keys can be lost if you type quickly enough
2020-12-09 21:22:30 +0100 <Solid> ybenel: can't picom do transparency on its own?
2020-12-09 21:22:46 +0100 <ybenel> Solid: it doesn't work
2020-12-09 21:22:47 +0100 <Solid> I still use an old fork of compton but it e.g. has things for inactive windows (inactive-opacity)
2020-12-09 21:23:15 +0100wonko7(~wonko7@lns-bzn-55-82-255-183-4.adsl.proxad.net)
2020-12-09 21:23:20 +0100adder(~adder@unaffiliated/adder)
2020-12-09 21:23:28 +0100 <Solid> are you using ewmh?
2020-12-09 21:23:33 +0100 <Solid> it probably needs that to work
2020-12-09 21:23:49 +0100 <adder> hello, does Layout.IndependentScreens have a limit on 1-9 workspaces?
2020-12-09 21:23:49 +0100 <ybenel> yes
2020-12-09 21:23:55 +0100 <geekosaur> it has options to use ewmh but defaults to old style
2020-12-09 21:24:08 +0100amiri(~amiri@cpe-76-91-154-9.socal.res.rr.com)
2020-12-09 21:24:10 +0100 <Solid> ah I see
2020-12-09 21:24:32 +0100 <Solid> sometimes I kind of wish ewmh would make it into core
2020-12-09 21:24:52 +0100geekosaurjust went partway through the picom manual, didnt see anything that would stop it from working
2020-12-09 21:25:08 +0100 <geekosaur> I think it's past time ewmh went into the core, to be honest
2020-12-09 21:25:24 +0100 <geekosaur> we're at the point where so many things rely on it
2020-12-09 21:26:35 +0100 <ybenel> my whole config rely on it
2020-12-09 21:26:50 +0100 <dminuoso> geekosaur: Ohh it took me a while to get it. You're thinking of `scrot --select` right?
2020-12-09 21:27:13 +0100 <dminuoso> I was really confused why scrot would need a grab at all. :)
2020-12-09 21:27:41 +0100 <geekosaur> nope. scrot asserts a grab immediately so nothing's being drawn as it's recording the screen image (remember, X11 is multitasking)
2020-12-09 21:30:00 +0100 <geekosaur> but it can't lock the server while xmonad has a keyboard (or mouse) grab up
2020-12-09 21:32:35 +0100daphnis(~daphnis@cm-84.214.179.98.getinternet.no)
2020-12-09 21:32:36 +0100daphnis_(~daphnis@cm-84.214.179.98.getinternet.no)
2020-12-09 21:42:52 +0100al3x27(~plovs@85.254.75.80) (Quit: WeeChat 2.9)
2020-12-09 21:45:28 +0100abhixec(~abhixec@c-67-169-141-95.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
2020-12-09 21:56:36 +0100 <adder> i have 12 workspaces, however they're ordered as 1 10 11 12 2 3 4 ...
2020-12-09 21:56:41 +0100 <adder> instead of 1 .. 10 11 12
2020-12-09 21:56:48 +0100 <adder> how can i sort them numerically?
2020-12-09 21:57:39 +0100 <geekosaur> how are you sorting them now?
2020-12-09 21:57:41 +0100 <adder> even if i pass hardcoded list, it still sorts them like that
2020-12-09 21:57:59 +0100 <adder> https://dpaste.com/EYN6CSBE
2020-12-09 21:58:01 +0100 <adder> https://dpaste.com/EYN6CSBEG
2020-12-09 21:58:36 +0100 <adder> i'm not sure what exactly does the sorting
2020-12-09 22:03:20 +0100 <fizzie> That's a bit odd. Maybe something to do with IndependentScreens' workspace name marshalling? Because what you really have is 24 actual workspaces.
2020-12-09 22:03:56 +0100 <geekosaur> and where are these being sorted, xmobar? if so I think you need to arrange for something smarter than "show" to convert a workspace number to a name
2020-12-09 22:04:07 +0100 <geekosaur> with leading spaces or zeroes or something
2020-12-09 22:04:19 +0100 <adder> yeah xmobar
2020-12-09 22:04:43 +0100 <geekosaur> and yes, I'm guessing marshallSort is doing it
2020-12-09 22:05:04 +0100 <geekosaur> https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/blob/master/XMonad/Layout/IndependentScreens.hs#L184
2020-12-09 22:05:53 +0100 <adder> what can i do? i tried sorting the list
2020-12-09 22:07:17 +0100 <geekosaur> as I said, you need to add leading spaces to the single-digit workspace names so they'll sort correctly. workspace names are strings in xmonad, not numbers
2020-12-09 22:08:39 +0100 <fizzie> That said, that's not the behavior I'd've expected. The default `ppSort` for DynamicLog is getSortByIndex, which *should* be just based on the index of the tag in the workspace list, and IndependentScreens' marshallSort looks designed to just do the necessary mapping for that to continue to work. Maybe.
2020-12-09 22:09:40 +0100 <adder> i had them sorted correctly, then i introduced independent screens
2020-12-09 22:09:55 +0100 <fizzie> Well, that sort of proves something goes amiss there, I guess.
2020-12-09 22:10:06 +0100 <geekosaur> that's what it looks like to me as well, but apparently it worked before adding marshallPP
2020-12-09 22:10:18 +0100 <geekosaur> wait note that "sortNumeric" dangling before "main"
2020-12-09 22:10:30 +0100 <geekosaur> wonder where that belongs…
2020-12-09 22:10:30 +0100 <adder> yeah that's what i tried to sort it with
2020-12-09 22:10:46 +0100 <adder> i tried in ghci and it sorts correctly
2020-12-09 22:11:35 +0100 <fizzie> You could *try* stuffing that logic into your `ppSort` field, though it'd need some tweaking for that.
2020-12-09 22:12:17 +0100 <fizzie> Basically, the equivalent of XMonad.Util.WorkspaceCompare's getSortByTag except with your comparison function. https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmonad-contrib-0.16/docs/src/XMonad.Util.WorkspaceCompare.html…
2020-12-09 22:14:45 +0100 <adder> ok, i'll try something, thanks
2020-12-09 22:16:41 +0100 <fizzie> I'm thinking the problem with IndependentScreens' marshallSort may be exactly that it handles marshalling and unmarshalling the physical workspace names, so that the sort function just sees the plain "1", "2", ..., but then the default sort function will fail to find indices for any of those because the config's workspace list will be "0_1", "0_2", ... and so on.
2020-12-09 22:17:53 +0100 <fizzie> In which case it would in fact fall back to lexicographically sorting the names, because of mconcat [indexCompare `on` wsIndex, compare], and indexCompare Nothing Nothing = EQ.
2020-12-09 22:18:12 +0100 <geekosaur> makes sense
2020-12-09 22:18:24 +0100 <geekosaur> interesting that nobody reported it before
2020-12-09 22:19:06 +0100 <fizzie> Back when I was using IndependentScreens, my workspace list was only from "1" to "9", otherwise I might've even noticed. :)
2020-12-09 22:27:00 +0100geekosaurjust filed issues for both of today's bugs/warts
2020-12-09 22:39:34 +0100abhixec(~abhixec@c-67-169-141-95.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
2020-12-09 22:41:05 +0100geekosaur(82659a09@host154-009.vpn.uakron.edu) (Remote host closed the connection)
2020-12-09 23:00:11 +0100fionnan(~fionnan@109.255.20.201) (Remote host closed the connection)
2020-12-09 23:30:10 +0100de-vri-es(~de-vri-es@voyager.de-vri.es) (Quit: Bathrobe!)
2020-12-09 23:30:50 +0100de-vri-es(~de-vri-es@voyager.de-vri.es)
2020-12-09 23:31:19 +0100xaltsc(~xaltsc@unaffiliated/xaltsc) (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
2020-12-09 23:43:22 +0100mc47(~yecinem@89.246.239.190) (Remote host closed the connection)