| 2026-03-03 00:00:35 +0100 | <liskin> | and I also hope people in those communities consider it okay to get paid for expert labour :-) |
| 2026-03-03 00:00:42 +0100 | <geekosaur> | sure, but I wasn't talking about a free software community |
| 2026-03-03 00:01:50 +0100 | <geekosaur> | (in particular, at the time I was living out of a homeless shelter and yeh, most of the people there would and at least some of them had sufficient need) |
| 2026-03-03 00:02:07 +0100 | <liskin> | right, that makes sense |
| 2026-03-03 00:05:49 +0100 | <liskin> | I don't _need_ the money per se, but it enables me to take more time recovering from burnout (which is going surprisingly well the last few weeks) and potentially even spend time working on free software again (which was the original idea of seeking donations for the project in the first place - to enable some of us to spend time on xmonad without worrying about rent and having to work full-time on |
| 2026-03-03 00:05:51 +0100 | <liskin> | some commercial crap) |
| 2026-03-03 00:06:30 +0100 | <liskin> | I mean I am actually doing some CI maintenance right now, but that's mainly motivated by there being too many emails about it in my inbox :-D |
| 2026-03-03 00:08:14 +0100 | <geekosaur> | oh, whoops, missed who asked :/ |
| 2026-03-03 00:08:21 +0100 | <geekosaur> | was actually on my phone when I got it |
| 2026-03-03 00:08:35 +0100 | <geekosaur> | so I caught Solid but not thatyou were asking |
| 2026-03-03 00:09:08 +0100 | <liskin> | so anyway, I intend to burn the money on rent/food/beer, and do not intend to pay it back even if I theoretically could, because I think it's in line with what we've been raising it for |
| 2026-03-03 00:09:17 +0100 | <geekosaur> | ah, so you were the one who handled the dependabot stuff? was wondering because I didn't see any commit messages |
| 2026-03-03 00:09:49 +0100 | <liskin> | yeah, I didn't open a PR, it's just mundane stuff - and then dependabot noticed its PRs aren't needed any more |
| 2026-03-03 00:10:12 +0100 | <geekosaur> | and yeh, not entirely different here except that all I needed it for was rent; my sister was able to cover the rest |
| 2026-03-03 00:10:55 +0100 | <geekosaur> | including taking over my cellphone bill (she still has it in fact, but I'm sending her a check every month now because I can afford ot) |
| 2026-03-03 00:11:11 +0100 | <liskin> | xmonad core repo will be a bit trickier as we still need the HEADHACKAGE/allow-newer kludges |
| 2026-03-03 00:15:48 +0100 | <geekosaur> | I should have just pushed those PRs in, but of late I've been (a) going to doctor appointments (b) trying to push stuff into cabal (Hackage instability has been making them time out and abort CI) (c) trying to catch up on household stuff not done because of (a) |
| 2026-03-03 00:16:13 +0100 | <geekosaur> | 4 doctor appointments each the last two weeks (plus a day lost to laundry weekly) |
| 2026-03-03 00:16:33 +0100 | <liskin> | the hackage release patch needed adjusting anyway, so merging those PRs wouldn't have been quite correct anyway |
| 2026-03-03 00:16:44 +0100 | <geekosaur> | down to 2 the next couple weeks, then hopefully just 1, then in a month or so those should end |
| 2026-03-03 00:18:38 +0100 | <liskin> | actually the patch didn't even apply because I hand-edited the last haskell-ci-update PRs and forgot to update the patch |
| 2026-03-03 00:19:08 +0100 | <liskin> | well fingers crossed for your health |
| 2026-03-03 00:19:27 +0100 | <liskin> | mine seems to be dependent on sunlight, which we don't get much of lately :-) |
| 2026-03-03 00:21:21 +0100 | <geekosaur> | we seem to be opposites there, since one of my problems is sensory hypersensitivity and sunlight even with 2 layers of dark glasses is sometimes too much… |
| 2026-03-03 00:21:45 +0100 | <geekosaur> | (in fact it seems to be general nervous system overstimulation/overactivity) |
| 2026-03-03 00:23:43 +0100 | <liskin> | I struggle in dark noisy clubs but give me sunny smelly nature all day all year :-) |
| 2026-03-03 00:25:23 +0100 | tremon | (~tremon@83.80.159.219) (Quit: getting boxed in) |
| 2026-03-03 00:35:03 +0100 | stackdroid18 | (~stackdroi@user/stackdroid) stackdroid |
| 2026-03-03 00:37:48 +0100 | <geekosaur> | I like nature but let's make it a forest or at least woods please ☺ |
| 2026-03-03 00:58:21 +0100 | <liskin> | :-) |
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| 2026-03-03 09:38:05 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Solid> liskin: absolutely no objections (and I think geekosaur should probably do the same for countless years of unpaid work!) |
| 2026-03-03 09:39:12 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Solid> tbh, I think that using the money (in whatever way) is much more in line with the goal of "support the xmonad maintainers" that I would imagine most people had in mind when they donated, than to let it sit on the opencollective account not doing anything |
| 2026-03-03 10:24:02 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Solid> Slightly related: what do we think about a release on the weekend? Seems like enough functionality has accrued since the last one, and this may or may not be a good opportunity to open an invoice |
| 2026-03-03 10:51:15 +0100 | <liskin> | Not many thoughts about it, just a general "the release procedure is still too much friction and maybe that's why we don't release more often" feeling :-) |
| 2026-03-03 10:53:59 +0100 | <liskin> | People these days have LLMs write release notes for them and the whole release is a single click... (and it does fail quite often lol so the release notification emails from GitHub are often empty or malformed, but it's still valuable to observe what people do on the extreme side of the spectrum) |
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| 2026-03-03 16:34:00 +0100 | <geekosaur> | I've kind of gotten used to "rolling release from git" tbh ☺ |
| 2026-03-03 16:41:24 +0100 | <geekosaur> | (also I was hoping to get some fixes in for `DebugWindow` and `ManageDebug` but I have no idea when I'll get to them) |
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