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| 2026-03-04 19:17:26 +0100 | ChubaDuba | (~ChubaDuba@46.147.214.96) ChubaDuba |
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| 2026-03-04 19:42:15 +0100 | <liskin> | I suspect some users still rely on releases because of the implied stability, and many distro packages definitely do |
| 2026-03-04 19:42:27 +0100 | <liskin> | that being said I have no idea what our userbase looks like these days |
| 2026-03-04 19:43:23 +0100 | <liskin> | many workplaces are Mac-only these days, plus people switching to Wayland, plus the general war against general computing… |
| 2026-03-04 19:52:46 +0100 | <geekosaur> | probably what it's always looked like, given that we're a tiny niche within a niche within a niche ☺ |
| 2026-03-04 19:53:01 +0100 | <geekosaur> | "workplaces" probably don't figure into any of the niches |
| 2026-03-04 19:53:52 +0100 | <geekosaur> | (to the extent they care about any of it, kiosk mode is likely the closest they get) |
| 2026-03-04 19:54:38 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <nogonosa> For what it's worth, I switched back from Wayland to Xorg mostly because there's no real alternative to Xmonad. I tried with a couple of window managers but even after days of writing custom code I couldn't get to the same level of comfort I have here. When I started, I was able to add a custom layout with very little effort, even if Ihad 0 experience with Haskell before |
| 2026-03-04 19:56:50 +0100 | <geekosaur> | also the fact that we don't provide global default configurations that IT can manage with automated tooling, xmonad would be off the table anyway. they don't want any form of user configuration |
| 2026-03-04 19:57:22 +0100 | <geekosaur> | whereas for xmonad and dwm at least, per-user confguration's one of the main points |
| 2026-03-04 19:59:00 +0100 | <liskin> | I'm fairly sure we used to have a considerable number of users in big tech like Google and Meta |
| 2026-03-04 19:59:39 +0100 | <geekosaur> | google at least is cool with users doing their own thing, or used to be. many large companies emphatically are not |
| 2026-03-04 19:59:48 +0100 | <liskin> | Chrome/Chromium still has code that detects xmonad and switches to override redirect for moving tabs between windows |
| 2026-03-04 20:00:05 +0100 | <liskin> | and I don't think that code would be there if Googlers weren't affected personally |
| 2026-03-04 20:00:08 +0100 | <geekosaur> | there was a mailing list query some years ago from someone affiliated with one of them asking about how to lock down local configuration and use a fixed global configuration |
| 2026-03-04 20:01:32 +0100 | <geekosaur> | google and meta in particular were somewhat famous for allowing their devs to do more or less whatever they wanted — very unlike many large companies |
| 2026-03-04 20:01:52 +0100 | <geekosaur> | (then google at least started tightening things down and a lot of people I know bailed) |
| 2026-03-04 20:02:16 +0100 | stackdroid18 | (~stackdroi@user/stackdroid) stackdroid |
| 2026-03-04 20:03:36 +0100 | <geekosaur> | and, well, look at Go. the current google mindset is lots of replaceable cogs using a simple language with a tightly controlled ecosystem to crank out a lot of crap code |
| 2026-03-04 20:04:02 +0100 | <liskin> | yeah, but it's kinda understandable - letting people "npx whatever" is a ticking time bomb these days |
| 2026-03-04 20:04:09 +0100 | <geekosaur> | current google is not the laissez-faire old one |
| 2026-03-04 20:04:41 +0100 | <liskin> | and with github being flooded with AI slop the old heuristic of open-source = good/trusted no longer applies |
| 2026-03-04 20:14:58 +0100 | ChubaDuba | (~ChubaDuba@46.147.214.96) ChubaDuba |
| 2026-03-04 20:30:44 +0100 | <fizzie> | There's a Google-internal "xmonad" mailing list with membership in O(hundreds). Though that count includes also people who've left, and (I'm ashamed to say) I'm also a false positive on that list, having switched to Sway. :/ |
| 2026-03-04 20:56:08 +0100 | Digitteknohippie | Digit |
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| 2026-03-04 21:29:28 +0100 | dxld | (a6d27c8ee6@2a03:6000:1812:100::52) dxld |