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| 2025-11-07 22:43:54 +0100 | OpenSource | (~OpenSourc@user/OpenSource) (Quit: Leaving) |
| 2025-11-07 22:06:01 +0100 | hightower4 | (~hightower@cpe-94-253-239-158.st.cable.xnet.hr) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) |
| 2025-11-07 22:03:19 +0100 | hightower3 | (~hightower@cpe-94-253-237-35.st.cable.xnet.hr) hightower2 |
| 2025-11-07 21:00:38 +0100 | yauhsien | (~Yau-Hsien@118-168-140-77.dynamic-ip.hinet.net) yauhsien |
| 2025-11-07 19:33:19 +0100 | hightower3 | (~hightower@dh207-112-73.xnet.hr) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) |
| 2025-11-07 19:30:21 +0100 | hightower4 | (~hightower@cpe-94-253-239-158.st.cable.xnet.hr) hightower2 |
| 2025-11-07 19:23:44 +0100 | <geekosaur> | (different things give me headaches. If I'm lucky. More likely my brain just overloads and starts dropping stuff on the floor) |
| 2025-11-07 19:23:14 +0100 | <geekosaur> | but my head isn't yours |
| 2025-11-07 19:23:07 +0100 | <geekosaur> | I've found the picom in 25.04 pretty decent |
| 2025-11-07 19:14:35 +0100 | <liskin> | Maybe I should give it a try. Compton/picom gives me headaches |
| 2025-11-07 19:13:59 +0100 | <liskin> | Not even exaggerating - it's 3 common header/c files and 3 binaries c files. Quite possibly less code than early xmonad core |
| 2025-11-07 19:10:41 +0100 | <liskin> | So yeah Xwayland plus wlroots plus a tiny little bit of glue |
| 2025-11-07 19:10:09 +0100 | <liskin> | a rootful Xwayland server." |
| 2025-11-07 19:10:07 +0100 | <liskin> | a stub compositor which provides just enough Wayland capabilities to host |
| 2025-11-07 19:10:05 +0100 | <liskin> | "It is essentially |
| 2025-11-07 19:09:44 +0100 | <liskin> | https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayback/wayback |
| 2025-11-07 19:07:18 +0100 | <liskin> | I believe it uses Xwayland under the hood |
| 2025-11-07 19:07:10 +0100 | <liskin> | wayback is the one I mentioned |
| 2025-11-07 18:54:09 +0100 | Solitary | (~Solitary@user/solitary) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2025-11-07 18:49:37 +0100 | xjcj | (~xjcj@dslb-002-205-170-105.002.205.pools.vodafone-ip.de) (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) |
| 2025-11-07 18:41:44 +0100 | xjcj | (~xjcj@dslb-002-205-170-105.002.205.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 2025-11-07 18:32:41 +0100 | <OpenSource> | I figured I'll join xmonad channel here as well instead of switching windows |
| 2025-11-07 18:32:24 +0100 | <OpenSource> | Np. I had to get on IRC to do some research on this matter. I'm asking arch and debian folks about x11 phasing out |
| 2025-11-07 18:29:32 +0100 | <geekosaur> | I'm on both sides because I run the bridge (here and for a number of other Haskell-related channels/rooms) and I want to be able to monitor easily. but I'm a chanop irc-side so I mostly stick to this side |
| 2025-11-07 18:28:40 +0100 | <geekosaur> | btw you don't need to be on the irc side of the bridge |
| 2025-11-07 18:20:36 +0100 | <geekosaur> | Xwayland won't fly, I'm pretty sure. wayland-x11 is the one liskin mentioned that should be able to do it; as I said, I want to test it at some point |
| 2025-11-07 18:18:03 +0100 | <OpenSource> | geekosaur, It's me Nexilva from Matrix. Have you triex Xwayland or wayland-x11 to run Xmonad? Is that a possibility? |
| 2025-11-07 18:17:30 +0100 | OpenSource | (~OpenSourc@user/OpenSource) OpenSource |
| 2025-11-07 18:14:13 +0100 | xjcj | (~xjcj@dslb-002-205-170-105.002.205.pools.vodafone-ip.de) (Client Quit) |
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| 2025-11-07 17:58:55 +0100 | xjcj | (~xjcj@dslb-002-205-170-105.002.205.pools.vodafone-ip.de) (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) |
| 2025-11-07 17:58:37 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Nexilva> But yeah, applications lacking X11 support is going to cause a problem |
| 2025-11-07 17:58:12 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Nexilva> Hopefully by then some new distros that support X11 will come out. Who knows. |
| 2025-11-07 17:57:07 +0100 | <geekosaur> | oh, the bigger problem is mroe and more things are going to remove X11 support (gnome already has, which is why ubuntu 25.10 is problematic for me because that version lands then) |
| 2025-11-07 17:54:39 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Nexilva> https://wayland.freedesktop.org/docs/html/ch05.html currently reading up on this |
| 2025-11-07 17:54:01 +0100 | xjcj | (~xjcj@dslb-002-205-170-105.002.205.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 2025-11-07 17:52:04 +0100 | <geekosaur> | since ubuntu gives me a wayland session (that I'm not logged into) I may test liskin's thing at some point |
| 2025-11-07 17:51:06 +0100 | xjcj | (~xjcj@dslb-002-205-170-105.002.205.pools.vodafone-ip.de) (Client Quit) |
| 2025-11-07 17:49:37 +0100 | <geekosaur> | with the potential downside of having to hack things up to not autostart wayland versions of e.g. notification daemons |
| 2025-11-07 17:49:13 +0100 | <geekosaur> | oh, if you checked backscroll liskin mentioned a turbocharged X11-under-wayland that allows X11 window managers to work |
| 2025-11-07 17:48:31 +0100 | <geekosaur> | (and not only for xmonad; there are still a number of things Wayland doesn't handle) |
| 2025-11-07 17:48:21 +0100 | xjcj | (~xjcj@dslb-002-205-170-105.002.205.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
| 2025-11-07 17:47:52 +0100 | xjcj | (~xjcj@dslb-002-205-170-105.002.205.pools.vodafone-ip.de) (Quit: Client closed) |
| 2025-11-07 17:46:08 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Nexilva> That's also what I'm thinking. |
| 2025-11-07 17:45:49 +0100 | <geekosaur> | yes, but if I have to reinstall anyway, I figure I might want to reinstall to something more likely to retain X11 support |
| 2025-11-07 17:45:13 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Nexilva> You can always reinstall with 24.04 LTS. Is that an option for you? |
| 2025-11-07 17:44:45 +0100 | <geekosaur> | and upgrading to a non-LTS version of ubuntu turns out to have been a major mistake; I should have stuck with the LTS. but at the time I don't think we knew the rug was going to be pulled so quickly |
| 2025-11-07 17:43:20 +0100 | <geekosaur> | right, that's why I'm not upgrading to it |
| 2025-11-07 17:42:09 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Nexilva> I use KDE and KDE provides on Kubuntu, X11 session, but not by default, on 25.10 and assumingly next year on 26.04 |