| 2023-07-29 00:53:46 +0000 | Natch | (~natch@c-9e07225c.038-60-73746f7.bbcust.telenor.se) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) |
| 2023-07-29 00:57:19 +0000 | Natch | (~natch@c-9e07225c.038-60-73746f7.bbcust.telenor.se) |
| 2023-07-29 01:36:36 +0000 | <galactic_starfis> | Curious, what's the word on Wayland progress? Anything new since the GH post? |
| 2023-07-29 02:16:41 +0000 | td_ | (~td@i53870935.versanet.de) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) |
| 2023-07-29 02:18:47 +0000 | td_ | (~td@i5387090D.versanet.de) |
| 2023-07-29 02:33:48 +0000 | <galactic_starfis> | On that note... |
| 2023-07-29 02:34:17 +0000 | <galactic_starfis> | Perhaps we could opt for setting a bounty with the sponsor money? Try and attract some attention... |
| 2023-07-29 02:36:31 +0000 | <Hmmf> | I thought there was no interest in a direct port. There is waymonad but the repo is rather calm. |
| 2023-07-29 02:42:42 +0000 | terrorjack | (~terrorjac@2a01:4f8:c17:87f8::) (Quit: The Lounge - https://thelounge.chat) |
| 2023-07-29 02:45:23 +0000 | terrorjack | (~terrorjac@2a01:4f8:c17:87f8::) |
| 2023-07-29 02:55:53 +0000 | ft | (~ft@p3e9bc61e.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) |
| 2023-07-29 02:57:28 +0000 | ft | (~ft@p4fc2a59a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 2023-07-29 03:15:33 +0000 | <zawaken> | Yeah he's working on an eDSL or something, https://github.com/Plutonomicon/plutarch-core |
| 2023-07-29 03:15:48 +0000 | <zawaken> | before continuing work on waymonad |
| 2023-07-29 03:17:38 +0000 | mvk | (~mvk@2607:fea8:5c9a:a600::1c6d) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
| 2023-07-29 03:18:33 +0000 | <zawaken> | Las has a matrix room where updates are posted every now and then, but it hasn't been very active |
| 2023-07-29 03:19:35 +0000 | <absta[m]> | Maybe it is the fastest for someone to learn Rust and create a xmonad analog as compositor |
| 2023-07-29 03:54:50 +0000 | Hmmf | (~Hmmf@2a01cb080e909300a88b4e9a24033aff.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr) (Quit: Client closed) |
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| 2023-07-29 09:46:10 +0000 | mc47 | (~mc47@xmonad/TheMC47) |
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| 2023-07-29 14:01:49 +0000 | <liskin> | I think the biggest blocker on our side is that someone would need to do the managing/mentoring/paperwork and nobody got capacity/skills to do that. |
| 2023-07-29 14:02:07 +0000 | liskin[m] | (~liskinmat@2001:470:69fc:105::768) |
| 2023-07-29 14:02:21 +0000 | unclechu | (~unclechu@2001:470:69fc:105::354) |
| 2023-07-29 14:03:19 +0000 | <liskin> | When I was setting up this whole Github sponsors thing I forgot to account for the (in retrospect obviously most likely) outcome that I'd need to get a day job anyway and that it'll burn me out completely. :-( |
| 2023-07-29 14:04:55 +0000 | <liskin> | Are there any reasonably good Rust libs/bindings to Wayland stuff? Like wlroots? |
| 2023-07-29 14:05:09 +0000 | <liskin> | Last time I checked it looked a bit sad. |
| 2023-07-29 14:06:37 +0000 | <liskin> | (I know a bit of Rust so if I get fired I might as well play with it a bit... But then maybe I should just pack my stuff onto a touring bicycle and leave civilization for a while instead. :-)) |
| 2023-07-29 14:29:02 +0000 | <zawaken> | from my limited research, it seems Smithay on github might be something, but from a waycooler blog post from 2019, the creator of wlroots-rs and waycooler writes Smithay is very incomplete, but ofc it could have gotten a ton better in 4 years |
| 2023-07-29 14:29:22 +0000 | <zawaken> | waycooler is archived though :/ |
| 2023-07-29 15:59:38 +0000 | taman | (~znc1@2a00:1098:82:30::94) |
| 2023-07-29 16:05:36 +0000 | <taman> | After changing the height of my xmobar, I see it take effect in xmobar. But not in xmonad, which ignores it. If I open a terminal, most of xmobar is hidden under the terminal. How do I fix this, please? |
| 2023-07-29 16:07:49 +0000 | <vrs> | e |
| 2023-07-29 16:07:56 +0000 | <vrs> | restarting xmonad should do it |
| 2023-07-29 16:08:26 +0000 | <vrs> | (usually mod-q) |
| 2023-07-29 16:09:55 +0000 | <taman> | vrs: unfortunately it did not |
| 2023-07-29 16:13:58 +0000 | <vrs> | mod-shift-space then? |
| 2023-07-29 16:17:17 +0000 | <taman> | Nothing happens. I can restart by restarting the X server, it doesn't change. |
| 2023-07-29 16:18:28 +0000 | <vrs> | do you have static gaps configured in your layout? |
| 2023-07-29 16:21:49 +0000 | liskin[m] | (~liskinmat@2001:470:69fc:105::768) (Quit: You have been kicked for being idle) |
| 2023-07-29 16:21:49 +0000 | unclechu | (~unclechu@2001:470:69fc:105::354) (Quit: You have been kicked for being idle) |
| 2023-07-29 16:22:38 +0000 | <taman> | I have no idea :) How do I tell? |
| 2023-07-29 16:22:54 +0000 | liskin[m] | (~liskinmat@2001:470:69fc:105::768) |
| 2023-07-29 16:23:11 +0000 | unclechu | (~unclechu@2001:470:69fc:105::354) |
| 2023-07-29 16:24:57 +0000 | <taman> | I can paste my xmonad.hs ? |
| 2023-07-29 16:30:14 +0000 | <vrs> | use a pastebin but yes |
| 2023-07-29 16:34:36 +0000 | <taman> | Here you go, <https://paste.debian.net/1287316/> |
| 2023-07-29 16:34:44 +0000 | <taman> | thanks for looking at this |
| 2023-07-29 16:45:59 +0000 | <vrs> | yeah that's a static layout, the easy fix is to adjust the gap in your gaps layout from (U,15) to whatever you need now |
| 2023-07-29 16:48:13 +0000 | <taman> | Thanks, I'll try it... |
| 2023-07-29 16:49:05 +0000 | <vrs> | the flexible way is to use avoidStruts from X.M.ManageDocks (https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmonad-contrib-0.17.1/docs/XMonad-Hooks-ManageDocks.html) |
| 2023-07-29 16:51:42 +0000 | <taman> | No change :( I tried 'U, 50' and I've recompiled, which reported success, then 'xmonad --restart', but it's just the same. |
| 2023-07-29 16:52:00 +0000 | <taman> | I'll look at that link, thanks |
| 2023-07-29 16:52:02 +0000 | <geekosaur> | there you will need mod-shift-space because the type of your layout didn'[t change |
| 2023-07-29 16:52:23 +0000 | <taman> | oh! Now it works! |
| 2023-07-29 16:52:26 +0000 | <geekosaur> | and xmonad can't tell which things came from xmonad.hs and which from keybindings like mod-h etc. |
| 2023-07-29 16:52:56 +0000 | <taman> | Thanks, that's got me much further than I was! |
| 2023-07-29 16:53:28 +0000 | <taman> | Thanks vrs, geekosaur |
| 2023-07-29 16:54:43 +0000 | <vrs> | hth |
| 2023-07-29 18:13:00 +0000 | mc47 | (~mc47@xmonad/TheMC47) |
| 2023-07-29 18:35:06 +0000 | <galactic_starfis> | <absta[m]> "Maybe it is the fastest for..." <- At that rate, iirc there's already plenty of rust Wayland WMs out there... The appeal of XMonad for me is the Haskell... |
| 2023-07-29 19:52:14 +0000 | hightower2 | (~hightower@141-136-166-50.dsl.iskon.hr) |
| 2023-07-29 20:19:52 +0000 | mc47 | (~mc47@xmonad/TheMC47) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2023-07-29 20:22:54 +0000 | <zawaken> | I think the only issue is that none of those are anywhere near as good as XMonad, I haven't tested most of them fully, but quite a few of them use the server/ctl type of configuration, maybe QTile could be something, as it supports wayland. |
| 2023-07-29 20:23:14 +0000 | <zawaken> | I might be a bit biased though |
| 2023-07-29 20:24:57 +0000 | <MrElendig> | qtile is close in that its also basically "write your own window manager" type of configuration |
| 2023-07-29 20:25:22 +0000 | <zawaken> | Yeah, I really dig that type of configuration |
| 2023-07-29 22:18:46 +0000 | <absta[m]> | galactic_starfish: one can make it call Haskell for window management. |
| 2023-07-29 22:20:05 +0000 | <geekosaur> | that's what waymonad tries to do with wlroots |
| 2023-07-29 22:20:52 +0000 | <absta[m]> | Hmm, does it? I thought they tried to write lots of compositor logic in rust as well. |
| 2023-07-29 22:21:35 +0000 | <geekosaur> | qtile seems like it'd be a poor choice for that because I'd expect it to be C++ (Qt) and binding C++ means dumbing it down to C (binding C++ directly is a recipe for madness and nonportability) |
| 2023-07-29 22:22:53 +0000 | <geekosaur> | wlroots is C. wlroots-rs was an attempted rewrite in rust iirc |
| 2023-07-29 22:23:21 +0000 | <absta[m]> | I wrote lots of typos duh |
| 2023-07-29 22:24:24 +0000 | <absta[m]> | I meant that waymonad looked like writing entire compositor server in Haskell. |
| 2023-07-29 22:24:30 +0000 | <geekosaur> | one thing about waymonad is it bundled an old wlroots and newer ones are significantly more stable |
| 2023-07-29 22:24:59 +0000 | <absta[m]> | I agree that qtile would be a poor choice. |
| 2023-07-29 22:25:38 +0000 | <absta[m]> | Gotta check how much logic one have to write with wlroots, hmm |
| 2023-07-29 22:26:00 +0000 | <geekosaur> | quite a lot; wlroots is quite minimal |
| 2023-07-29 22:27:27 +0000 | <absta[m]> | You mean one has to write lots of logic on top of wlroots right |
| 2023-07-29 22:28:02 +0000 | <geekosaur> | the Wayland way is that the compositor is the display server; wlroots is a minimal display server equivalent to an X11 display driver with compositing support, and you have to write everything that goes above it |
| 2023-07-29 22:30:01 +0000 | <absta[m]> | Yea, so I meant writing most of the logic in rust and calling haskell for window management. |
| 2023-07-29 22:30:34 +0000 | <geekosaur> | which dumps you back into rust not having done so well with that either |
| 2023-07-29 22:31:00 +0000 | <geekosaur> | whereas wlroots use is expanding and it's still worth looking into newer versions of it |
| 2023-07-29 22:32:51 +0000 | <absta[m]> | Hmm gotta see. |
| 2023-07-29 22:37:22 +0000 | <geekosaur> | may need a fair amount of work since APIs may have changed |
| 2023-07-29 22:37:53 +0000 | <geekosaur> | but waymonad's biggest problem was stability of the ancient wlroots it used |
| 2023-07-29 22:39:34 +0000 | <geekosaur> | hm, right, that's why I never poked at it. requires nix to build and this little laptop is too small for nix's disk usage |
| 2023-07-29 22:39:56 +0000 | <geekosaur> | maybe when the new laptop comes in |
| 2023-07-29 22:43:16 +0000 | <absta[m]> | Woah look at this: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wlroots/wlroots/-/tree/master/tinywl |
| 2023-07-29 22:43:38 +0000 | <absta[m]> | So you can make minimal compositor in 1000 lines in C |
| 2023-07-29 23:17:11 +0000 | <zawaken> | isn't qtile python? |
| 2023-07-29 23:17:38 +0000 | <zawaken> | pretty sure most if not all of it is python, but I guess there might be other things in the background though |