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2023-07-26 13:23:38 +0000 <Guest19> hey. what is the right way to paste code here, if I'd like to ask something?
2023-07-26 13:23:53 +0000liskin[m](~liskinmat@2001:470:69fc:105::768)
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2023-07-26 13:25:09 +0000 <geekosaur> @where paste
2023-07-26 13:25:09 +0000 <lambdabot> Help us help you: please paste full code, input and/or output at e.g. https://paste.tomsmeding.com
2023-07-26 13:25:43 +0000 <Guest19> thanks!
2023-07-26 13:58:53 +0000 <Guest19> can someone tell, what is the proper way to add image decoration to my term windows? snippets taken from docs page, but I already have layout config, how to combine them? sorry, not familliaar with haskell, just enjoying xmonad. https://paste.tomsmeding.com/1uJkhDEP
2023-07-26 14:04:29 +0000 <geekosaur> https://paste.tomsmeding.com/uxZYHWKz
2023-07-26 14:05:37 +0000 <Guest19> sweet! nice and easy :)
2023-07-26 14:06:23 +0000 <Guest19> am I able to setup it like set my own colors, icons, and padding?
2023-07-26 14:11:52 +0000 <geekosaur> yes, by modifying `defaultThemeWithImageButtons`. but it's somewhat hairy
2023-07-26 14:12:37 +0000 <geekosaur> in particular `Decoration`'s idea of an icon is monochrome/2-color bitmaps expressed as lists of `Bool`
2023-07-26 14:12:39 +0000 <Guest19> ya, thanks, found this way
2023-07-26 14:12:49 +0000 <geekosaur> can't use pixmaps etc.
2023-07-26 14:13:35 +0000 <Guest19> wanted to make something like osx terminal, pretty hard
2023-07-26 14:18:30 +0000 <geekosaur> that is probably much easier to do by writing something based on Gtk's VTE; xmonad is not exactly intended to make pretty GUIs
2023-07-26 14:21:18 +0000 <Guest19> thank you so much for the direction! think I rather stay on my minimal xmonad config
2023-07-26 14:48:27 +0000 <Guest19> ImageButtonDecoration get it's own shaping separately from window it belongs to (using compositors), so it's pretty hard to setup something similar to osx windows, for example. maybe only if none of them meant to be rounded either
2023-07-26 14:57:41 +0000 <geekosaur> right, there's no way to control that and the decoration windows are independent
2023-07-26 14:58:04 +0000 <geekosaur> with a slow enough machine or display driver (or compositor) you can see the decoration moving independently from the window
2023-07-26 15:01:42 +0000 <Guest19> I see, thanks for help!
2023-07-26 15:04:42 +0000 <geekosaur> which is another reason you really need to write a custom terminal emulator for this, you cna't e.g. hook Decoration operations into the emulator
2023-07-26 15:07:29 +0000 <Guest19> yea, I thought it more easier in some way, but fine, not using mouse at all
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2023-07-26 15:44:24 +0000 <absta[m]> Hello. While adjusting picom settings, I found that xmonad borders have disappeared. Can it be caused by picom shadow? Is there some known solutions to this problem? Thank you!
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2023-07-26 16:06:26 +0000 <geekosaur> I'm not seeing any problems with the version of picom in ubuntu 22.04
2023-07-26 16:06:57 +0000 <geekosaur> but yes, I'd imagine certain kinds of shadows would fuzz the window border enough for it to be undetectable
2023-07-26 16:49:26 +0000 <ChaoticMist[m]> <absta[m]> "Hello. While adjusting picom..." <- Do share your picom config, because I am not experiencing that issue at all
2023-07-26 16:51:47 +0000 <ChaoticMist[m]> Since it has been two years, does anyone know the status of the ~ConditionalLayoutModifier~ PR? Or is it still left until Liskin comes back from his vacation?
2023-07-26 17:04:24 +0000 <xmonadtrack> xmonad Tony Zorman * v0.17.2-76-g3c80296: TUTORIAL: Mention the need for a wallpaper (4 days ago, 1 file, 5+ 0-) https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad/commit/3c80296733da
2023-07-26 17:04:26 +0000 <xmonadtrack> xmonad Tony Zorman * v0.17.2-77-g431bb4b: TUTORIAL: Add a subsection about the startupHook (4 days ago, 1 file, 44+ 11-) https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad/commit/431bb4b57ce3
2023-07-26 17:04:34 +0000 <xmonadtrack> xmonad Tony Zorman {GitHub} * v0.17.2-78-gefffa89: Merge pull request #463 from slotThe/tut/bits (3 minutes ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad/commit/efffa8946ac6
2023-07-26 17:12:09 +0000 <geekosaur> they did say they were playing with the options; I suspect they tried some of the (non-default) blur options
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2023-07-26 22:13:59 +0000 <absta[m]> Let me post the options when I get to my computer.
2023-07-26 22:14:12 +0000 <absta[m]> Hmm, what is blur?
2023-07-26 22:25:20 +0000 <geekosaur> I guess that means you weren't playing with it? search for it in the manpage
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2023-07-26 22:54:10 +0000 <ChaoticMist[m]> <absta[m]> "Hmm, what is blur?" <- as in ~--blur-method~, ~blur-background~ and etc.
2023-07-26 22:54:39 +0000 <absta[m]> I see, I am not using one. I suspect that shadow is overwriting the border
2023-07-26 22:55:56 +0000 <ChaoticMist[m]> absta[m]: Did you try disabling them and running picom? That could be the easiest way to find out
2023-07-26 22:56:16 +0000 <absta[m]> Let me try that
2023-07-26 23:36:10 +0000 <liskin> ChaoticMist[m]: I'm not coming back from my "vacation" any time soon I'm afraid
2023-07-26 23:37:56 +0000 <liskin> There was a period of time when I would have been able to review the PR provided someone took my simpler and more robust design and polished it, but these days I can't promise even that :-(
2023-07-26 23:38:27 +0000 <liskin> Still... it would be nice if someone did. It's not exactly rocket science.
2023-07-26 23:38:32 +0000 <ChaoticMist[m]> liskin: WTF is going on? Everything alright?
2023-07-26 23:39:03 +0000 <ChaoticMist[m]> BTW, I was just checking the status of the PR. Nothing serious tbh, so don't worry about it!
2023-07-26 23:39:42 +0000 <liskin> Just a very bad burnout, possibly depression.
2023-07-26 23:40:30 +0000 <ChaoticMist[m]> liskin: How long has this been going on for? And do you know when it started happening?
2023-07-26 23:40:47 +0000 <ChaoticMist[m]> Also, have you talked to someone about it?
2023-07-26 23:40:50 +0000 <liskin> Been a year I guess, maybe two.
2023-07-26 23:41:19 +0000 <liskin> You'd expect to have sorted it out via doctors by now but I'm doing something wrong I guess
2023-07-26 23:41:51 +0000 <ChaoticMist[m]> liskin: I did not, because I know people who have gone for way longer than that without getting their depression cured.
2023-07-26 23:42:53 +0000 <liskin> They just keep telling me I need to wait for a diagnosis and that takes ages even with a private health insurance. If I was relying on the NHS it'd be literally years. Like... 5
2023-07-26 23:42:58 +0000 <ChaoticMist[m]> liskin: some people get addicted to the depressive state, other's avoid the answers they know would solve the issue
2023-07-26 23:43:19 +0000 <geekosaur> and even so only about a third of people respond to medication
2023-07-26 23:43:34 +0000 <ChaoticMist[m]> Also, ending it is not an answer. That's just evading the issue. So please people, don't do something dumb like that.
2023-07-26 23:43:51 +0000 <liskin> Yeah, fun times still ahead.
2023-07-26 23:44:06 +0000 <liskin> But nowhere near ending it.
2023-07-26 23:44:10 +0000 <ChaoticMist[m]> geekosaur: I think it's even less than that tbh
2023-07-26 23:44:16 +0000 <ChaoticMist[m]> liskin: Good!
2023-07-26 23:44:18 +0000 <geekosaur> mine never expressed that way. I just withdrew into myself and couldn't do much of anything
2023-07-26 23:45:38 +0000 <absta[m]> Honestly burnout is normal
2023-07-26 23:45:46 +0000 <geekosaur> (but mine was side effect, really. being treated for the actual problem now, not perfectly but the depression's gone)
2023-07-26 23:45:47 +0000 <liskin> If it was that bad there'd be better options I'm sure. I can still quit the job, pack my stuff and go home and let an actual functioning EU healthcare system take care of me.
2023-07-26 23:46:02 +0000 <ChaoticMist[m]> (not bragging or something.. so do not take it the wrong way) I personally just "deleted" my older self and I find myself oftentimes not recalling older memories. So do not try that method
2023-07-26 23:46:41 +0000 <liskin> I'd love to delete my current self, if anything :-)
2023-07-26 23:46:48 +0000 <ChaoticMist[m]> liskin: Do you feel that the job is causing you depression?
2023-07-26 23:46:58 +0000 <ChaoticMist[m]> liskin: You'll forget to experience emotions too
2023-07-26 23:47:07 +0000 <liskin> ChaoticMist[m]: possibly
2023-07-26 23:47:44 +0000 <ChaoticMist[m]> liskin: Why not just quit? You don't have an infinite lifespan to continue with this shit..
2023-07-26 23:48:12 +0000 <liskin> ChaoticMist[m]: yeah that's a good question...
2023-07-26 23:48:34 +0000 <ChaoticMist[m]> Are you afraid of rewarding your own self?
2023-07-26 23:48:37 +0000 <liskin> Mainly because last time I looked for a job in here everything was a bit shit
2023-07-26 23:48:41 +0000 <ChaoticMist[m]> Because no one else will.
2023-07-26 23:49:05 +0000 <absta[m]> I've seen many people going burnout who are healthy otherwise, it could be a sign of being overworked imo
2023-07-26 23:49:15 +0000 <ChaoticMist[m]> liskin: Who gives a fuck? If you feel bad, fuck it. No matter what kind of job it is..
2023-07-26 23:49:38 +0000 <absta[m]> So I believe you do need to see which case it is
2023-07-26 23:49:41 +0000 <liskin> And also the health insurance is tied to it.
2023-07-26 23:49:50 +0000 <absta[m]> Reality is harsh.
2023-07-26 23:50:24 +0000 <ChaoticMist[m]> absta[m]: Personally, if a work place allows people to get overworked then I am not participating in it.
2023-07-26 23:50:38 +0000 <ChaoticMist[m]> liskin: Well, quit that too and just travel like you said you would?
2023-07-26 23:51:06 +0000 <liskin> (not US, so it's not critical, but I wanted to wrap up the diagnosis stuff and that needs the insurance)
2023-07-26 23:51:19 +0000 <ChaoticMist[m]> You won't have that ability forever..
2023-07-26 23:51:20 +0000 <absta[m]> True, but ehh.. those workplaces are just too common.
2023-07-26 23:51:20 +0000 <absta[m]> Hmmm
2023-07-26 23:51:20 +0000 <ChaoticMist[m]> absta[m]: Does not mean we should allow ourselves to be treated that way. If they are common then it means we enabled them.
2023-07-26 23:51:28 +0000 <ChaoticMist[m]> liskin: Do you feel like it's helping or just a waste of time?
2023-07-26 23:52:02 +0000 <liskin> ChaoticMist[m]: my wife's academic career would get in trouble if we moved, so it's a last resort
2023-07-26 23:52:29 +0000 <liskin> ChaoticMist[m]: so far waste of time but that's probably expected
2023-07-26 23:52:34 +0000 <ChaoticMist[m]> liskin: Do you think your wife would accept you travelling without her?
2023-07-26 23:52:36 +0000 <absta[m]> ChaoticMist[m]: Who are "we" though? Society is not monolithic, lots of people just follow the flow.
2023-07-26 23:52:40 +0000 <liskin> Just waiting and waiting
2023-07-26 23:52:51 +0000 <liskin> ChaoticMist[m]: I don't want to
2023-07-26 23:52:53 +0000 <ChaoticMist[m]> You can always take a break instead of moving
2023-07-26 23:52:58 +0000 <geekosaur> and I'm not sure it would help, you were having problems before you moved there
2023-07-26 23:53:17 +0000 <liskin> Were I?
2023-07-26 23:53:28 +0000 <geekosaur> yes
2023-07-26 23:53:34 +0000 <ChaoticMist[m]> geekosaur: Obviously
2023-07-26 23:53:45 +0000 <ChaoticMist[m]> Since that's just a form of escape
2023-07-26 23:53:47 +0000 <liskin> I mean kind of, maybe, but how the hell do you know? :-D
2023-07-26 23:54:54 +0000 <geekosaur> should I go back through logs? this is not the first time you've discussed your problems here
2023-07-26 23:54:54 +0000 <ChaoticMist[m]> Out of curiosity, did you experience any form of depressive thoughts when you were typing with us?
2023-07-26 23:55:16 +0000 <liskin> geekosaur: yeah but we moved at the end of 2019
2023-07-26 23:55:29 +0000 <ChaoticMist[m]> That's 4 years ago
2023-07-26 23:55:35 +0000 <ChaoticMist[m]> Not 2
2023-07-26 23:55:41 +0000 <liskin> So that's about a year before I got seriously involved with xmonad
2023-07-26 23:56:02 +0000 <liskin> Whatever happened before that you wouldn't be aware of
2023-07-26 23:56:34 +0000 <liskin> ChaoticMist[m]: probably not? Dunno how I'd tell.
2023-07-26 23:56:52 +0000 <ChaoticMist[m]> liskin: Exactly, so there is something that is reminding you of your depression
2023-07-26 23:56:59 +0000 <ChaoticMist[m]> Nail that down and then just avoid it?
2023-07-26 23:57:00 +0000 <geekosaur> mm, I think you have your chronology wrong because 4q 2019 was around when the revert war happened
2023-07-26 23:57:36 +0000 <geekosaur> and I'm fairly certain because I was homeless and trying to deal with my own problems and just locked up when it happened and byorgey had to bail us out