| 2023-07-21 00:04:47 +0200 | mncheckm | (~mncheck@193.224.205.254) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) |
| 2023-07-21 00:18:40 +0200 | geekosaur | (~geekosaur@xmonad/geekosaur) (Quit: Leaving) |
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| 2023-07-21 00:37:54 +0200 | Waffelo[m] | (~waffelodr@2001:470:69fc:105::3:86d0) |
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| 2023-07-21 01:25:52 +0200 | geekosaur | (~geekosaur@xmonad/geekosaur) |
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| 2023-07-21 08:16:28 +0200 | mncheck | (~mncheck@193.224.205.254) |
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| 2023-07-21 15:01:34 +0200 | hightower2 | (~hightower@213.186.17.245) |
| 2023-07-21 15:38:54 +0200 | <gar[m]> | Hi when I’m doing the resize that window gets floated . I don’t want it to happen . |
| 2023-07-21 16:01:36 +0200 | <geekosaur> | what else were you expecting a tiling window manager to do? |
| 2023-07-21 16:01:53 +0200 | liskin[m] | (~liskinmat@2001:470:69fc:105::768) |
| 2023-07-21 16:02:09 +0200 | unclechu | (~unclechu@2001:470:69fc:105::354) |
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| 2023-07-21 20:43:16 +0200 | hightower2 | (~hightower@213-202-64-66.dsl.iskon.hr) |
| 2023-07-21 21:30:07 +0200 | <u8353v[m]> | <geekosaur> "what I hope is that standardizat..." <- so any security hardening comes at the OS level? |
| 2023-07-21 21:30:07 +0200 | <u8353v[m]> | i use a reputable vpn and have gufe firewall enabled. |
| 2023-07-21 21:30:07 +0200 | <u8353v[m]> | is this enough? |
| 2023-07-21 21:32:13 +0200 | <geekosaur> | no, you need more than that, since anyone who gets unprivileged access to your system can e.g. sniff passwords in X11 |
| 2023-07-21 21:32:34 +0200 | liskin[m] | (~liskinmat@2001:470:69fc:105::768) |
| 2023-07-21 21:32:45 +0200 | <geekosaur> | there are more secure local IPC mechanisms, but X11 doesn't know how to use them |
| 2023-07-21 21:32:49 +0200 | unclechu | (~unclechu@2001:470:69fc:105::354) |
| 2023-07-21 21:33:09 +0200 | <geekosaur> | in theory someone could update X11 to do so, I guess |
| 2023-07-21 21:33:56 +0200 | <geekosaur> | but X11 itself expects only local POSIX permissions, and is still therefore weak from a security standpoint |
| 2023-07-21 21:35:07 +0200 | <geekosaur> | I don't know how much of a Wayland-style security model could be backported without breaking applications |
| 2023-07-21 21:36:39 +0200 | <geekosaur> | come to think of it, this is one reason why (crossing the streams) window management gets combined with compositing: having them separate requires greater IPC permissions between them, and if there's one way to get that them there will be others |
| 2023-07-21 21:39:40 +0200 | <geekosaur> | (I should mention here that I expect there to be conflicts between security and usability, even with GNOME-like monoliths, as time goes by.) |
| 2023-07-21 21:46:36 +0200 | yosafbridge` | (~yosafbrid@static.38.6.217.95.clients.your-server.de) |
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| 2023-07-21 21:48:13 +0200 | defjam | (~defjam@90.211.252.220) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2023-07-21 21:48:15 +0200 | Magician | (deepy@user/deepy) |
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| 2023-07-21 21:51:23 +0200 | billy93 | (~billy@c-76-131-115-3.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 2023-07-21 21:51:45 +0200 | <billy93> | hey folks, i'm trying my damnest to get playerctl to work with xmonad, i had it working before but had to reinstall |
| 2023-07-21 21:52:00 +0200 | <billy93> | playerctl play-pause just lists "No players found" - any ideas? |
| 2023-07-21 21:54:14 +0200 | PotatoGim | (sid99505@id-99505.lymington.irccloud.com) (*.net *.split) |
| 2023-07-21 21:54:14 +0200 | Solid | (~slot@xmonad/slotThe) (*.net *.split) |
| 2023-07-21 21:54:14 +0200 | wz1000 | (~zubin@static.11.113.47.78.clients.your-server.de) (*.net *.split) |
| 2023-07-21 21:54:14 +0200 | jmct | (sid160793@id-160793.tinside.irccloud.com) (*.net *.split) |
| 2023-07-21 21:54:14 +0200 | deepy | (deepy@user/deepy) (*.net *.split) |
| 2023-07-21 21:54:14 +0200 | RMSBach | (~guygastin@137.184.131.156) (*.net *.split) |
| 2023-07-21 21:54:15 +0200 | yosafbridge | (~yosafbrid@static.38.6.217.95.clients.your-server.de) (*.net *.split) |
| 2023-07-21 22:00:00 +0200 | <geekosaur> | if you had to reinstall, make sure dbus is being started |
| 2023-07-21 22:00:41 +0200 | wz1000 | (~zubin@static.11.113.47.78.clients.your-server.de) |
| 2023-07-21 22:01:02 +0200 | <geekosaur> | (use `dbus-launch` to start your X session, or configure your display manager to start dbus) |
| 2023-07-21 22:01:59 +0200 | jmct | (sid160793@id-160793.tinside.irccloud.com) |
| 2023-07-21 22:02:01 +0200 | PotatoGim | (sid99505@id-99505.lymington.irccloud.com) |
| 2023-07-21 22:02:18 +0200 | Solid | (~slot@xmonad/slotThe) |
| 2023-07-21 22:11:45 +0200 | <billy93> | geekosaur how would I do that? i just select xmonad in the login screen from the list of WMs |
| 2023-07-21 22:15:57 +0200 | <geekosaur[c]> | That would depend on how your system is set up but there is probably a `/usr/share/x sessions/xmonad.desktop` file or similar and the `Exec=` line needs to run `dbus-launch xmonad` |
| 2023-07-21 22:16:36 +0200 | <geekosaur[c]> | Uh, without a space, I'm on my phone |
| 2023-07-21 22:25:04 +0200 | <billy93> | i guess i could also just have xmonad execute dbus-launch eh |
| 2023-07-21 22:25:08 +0200 | <billy93> | maybe that would work too |
| 2023-07-21 22:27:32 +0200 | <geekosaur> | not really, xmonad and things launched from it then won't know how to connect to dbus |
| 2023-07-21 22:28:42 +0200 | <geekosaur> | so you use dbus-launch to run xmonad or use a ~/.xsession which runs `eval dbus-launch --exit-with-session --sh-syntax` |
| 2023-07-21 22:29:13 +0200 | <geekosaur> | but then you need to figure out how to make your OS run .xsession instead of something from /usr/share/xsessions |
| 2023-07-21 22:33:00 +0200 | <billy93> | er |
| 2023-07-21 22:36:12 +0200 | <geekosaur> | yes, sadly this isn't trivial |
| 2023-07-21 22:36:47 +0200 | <geekosaur> | and we don't provide OS integrations, just xmonad itself, so I don't know how to hook it into your OS with dbus support |
| 2023-07-21 23:09:42 +0200 | <billy93> | what is xsession? |
| 2023-07-21 23:10:32 +0200 | <geekosaur> | the old (pre-XDG) way of defining an X session was to put commands in ~/.xsession which are run when the X server starts |
| 2023-07-21 23:12:07 +0200 | <billy93> | i wish there was a way to automatically launch certain applications on startup and assign them to various workspaces, with some window size tweaks |
| 2023-07-21 23:15:46 +0200 | <geekosaur> | there used to be, you could use -g with old-style X11 apps. new ones don't support it and don't provide a way to do it directly |
| 2023-07-21 23:16:31 +0200 | <geekosaur> | you can however use `spawn` in a `startupHook` and then match it in `manageHook` and use `doShift` |
| 2023-07-21 23:18:10 +0200 | billy93 | (~billy@c-76-131-115-3.hsd1.co.comcast.net) (Quit: Client closed) |
| 2023-07-21 23:30:19 +0200 | <geekosaur[c]> | I… don't think they got the answers they wanted |
| 2023-07-21 23:50:16 +0200 | mncheck | (~mncheck@193.224.205.254) (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) |