| 2022-09-08 00:09:13 +0200 | <mesaoptimizer> | what's OC? |
| 2022-09-08 00:09:28 +0200 | <geekosaur> | OpenCollective |
| 2022-09-08 00:09:41 +0200 | <geekosaur> | they manage our donations |
| 2022-09-08 00:20:28 +0200 | <mesaoptimizer> | sweet |
| 2022-09-08 00:22:50 +0200 | realsun[m] | (~realsunma@2001:470:69fc:105::2:7b7a) |
| 2022-09-08 00:57:17 +0200 | sogens | (~sogens@pa49-182-80-226.pa.qld.optusnet.com.au) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2022-09-08 01:02:55 +0200 | <liskin> | Solid: I feel uncomfortable about the money accumulating so please go ahead |
| 2022-09-08 01:04:05 +0200 | <liskin> | somewhat relatedly, today I got about a dozen emails from Sumana that those training session we had early this year were finally publicly documented somewhere |
| 2022-09-08 01:05:33 +0200 | <liskin> | https://buttondown.email/Changeset/archive/maintainer-guides-spending-succession-more/ |
| 2022-09-08 01:06:11 +0200 | <geekosaur> | hm, are you actually allowed to post that publicly? |
| 2022-09-08 01:07:08 +0200 | <liskin> | I haven't configured mutt on this laptop so I just googled this now, so yes, I think I am :-) |
| 2022-09-08 01:07:45 +0200 | <liskin> | Solid: https://docs.oscollective.org/guides/deciding-on-how-to-use-your-money says we need to spend money lest people start thinking we don't need it. |
| 2022-09-08 01:08:44 +0200 | <liskin> | and I should probably read the one about burnout and career planning |
| 2022-09-08 01:09:38 +0200 | <liskin> | if only I had time to do that amid all that burning out |
| 2022-09-08 01:11:20 +0200 | <liskin> | (might be a good idea to go to MuniHac to calm down a bit…) |
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| 2022-09-08 02:49:26 +0200 | <mightybyte> | Hi, I've got an idea for a layout and would like some help in figuring out how to implement it. |
| 2022-09-08 02:50:52 +0200 | <mightybyte> | It's basically an overlapping layout where one window is always full screen in the background (for me this is usually always a terminal) and another consumes ~80% of the rest of the screen. |
| 2022-09-08 02:51:45 +0200 | <mightybyte> | Anyone know if a layout like this exists already? |
| 2022-09-08 02:51:53 +0200 | <geekosaur> | I don't think it does |
| 2022-09-08 02:52:10 +0200 | <geekosaur> | almost all layouts tile, rather than overlapping |
| 2022-09-08 02:52:44 +0200 | <mightybyte> | Yeah, I don't like to have my console windows resizing |
| 2022-09-08 02:53:24 +0200 | <mightybyte> | Floating has some commonalities here. |
| 2022-09-08 02:53:26 +0200 | <geekosaur> | but it should be fairly easy to implement |
| 2022-09-08 02:53:42 +0200 | <mightybyte> | But I saw something in the docs that said floating isn't intended for significant use. |
| 2022-09-08 02:53:58 +0200 | <geekosaur> | right, but this wouldn't be floating |
| 2022-09-08 02:54:05 +0200 | <mightybyte> | Yeah |
| 2022-09-08 02:54:31 +0200 | <mightybyte> | Any pointers about where I should go to figure out how to make something like this? I'm just coming back to XMonad after something like a 15 year hiatus. |
| 2022-09-08 02:56:22 +0200 | <geekosaur> | I would start by looking at XMonad.Layout.IM to see how to match windows to be fullscreened, other windows would take up a specified-by-ratio part of the screen |
| 2022-09-08 02:57:24 +0200 | <geekosaur> | runLayout would apply the specified Query to each window and set its rectangle based on the result |
| 2022-09-08 02:59:20 +0200 | <geekosaur> | the layout as put in the layoutHook would look something like: myLayout (Resource "alacritty") 0.8 L |
| 2022-09-08 03:01:12 +0200 | <geekosaur> | (see https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmonad-contrib-0.17.1/docs/XMonad-Util-WindowProperties.html for Resource and friends, and https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmonad-contrib-0.17.1/docs/XMonad-Actions-Navigation2D.html#t:… for L (or R, U, D) |
| 2022-09-08 03:02:33 +0200 | <geekosaur> | (you could also omit the Navigation2D and do it with Mirror and/or Reflext) |
| 2022-09-08 03:02:38 +0200 | <geekosaur> | *Reflect |
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| 2022-09-08 05:13:20 +0200 | <zeitgeist> | hello, i've just started using/configuring xmonad and i've been having a couple of issues that i need some help with |
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| 2022-09-08 12:48:20 +0200 | <Solid> | I guess the next hardest thing it to decide on a number... |
| 2022-09-08 12:53:13 +0200 | benin0 | (~benin@183.82.29.130) (Quit: The Lounge - https://thelounge.chat) |
| 2022-09-08 12:56:18 +0200 | <mesaoptimizer> | there's an extremely strange bug I've encountered, where firefox freezes whenever it throws a (native) notification |
| 2022-09-08 12:56:29 +0200 | <mesaoptimizer> | and I noticed it only after I began using xmonad |
| 2022-09-08 13:12:56 +0200 | <xmonadtrack> | xmonad-contrib Tony Zorman * v0.17.1-6-g9b6bef7e: X.D.Extending: Add links to headings (3 days ago, 1 file, 5+ 5-) https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/commit/9b6bef7e9dc0 |
| 2022-09-08 13:12:57 +0200 | <xmonadtrack> | xmonad-contrib Tony Zorman * v0.17.1-7-g9809b201: X.D.Extending: Update hooks (3 days ago, 1 file, 18+ 19-) https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/commit/9809b2013ff3 |
| 2022-09-08 13:13:02 +0200 | <xmonadtrack> | xmonad-contrib Tony Zorman * v0.17.1-8-gcedb8d7c: X.D.Extending: Rewrite keyDel (3 days ago, 1 file, 52+ 31-) https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/commit/cedb8d7c785f |
| 2022-09-08 13:13:09 +0200 | <xmonadtrack> | ... and 2 more commits |
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| 2022-09-08 13:38:38 +0200 | benin0 | (~benin@183.82.28.141) |
| 2022-09-08 14:27:00 +0200 | <liskin> | Solid: that's a hard one indeed :-/ |
| 2022-09-08 14:28:00 +0200 | <liskin> | there are all these roadmap/planning/contracting/whatever exercises Sumana's docs suggest we should be doing to get a better idea but I'd personally rather not get paid than to do most of that :-) |
| 2022-09-08 14:29:45 +0200 | <liskin> | good thing is we don't really need to account for myself, cause I don't really have time these days, and if I got fired and needed help with rent for some time it'd be so massively unfair (because the rent is insane) I wouldn't ask for it anyway |
| 2022-09-08 14:30:13 +0200 | <liskin> | so it's really just about do we have a better idea what to do with it or not |
| 2022-09-08 14:30:57 +0200 | <liskin> | there was a time about a year ago when I was eager to discuss this but now I really have no idea and no extra cycles to actually organise any reasonable spending :-/ |
| 2022-09-08 14:34:32 +0200 | jao | (~jao@cpc103048-sgyl39-2-0-cust502.18-2.cable.virginm.net) |
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| 2022-09-08 15:01:17 +0200 | <Solid> | liskin: I'm almost tempted to roll a die, but with my luck it'd be something massively unfair :/ |
| 2022-09-08 15:02:53 +0200 | <geekosaur> | mesaoptimizer, are you running a notification daemon and dbus? |
| 2022-09-08 15:03:16 +0200 | <geekosaur> | xmonad is not a desktop manager and doesn't include or run desktop services |
| 2022-09-08 15:03:33 +0200 | <geekosaur> | dunst is common as a notification daemon |
| 2022-09-08 15:03:54 +0200 | <geekosaur> | you still need dbus though; this will depend on how you're starting xmonad |
| 2022-09-08 15:34:49 +0200 | <liskin> | Solid: it's gonna be unfair one way or another anyway |
| 2022-09-08 15:39:55 +0200 | <liskin> | just go and spill a drink over your laptop and get a new one and don't bother with taxes, that's what I'd do |
| 2022-09-08 15:40:14 +0200 | <liskin> | because I just can't be arsed to do any of this bureacratic nonsense |
| 2022-09-08 15:40:29 +0200 | <liskin> | unfortunately they don't make good laptops any more :-) |
| 2022-09-08 15:40:50 +0200 | <liskin> | although I did manage to get used to the modern thinkpad keyboard after 4 months |
| 2022-09-08 15:41:34 +0200 | <alternateved> | That really sounds difficult |
| 2022-09-08 15:41:44 +0200 | <liskin> | now I'm actually able to seamlessly switch between having pageup/down near arrows and having them at the top right without much fuss |
| 2022-09-08 15:41:47 +0200 | <alternateved> | Like how do you even go about it |
| 2022-09-08 15:41:57 +0200 | <liskin> | alternateved: go about what? |
| 2022-09-08 15:45:31 +0200 | <liskin> | also I've been using s2idle on this new thinkpad and it just works and it's amazing, resumes before I finish opening the lid |
| 2022-09-08 15:47:20 +0200 | <alternateved> | opensource, money, non-profit when there is profit etc. |
| 2022-09-08 15:48:14 +0200 | <geekosaur> | we're going to need a fair amount of money to pay someone to do a wayland port, given that none of us is up to it |
| 2022-09-08 15:48:19 +0200 | <alternateved> | I mean, I never thought about that |
| 2022-09-08 15:49:04 +0200 | <liskin> | alternateved: there's quite a bit of docs on that topic around opencollective, and now also these: https://buttondown.email/Changeset/archive/maintainer-guides-spending-succession-more/ |
| 2022-09-08 15:49:41 +0200 | <liskin> | I'm not really the person to ask about doing this in the most legal way because I just don't know/care |
| 2022-09-08 15:50:02 +0200 | <alternateved> | liskin: oh yeah, that is helpful |
| 2022-09-08 15:50:39 +0200 | <liskin> | I *think* that expensing a €1000 piece of hardware once a while that you then use for some personal projects many of which are open-source is completely fair |
| 2022-09-08 15:51:57 +0200 | <liskin> | but then I was born in pre-1989 Czechoslovakia where people expensed millions to government-run industries and used it to kickstart their business, so my moral radar may be biased |
| 2022-09-08 15:53:20 +0200 | <liskin> | good thing is that by using OpenCollective, there's a lawyer/accountant on their side verifying every expense of ours, so I don't think we need to care at all |
| 2022-09-08 15:53:33 +0200 | <liskin> | as long as we keep the Twitter mobs away, we'll be fine :-D |
| 2022-09-08 15:55:39 +0200 | <liskin> | geekosaur: hiring a person to do that won't be easy though |
| 2022-09-08 15:55:47 +0200 | <geekosaur> | yeh |
| 2022-09-08 15:56:11 +0200 | <geekosaur> | that's part of what I'm figuring into the expected cost though |
| 2022-09-08 15:56:40 +0200 | <liskin> | good point |
| 2022-09-08 15:57:05 +0200 | <liskin> | paying someone like Sumana to help with the hiring/project management might help |
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| 2022-09-08 16:23:47 +0200 | <Solid> | liskin: I can't buy a new laptop, I will never get all of the stickers off of this one! :D |
| 2022-09-08 16:24:23 +0200 | <liskin> | Solid: you could by a 51nb motherboard from xyte.ch though! |
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| 2022-09-08 16:25:32 +0200 | mvk | (~mvk@2607:fea8:5ce3:8500::a1ec) |
| 2022-09-08 16:26:22 +0200 | <Solid> | oh, they have something for the x220? |
| 2022-09-08 16:32:02 +0200 | <liskin> | not sure but would be weird if they didn't |
| 2022-09-08 16:36:52 +0200 | <mesaoptimizer> | geekosaur: I see. I do have dbus and dunst works as expected but firefox reliably uses its own native "web push" notifications instead of dunst, and I assume this is a firefox issue |
| 2022-09-08 16:37:47 +0200 | <Solid> | anyways, 1k seems very much on the side of "unfair" :/ |
| 2022-09-08 16:37:50 +0200 | <Solid> | god I'm bad at this |
| 2022-09-08 16:38:22 +0200 | <mesaoptimizer> | I don't understand, unfair to whom? |
| 2022-09-08 16:38:33 +0200 | <geekosaur> | mesaoptimizer, sorry, I understood "native" incorrectly |
| 2022-09-08 16:38:51 +0200 | <geekosaur> | you may need to identify the firefox notifications and exclude them from management |
| 2022-09-08 16:39:20 +0200 | <geekosaur> | or from something else (I run picom and have to exclude notifications from it) |
| 2022-09-08 16:39:24 +0200 | <mesaoptimizer> | any docs you could point me to? |
| 2022-09-08 16:39:27 +0200 | <mesaoptimizer> | or code? |
| 2022-09-08 16:40:29 +0200 | <geekosaur> | I only have the picom config, xmonad ignores my notifications already (but I run chrome and it uses the standard desktop notifications) |
| 2022-09-08 16:40:55 +0200 | <liskin> | Solid: unfair which way? :-) |
| 2022-09-08 16:41:20 +0200 | <mesaoptimizer> | maybe I should switch entirely to chromium if that is the case, since I barely use firefox anyway |
| 2022-09-08 16:41:34 +0200 | <Solid> | liskin: hahahahaha |
| 2022-09-08 16:43:17 +0200 | <mesaoptimizer> | nice, chromium uses dunst to create notifications, unlike firefox. It feels wrong to give up on firefox tbh, I guess I'll need to switch to chromium full time |
| 2022-09-08 16:43:24 +0200 | <Solid> | (I'm working like 50 hours a week while I'm getting paid for 20 so you can imagine how my paycheck looks :) |
| 2022-09-08 16:45:48 +0200 | <liskin> | well as long as you're having fun |
| 2022-09-08 16:46:18 +0200 | <liskin> | I used to do this when I was younger, and my then manager told me that the light that shines twice as bright shines twice less long |
| 2022-09-08 16:47:32 +0200 | <liskin> | and now I can't any more |
| 2022-09-08 16:47:34 +0200 | <geekosaur> | in the US there's a nasty tendency for managers to demand that kind of thing 😞 |
| 2022-09-08 16:47:57 +0200 | <liskin> | there's lots of short-sighetdness in US :-) |
| 2022-09-08 16:48:14 +0200 | <geekosaur> | no argument |
| 2022-09-08 16:48:28 +0200 | <geekosaur> | but there's also lots of eager kids who can be sucked dry and replaced |
| 2022-09-08 16:50:57 +0200 | <Solid> | few people in this business who don't work that much |
| 2022-09-08 16:51:13 +0200 | <Solid> | maybe this is why mathematicians are generally burned out once they hit like 45 or so :] |
| 2022-09-08 17:21:58 +0200 | <fizzie> | Fun fact: Chrom(e|ium) has a (pretty modest) list of capabilities it requires the notification daemon to support (speficially, 'body' and 'actions'), otherwise it falls back to its own custom ones (that for me on XMonad more often than not end up behind windows). |
| 2022-09-08 17:22:08 +0200 | <fizzie> | (I imagine any "serious" notification thing meets those requirements, I just looked into this when thinking what'd be the minimum requirements for getting desktop notifications to go into my hand-made status bar.) |
| 2022-09-08 17:26:58 +0200 | cfricke | (~cfricke@user/cfricke) (Quit: WeeChat 3.6) |
| 2022-09-08 17:31:54 +0200 | <liskin> | s/Fun/useful/, actually |
| 2022-09-08 17:32:52 +0200 | <liskin> | now I remember that back when I had time to tweak my xmonad to perfection I did actually look into chromium's source code to figure out what I need to do to get it to notify via a notifications daemon instead of doing its own thing |
| 2022-09-08 17:33:06 +0200 | <liskin> | shame I didn't document what I found |
| 2022-09-08 17:34:03 +0200 | <liskin> | also chromium does the equivalent of wmctrl -m when it starts to decide how to handle moving of tabs |
| 2022-09-08 17:35:04 +0200 | <liskin> | if it detects xmonad it uses override-redirect windows and if not then it expects a traditional floating window manager and tries to XMoveWindow which fails in xmonad |
| 2022-09-08 17:35:33 +0200 | <liskin> | (yes it does actually check for "xmonad" specifically, because there are still super-senior googlers using it) |
| 2022-09-08 17:37:43 +0200 | <geekosaur[m]> | Heh |
| 2022-09-08 17:38:03 +0200 | <mesaoptimizer> | wow |
| 2022-09-08 17:43:04 +0200 | <Solid> | :) |
| 2022-09-08 17:46:44 +0200 | <geekosaur> | guess this explains why they keep trying to hire me 🙂 unfortunately today's being a good example of why I'm off the market 😞 |
| 2022-09-08 17:50:14 +0200 | <mesaoptimizer> | what happened today? |
| 2022-09-08 17:51:26 +0200 | <geekosaur> | I have neurological issues, they're kinda severe today |
| 2022-09-08 17:52:07 +0200 | <geekosaur> | I could work through them when I was in my 30s, it doesn't work any more so neither can I reliably 😞 |
| 2022-09-08 17:56:26 +0200 | <mesaoptimizer> | ouch |
| 2022-09-08 17:56:42 +0200 | <mesaoptimizer> | It is nice that you don't need to work full time to live then |
| 2022-09-08 18:06:59 +0200 | Guest909 | (~Guest90@2001:9e8:29e6:4200:8f19:2585:b1eb:d28e) |
| 2022-09-08 18:16:34 +0200 | <Guest909> | hi guys, I'm new to xmonad and currently doing the Tutorial. I stuck when I tried to integrate the xmobar. I got the error that StatusBar just exist in xmobar => 0.17.0 |
| 2022-09-08 18:16:35 +0200 | <Guest909> | Yes I saw the hint in the tutorial and checked my version which I installed via package manger (Ubuntu 22). I was 0.15.0 so I removed it and installed it manually as described here: https://xmonad.org/INSTALL.html via cabal. I did the same with xmobar. My versions now: |
| 2022-09-08 18:16:36 +0200 | <Guest909> | xmobar: 0.36 |
| 2022-09-08 18:16:36 +0200 | <Guest909> | xmonad: 0.17.1.9 |
| 2022-09-08 18:16:37 +0200 | <Guest909> | Can anybody help me or give me a hint what I am doing wrong? |
| 2022-09-08 18:20:35 +0200 | <geekosaur> | (the next Ubuntu release should have 0.17.0 since Debian finally updated and Ubuntu draws from Debian testing) |
| 2022-09-08 18:22:27 +0200 | <geekosaur> | can you pastebin your config and the full error message? |
| 2022-09-08 18:22:30 +0200 | <geekosaur> | @where paste |
| 2022-09-08 18:22:30 +0200 | <lambdabot> | Help us help you: please paste full code, input and/or output at e.g. https://paste.tomsmeding.com |
| 2022-09-08 18:23:09 +0200 | <Guest909> | sure, just a moment... |
| 2022-09-08 18:25:47 +0200 | <Guest909> | hm, I have this message box but it looks like a cannot copy the message from there is the error also stored to a file? |
| 2022-09-08 18:31:10 +0200 | <mesaoptimizer> | Guest909: perhaps the message is stored in `~/.xmonad/xmonad.errors` (assuming that is the directory where xmonad.hs is stored) |
| 2022-09-08 18:31:41 +0200 | <Guest909> | yes found it at the moment you wrote, thanks |
| 2022-09-08 18:34:39 +0200 | <Guest909> | https://paste.tomsmeding.com/cwsvauq8 |
| 2022-09-08 18:35:26 +0200 | logzet | (~quassel@2001:9e8:e503:f900:dabb:c1ff:fed3:a1b9) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2022-09-08 18:35:59 +0200 | <geekosaur> | odd. you sure the Ubuntu package isn't still installed? |
| 2022-09-08 18:37:20 +0200 | <geekosaur> | (also the import line you have commented out is slightly wrong, "PP" should be uppercase. module names are case sensitive and always start with uppercase letters to distinguish them from variable names) |
| 2022-09-08 18:37:32 +0200 | <Guest909> | hm what i can say I removed via apt-get remove |
| 2022-09-08 18:37:48 +0200 | <Guest909> | which xmonad gives me the path where installed it manually |
| 2022-09-08 18:38:01 +0200 | <Guest909> | xmonad --version gives me 0.17.0 |
| 2022-09-08 18:39:29 +0200 | <geekosaur> | mm, but unless you're using startx or setting the PATH in ~/.xsession it only looks in /usr/bin |
| 2022-09-08 18:39:39 +0200 | <Guest909> | ok thanks for the hint (pp) |
| 2022-09-08 18:40:07 +0200 | <geekosaur> | only fedora's smart enough to incorporate the user's PATH in X11 (or Wayland) startup |
| 2022-09-08 18:41:34 +0200 | <Guest909> | in ~/.xsession I just call |
| 2022-09-08 18:41:34 +0200 | <Guest909> | exec xmonad |
| 2022-09-08 18:41:35 +0200 | <Guest909> | expecting this is "my" Version |
| 2022-09-08 18:42:02 +0200 | <geekosaur> | is there a /usr/bin/xmonad ? |
| 2022-09-08 18:42:18 +0200 | <Guest909> | no |
| 2022-09-08 18:42:33 +0200 | <Guest909> | but a xmobar |
| 2022-09-08 18:43:27 +0200 | <geekosaur> | interesting. normally ubuntu doesn't use $PATH and tends to stick to stuff in /usr/bin |
| 2022-09-08 18:44:09 +0200 | <geekosaur> | (I have to use a wrapper script since I use xmonad as MATE's window manager) |
| 2022-09-08 18:44:41 +0200 | <geekosaur> | maybe they changed it in 22.04 finally |
| 2022-09-08 18:45:39 +0200 | <geekosaur> | in any case it sounds like it's still finding xmonad-contrib 0.16 probably from ubuntu apt, did you also remove that? |
| 2022-09-08 18:46:17 +0200 | <Guest909> | ohm no! |
| 2022-09-08 18:47:04 +0200 | <Guest909> | is there a way to check the version of contrib which is used? |
| 2022-09-08 18:47:19 +0200 | <geekosaur> | not easily since it's a library, not a program |
| 2022-09-08 18:48:10 +0200 | <Guest909> | ok when I remove it now I would expect I have to reconfigure something, right? |
| 2022-09-08 18:48:30 +0200 | <geekosaur> | hopefully not, the "reconfigure" would be recompiling your config |
| 2022-09-08 18:48:55 +0200 | <geekosaur> | in particular, the xmonad executable doesn't depend on contrib, it's a library for user configs to use |
| 2022-09-08 18:52:30 +0200 | Guest902 | (~Guest90@146-241-159-106.dyn.eolo.it) |
| 2022-09-08 18:53:00 +0200 | <Guest909> | apt wasn't able to locate xmonad-contrib so I think it was removed when I removed xmonad |
| 2022-09-08 18:54:06 +0200 | <geekosaur> | mm, that would make sense. but it's still finding the older contrib library for some reason |
| 2022-09-08 18:54:14 +0200 | Guest266 | (~Guest266@146-241-159-106.dyn.eolo.it) |
| 2022-09-08 18:54:45 +0200 | <Guest909> | package manger find xmobar could that be the reason? |
| 2022-09-08 18:55:45 +0200 | <Guest266> | Hello all! I'm trying to customize xmobar, using dynamic logs, but dynamic logs itself are deprecated by status bar, and all the guides i saw are only with status bar. |
| 2022-09-08 18:56:19 +0200 | <Guest266> | I'm using linux mint vanessa, and xmonad's version is still behind 0.17 |
| 2022-09-08 18:57:03 +0200 | <Guest266> | Xmonad's version 0.15-4build2.1 |
| 2022-09-08 18:57:47 +0200 | <Guest266> | Is there a ppa I can follow, or do I need help with dynamic logs? |
| 2022-09-08 18:58:19 +0200 | <Solid> | Guest266: the tutorial should work for versions below 0.17.0 |
| 2022-09-08 18:58:25 +0200 | Guest902 | (~Guest90@146-241-159-106.dyn.eolo.it) (Quit: Client closed) |
| 2022-09-08 18:59:07 +0200 | <geekosaur> | I'm surprised you can only find guides using StatusBar given how long it took distros to update to 0.17.0 |
| 2022-09-08 18:59:24 +0200 | <Solid> | that too :) |
| 2022-09-08 18:59:49 +0200 | <Guest266> | I'm having trouble in this part: main :: IO () |
| 2022-09-08 18:59:49 +0200 | <Guest266> | main = xmonad |
| 2022-09-08 18:59:50 +0200 | <Guest266> | . ewmhFullscreen |
| 2022-09-08 18:59:50 +0200 | <Guest266> | . ewmh |
| 2022-09-08 18:59:51 +0200 | <Guest266> | =<< statusBar "xmobar" def toggleStrutsKey myConfig |
| 2022-09-08 18:59:51 +0200 | <Guest266> | where |
| 2022-09-08 18:59:52 +0200 | <Guest266> | toggleStrutsKey :: XConfig Layout -> (KeyMask, KeySym) |
| 2022-09-08 18:59:52 +0200 | <Guest266> | toggleStrutsKey XConfig{ modMask = m } = (m, xK_b) |
| 2022-09-08 19:00:00 +0200 | <geekosaur> | ugh. please use a pastebin |
| 2022-09-08 19:00:03 +0200 | <geekosaur> | @where paste |
| 2022-09-08 19:00:04 +0200 | <lambdabot> | Help us help you: please paste full code, input and/or output at e.g. https://paste.tomsmeding.com |
| 2022-09-08 19:00:09 +0200 | <Guest266> | is it necessarily needed to add a key shortcut? |
| 2022-09-08 19:00:45 +0200 | <geekosaur> | the statusBar function (which despite its name is actually the older DyanmicLog mechanism) requires one, yes |
| 2022-09-08 19:01:01 +0200 | <Guest266> | So what can I do? |
| 2022-09-08 19:01:07 +0200 | <geekosaur> | the newer mechanism lets you skip that part by using withSB instead of withEasySB |
| 2022-09-08 19:01:29 +0200 | <Guest266> | my main: |
| 2022-09-08 19:01:34 +0200 | <Solid> | Guest266: that code should run on 0.15/0.16 |
| 2022-09-08 19:01:47 +0200 | <Guest266> | main = do |
| 2022-09-08 19:01:48 +0200 | <Guest266> | h <- spawnPipe "xmobar -options -foo -bar" |
| 2022-09-08 19:01:48 +0200 | <Guest266> | xmonad $ docks defaults { |
| 2022-09-08 19:01:49 +0200 | <Guest266> | logHook = dynamicLogWithPP $ def { ppOutput = hPutStrLn h } |
| 2022-09-08 19:01:49 +0200 | <Guest266> | } |
| 2022-09-08 19:02:19 +0200 | <Guest266> | how can I merge those two pieces? I tried every way.. |
| 2022-09-08 19:03:21 +0200 | <geekosaur> | Guest909, xmobar version should not affect what packages xmonad can find |
| 2022-09-08 19:04:30 +0200 | <geekosaur> | Guest266 (again, please use a pastebin instead of pasting code into IRC) those are two different ways of configuring xmobar, they don't mix very well |
| 2022-09-08 19:05:15 +0200 | <geekosaur> | but if you are using the second one, the only part you need from the first is the ewmh config which goes in the same place as docks |
| 2022-09-08 19:05:25 +0200 | <Solid> | since you don't use ewmh, just replace your main with something like http://ix.io/49Y5 |
| 2022-09-08 19:06:12 +0200 | <Guest909> | if found a xmonad-contrib-0.16.conf in /var/lib/ghc/package.conf |
| 2022-09-08 19:06:42 +0200 | <Guest266> | Ok, and how do I link it with myPP? should I change def with myPP? |
| 2022-09-08 19:06:47 +0200 | <Guest266> | Solid |
| 2022-09-08 19:06:54 +0200 | <Solid> | yes |
| 2022-09-08 19:07:18 +0200 | <Guest266> | ok, thanks! I'll try |
| 2022-09-08 19:08:38 +0200 | <Guest909> | and there is also a xmonad-0.15.conf |
| 2022-09-08 19:08:51 +0200 | <geekosaur> | hrm, those should no longer be there |
| 2022-09-08 19:09:06 +0200 | <geekosaur> | oh, debian. although it should have removed those as deps |
| 2022-09-08 19:09:42 +0200 | <geekosaur> | sudo apt remove libghc-xmonad-dev libghc-xmonad-contrib-dev |
| 2022-09-08 19:09:44 +0200 | <Guest909> | can / should I remove both manually? |
| 2022-09-08 19:11:28 +0200 | <Guest909> | hm |
| 2022-09-08 19:11:42 +0200 | <Guest909> | now the error is on line 11 |
| 2022-09-08 19:11:46 +0200 | <Guest909> | import XMonad |
| 2022-09-08 19:12:13 +0200 | <Guest909> | ok, i go thrue the install.md again would solve it.\ |
| 2022-09-08 19:13:03 +0200 | <geekosaur> | cabal install --lib xmonad xmonad-contrib — make sure you run this in ~/.xmonad |
| 2022-09-08 19:13:19 +0200 | <geekosaur> | (or ~/.config/xmonad if you used that directory for your config) |
| 2022-09-08 19:14:18 +0200 | <Guest909> | yes Sir |
| 2022-09-08 19:14:18 +0200 | <Guest266> | now the program gives me this https://pastebin.com/SUYM7RCe |
| 2022-09-08 19:14:22 +0200 | <Guest909> | Lot of thanks! |
| 2022-09-08 19:14:35 +0200 | <Guest266> | oops not that |
| 2022-09-08 19:15:45 +0200 | mvk | (~mvk@2607:fea8:5ce3:8500::a1ec) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
| 2022-09-08 19:17:46 +0200 | <geekosaur> | Guest909, without the --lib it builds and installs but doesn't register the install where we need it to be. if you already have it installed then it may do nothing except create the package registry in ~/.xmonad |
| 2022-09-08 19:17:58 +0200 | <liskin> | geekosaur: I'd be surprised if their trying to hire you was actually due to xmonad as in someone knowing what it is and wanting you because of that; more likely just a general this person does open source in their free time they must be good kind of thing |
| 2022-09-08 19:19:03 +0200 | <geekosaur> | yeh, that was half joking |
| 2022-09-08 19:20:14 +0200 | <geekosaur> | but it suggests they know who I am and they almost certainly have used their own search resources to figure out things like how long I've been active and therefore a guess at my age — and it's somewhat surprising they'd be after an older man, tbh |
| 2022-09-08 19:21:41 +0200 | <geekosaur> | (they'd also know I'm self-taught and therefore somewhat weak on things like formal algorithms training) |
| 2022-09-08 19:23:23 +0200 | <xmonadtrack> | xmonad Tony Zorman * v0.17.1-6-gfb1f332: TUTORIAL: Remove ewmhFullscreen from < 0.17.0 instructions (11 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad/commit/fb1f33258e14 |
| 2022-09-08 19:23:23 +0200 | <xmonadtrack> | xmonad Tony Zorman * v0.17.1-7-gfd9de89: TUTORIAL: Add separators for < 0.17.0 instructions (13 minutes ago, 1 file, 32+ 12-) https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad/commit/fd9de8903f39 |
| 2022-09-08 19:32:56 +0200 | <Guest266> | Solid what does ‘m’ stand for in your code? myModMask? |
| 2022-09-08 19:33:19 +0200 | <Guest909> | geekosaur thanks again and also for the additional hint with the --lib |
| 2022-09-08 19:33:38 +0200 | <Solid> | Guest266: It's the modMask that you (probably) set in defaults |
| 2022-09-08 19:33:50 +0200 | <Solid> | E.g., Super or something like that |
| 2022-09-08 19:34:25 +0200 | <geekosaur> | `XConfig {modMask = m}` extracts the modMask from the XConfig that was passed as a parameter |
| 2022-09-08 19:34:27 +0200 | <Solid> | arguably that line should read `toggleStrutsKey XConfig{ modMask } = (modMask, xK_b)` but you need a language extension for that, which might intimidate new people :) |
| 2022-09-08 19:34:34 +0200 | <geekosaur> | and it can be used as `m` |
| 2022-09-08 19:41:28 +0200 | mvk | (~mvk@2607:fea8:5ce3:8500::191) |
| 2022-09-08 19:43:22 +0200 | Guest909 | (~Guest90@2001:9e8:29e6:4200:8f19:2585:b1eb:d28e) (Quit: Client closed) |
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| 2022-09-08 20:37:24 +0200 | mvk | (~mvk@2607:fea8:5ce3:8500::191) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
| 2022-09-08 20:37:24 +0200 | Guest266 | (~Guest266@146-241-159-106.dyn.eolo.it) (Quit: Client closed) |
| 2022-09-08 20:43:20 +0200 | ft | (~ft@p4fc2a0f5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 2022-09-08 21:19:44 +0200 | <liskin> | geekosaur: oh okay, that seems like they upped their recruitment game a bit :-) |
| 2022-09-08 21:21:17 +0200 | <geekosaur> | depends on whether it's them directly (which it was in my case) or a headhunting agency, which I gather they use to get kids |
| 2022-09-08 21:23:18 +0200 | <geekosaur> | they don't waste their time digging up go monkeys 🙂 |
| 2022-09-08 21:27:49 +0200 | <liskin> | I do have to admit that my experience was back when I was a kid |
| 2022-09-08 21:29:42 +0200 | <geekosaur> | IIRC, first time they contacted me was before I'd gotten seriously involved with Haskell, tbh. I was in my upper 30s and staff at Carnegie Mellon ECE |
| 2022-09-08 21:30:35 +0200 | <geekosaur> | but even early on they still farmed out hiring college grads and such |
| 2022-09-08 21:32:14 +0200 | <geekosaur> | (hobnobbing with SCS grad students meant I got to compare and contrast the headhunters going after them…) |
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| 2022-09-08 22:44:39 +0200 | <ChaoticMist[m]> | Is there some sort of reading list that introduces XMonad features? As in: `Did you know you could do X in XMonad?` |
| 2022-09-08 22:45:26 +0200 | <geekosaur> | not that I'm aware of, aside things like distrotube's coverage |
| 2022-09-08 22:51:07 +0200 | benin09 | (~benin@183.82.28.141) |
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| 2022-09-08 23:19:26 +0200 | <ChaoticMist[m]> | <geekosaur> "not that I'm aware of, aside..." <- Was thinking more like short segments (blog/video) that explains a certain feature, but I guess there seems to be none |
| 2022-09-08 23:19:53 +0200 | <ChaoticMist[m]> | Distrotube's videos are generally "Here is my setup" based videos |
| 2022-09-08 23:20:05 +0200 | <ChaoticMist[m]> | Although I do give him credit for making tutorials about xmonad |
| 2022-09-08 23:23:38 +0200 | <geekosaur> | we have a stalled ticket (for several years) about making something like that |
| 2022-09-08 23:26:05 +0200 | <ChaoticMist[m]> | Short animated videos/gifs + borrowing text from documentation and adding to it should create good enough segments imo |
| 2022-09-08 23:26:18 +0200 | <ChaoticMist[m]> | Other's will most likely make a "better" follow up => more content out there |
| 2022-09-08 23:26:32 +0200 | <ChaoticMist[m]> | So there is no loss, no matter how bad/good the posts are |
| 2022-09-08 23:27:02 +0200 | <ChaoticMist[m]> | I'll do my part after figuring out how to setup a modular setup, trying to write my own xmonad config and not use other people's work so that I can get the hang of it atm :) |
| 2022-09-08 23:29:11 +0200 | <mesaoptimizer> | I think the docs are quite useful |
| 2022-09-08 23:29:53 +0200 | <mesaoptimizer> | but yes, I stumbled upon the custom key sequence keybinds (and was motivated to make them) after seeing distrotube mention them offhandedly in his doom emacs video |
| 2022-09-08 23:30:08 +0200 | <mesaoptimizer> | s/mention/mention and show/ |
| 2022-09-08 23:31:37 +0200 | mvk | (~mvk@2607:fea8:5ce3:8500::875a) |
| 2022-09-08 23:34:22 +0200 | <geekosaur> | right now I think you pretty much just have to read through all the xmonad-contrib haddocks. of which there are over 300… |
| 2022-09-08 23:35:30 +0200 | <ChaoticMist[m]> | Figured that part out.. lol |
| 2022-09-08 23:35:39 +0200 | <ChaoticMist[m]> | I guess I have to endure that somehow.. |
| 2022-09-08 23:37:47 +0200 | <geekosaur> | https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/issues/160 is the stalled ticket I was thinking of. it only covers layouts though, not things like the Prompt tree or Actions |
| 2022-09-08 23:40:55 +0200 | <ChaoticMist[m]> | Damn.. that was 5 years ago |
| 2022-09-08 23:41:44 +0200 | <ChaoticMist[m]> | And apparently only `modifiers.hs` was completed.. seems like a daunting task judging from the speed of that thread xD |