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2022-08-11 04:43:14 +0000 <zim0369[m]1> hey geekosaur anything?
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2022-08-11 05:57:52 +0000 <Solid> ?tell Quelklef I'd say just make the PR and we can discuss it from there
2022-08-11 05:57:53 +0000 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
2022-08-11 05:58:27 +0000 <zim0369[m]1> geekosaur: https://dpaste.org/PM135 is the exact config that works on my second machine but not my primary. no xmobar : (
2022-08-11 05:58:32 +0000 <zim0369[m]1> im going to cry now
2022-08-11 05:58:59 +0000 <zim0369[m]1> i really need some help now : (
2022-08-11 06:05:26 +0000 <zim0369[m]1> hey Solid can you help me?
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2022-08-11 06:06:26 +0000 <Solid> if the config works on another computer, probably not
2022-08-11 06:06:48 +0000 <zim0369[m]1> but i just did a brand new reinstall of endeavorOS on my main machine
2022-08-11 06:18:27 +0000 <Solid> and I've never used endeavorOS so I have no idea what could go wrong there
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2022-08-11 09:33:01 +0000 <zim0369[m]1> Solid: do u think this could be due to kmonad
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2022-08-11 13:04:36 +0000 <geekosaur> I'd be really surprised if a keyboard manager had anything to do with xmonad vs. xmobar
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2022-08-11 13:13:59 +0000 <zim0369[m]1> geekosaur: can you at least help me setup polybar?
2022-08-11 13:14:36 +0000 <zim0369[m]1> I didn't know how to set it up from scratch so I copied a lot of stub code from here: https://gvolpe.com/blog/xmonad-polybar-nixos/
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2022-08-11 13:15:44 +0000 <geekosaur> probably not. I don't use either xmobar or polybar
2022-08-11 13:16:43 +0000 <zim0369[m]1> atleast with one line?
2022-08-11 13:16:53 +0000 <zim0369[m]1> that guys loghook looks like:
2022-08-11 13:16:53 +0000 <zim0369[m]1> ` , logHook = myPolybarLogHook dbus`
2022-08-11 13:17:16 +0000 <zim0369[m]1> mine: ` logHook = refocusLastLogHook <> logHook def,`
2022-08-11 13:17:23 +0000 <zim0369[m]1> how should i modify mine?
2022-08-11 13:18:08 +0000 <zim0369[m]1> also in his config:
2022-08-11 13:18:08 +0000 <zim0369[m]1> `myPolybarLogHook dbus = myLogHook <+> dynamicLogWithPP (polybarHook dbus)`
2022-08-11 13:18:08 +0000 <zim0369[m]1> and
2022-08-11 13:18:08 +0000 <zim0369[m]1> `myLogHook = fadeInactiveLogHook 0.9`
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2022-08-11 13:31:39 +0000 <geekosaur> you probably don't need the fadeInactiveLogHook
2022-08-11 13:31:58 +0000 <geekosaur> you would use <> to add the myPolybarLogHook to yours
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2022-08-11 13:33:56 +0000 <zim0369[m]1> how do i bring the dbus variable into scope?
2022-08-11 13:35:50 +0000 <geekosaur> hm. you separated your config from main, right? that means you have to pass it as a parameter to your config
2022-08-11 13:40:19 +0000 <zim0369[m]1> geekosaur: ```
2022-08-11 13:40:20 +0000 <zim0369[m]1> main :: IO ()
2022-08-11 13:40:20 +0000 <zim0369[m]1> main = xmonad $ myConfig
2022-08-11 13:40:20 +0000 <zim0369[m]1> ```
2022-08-11 13:40:24 +0000 <zim0369[m]1> this is my main func.
2022-08-11 13:40:48 +0000 <zim0369[m]1> so `main = xmonad $ myConfig $ dbus`?
2022-08-11 13:40:52 +0000 <geekosaur> then where do you get dbus from?
2022-08-11 13:41:08 +0000 <geekosaur> pastebin your full config
2022-08-11 13:42:03 +0000 <zim0369[m]1> https://paste.tomsmeding.com/dfhoacT0
2022-08-11 13:44:04 +0000 <geekosaur> mkDbusClient needs to be invoked from main
2022-08-11 13:46:00 +0000 <geekosaur> https://paste.tomsmeding.com/9qFkNABn
2022-08-11 13:47:16 +0000 <zim0369[m]1> polybar works
2022-08-11 13:47:32 +0000 <zim0369[m]1> but now i have to display the right workspaces and polybar overlaps over the windows
2022-08-11 13:48:20 +0000 <geekosaur> yes, you're missing avoidStruts and docks
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2022-08-11 13:52:04 +0000 <geekosaur> https://paste.tomsmeding.com/tTV2ozl5
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2022-08-11 13:53:04 +0000 <geekosaur> "display the right workspaces" means replacing `polybarHook` with whatever you were using before
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2022-08-11 13:57:29 +0000 <zim0369[m]1> polybar launches the same w/o that configuration
2022-08-11 13:57:29 +0000 <zim0369[m]1> how am i supposed to integrate polybar with xmonad
2022-08-11 13:59:39 +0000 <geekosaur> I don't understanmd the question. this modifies xmonad to talk to polybar via dbus; you may need to configure polybar to listen on dbus
2022-08-11 14:00:03 +0000 <geekosaur> and you probably want to configure polybarHook to do what you want instead of the simple display it currently uses
2022-08-11 14:00:30 +0000 <geekosaur> but, again, I don't know polybar
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2022-08-11 14:04:08 +0000 <geekosaur> I presume you have to configure it to display what it's being sent instead of trying to use EWMH (which you have disabled)
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2022-08-11 15:14:04 +0000 <zim0369[m]1> I went through a lot of configurations and seems like they're all using ewmh
2022-08-11 15:14:21 +0000 <zim0369[m]1> but i can't use it because it messes up with fakefullscreen
2022-08-11 15:17:15 +0000 <geekosaur> that shyould only happen if you use the ewmhFullscreen modifier
2022-08-11 15:17:22 +0000 <geekosaur> it's separate for a reason
2022-08-11 15:18:09 +0000 <geekosaur> also it looks like polybar might be using a special logger to get information directly from xmonad instead of using EWMH, but I have no clue what this nix xmonad-log package might be
2022-08-11 15:19:10 +0000 <geekosaur> but looking back at the xmonad config's dbus setup it's almost the same as my setup for xmonad-log-applet in mate-panel
2022-08-11 15:19:32 +0000 <geekosaur> (that doesn't support polybar, though)
2022-08-11 15:23:19 +0000 <geekosaur> so that part of polybar config is hidden somewhere in nix and you'll have to find a config that doesn't use nix to find out how to use it
2022-08-11 15:23:46 +0000 <geekosaur> (*don't* try to switch to nix, it has a very high learning curve)
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2022-08-11 15:26:08 +0000 <geekosaur> actually that looks like nixos since it includes configuration information, that's even worse than plain nix
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2022-08-11 15:34:17 +0000 <geekosaur> https://github.com/sagotsky/.dotfiles/blob/master/config/polybar/config-xmonad-log#L94-L98 is how you hook in xmonad-log in a normal config. I have no idea what this xmonad-log program is or whether it's packaged on your distro
2022-08-11 15:35:44 +0000 <geekosaur> looks like it's not, from a quick google
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2022-08-11 15:37:27 +0000 <geekosaur> https://github.com/xintron/xmonad-log
2022-08-11 15:37:33 +0000 <zim0369[m]1> the configuration you sent was all working
2022-08-11 15:37:49 +0000 <zim0369[m]1> it just needed ewmh and everything worked flawlessly
2022-08-11 15:38:04 +0000 <zim0369[m]1> as you said i didn't use ewmhfull so my fakefullscreen is still preserved
2022-08-11 15:38:08 +0000 <zim0369[m]1> thanks
2022-08-11 15:38:13 +0000 <zim0369[m]1> polybar is <3
2022-08-11 15:38:40 +0000 <zim0369[m]1> i also went through xmonad-log a while ago and it didn't work for me
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2022-08-11 16:46:28 +0000 <Quelklef> Solid sounds good! I'm back to work on it, but I'll open a PR once it's ready :^3
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2022-08-11 22:11:07 +0000 <V42> hello!
2022-08-11 22:11:17 +0000 <geekosaur> hi
2022-08-11 22:11:42 +0000 <V42> The website mentions "Full support for GNOME and KDE utilities". I wonder what that means
2022-08-11 22:12:18 +0000 <V42> Do other window manager not support opening Konsole for example?
2022-08-11 22:12:23 +0000 <geekosaur> I'm not sure it's even true any more given all the stuff they run in the background that essentially brings up all of gnome/kde respectively
2022-08-11 22:12:28 +0000 <geekosaur> especially for gnome
2022-08-11 22:12:47 +0000 <geekosaur> that said, most gnome stuff works for me but I run xmonad as mate's wm
2022-08-11 22:14:10 +0000 <geekosaur> I think Konsole should work
2022-08-11 22:14:23 +0000 <geekosaur> plasma file manager own't because it expects plasma-wm
2022-08-11 22:14:31 +0000 <geekosaur> *won't
2022-08-11 22:14:45 +0000 <geekosaur> similarly gnome's file manager expects gnome-shell
2022-08-11 22:15:09 +0000 <geekosaur> butif gnome-flashback is supported on your system then things can work
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2022-08-11 22:15:34 +0000 <V42> I'm more interested in KDE applications
2022-08-11 22:16:07 +0000 <geekosaur> KDE stuff is generally better behaved than Gnome stuff; I'd expect most of it to work unless it's hooked into Plasma
2022-08-11 22:16:08 +0000 <V42> I've already tried the file manager on bspwm. It opened but was unusable
2022-08-11 22:18:35 +0000 <geekosaur> that said, there is a way to configure kde to use xmonad as its file manager. it does require a patch to plasma though
2022-08-11 22:19:00 +0000 <geekosaur> %gitc HEAD^{/KDE}
2022-08-11 22:19:00 +0000 <xmonadtrack> xmonad-contrib Spencer Janssen * v0.8-85-g9d0f3485: Add KDE 4 config, thanks to Shirakawasuna on IRC (14 years ago, 1 file, 13+ 1-) https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/commit/9d0f34852c13
2022-08-11 22:19:07 +0000 <geekosaur> mm, wrong one
2022-08-11 22:19:14 +0000 <geekosaur> %git HEAD^{/KDE}
2022-08-11 22:19:14 +0000 <xmonadtrack> Could not find commit HEAD^{/KDE} (git returned 128)
2022-08-11 22:19:21 +0000 <V42> I'm actually trying to lower resource usage by switching to xmonad
2022-08-11 22:19:43 +0000 <V42> maybe lowercase?
2022-08-11 22:19:52 +0000 <geekosaur> ohm it's an issue not a commit
2022-08-11 22:20:05 +0000 <geekosaur> because there's nothing we can do on our end, it's a plasma misfeature
2022-08-11 22:20:16 +0000 <geekosaur> https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/issues/691
2022-08-11 22:20:27 +0000 <geekosaur> includes several versions of the plasma patch
2022-08-11 22:20:36 +0000 <geekosaur> foir different kde releases
2022-08-11 22:24:58 +0000 <geekosaur> anyway switching to xmonad won't lower resource use by much because any kde program will run kdeinit and start a shitton of background services
2022-08-11 22:25:40 +0000 <geekosaur> lxqt might be a better idea if you want something kde-flavored but lower resources
2022-08-11 22:26:51 +0000 <V42> I guess I would need to catch Everything In The Terminal Syndrom
2022-08-11 22:27:02 +0000 <V42> and use alacritty or something
2022-08-11 22:27:27 +0000 <V42> I routinely run out of RAM these days
2022-08-11 22:27:39 +0000 <geekosaur> one reason I run mate is because it provides a nice DE experience while being much lighter than KDE or Gnome
2022-08-11 22:28:06 +0000 <geekosaur> but lxqt is even lighter weight
2022-08-11 22:28:15 +0000 <V42> funny this is language servers are the most intensive thing I run
2022-08-11 22:28:19 +0000 <geekosaur> both can be configured to use xmonad as wm
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