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2022-07-25 00:45:31 +0200 <liskin> https://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xmonad/news/20220722T175348Z.html \o/
2022-07-25 01:02:26 +0200 <geekosaur> \o/
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2022-07-25 19:17:21 +0200elonsroadster[m](~elonsroad@2001:470:69fc:105::d121)
2022-07-25 19:18:54 +0200 <elonsroadster[m]> liskin: wondering if you can quickly tell me what I need to do to make it so that dialog windows float by default. This hasn't worked for me since you overhauled the manage hook, but I'm feeling lazy and I don't wnat to try and figure out what the new incantation is on my own. I already tried the `isDialog --> doFloat` thing but that doesn't seem to work. Is there something else that I need to do?
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2022-07-25 19:23:33 +0200 <alternateved> What is wrong with `isDialog --> doFloat`? It works just fine
2022-07-25 19:24:01 +0200liskin[m](~liskinmat@2001:470:69fc:105::768)
2022-07-25 19:26:26 +0200 <geekosaur> not all dialogs set the EWMH dialog hook. some dialogs use the old style fixed size thing, others rely on `WM_TRANSIENT_FOR` for which there's a different matcher (`transience'`). also see `clientLeader` and its caveat
2022-07-25 19:28:07 +0200 <geekosaur> that said, I don't really understand the question (and don't off the top of my head recall an overhaul of the `manageHook`, but I'm not having a very good day today)
2022-07-25 19:29:31 +0200 <elonsroadster[m]> geekosaur: this was about a year ago,maybe a bit more, it used to be that (i think maybe) the default manage hook just did all of this automatically. Or maybe it was something like the ewmh config modifier. Not sure i remember exactly, but something changed and floating dialogs has not worked for me since then.
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2022-07-25 19:31:36 +0200 <geekosaur> hm. I've always had a set of windows for which it's never worked immediately but I consider it a flaw in those applications since they don't set appropriate window properties. otherwise I use the `isDialog` thing and it's always worked
2022-07-25 19:32:30 +0200 <geekosaur> EWMH doesn't even touch the `manageHook` (I just doublechecked)
2022-07-25 19:35:14 +0200 <elonsroadster[m]> hmmm maybe its pinentry that changed
2022-07-25 19:35:31 +0200 <elonsroadster[m]> from what I can tell looking at xprop it doesnt set _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_DIALOG, but I SWEAR That is used to work for me
2022-07-25 19:38:17 +0200 <geekosaur> hm, pinentry worked for me until I told it to put my key in my login keyring
2022-07-25 19:40:56 +0200 <geekosaur> (then I stopped seeing it, as I intended)
2022-07-25 19:42:24 +0200 <geekosaur> (are we talking about the same pinentry, though? you shouldn't be able to run xprop on it…)
2022-07-25 19:45:41 +0200 <elonsroadster[m]> why not? its a xwindow
2022-07-25 19:45:47 +0200 <elonsroadster[m]> i was definitely able to run xprop on it
2022-07-25 19:45:54 +0200 <elonsroadster[m]> for me it actually gets minimized atm
2022-07-25 19:45:57 +0200 <elonsroadster[m]> which is very strange
2022-07-25 19:47:35 +0200 <geekosaur> it does a grab to isolate itself from other programs that might try to snoop your key
2022-07-25 19:49:11 +0200 <geekosaur> while the intended effect is to prevent other programs from snooping key events, it also means all key events get sent to it, so you shouldn't be able to focus another window and run xprop
2022-07-25 19:51:02 +0200 <elonsroadster[m]> hmmm thats not what happens for me
2022-07-25 19:53:12 +0200 <geekosaur> it does have an option to drop its grab on focusing another window, intended for debugging; maybe yours is configured that way. (bad thing though, it's unsafe)
2022-07-25 19:53:36 +0200 <elonsroadster[m]> im using pinentry gtk
2022-07-25 19:53:56 +0200 <elonsroadster[m]> with a totally stock config
2022-07-25 19:54:18 +0200 <geekosaur> --no-global-grab, -g
2022-07-25 19:54:18 +0200 <geekosaur> Grab the keyboard only when the window is focused. Use this option if you are debugging software using pinentry-gnome3; otherwise you may not be able to to access your X session anymore (unless you have other means to connect to the machine to kill pinentry-gnome3).
2022-07-25 19:54:38 +0200 <geekosaur> should be the same for other X11-based pinentry variants
2022-07-25 19:56:38 +0200 <elonsroadster[m]> yeah i dont think im using that though
2022-07-25 19:57:33 +0200 <geekosaur> I think pinentry-gtk has a similar option, because it's nearly useless without it. (it is about *security*, not merely about popping a dialog for a program in the background)
2022-07-25 20:15:23 +0200 <liskin> pinentry works here out of the box
2022-07-25 20:15:41 +0200 <liskin> I presume it just uses the core functinality of fixed size ⇒ float
2022-07-25 20:16:02 +0200 <liskin> which can probably be broken by a suitably weird manageHook
2022-07-25 20:17:59 +0200 <liskin> (I can check with Xephyr and the non-contrib "xmonad def" but I'm fairly busy with life in general so I'd rather postpone it until someone suggests it's actually broken)
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2022-07-25 21:19:17 +0200 <tjmciver> Hello. My caps lock key stopped working recently. It may have been when going from xmonad 0.15 to 0.17. Is that expected? Am I supposed to set up an explicit key binding for it?
2022-07-25 21:29:17 +0200 <geekosaur> xmonad shouldn't have any effect on caps lock
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2022-07-25 22:02:16 +0200 <tjmciver> geekosaur, thanks, I'll look elsewhere then.
2022-07-25 22:03:27 +0200 <geekosaur> only thing I can think of is some keyboard configuration is no longer being loaded, possibly see if your distro desupported xmodmap and you have to use Xkb now or something
2022-07-25 22:06:20 +0200 <tjmciver> I'm running NixOS so I stronly suspect the issue to be there.
2022-07-25 22:11:12 +0200wusticality(~wusticali@c-67-161-204-49.hsd1.co.comcast.net)
2022-07-25 22:11:45 +0200 <wusticality> hey folks, I'm trying to use xset to bump my keyboard repeat speed on startup, but it never seems to work when running it from my ~/.xinitrc
2022-07-25 22:11:49 +0200 <wusticality> Even tried something like this:
2022-07-25 22:12:08 +0200 <wusticality> (sleep 6 && xset r rate 264 48) &
2022-07-25 22:12:20 +0200 <wusticality> just curious if there's a better, more reliable way (and also one that works haha)
2022-07-25 22:12:26 +0200 <wusticality> I'm assuming it's some kind of timing issue
2022-07-25 22:13:10 +0200 <geekosaur> if you run it in a terminal, do you get an error message?
2022-07-25 22:15:24 +0200 <wusticality> nope, works just fine if I run it from a terminal
2022-07-25 22:15:40 +0200 <wusticality> Tried both from xmonad.hs (via spawnOnce) and in .xinitrc, and neither work
2022-07-25 22:15:50 +0200 <wusticality> perhaps xmonad is launching before x has finished booting up?
2022-07-25 22:15:54 +0200 <wusticality> that's all i can think
2022-07-25 22:16:00 +0200 <wusticality> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=104338
2022-07-25 22:16:11 +0200 <wusticality> that thread seems to say as much, but none of their solutions work for me thus far
2022-07-25 22:18:44 +0200 <geekosaur> xmonad would crash in that case
2022-07-25 22:19:00 +0200 <geekosaur> the first thing it does is openDisplay
2022-07-25 22:22:21 +0200 <wusticality> are you saying xmonad.hs doesn't fire up until x is fully initialized?
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2022-07-25 22:23:46 +0200 <geekosaur> xmonad.hs would crash if X were not fully initialized
2022-07-25 22:24:02 +0200 <geekosaur> with an error in openDisplay
2022-07-25 22:24:10 +0200 <wusticality1> strange, I wonder why it's not working
2022-07-25 22:24:18 +0200 <wusticality1> maybe spawn instead of spawnOnce?
2022-07-25 22:24:20 +0200 <geekosaur> possibly something is overriding it
2022-07-25 22:24:52 +0200 <geekosaur> wait, you're doing this in your xmonad.hs? although I guess that shouldn't matter
2022-07-25 22:25:44 +0200 <wusticality1> well, i was trying it in ~/.xinitrc first
2022-07-25 22:25:46 +0200 <wusticality1> but that didn't work
2022-07-25 22:25:56 +0200 <wusticality1> that file is definitely being hit though cause I have xnumlock & in there
2022-07-25 22:25:58 +0200 <wusticality1> and that works fine
2022-07-25 22:27:15 +0200 <geekosaur> so that would suggest something is overriding it.
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2022-07-25 22:31:13 +0200 <wusticality1> boy, I have no idea what - certainly nothing I've setup
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2022-07-25 22:52:54 +0200 <wusticality1> out of mere curiosity, all these commands are x-specific - what happens if you use wayland?
2022-07-25 22:53:06 +0200 <wusticality1> hoping there are analogs for that
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2022-07-25 23:21:55 +0200 <tjmciver> Hi. I'm looking for some pointers on correctly using `avoidStruts`. Currently, it works correctly for my laptop screen where I have xmobar, but I also get a "strut" on one of my two external monitors. I have been manually toggling it off but I want to prevent that in the config. Also, I have no strut on my second external monitor and cannot toggle it so I'm confused about how xmonad is deciding what to do here.
2022-07-25 23:21:59 +0200 <geekosaur> I have no idea. I don't trust Wayland enough to consider it
2022-07-25 23:22:52 +0200 <geekosaur> struts come from windows. avoidStruts attempts to apply them, but misusing it can lead to surprises
2022-07-25 23:23:29 +0200 <tjmciver> Do I need to use `avoidStrutsOn` instead?
2022-07-25 23:27:20 +0200 <geekosaur> can I see your layoutHook?
2022-07-25 23:27:46 +0200 <geekosaur> (I use avoidStrutsOn but that's to have them default off on one workspace while allowing me to toggle them on at times)
2022-07-25 23:31:33 +0200 <tjmciver> My config is pretty sparse: https://gitlab.com/tmciver/home-manager-config/-/blob/master/programs/xmonad/config.hs#L32
2022-07-25 23:35:50 +0200 <geekosaur> avoidStruts on the outside should be good. I wonder if xsmobar knows about multiple monitors (if it doesn't then it's liable to allocate a strut across the whole root window)
2022-07-25 23:36:38 +0200 <geekosaur> you might use `xprop _NET_WM_STRUT_PARTIAL` in a terminal, then click on xmobar and paste the result here (it'll be a bunch of numbers)
2022-07-25 23:37:16 +0200wusticality1(~wusticali@c-67-161-204-49.hsd1.co.comcast.net)
2022-07-25 23:37:55 +0200 <wusticality1> tried this, but it also didn't work :(
2022-07-25 23:37:56 +0200 <wusticality1> https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xorg/Keyboard_configuration#Adjusting_typematic_delay_and_rate
2022-07-25 23:40:31 +0200 <tjmciver> Running that and clicking xmobar gives "_NET_WM_STRUT_PARTIAL(CARDINAL) = 0, 0, 1099, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1727, 0, 0" but . . .
2022-07-25 23:41:07 +0200 <tjmciver> I also have trayer in the top right on my laptop screen and doing the same for that gives "_NET_WM_STRUT_PARTIAL(CARDINAL) = 0, 0, 19, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1728, 1919, 0, 0" FWIW.
2022-07-25 23:41:40 +0200 <tjmciver> Maybe it's trayer that's causing a strut on that external monitor.
2022-07-25 23:43:05 +0200 <tjmciver> Also, some of the args I'm passing to trayer are "--SetDockType true", "--SetPartialStrut true" and "--expand true", in case one of them may be the cause.
2022-07-25 23:44:04 +0200 <tjmciver> but I also have "--monitor primary" which I would expect to restrict it to only the primary monitor.
2022-07-25 23:44:05 +0200 <geekosaur> those seem okay for a normal 1920x1080 screen.
2022-07-25 23:44:24 +0200 <wusticality1> geekosaur: ever use that approach?
2022-07-25 23:45:50 +0200 <geekosaur> which approach, changing xmorg.conf? I'd be very worried if that doesn't work
2022-07-25 23:46:49 +0200 <wusticality1> specifically, i added a file here: /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/00-keyboard.conf
2022-07-25 23:47:02 +0200 <wusticality1> per the instructions I guess
2022-07-25 23:48:32 +0200 <geekosaur> kmight check for an "EE" in Xorg.0.log referencing what you added
2022-07-25 23:48:44 +0200 <wusticality1> sec
2022-07-25 23:50:48 +0200 <wusticality1> Only thing I'm seeing in that file is this: "[ 34.042] (EE) systemd-logind: failed to release device: Device not taken"
2022-07-25 23:51:23 +0200 <wusticality1> However, in Xorg.1.log, I see this line at the end: "[ 44.897] (EE) event2 - SteelSeries SteelSeries Apex Pro: client bug: event processing lagging behind by 26ms, your system is too slow"
2022-07-25 23:51:32 +0200 <wusticality1> Which is just odd