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2022-07-04 00:30:24 +0000 <geekosaur> figuring out that X11 doesn't really support alpha internally had a lot to do with that
2022-07-04 00:49:29 +0000 <Lears> scotabroad[m]: X.L.Tabbed does vertical decorations.
2022-07-04 00:50:43 +0000 <geekosaur> hm, okay, so that means Decoration should work fine for that
2022-07-04 00:50:51 +0000 <geekosaur> I forgot about vertical tabs
2022-07-04 00:53:27 +0000 <scotabroad[m]> Lears: Ooh, I am going to look more into that
2022-07-04 01:14:48 +0000 <liskin> oh my I'm so glad we have CI but I wish I waited for it before opening a PR and making an idiot of myself :-)
2022-07-04 01:15:53 +0000 <geekosaur> I got nailed by a tab (damn nvim anyway) and had to hurriedly force-push 🙂
2022-07-04 01:16:49 +0000 <liskin> oh you got nvim already :-o
2022-07-04 01:17:21 +0000 <liskin> anyway, I'm like 140 minutes past the time I should've gone to sleep so …
2022-07-04 01:17:22 +0000 <geekosaur> mostly I use emacs but it's annoying to open a new frame for quickish changes
2022-07-04 01:17:27 +0000 <geekosaur> gnite
2022-07-04 01:17:41 +0000 <geekosaur> someone can deal with our PRs tomorrow
2022-07-04 01:17:56 +0000 <liskin> good job on the colors stuff btw, but I'm not commenting on it today :-)
2022-07-04 01:18:06 +0000 <liskin> gnite
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2022-07-04 11:33:35 +0000 <deepy> Do I need to do anything magical in xmobar to get utf8 to work? Debian promises they're building with full unicode support but if I cat a file or if I have a window with traditional chinese characters in it they all get messed up :-(
2022-07-04 11:44:15 +0000 <MrElendig> messed up how?
2022-07-04 11:46:27 +0000 <deepy> I'm getting latin characters instead: https://i.imgur.com/6ETUL4n.png
2022-07-04 11:46:59 +0000 <deepy> 2&3>J? is one heck of an artist name though :-)
2022-07-04 11:50:00 +0000 <deepy> 黑超 shows as }YD6
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2022-07-04 11:58:36 +0000 <vrs> check that your env has set the correct locale, the desktop session doesn't read its env variables from the same place as shell sessions
2022-07-04 11:58:52 +0000 <vrs> also sometimes it's a font problem
2022-07-04 11:59:52 +0000 <vrs> you can test that by starting your xmobar from a shell with the correct locale
2022-07-04 12:02:40 +0000 <deepy> starting with the correct locale I still get the same issue
2022-07-04 12:03:30 +0000 <deepy> ah, it's probably fonts, it works fine with åäö and those aren't latin1
2022-07-04 12:03:37 +0000 <deepy> thanks!
2022-07-04 12:10:25 +0000 <fizzie> That's a bit confusing statement, because åäö *are* part of the Latin 1 (ISO-8859-1) repertoire. (Perhaps not encoded as such in your specific instance, but still.)
2022-07-04 12:11:29 +0000 <deepy> it's probably fonts, it worked fine with a particular set of utf8 åäös :-)
2022-07-04 12:12:34 +0000 <geekosaur> still doesn't make a whole lot of sense…
2022-07-04 12:13:02 +0000 <deepy> Okay, it's probably fonts, it worked with חיפוש and Hebrew on IRC is what initially got me to learn about encodings
2022-07-04 12:15:21 +0000geekosaurwonders if that's big5 encoded
2022-07-04 12:16:23 +0000 <geekosaur> nope
2022-07-04 12:16:38 +0000 <geekosaur> seems like a double byte encoding of some kind
2022-07-04 12:18:38 +0000 <alternateved> Not sure if that is connected, but I also have issues with rendering some symbols on xmobar - mostly window titles
2022-07-04 12:19:33 +0000 <alternateved> Like if there are some polish characters such as ąęćóśł, they do not get rendered at all
2022-07-04 12:20:22 +0000 <geekosaur> hm. I don't but I use xmonad-log-applet which uses pango so there's rarely a problem with such characters these days
2022-07-04 12:21:17 +0000 <alternateved> Not sure, what is the problem here. Weirdly enough I can render those characters anywhere else - like in plugins, as a string or as a workspace name
2022-07-04 12:21:32 +0000 <alternateved> So it is not font
2022-07-04 12:21:49 +0000dschrempf(~dominik@mobiledyn-62-240-134-178.mrsn.at)
2022-07-04 12:22:46 +0000 <deepy> I tried adding 黑超 directly into xmobar and that didn't work for me either
2022-07-04 12:23:18 +0000 <geekosaur> there's a separate ppTitleSanitize, might check that
2022-07-04 12:23:47 +0000 <geekosaur> xmobar is supposed to handle utf8 but I don't know much in the way of details since I don't use it
2022-07-04 12:29:13 +0000 <vrs> those chinese chars work for me, at least in window titles
2022-07-04 12:36:26 +0000 <deepy> Anything out of the ordinary in your setup?
2022-07-04 12:39:48 +0000 <vrs> locale is en_US.UTF-8 (I set this somewhere global, forgot where), fontstring is "xft:Terminus (TTF):pixelsize=12,Fairfax:pixelsize=12,Unifont:pixelsize=12"
2022-07-04 12:40:17 +0000 <vrs> unifont is ugly but has almost everything so it's an okay fallback
2022-07-04 12:44:12 +0000 <vrs> kind of annoyingly, some cyrillic chars have really weird lowercase forms in this, but at least I don't get mojibake
2022-07-04 12:48:45 +0000 <vrs> putting the chars directly into my config also works fine
2022-07-04 12:49:21 +0000 <deepy> AR PL UKai HK:style=Book works for me, and looks pretty nice
2022-07-04 12:49:29 +0000 <deepy> It was fonts, thanks everyone :-)
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2022-07-04 12:56:36 +0000 <Guest27> Hello! I'm studying design of haskell projects, and came across denotational design. Has anybody here used it?
2022-07-04 12:58:14 +0000 <geekosaur> not really. xmonad is about as procedural as haskell gets, since it's a thin layer atop Xlib. you might ask in #haskell though
2022-07-04 12:58:49 +0000 <geekosaur> functional reactive programming might be of interest, but it's still very much in development so I don't think any major projects use it yet
2022-07-04 13:02:25 +0000 <alternateved> FRP in development? What do you mean by that?
2022-07-04 13:02:44 +0000thunderrd(~thunderrd@183.182.115.193) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2022-07-04 13:03:09 +0000 <geekosaur> it's a research topic still
2022-07-04 13:03:37 +0000 <alternateved> Ah, I am just surprised, I work for company where FRP is used
2022-07-04 13:03:44 +0000 <geekosaur> there are libraries for it (e.g. reactive-banana) but it's not really up to production use yet
2022-07-04 13:04:21 +0000 <geekosaur> and I know Obsidian has some stuff that is largely dependent on fixes to Control.Arrow, which really does need a redesign
2022-07-04 13:04:22 +0000 <Guest27> Well, all I'm trying to do is write better code. I recently wrote a hang-man in Haskell but wasn't very pleased by how the code look (https://codereview.stackexchange.com/questions/277633/hangman-game-in-haskell-written-using-a-stat…)
2022-07-04 13:04:34 +0000 <Guest27> Found denotational design and thought it might help me write more idiomatic code
2022-07-04 13:04:54 +0000 <geekosaur> right, you'll do better in #haskell then
2022-07-04 13:05:12 +0000 <alternateved> Yeah, Obsidian use reflex: https://reflex-frp.org/
2022-07-04 13:07:24 +0000 <Guest27> alright, thanks for the tip!
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2022-07-04 13:29:53 +0000 <Jade1> Hello, I'm having problems setting up xmonad. Everything works but besides having `((modm , xK_w), kill)` in my `xmonad.hs` it will not kill the window
2022-07-04 13:30:20 +0000 <Jade1> Everything else works as I said, including the mod key and "normal" keybindings
2022-07-04 13:32:49 +0000 <geekosaur> @paste
2022-07-04 13:32:49 +0000 <lambdabot> A pastebin: https://paste.debian.net/
2022-07-04 13:32:56 +0000 <geekosaur> bah
2022-07-04 13:32:59 +0000 <geekosaur> @where paste
2022-07-04 13:32:59 +0000 <lambdabot> Help us help you: please paste full code, input and/or output at e.g. https://paste.tomsmeding.com
2022-07-04 13:33:06 +0000 <geekosaur> can you show us your config?
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2022-07-04 13:35:51 +0000 <Jade1> https://paste.tomsmeding.com/xeXQw7ib
2022-07-04 13:35:59 +0000 <Jade1> thats the entire config
2022-07-04 13:37:12 +0000 <geekosaur> right, you still have the multiscreen part at the end, and it rebinds mod-w, mod-e, mod-r to that
2022-07-04 13:37:24 +0000 <geekosaur> so your rebinding of mod-w gets overwritten
2022-07-04 13:37:36 +0000 <geekosaur> see line 145
2022-07-04 13:37:48 +0000 <Jade1> oh yeah I see, thanks a bunch
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2022-07-04 13:39:37 +0000 <Jade1> I deleted those lines but it still does not work
2022-07-04 13:39:55 +0000 <Jade1> saved file, restarted xmonad etc.
2022-07-04 13:40:05 +0000 <geekosaur> the way that particular config works, it starts with the default bindings and then overwrites them with the default bindings again
2022-07-04 13:40:45 +0000 <Jade1> hm? I thought the `keys = ...` set a new keybinding scheme
2022-07-04 13:42:13 +0000 <Jade1> how can I make this work?
2022-07-04 13:42:18 +0000 <geekosaur> whoops, I though I had stopped short of sending that so I could check if your config was actually doing that, sorry
2022-07-04 13:43:05 +0000 <geekosaur> the usual one does a `union` of that with the defaults (there are a lot of passed-around configs that do that, it's kinda stupid to do that kind of duplication but it's really common)
2022-07-04 13:43:37 +0000 <geekosaur> so I'm not seeing it unless your recompile didn't work and you didn't get an error popup. what does `xmonad --recompile` in a terminal do?
2022-07-04 13:44:51 +0000 <geekosaur> (my head is kinda somewhere else today, sorry, waiting for my sister to arrive for a family thing)
2022-07-04 13:45:12 +0000 <Jade1> Ahhhhh, I did not remove the `++` to concat the lists ... resulted in a syntax error
2022-07-04 13:45:19 +0000 <Jade1> now it works. Thanks a bunch!
2022-07-04 13:45:25 +0000 <geekosaur> yep, I suspected that
2022-07-04 13:45:29 +0000 <geekosaur> no problem
2022-07-04 13:45:49 +0000 <geekosaur> and 0.15 didn';t reliably show error popups
2022-07-04 13:46:08 +0000 <geekosaur> (we're on 0.17 now but very few distros have picked it up for some reason)
2022-07-04 13:47:57 +0000 <Jade1> nope
2022-07-04 13:49:12 +0000 <geekosaur> hm, if you're on 0.17 then you should have gotten a popup. unless xmessage isn't installed but most distros put in a dependency on it
2022-07-04 13:49:30 +0000 <geekosaur> if you used cabal or stack to install then you probably want to install xmessage
2022-07-04 13:50:43 +0000 <Jade1> I'm on 0.15
2022-07-04 13:50:50 +0000 <Jade1> as by `xmonad --version`
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