| 2022-06-10 00:42:50 +0200 | chomwitt | (~chomwitt@2a02:587:dc1f:5600:28f0:c157:4d87:4f4e) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
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| 2022-06-10 04:21:46 +0200 | banc | (banc@gateway/vpn/airvpn/banc) |
| 2022-06-10 04:41:16 +0200 | terrorjack | (~terrorjac@2a01:4f8:1c1e:509a::1) (Quit: The Lounge - https://thelounge.chat) |
| 2022-06-10 04:43:46 +0200 | terrorjack | (~terrorjac@2a01:4f8:1c1e:509a::1) |
| 2022-06-10 04:45:44 +0200 | mvk | (~mvk@2607:fea8:5ce3:8500::ba9a) |
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| 2022-06-10 06:15:25 +0200 | chomwitt | (~chomwitt@2a02:587:dc1f:5600:b0ac:64b:5946:8d06) |
| 2022-06-10 07:11:45 +0200 | liskin | already on the way to ZuriHac, awake since 5 am š„± |
| 2022-06-10 07:18:52 +0200 | benin | (~benin@183.82.179.200) |
| 2022-06-10 07:21:43 +0200 | <Solid[m]> | oh shit |
| 2022-06-10 07:21:45 +0200 | <Solid[m]> | get hyped |
| 2022-06-10 07:22:03 +0200 | <Solid[m]> | I'll be there at some point 2200 tonight so can't take part in any socialising :/ |
| 2022-06-10 07:31:37 +0200 | <liskin> | I'll only socialise today with a friend from high school I haven't seen in a while, so I'll miss the opportunity to make early connections too :-/ |
| 2022-06-10 07:32:40 +0200 | <liskin> | Should have thought about the warm up party earlier and made different plans. Next time. :-) |
| 2022-06-10 07:36:38 +0200 | <Solid> | ah yeah it's probably not that big of a deal |
| 2022-06-10 07:38:17 +0200 | <Solid> | the fact that ed kmett can't come is sad though, as I won't be able to join the Discord voice channels :/ |
| 2022-06-10 07:38:24 +0200 | <Solid> | but, as you said, next time :) |
| 2022-06-10 07:43:05 +0200 | <liskin> | How does the bridge deal with threads, btw? Do you simply not see any messages in threads or are they mixed together with the channel? |
| 2022-06-10 07:44:31 +0200 | <liskin> | (the only active thread right now is the accommodation/camping one with a couple messages near midnight from Tobias et al) |
| 2022-06-10 07:45:14 +0200 | <liskin> | I must confess I quite like the way threads are implemented in Discord. |
| 2022-06-10 07:47:51 +0200 | <Solid> | I only see one message in #accomodation about Moxy, so my guess is that they're being swallowed |
| 2022-06-10 07:50:11 +0200 | <liskin> | That's a bit stupid :-/ |
| 2022-06-10 07:51:50 +0200 | <Solid> | indeed, but I just hope nothing of interest will be communicated only through threads :) |
| 2022-06-10 07:55:24 +0200 | <Solid> | I don't know how heavily digital communication things will be used during the conference anyways |
| 2022-06-10 07:55:37 +0200 | <Solid> | surely you'd just walk up to someone? |
| 2022-06-10 07:57:48 +0200 | <liskin> | Yeah the important info is out of threads, I just thought it'd be handy for the outdoors/hallway/pub track :-) |
| 2022-06-10 08:18:39 +0200 | Guest67 | (~Guest67@2607:fea8:7ca0:2270:235d:ef1e:899d:eab2) |
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| 2022-06-10 08:57:02 +0200 | cfricke | (~cfricke@user/cfricke) |
| 2022-06-10 09:15:13 +0200 | trillpoli[m]1 | (~trillpoli@2001:470:69fc:105::da4e) () |
| 2022-06-10 09:17:31 +0200 | thunderrd | (~thunderrd@183.182.114.81) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2022-06-10 10:10:08 +0200 | spaceseller | (~spacesell@31.147.205.13) |
| 2022-06-10 10:11:50 +0200 | <spaceseller> | still cannot find the solution why xmobar does not show on startup but it shows after logout/login. |
| 2022-06-10 10:13:25 +0200 | <spaceseller> | I put the ~/.local/bin/xmonad in .bashrc |
| 2022-06-10 10:13:57 +0200 | <spaceseller> | as well as in .xinitrc .bashrc_profile, everywhere |
| 2022-06-10 10:14:17 +0200 | <davve_> | have you tried spawning it from xmonad? |
| 2022-06-10 10:14:30 +0200 | <davve_> | i use polybar and use this to spwan it wehen i log in |
| 2022-06-10 10:14:54 +0200 | <spaceseller> | on xmonad 0.17? |
| 2022-06-10 10:15:08 +0200 | <davve_> | on 0.15 |
| 2022-06-10 10:15:25 +0200 | <davve_> | in the startup hook |
| 2022-06-10 10:15:52 +0200 | <lyiriyah[m]> | spaceseller: You need to spawn it from xmonad. I recommend reading the tutorial: https://xmonad.org/TUTORIAL.html |
| 2022-06-10 10:19:28 +0200 | <spaceseller> | I'm reading that. Looking what exactely you mean spawn |
| 2022-06-10 10:20:24 +0200 | <spaceseller> | main :: IO () |
| 2022-06-10 10:20:24 +0200 | <spaceseller> | main = xmonad |
| 2022-06-10 10:20:24 +0200 | <spaceseller> | . ewmhFullscreen |
| 2022-06-10 10:20:24 +0200 | <spaceseller> | . ewmh |
| 2022-06-10 10:20:24 +0200 | <spaceseller> | =<< statusBar "xmobar" def toggleStrutsKey myConfig |
| 2022-06-10 10:20:25 +0200 | <spaceseller> | where |
| 2022-06-10 10:20:27 +0200 | <spaceseller> | toggleStrutsKey :: XConfig Layout -> (KeyMask, KeySym) |
| 2022-06-10 10:20:29 +0200 | <spaceseller> | toggleStrutsKey XConfig{ modMask = m } = (m, xK_b) |
| 2022-06-10 10:20:31 +0200 | <spaceseller> | worked fine |
| 2022-06-10 10:20:43 +0200 | <spaceseller> | until I changed the version |
| 2022-06-10 10:21:23 +0200 | <spaceseller> | i.e. xmonad-git from AUR replaced with git version and compiled with stack |
| 2022-06-10 10:21:56 +0200 | <spaceseller> | and then xmonad path ~/.local/bin/ |
| 2022-06-10 10:22:42 +0200 | <spaceseller> | code stayed the same |
| 2022-06-10 10:25:45 +0200 | <spaceseller> | sorry, I pasted the wrong code |
| 2022-06-10 10:26:00 +0200 | <spaceseller> | I have this i xmonad.hs |
| 2022-06-10 10:27:50 +0200 | <spaceseller> | https://pastebin.com/pnaVnz0Q |
| 2022-06-10 10:29:34 +0200 | <spaceseller> | I will be back, need to try something and reboot |
| 2022-06-10 10:29:36 +0200 | spaceseller | (~spacesell@31.147.205.13) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2022-06-10 10:37:08 +0200 | spaceseller | (~spacesell@31.147.205.13) |
| 2022-06-10 10:37:42 +0200 | <spaceseller> | I'm back, not solved. |
| 2022-06-10 10:38:04 +0200 | <spaceseller> | can I see some logs from xmonad? |
| 2022-06-10 10:38:30 +0200 | <spaceseller> | it is wierd that logout and login after reboot |
| 2022-06-10 10:38:50 +0200 | <spaceseller> | shows up xmobar |
| 2022-06-10 10:40:09 +0200 | <spaceseller> | xmobar is in /usr/bin while xmonad is in ~/.local/bin |
| 2022-06-10 12:28:00 +0200 | spaceseller | (~spacesell@31.147.205.13) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2022-06-10 12:31:49 +0200 | spaceseller | (~spacesell@31.147.205.13) |
| 2022-06-10 12:32:39 +0200 | <spaceseller> | it flashes for a second and dissapears. |
| 2022-06-10 12:46:29 +0200 | spaceseller | (~spacesell@31.147.205.13) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2022-06-10 13:07:02 +0200 | alternateved | (~alternate@217.138.209.85) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2022-06-10 13:44:23 +0200 | <davve_> | do you guys use xmobar? |
| 2022-06-10 13:48:39 +0200 | spaceseller | (~spacesell@31.147.205.13) |
| 2022-06-10 13:48:54 +0200 | <geekosaur> | spaceseller, logs should be in ~/.xsession-errors |
| 2022-06-10 13:49:10 +0200 | <geekosaur> | davve_, I don't, but many people here do |
| 2022-06-10 13:49:37 +0200 | <spaceseller> | yea, I found it. and it says: |
| 2022-06-10 13:52:19 +0200 | <spaceseller> | https://pastebin.com/Dazvagky |
| 2022-06-10 13:55:13 +0200 | <geekosaur> | none of those seem to be fronm xmobar |
| 2022-06-10 13:58:43 +0200 | <spaceseller> | I wonder why arch do not have the latest xmonad/xmobar in its repository. |
| 2022-06-10 13:59:28 +0200 | <geekosaur> | nobody has it for some reason |
| 2022-06-10 13:59:52 +0200 | <spaceseller> | and the reason is? |
| 2022-06-10 14:00:04 +0200 | <geekosaur> | the word we hear is haskell maintainers keep abandoning normal distributions for Nix |
| 2022-06-10 14:00:45 +0200 | <Solid> | the BSDs have it :) |
| 2022-06-10 14:00:56 +0200 | <spaceseller> | uh |
| 2022-06-10 14:04:39 +0200 | <spaceseller> | the whole world is running by someone interests? |
| 2022-06-10 14:14:00 +0200 | <spaceseller> | I thought that arch is excluded from that. That is why I start with it. |
| 2022-06-10 14:22:10 +0200 | <spaceseller> | see you, I must go. |
| 2022-06-10 14:22:46 +0200 | spaceseller | (~spacesell@31.147.205.13) (Quit: Leaving) |
| 2022-06-10 14:53:07 +0200 | <geekosaur> | @tell spaceseller this is very odd because it actually suggests a bug in lightdm when something behaves that differently between sessions |
| 2022-06-10 14:53:07 +0200 | <lambdabot> | Consider it noted. |
| 2022-06-10 15:02:07 +0200 | alternateved | (~alternate@82.180.151.130) |
| 2022-06-10 15:04:49 +0200 | jao | (~jao@cpc103048-sgyl39-2-0-cust502.18-2.cable.virginm.net) |
| 2022-06-10 15:28:40 +0200 | <davve_> | is xmobar still being developed? |
| 2022-06-10 15:33:38 +0200 | <geekosaur[m]> | Yes and a few of the developers hang out here |
| 2022-06-10 15:38:00 +0200 | <davve_> | cool |
| 2022-06-10 15:38:23 +0200 | <davve_> | maybe i will give it another try sometime |
| 2022-06-10 15:38:50 +0200 | <davve_> | but honestly i am liking polybar a lot... for me since im more comfortable with shell scripts than haskell atleast. simple and pretty... |
| 2022-06-10 15:39:26 +0200 | <davve_> | works well with XMonad.Hooks.EwmhDesktops |
| 2022-06-10 15:43:58 +0200 | <geekosaur> | nobody said you have to use xmobar with xmonad, it's just popular |
| 2022-06-10 15:44:19 +0200 | <geekosaur> | strictly speaking it's an unrelated project |
| 2022-06-10 15:45:29 +0200 | <alternateved> | You could easily use shell scripts with xmobar. There is a Com plugin for that. |
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| 2022-06-10 20:48:21 +0200 | Guest86 | (~Guest86@c83-251-160-169.bredband.tele2.se) |
| 2022-06-10 20:49:13 +0200 | <Guest86> | Hey! Is anybody experienced with scratchpads here? |
| 2022-06-10 20:51:34 +0200 | <geekosaur> | I use them |
| 2022-06-10 20:51:59 +0200 | <geekosaur> | well, NamedScratchpad; at the moment we have 3 different kinds of scratchpads and need to clean them up a bit :) |
| 2022-06-10 20:54:50 +0200 | <mc47[m]> | slot-[m] liskin @liskin:libera.chat: are you joining/at one of the groups this evening? |
| 2022-06-10 20:59:30 +0200 | <Guest86> | Could anyone give an idea as to why no scratchpad is showing up in my/this config? https://pastebin.com/MGQ5V967 |
| 2022-06-10 21:01:21 +0200 | Guest67 | (~Guest67@2607:fea8:7ca0:2270:235d:ef1e:899d:eab2) (Quit: Client closed) |
| 2022-06-10 21:01:38 +0200 | <geekosaur> | is "st" in /usr/bin, or somewhere else? |
| 2022-06-10 21:02:19 +0200 | <Guest86> | according to which: /usr/local/bin/st |
| 2022-06-10 21:02:31 +0200 | <geekosaur> | typically xmonad gets started without $PATH set, so things wokr in terminals but not directly from xmonad. which is difficult when your terminal isn't in /usr/bin |
| 2022-06-10 21:02:57 +0200 | <Guest86> | Interesting! I'll try to fix that right away! |
| 2022-06-10 21:03:05 +0200 | <geekosaur> | so either use a full PATH or use System.Environment.setEnv to set "PATH" in main |
| 2022-06-10 21:04:18 +0200 | <geekosaur> | (I use a wrapper script for xmonad instead so I don't have to update my PATH in multiple places) |
| 2022-06-10 21:04:41 +0200 | <Guest86> | Did try using the full path. Didn't work sadly. It seems weird though, the usual binding for opening 'st' has worked either way! |
| 2022-06-10 21:04:48 +0200 | <Guest86> | Ah! |
| 2022-06-10 21:04:53 +0200 | <geekosaur> | interesting |
| 2022-06-10 21:06:37 +0200 | <geekosaur> | oh. do you actually have a "section" key, or do you have to press additional keys to get it? the interface xmonad uses for key bindings only supports the core plane of the keyboard, plus added modifiers like `modm` |
| 2022-06-10 21:08:47 +0200 | <Guest86> | I do, but just to be certain i switched to xK_e, which didn't work either! |
| 2022-06-10 21:09:36 +0200 | <Guest86> | It all compiles and I've followed separate tutorials, so maybe it just doesn't work! |
| 2022-06-10 21:12:24 +0200 | <geekosaur> | just dug into st, it doesn't want -name, it wants -n |
| 2022-06-10 21:12:37 +0200 | <geekosaur> | presumably it chokes on the rest of the parameter |
| 2022-06-10 21:14:08 +0200 | <Guest86> | Oh thanks, you went beyond! I tried it (along w. full path and xK_e to be safe) but it didn't work. |
| 2022-06-10 21:14:27 +0200 | <geekosaur> | can you repaste your config? |
| 2022-06-10 21:14:35 +0200 | <Guest86> | Absolutely |
| 2022-06-10 21:14:47 +0200 | <Guest86> | I did admittedly remove some unnecessary blocks |
| 2022-06-10 21:15:20 +0200 | <Guest86> | Here's it, full: https://pastebin.com/a9wJssMy |
| 2022-06-10 21:15:53 +0200 | twiclo1 | (~twiclo@vpn.utahbroadband.com) |
| 2022-06-10 21:21:00 +0200 | <geekosaur> | hm, "st -n test" works here and sets WM_CLASS appropriately, and you're correctly testing `resource` |
| 2022-06-10 21:21:30 +0200 | <geekosaur> | oh! add a space before -n |
| 2022-06-10 21:21:43 +0200 | <liskin> | mc47[m]: no I'm spending the evening at my friend's home today |
| 2022-06-10 21:21:52 +0200 | <Guest86> | If it's appropriate and possible, maybe you could try the config yourself and see if a scratch shows up? |
| 2022-06-10 21:22:10 +0200 | <Guest86> | I'll try!! |
| 2022-06-10 21:22:26 +0200 | <Guest86> | IT WORKS! |
| 2022-06-10 21:22:26 +0200 | <geekosaur> | it's possible and that would be next, but as written it's trying to run "st-n scratchpad" |
| 2022-06-10 21:22:39 +0200 | <Guest86> | oh hell yeah, that even makesĀ sense! |
| 2022-06-10 21:22:50 +0200 | <Guest86> | A big, big thanks! |
| 2022-06-10 21:23:09 +0200 | <geekosaur> | you needed the other fixes anyway but that was the big one |
| 2022-06-10 21:23:24 +0200 | <Guest86> | Haha definitely. Thanks for the other tips as well. |
| 2022-06-10 21:36:56 +0200 | mvk | (~mvk@2607:fea8:5ce3:8500::ba9a) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) |
| 2022-06-10 21:40:18 +0200 | dschrempf | (~dominik@070-207.dynamic.dsl.fonira.net) |
| 2022-06-10 21:43:46 +0200 | dschrempf | (~dominik@070-207.dynamic.dsl.fonira.net) (Client Quit) |
| 2022-06-10 21:49:36 +0200 | mvk | (~mvk@2607:fea8:5ce3:8500::ba9a) |
| 2022-06-10 21:54:40 +0200 | <Solid[m]> | mc47[m]: just arrived in Rapperswil, probably too late for anything but taking a shower now :) |
| 2022-06-10 21:56:19 +0200 | <mc47[m]> | See you tomorrow then, I'm so tired so I'll probably just go to sleep |
| 2022-06-10 21:57:16 +0200 | <Solid[m]> | indeed, really looking forward to it! |
| 2022-06-10 21:58:18 +0200 | <Solid[m]> | geekosaur: we should be down to two scratchpad implementations, now that DynamicScratchpads lives inside NamedScratchpad (hey, it's progress!) |
| 2022-06-10 21:59:19 +0200 | Guest86 | (~Guest86@c83-251-160-169.bredband.tele2.se) (Quit: Client closed) |
| 2022-06-10 22:15:26 +0200 | chomwitt | (~chomwitt@2a02:587:dc1f:5600:518c:c264:c8fd:1f6b) |
| 2022-06-10 22:29:17 +0200 | alternateved | (~alternate@185.244.214.244) |
| 2022-06-10 22:42:30 +0200 | <liskin> | I had a wonderful time at Planet Trail and now I'm sunburnt and maybe a bit FOMOd about the drinks |
| 2022-06-10 22:43:13 +0200 | <liskin> | Probably better than having a massive hangover tomorrow though :-) |
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| 2022-06-10 23:44:06 +0200 | <geekosaur> | maybe I'll poke at folding in Scratchpad this weekend while I'm avoiding rewriting all the color logic :) should be easy, and even possible to use with NS with a bit of cleverness (would someone think of using an empty name? or should we just warn against "scratchpad"?) |
| 2022-06-10 23:45:33 +0200 | <geekosaur> | also one reason I don't particularly want to touch that color logic is I can't convince myself the fallback logic based on root window colors is valid in the general case |
| 2022-06-10 23:45:53 +0200 | <geekosaur> | except we don't support per-window colormaps so I'm also not sure it's invalid |
| 2022-06-10 23:46:40 +0200 | <geekosaur> | and I'd prefer not to deal with WM_COLORMAP_WINDOW since we've gotten away for so long without it, but it'd break the fallback logic completely |
| 2022-06-10 23:48:15 +0200 | liskin | would love to be useful but knows nil about colours in X :-( |
| 2022-06-10 23:48:50 +0200 | <liskin> | Also I have less than 8 hours of sleep left. GN everyone |
| 2022-06-10 23:53:11 +0200 | <geekosaur> | count yourself lucky. there's an argument to be made that every visual type needs its own distinct color handling, although I think you can usually get away with using read-only colormap cells. and in 2022 you can almost(?) pretend PseudoColor doesn't exist, or at least we have been and not heard any complaints I'm aware of |
| 2022-06-10 23:54:16 +0200 | <geekosaur> | (I don't think this is what bit Lycurgus last weekend, as the terminals would have displayed *something* even if we used the wrong colormap) |