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2022-05-10 00:28:58 +0200 <M-elo-[m]> Don't know how to search for this and thus I am here to ask, does `activeColor` only support hex format?
2022-05-10 00:33:11 +0200 <geekosaur> all the color specifications should accept any valid X11 cdolor specification including names from the color database and rgbi: format
2022-05-10 00:37:04 +0200 <M-elo-[m]> Good to know!
2022-05-10 00:38:45 +0200 <geekosaur> https://paste.tomsmeding.com/ysJtgJRg full details (from `man 7 X`)
2022-05-10 00:44:58 +0200 <M-elo-[m]> I wish more software would support the hsl format
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2022-05-10 10:40:38 +0200martin2222(~martin@ip4d16faf8.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de)
2022-05-10 11:35:09 +0200 <martin2222> Hello everyone, I want a Layout like a Multicol, but with one Window per column until say 8 columns and then add more windows to the column the focused window is in
2022-05-10 11:35:35 +0200 <martin2222> Right now it fills up the columns first
2022-05-10 11:38:00 +0200 <martin2222> I did mirror but still not quite the behaviour I want, because now it adds an entire horizontal column
2022-05-10 12:45:32 +0200mj5sim[m](~mj5simmat@2001:470:69fc:105::2:c40)
2022-05-10 13:20:27 +0200dschrempf(~dominik@070-207.dynamic.dsl.fonira.net)
2022-05-10 13:34:21 +0200 <geekosaur> I think that would require writing a new layout. There is IfMax but it doesn't help here
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2022-05-10 14:16:19 +0200 <martin2222> kind of disappointing .. Isn't this the behaviour you would want by default?
2022-05-10 14:17:28 +0200 <martin2222> I have 4k monitor. I don't use all of horizontal space, so I want my windows to be vertically seperated in 4 columns first, but then I still have vertical space to spare
2022-05-10 14:17:43 +0200 <martin2222> however there again I don't need full 4k width
2022-05-10 14:42:57 +0200 <liskin> we definitely need/want a ResizableTall generalized to any number of columns
2022-05-10 14:43:12 +0200 <liskin> I think someone worked on that during last year's ZuriHac
2022-05-10 14:43:31 +0200 <liskin> unfortunately I haven't had a chance to follow up on that since :-(
2022-05-10 14:57:00 +0200 <Solid> martin2222: for 4k monitors there is X.L.LayoutScreens so that you can use "normal" layouts on the respective (virtual) screens
2022-05-10 14:57:09 +0200 <Solid> probably also a way to make that division with xrandr directly
2022-05-10 15:11:21 +0200 <liskin> splitting the screen is probably more suitable for ultrawides (21:9 34" or 32:9/10 40+") but a typical 27" display just needs a three-col or four-col layout, imo
2022-05-10 15:11:50 +0200 <liskin> admittedly a very personal/subjective thing :-)
2022-05-10 15:14:01 +0200 <Solid> shit, a 27" display is 4k nowadays?
2022-05-10 15:14:56 +0200 <Solid> to my mind 4k and "ultrawide" are still synonyms; perhaps I should update that prior
2022-05-10 15:15:05 +0200 <geekosaur> sadly not a lot of work has been put into handling 4K screens because X11 handles them so poorly (there's a reason people want Wayland)
2022-05-10 15:15:34 +0200 <Solid> from what I hear from friends, Wayland does not handle them much better
2022-05-10 15:15:45 +0200 <geekosaur> but it has the potential to
2022-05-10 15:15:58 +0200 <geekosaur> X11's design means they'll never work well
2022-05-10 15:20:05 +0200 <dminuoso> Solid: There's 27" 1440p monitors (which I prefer) :)
2022-05-10 15:20:18 +0200 <dminuoso> 27" 1440p has about the same DPI as a 24" 1080p
2022-05-10 15:20:28 +0200 <dminuoso> So I dont have any issues with X11/Xmonad here
2022-05-10 15:20:32 +0200 <Solid> ah I see
2022-05-10 15:20:34 +0200 <Solid> that sounds pretty nice
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2022-05-10 15:42:37 +0200 <liskin> I'm fairly sure there are <20" 4k displays as well somewhere
2022-05-10 15:43:26 +0200 <liskin> but 4k is most definitely not a synonym for ultrawide, it's a higher res screen, its aspect ratio is a different thing altogether
2022-05-10 15:44:38 +0200 <geekosaur> the first 4k screens were ultrawide but it's spread elsewhere, yeh
2022-05-10 15:44:44 +0200 <liskin> although the naming really is silly; 4K indeed refers to the horizontal resolution according to wikipedia, but that's a fairly useless measure
2022-05-10 15:45:46 +0200 <fizzie> 2x 25" 1440p has been my sweet spot for a while now. Not too high-DPI to have to worry about All That™.
2022-05-10 15:48:36 +0200 <liskin> dminuoso: 27" 1440p is 109ppi whereas 24" 1080p is 92, so I actually find the 27" closer in angular pixel density to 14" 1080p at the typical distances I use these at
2022-05-10 15:49:23 +0200 <liskin> fizzie: do you have abnormally good visual acuity or do you run somewhat larger fonts?
2022-05-10 15:49:40 +0200 <liskin> (perhaps sitting closer to the screen works as well though :-))
2022-05-10 15:49:43 +0200 <geekosaur> I used to see that well…
2022-05-10 15:54:25 +0200 <liskin> hm, you're probably right, it's still much less than a fullhd 14" laptop
2022-05-10 15:54:40 +0200 <liskin> (less ppi)
2022-05-10 15:54:47 +0200martin2222(~martin@ip4d16faf8.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2022-05-10 16:00:46 +0200 <fizzie> A combination of some of those factors, I guess. I seem to be using a 15px tall pixel font in a terminal these days.
2022-05-10 16:02:21 +0200 <fizzie> Here at the office I've 2x 27" 1440p (the default corporate offering was either that or 1x 32" 4K), and I think I unconsciously sit a bit farther back.
2022-05-10 16:05:57 +0200martin2222(~martin@ip4d16faf8.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de)
2022-05-10 16:11:32 +0200 <martin2222> It's 32" UHD Philips 328E1CA I got used for 280 bucks
2022-05-10 16:12:18 +0200 <martin2222> I think I will stick with the multiCol for now. I works fine, but for more than 4 windows I will stick to grid layout
2022-05-10 16:13:30 +0200 <[Leary]> martin2222: If you give Grid the right ratio, it might do what you want from the start.
2022-05-10 16:13:46 +0200 <geekosaur> you can also use IfMax to switch layouts based on the number of windows
2022-05-10 16:15:01 +0200 <martin2222> Don't want to hassle with multiple virtual screens. That seems like a headache
2022-05-10 16:17:05 +0200 <martin2222> [Leary] What would that be? (4:1)
2022-05-10 16:20:46 +0200 <[Leary]> It's been a while since I player with grid ratios, but I recall having to choose something much closer to square than I actually wanted in order to get the desired behaviour. You probably have to play with it a bit.
2022-05-10 16:29:11 +0200dschrempf(~dominik@070-207.dynamic.dsl.fonira.net)
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2022-05-10 17:49:42 +0200 <martin2222> Bin bisher noch nicht ganz überzeugt von Gentoo. Während xmonad 0.17 bereits seit einem halben Jahr von Arch offiziell unterstützt wird, ist bei Gentoo 0.15 gerademal als testing verfügbar.
2022-05-10 17:49:52 +0200 <martin2222> Jetzt muss ich da herumfrickeln mit 0.15
2022-05-10 17:50:54 +0200 <martin2222> Schon klar, dass es schwieriger diese Toolchains auf die Kette (Haha) zu bekommen, als bei binärbasierten Distros, aber das macht es irgendwie noch unpraktischer als es ohnehin schon ist.
2022-05-10 17:51:43 +0200 <geekosaur> channel?
2022-05-10 17:52:02 +0200 <martin2222> oops sorry
2022-05-10 17:52:09 +0200 <geekosaur> (and, er, I had to pull up translate to read that, my German is pretty weak)
2022-05-10 17:53:32 +0200 <geekosaur> also, various distros are still catching up. most are based on Stackage for Haskell stuff, and it took a long time for Stackage LTS to get updated
2022-05-10 17:53:47 +0200 <Solid> martin2222: arch is still on 0.15, if that changes your opinion :>
2022-05-10 17:54:11 +0200 <Solid> there's a PR to update gentoo's version but it's stalled I think
2022-05-10 17:55:13 +0200 <martin2222> Is it, who has adopted it then?
2022-05-10 17:55:50 +0200 <Solid> https://github.com/gentoo/gentoo/pull/23597
2022-05-10 17:55:59 +0200 <Solid> I believe the PR was made by noex
2022-05-10 17:56:04 +0200 <geekosaur> lots of people use xmonad from git because we're prone to not release often enough :)
2022-05-10 17:56:17 +0200 <Solid> that too, yes
2022-05-10 17:56:21 +0200 <geekosaur> and we always make sure git HEAD runs
2022-05-10 17:56:30 +0200 <Solid> and building with stack is very convenient tbh, on any distro
2022-05-10 17:56:39 +0200 <geekosaur> because it's kinda bad for your main computer UI to suddenly crash
2022-05-10 18:12:18 +0200 <martin2222> l,
2022-05-10 18:12:37 +0200 <martin2222> ok I will now try it with cabal, but I'm afraid it will dependencies left and right
2022-05-10 18:13:01 +0200 <geekosaur> dependency footprint is fairly small, even with contrib
2022-05-10 18:13:12 +0200 <geekosaur> the stuff with large dependencies is in xmonad-extras
2022-05-10 18:44:45 +0200stackdroid18(14094@user/stackdroid)
2022-05-10 18:49:22 +0200 <martin2222> Ok now it can't find any XMonad modules ..
2022-05-10 18:49:31 +0200 <martin2222> Do I need to set certain env variables?
2022-05-10 18:50:50 +0200 <geekosaur> did you also install xmonad-contrib? also if you used stack to install then you need a stack.yaml, your best bet is to look at https://xmonad.org/TUTORIAL.html
2022-05-10 18:51:17 +0200 <Solid> I think they said they'd use cabal
2022-05-10 18:51:18 +0200 <geekosaur> if you used cabal then you need to do `cabal install --lib xmonad xmonad-contrib` to export the libraries
2022-05-10 18:51:43 +0200 <geekosaur> in your xmonad config directory
2022-05-10 18:52:40 +0200 <martin2222> ah thank you
2022-05-10 18:53:46 +0200 <martin2222> still don't like this arrangement. The whole thing with gentoo is that have use-flags so portage only compiles what you need.
2022-05-10 18:54:48 +0200 <martin2222> Right now portage does not know anything about xmonad, so it's just a matter of time until I fall on my face with this I suspect.
2022-05-10 18:55:15 +0200 <Solid> doesn't sound very likely to me
2022-05-10 18:55:52 +0200 <Solid> xmonad doesn't really have much in the way of external dependencies except for xlib
2022-05-10 18:57:08 +0200 <martin2222> What about if I were to use a compositor?
2022-05-10 18:58:25 +0200 <martin2222> something like compton
2022-05-10 19:04:29 +0200 <Solid> how would that affect xmonad?
2022-05-10 19:18:27 +0200 <geekosaur> xmonad works fine with compton, I've run it with that for years
2022-05-10 19:24:12 +0200 <martin2222> ok then so it is, but hard to believe, when you can't even make xmobar work xP
2022-05-10 19:24:31 +0200 <martin2222> where can I troubleshoot xmobar not showing up?
2022-05-10 19:24:40 +0200 <martin2222> when everything compiles just find
2022-05-10 19:24:44 +0200 <martin2222> *fine
2022-05-10 19:25:32 +0200 <geekosaur> generally I'd look for where the session output is going (are you using startx or a display manager? the former will be on the original console, the latter is usually ~/.xsession-errors)
2022-05-10 19:25:57 +0200 <geekosaur> xmobar gets cranky really easily
2022-05-10 19:29:06 +0200 <martin2222> It does complain about .xmonad/stack.yaml not existing but other than that everything seems fine
2022-05-10 19:29:49 +0200 <geekosaur> that shouldn't matter (and shouldn't be a complaint, it's just running through all the things it's checking to see how to rebuild a config)
2022-05-10 19:30:58 +0200 <martin2222> It is falling back to build with ghc because neither .xmonad/build nor that yaml could be found, but it does recompile with success
2022-05-10 19:31:16 +0200 <geekosaur> right
2022-05-10 19:31:50 +0200 <martin2222> other than that I see nothing on stdout when using startx
2022-05-10 19:32:06 +0200 <martin2222> and xmobar I don't see either lol
2022-05-10 19:32:13 +0200 <geekosaur> I use a build script because I have a fairly complex config (which among other things uses dbus), people who install xmonad with stack typically use a stack.yaml to point xmonad's recompile to stack's libraries, otherwise it uses ghc directly
2022-05-10 19:32:36 +0200 <martin2222> do I have to start xmobar in my xinitrc?
2022-05-10 19:32:51 +0200 <geekosaur> not usually
2022-05-10 19:33:01 +0200 <geekosaur> did you follow the tutorial to set it up?
2022-05-10 19:34:41 +0200 <martin2222> Yes I did include xmobarProp in xmobar.hs and .xmobarrc exactly as described
2022-05-10 19:37:36 +0200 <martin2222> Can I maybe use some echo command in .xmobarrc to test if it is run at all?
2022-05-10 19:37:54 +0200 <martin2222> ah mom
2022-05-10 19:38:42 +0200 <martin2222> no :( no spelling mistakes
2022-05-10 19:39:17 +0200 <geekosaur> no, .xmobarrc is pretty stupid
2022-05-10 19:39:35 +0200 <geekosaur> and it only looks like Haskell, so you can't import Debug.Trace either
2022-05-10 19:44:29 +0200 <Solid> see if you can launch it in a terminal
2022-05-10 19:44:51 +0200 <Solid> next best guess; when xmobar doesn't appear at all it's often a font issue
2022-05-10 19:46:53 +0200geekosauris un-fond of xmobar and really wishes people would run something more sensible like polybar, to be honest
2022-05-10 19:47:31 +0200 <geekosaur> we go through this kind of debugging "okay, so why isn't it starting?" once a week or so, it seems
2022-05-10 19:49:24 +0200 <geekosaur> and if you're missing a plugin its diagnostic is "unexpected 's'"
2022-05-10 19:52:22 +0200 <martin2222> hahahaaa
2022-05-10 19:52:36 +0200 <martin2222> ok that's fucked up
2022-05-10 19:53:04 +0200 <martin2222> I just saw that and thought: Surely I must have fucked up the bracketing
2022-05-10 19:54:03 +0200 <geekosaur> you probably need to re-emerge with some additional USE flags to get all the plugins
2022-05-10 19:54:29 +0200 <martin2222> I now use cabal so no re-emerge
2022-05-10 19:55:01 +0200 <geekosaur> -fall_extensions
2022-05-10 19:57:51 +0200 <martin2222> As local USE-flag for xmobar?
2022-05-10 19:58:10 +0200 <geekosaur> yes, that's the cabal equivalent of a USE-flag
2022-05-10 19:58:19 +0200 <geekosaur> it's shorthand for turning on all the flags
2022-05-10 19:58:54 +0200 <geekosaur> (specific to xmobar, there's no general one because flags can also control building on different platforms, picking backends for e.g. math packages, etc.)
2022-05-10 20:04:50 +0200 <martin2222> ok .. I did that and it is still seeing unexpected 's' ....
2022-05-10 20:05:30 +0200martin2222increasingly desperate now stripping down .xmobarrc gradually to localize the error
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2022-05-10 20:13:29 +0200 <martin2222> ah so it seems like ALSA was the issue
2022-05-10 20:13:55 +0200 <martin2222> I installed alsa using portage so maybe it doesn't find alsa?
2022-05-10 20:24:35 +0200 <geekosaur> it should find it, you wouldn't have gotten xmobar to compile otherwise
2022-05-10 20:32:17 +0200 <martin2222> what was cabal --lib command again?
2022-05-10 20:33:38 +0200 <geekosaur> shouldn't be relevant here, unless you're switching to using xmobar in its library mode with a real config file
2022-05-10 20:34:08 +0200 <martin2222> ok so I did install it using cabal but didn't make a difference as you said
2022-05-10 20:34:54 +0200 <geekosaur> pastebin your .xmobarrc?
2022-05-10 20:34:58 +0200 <geekosaur> @where paste
2022-05-10 20:34:58 +0200 <lambdabot> Help us help you: please paste full code, input and/or output at e.g. https://paste.tomsmeding.com
2022-05-10 20:53:52 +0200 <martin2222> https://paste.tomsmeding.com/G9lgVOYL
2022-05-10 20:54:22 +0200 <martin2222> that was a bit complicated, because I don't have compiled chromium yet
2022-05-10 20:56:00 +0200 <geekosaur> so far it looks all right aside from confusing indentation (luckily the config file format isn't indentation sensitive)
2022-05-10 20:56:48 +0200 <martin2222> tabs vs spaces?
2022-05-10 20:57:34 +0200 <geekosaur> also shouldn't matter
2022-05-10 20:57:42 +0200 <geekosaur> it only looks like Haskell, it isn't actually
2022-05-10 20:58:01 +0200 <geekosaur> even ghc's error messages at their worst are better than those of xmobar's parser :/
2022-05-10 20:58:57 +0200 <geekosaur> I do wonder about the `"--on", ""` after the "--", which doesn't seem to be documented
2022-05-10 20:59:32 +0200 <martin2222> it is in the tutorial
2022-05-10 21:00:21 +0200 <Solid> it's documented for the volume options
2022-05-10 21:00:24 +0200 <geekosaur> hm, guess that means it works then, I followed the tutorial here in testing for someone else last week
2022-05-10 21:00:25 +0200 <Solid> and alsa takes these as well
2022-05-10 21:00:38 +0200 <martin2222> won't run without it anywys
2022-05-10 21:01:42 +0200 <geekosaur> still looks fine to me
2022-05-10 21:03:09 +0200 <geekosaur> config runs fine here, hm
2022-05-10 21:04:17 +0200 <martin2222> what are the alternatives again?
2022-05-10 21:04:50 +0200 <geekosaur> polybar, taffybar, lxstatus, a few others
2022-05-10 21:05:03 +0200 <geekosaur> polybar's probably most minimal of those
2022-05-10 21:05:25 +0200 <martin2222> lxstatus from lxde?
2022-05-10 21:05:35 +0200 <Solid> if the config works and it's still a parsing error then I reckon some flag is still not set
2022-05-10 21:06:15 +0200 <geekosaur> yes
2022-05-10 21:06:21 +0200 <geekosaur> (to both)
2022-05-10 21:06:33 +0200 <geekosaur> -fall_extensions should include alsa though
2022-05-10 21:07:27 +0200ml|(~ml|@user/ml/x-5298235) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
2022-05-10 21:10:22 +0200 <martin2222> cabal install xmobar -fall_extensions
2022-05-10 21:10:28 +0200 <martin2222> still doesn't work
2022-05-10 21:10:30 +0200 <martin2222> whatever
2022-05-10 21:11:08 +0200 <martin2222> I think I'm tempted to go with lxstatus it might not be very minimal, but as a longtime lxde user, it's a great status bar
2022-05-10 21:11:36 +0200 <martin2222> let's just see how many dependencies are pulled in
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2022-05-10 22:00:45 +0200BrandonAllbery[m(~geekosaur@2001:470:69fc:105::2:cb7)
2022-05-10 22:01:23 +0200 <geekosaur> one way or another I'll get this on my phone…
2022-05-10 22:04:07 +0200 <BrandonAllbery[m> Now now I just have to figure out how to use my correct Nick
2022-05-10 22:05:32 +0200BrandonAllbery[mgeekosaur[m][m]
2022-05-10 22:05:37 +0200 <geekosaur> whoops
2022-05-10 22:07:15 +0200 <geekosaur[m][m]> Testing
2022-05-10 22:07:22 +0200 <geekosaur> weird
2022-05-10 22:08:12 +0200 <geekosaur> whatever, it works, I can irc from my phone now
2022-05-10 22:09:05 +0200 <liskin> \o/
2022-05-10 22:09:21 +0200 <liskin> You'll be here non-stop now won't you?
2022-05-10 22:09:41 +0200 <Solid> hah
2022-05-10 22:10:05 +0200 <geekosaur> phone and laptop are both set DND while I'm trying to sleep, but I have at least some chance of being here at other times :)
2022-05-10 22:10:30 +0200 <geekosaur> haven't been able to do this since I last had a droplet and znc set up
2022-05-10 22:11:14 +0200 <liskin> Okay :-)
2022-05-10 22:49:09 +0200 <geekosaur> hm, #haskell:matrix.org doesn't seem to be bridged and there's no #haskell:libera.chat apparently
2022-05-10 22:51:07 +0200 <geekosaur> at least that's what element on the phone is claiming
2022-05-10 22:51:38 +0200 <geekosaur> oh, it's there, just not in the index
2022-05-10 23:04:24 +0200vrs(~vrs@user/vrs) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2022-05-10 23:18:40 +0200benin(~benin@183.82.179.155) (Quit: The Lounge - https://thelounge.chat)
2022-05-10 23:32:27 +0200 <liskin> It's not in the index of desktop Element either, because the index is just matrix.org. There's a dropdown somewhere where you can change the index for search.
2022-05-10 23:33:52 +0200 <liskin> Also there's a Haskell "space" somewhere where you can find all the interesting rooms. No idea how that looks on mobile, or how that looks anywhere at all. Haven't logged to Matrix in weeks because the UX is worse than Slack and Discord and Jabber combined.