| 2022-04-24 01:32:17 +0200 | <liskin> | didn't think I'd ever actually look at INSTALL.md myself for help but here I am :-) |
| 2022-04-24 01:33:16 +0200 | <liskin> | (trying to replicate my setup on work laptop and wishing I had a reproducible dotfiles) |
| 2022-04-24 01:44:02 +0200 | AHemlocksLie | (~mikey@2603-8080-090b-0b47-302e-59c5-34ce-6170.res6.spectrum.com) |
| 2022-04-24 01:45:39 +0200 | <AHemlocksLie> | I'm following the configuration tutorial, and I can't get XMonad to start xmobar. I cloned and installed the latest XMonad and XMonad-contrib with Stack, and I used Cabal to install a recent version of xmobar. My configuration hasn't really deviated from the tutorial at all so far, and it starts fine from a terminal, but nothing happens when I restart xmonad |
| 2022-04-24 01:46:23 +0200 | <AHemlocksLie> | xmonad has repeatedly recompiled with no issues. What could I be missing? |
| 2022-04-24 01:46:30 +0200 | <AHemlocksLie> | Oh, and I'm on a fresh Ubuntu 22.04 install |
| 2022-04-24 01:46:44 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | Hmm |
| 2022-04-24 01:46:47 +0200 | <geekosaur> | unless you're using startx, xmonad probably starts with a minimal $PATH |
| 2022-04-24 01:47:02 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | First of all, why did you use 2 different build tools? |
| 2022-04-24 01:47:03 +0200 | <geekosaur> | so it won't find xmobar if it's in ~/.local/bin or ~/.cabal/bin |
| 2022-04-24 01:47:11 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | That is, cabal and stack |
| 2022-04-24 01:47:36 +0200 | <AHemlocksLie> | abastro[m]: because I already did xmonad, then I found xmobar just recommended cabal install |
| 2022-04-24 01:47:56 +0200 | <AHemlocksLie> | geekosaur: that sounds plausible since it's not autocompleting with... I think that's dmenu? |
| 2022-04-24 01:47:57 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | Oh |
| 2022-04-24 01:48:13 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | Yea perhaps it doesn't matter `modulo` PATH variable |
| 2022-04-24 01:48:23 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | Ye dmenu |
| 2022-04-24 01:48:42 +0200 | <AHemlocksLie> | Yeah, that doesn't seem to see xmobar. I don't think it knows how to go find it to execute it, then... |
| 2022-04-24 01:48:50 +0200 | <geekosaur> | are you using a ~/.xsession file? if so, add "source ~/.bash_profile" (or .profile or whatever your shell uses) after the #! line |
| 2022-04-24 01:48:58 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | One needs to set up PATH variable, at least enough to launch xmonad and xmobar |
| 2022-04-24 01:49:15 +0200 | <AHemlocksLie> | I am not using one, no. Can I put just that in one? |
| 2022-04-24 01:49:47 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | What are you using to boot xmonad? |
| 2022-04-24 01:50:01 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | Oh also you could set up environment variable inside xmonad |
| 2022-04-24 01:50:15 +0200 | <AHemlocksLie> | Xubuntu's default login manager. I put a simple option thing for it at /usr/share/xsessions/xmonad.desktop |
| 2022-04-24 01:50:20 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | (If you should, now that I don't know) |
| 2022-04-24 01:50:30 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | Xubuntu? |
| 2022-04-24 01:50:40 +0200 | <AHemlocksLie> | Ubuntu with XFCE by default |
| 2022-04-24 01:50:43 +0200 | <geekosaur> | ubuntu spin for xfce |
| 2022-04-24 01:50:43 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | Oh, you have it in xmonad.desktop |
| 2022-04-24 01:51:00 +0200 | <AHemlocksLie> | Yeah, I had to manually create one myself, but I don't know a lot about that file or what processes it |
| 2022-04-24 01:51:16 +0200 | <geekosaur> | I would point that file to a script which sources your .bash_profile or whatever and then runs xmonad |
| 2022-04-24 01:51:25 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | ^ |
| 2022-04-24 01:51:42 +0200 | <AHemlocksLie> | That sounds like a decent idea. I'll try that. Probably gonna disconnect when I logout to try it. |
| 2022-04-24 01:51:45 +0200 | <geekosaur> | https://github.com/geekosaur/xmonad.hs/blob/skkukuk/start-xmonad |
| 2022-04-24 01:51:55 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | I have my xmonad manager set the file up to fire my xmonad manager |
| 2022-04-24 01:52:15 +0200 | <geekosaur> | although that file is for a desktop file, not a session file |
| 2022-04-24 01:52:31 +0200 | <geekosaur> | but it should work when used from a session file as well |
| 2022-04-24 01:54:26 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | Interesting how you have multiple branches |
| 2022-04-24 01:54:37 +0200 | <geekosaur> | mm, you'll probably want to use bash instead of zsh, you may be using .bash_profile instead of .profile, and your xmonad will be in ~/.local/bin |
| 2022-04-24 01:54:43 +0200 | <geekosaur> | one branch per machine |
| 2022-04-24 01:55:11 +0200 | <geekosaur> | plus oddities like two branches for "hilfy", one for when it was my work laptop and one for when it was my personal machine |
| 2022-04-24 01:56:02 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | In /.local/bin? |
| 2022-04-24 01:56:13 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | Oh one branch per machine |
| 2022-04-24 01:56:15 +0200 | AHemlocksLie | (~mikey@2603-8080-090b-0b47-302e-59c5-34ce-6170.res6.spectrum.com) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2022-04-24 01:56:21 +0200 | <geekosaur> | they said they installed with stack |
| 2022-04-24 01:56:31 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | Ah |
| 2022-04-24 01:56:34 +0200 | <geekosaur> | I used cabal somine is in ~/.cabal/bin instead of ~/.local/bin |
| 2022-04-24 01:57:01 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | Stack is better in this regard I guess.. oh it isn't |
| 2022-04-24 01:57:08 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | No, it is |
| 2022-04-24 01:57:32 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | I mean yes stack is better, as it has proper uninstaller |
| 2022-04-24 01:57:59 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | Manually adding ~/.cabal/bin to PATH is some pain |
| 2022-04-24 02:00:17 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | geekosaur: Have you thought about some kind of profile manager which selects profile? |
| 2022-04-24 02:01:11 +0200 | <geekosaur> | why? each machine has its own profile tuned to that machine and I'm not going to run a different machine's profile on it |
| 2022-04-24 02:02:41 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | Just that multiple branches might make it harder to manage |
| 2022-04-24 02:02:51 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | + there would be some shared code |
| 2022-04-24 02:03:26 +0200 | <geekosaur> | that's what cherrypicking is for |
| 2022-04-24 02:03:57 +0200 | <geekosaur> | and, they're branches, of coursethere is sharedcode |
| 2022-04-24 02:04:43 +0200 | AHemlocksLie | (~mikey@2603-8080-090b-0b47-302e-59c5-34ce-6170.res6.spectrum.com) |
| 2022-04-24 02:04:53 +0200 | <AHemlocksLie> | Okay, so that doesn't seem to have worked. |
| 2022-04-24 02:05:02 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | Yea I mean personally find it bothersome to cherrypicking |
| 2022-04-24 02:05:22 +0200 | <AHemlocksLie> | I put in a two line script, one that sources .bash_profile (which just sources .bashrc), then another to just exec xmonad |
| 2022-04-24 02:05:39 +0200 | <AHemlocksLie> | dmenu still doesn't seem to see some of the extra $PATH stuff |
| 2022-04-24 02:06:09 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | Could you show your script? |
| 2022-04-24 02:06:25 +0200 | <AHemlocksLie> | #!/bin/bash |
| 2022-04-24 02:06:26 +0200 | <AHemlocksLie> | source ~/.bash_profile |
| 2022-04-24 02:06:26 +0200 | <AHemlocksLie> | exec xmonad |
| 2022-04-24 02:06:50 +0200 | <geekosaur> | does that mean you set PATH stuff in your .bashrc? that's usually a bad idea |
| 2022-04-24 02:06:54 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | Hmm |
| 2022-04-24 02:07:07 +0200 | <AHemlocksLie> | That's how ghcup is setting stuff |
| 2022-04-24 02:07:08 +0200 | <geekosaur> | it interferes with profile managers and the like |
| 2022-04-24 02:07:15 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | Jokes on you, ghcup used to add PATH variable onto .bashrc |
| 2022-04-24 02:07:28 +0200 | <geekosaur> | uh. the first version of ghcup did that, later versions do the right thing and even try to fix igt |
| 2022-04-24 02:07:45 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | Mine is yet to be fixed :P |
| 2022-04-24 02:07:47 +0200 | <AHemlocksLie> | Well I found the source command in .bashrc. Is there somewhere else I should be looking? |
| 2022-04-24 02:07:57 +0200 | <AHemlocksLie> | I just installed ghcup earlier today trying to get HLS |
| 2022-04-24 02:08:05 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | You should *not* be sourcing `.bashrc` |
| 2022-04-24 02:08:19 +0200 | <AHemlocksLie> | I guess I could just source that in .bash_profile, too |
| 2022-04-24 02:08:30 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | geekosaur: When I saw that, I thought it's because cabal bin should not be on PATH for entire system |
| 2022-04-24 02:08:40 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | Hmm |
| 2022-04-24 02:08:57 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | Could you check what is in .bash_profile |
| 2022-04-24 02:09:15 +0200 | <geekosaur> | .bashrc is loaded by every shell, it shouldn't have to be explicitly sourced |
| 2022-04-24 02:09:25 +0200 | <geekosaur> | well, every interactive shell |
| 2022-04-24 02:09:51 +0200 | <AHemlocksLie> | Ah, crap, I forgot to include the #!/bin/bash line |
| 2022-04-24 02:09:59 +0200 | <AHemlocksLie> | So that may be why it doesn't source properly |
| 2022-04-24 02:10:04 +0200 | <geekosaur> | where did you get your ghcup from? |
| 2022-04-24 02:10:18 +0200 | <geekosaur> | source ignpores that line, it's for executable scripts |
| 2022-04-24 02:10:45 +0200 | <AHemlocksLie> | Uuuhhh I think wherever HLS linked me to |
| 2022-04-24 02:10:58 +0200 | <AHemlocksLie> | I went looking for HLS, and it recommended installation through ghcup |
| 2022-04-24 02:11:11 +0200 | <AHemlocksLie> | I had to use the install script off the site for it, which I no longer have right in front of me |
| 2022-04-24 02:11:53 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | From here? https://www.haskell.org/ghcup/ |
| 2022-04-24 02:12:19 +0200 | <AHemlocksLie> | That looks right |
| 2022-04-24 02:12:41 +0200 | <AHemlocksLie> | brb, testing |
| 2022-04-24 02:12:44 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | Ye that is the official repository iirc |
| 2022-04-24 02:12:44 +0200 | AHemlocksLie | (~mikey@2603-8080-090b-0b47-302e-59c5-34ce-6170.res6.spectrum.com) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2022-04-24 02:12:51 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | Idk why it is not working hmm |
| 2022-04-24 02:13:34 +0200 | AHemlocksLie | (~mikey@2603-8080-090b-0b47-302e-59c5-34ce-6170.res6.spectrum.com) |
| 2022-04-24 02:13:40 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | geekosaur: How do you use your .desktop file? Do you also put it in /usr/share/xsessions? |
| 2022-04-24 02:13:41 +0200 | <AHemlocksLie> | Okay, so just sourcing .bashrc directly didn't work |
| 2022-04-24 02:13:55 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | Yea you should not source .bashrc |
| 2022-04-24 02:14:03 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | It checks if you are in interactive session |
| 2022-04-24 02:14:06 +0200 | <AHemlocksLie> | Obviously less than ideal, but it would at least test it |
| 2022-04-24 02:14:08 +0200 | geekosaur | (~geekosaur@xmonad/geekosaur) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2022-04-24 02:14:14 +0200 | <AHemlocksLie> | Ah |
| 2022-04-24 02:14:15 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | If you aren't, it just doesn't do anything. |
| 2022-04-24 02:14:38 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | xsession is ofc not interactive |
| 2022-04-24 02:14:48 +0200 | geekosaur | (~geekosaur@xmonad/geekosaur) |
| 2022-04-24 02:16:13 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | You can manually add |
| 2022-04-24 02:16:13 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | `export PATH=~/.cabal/bin;$PATH` |
| 2022-04-24 02:16:13 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | to the script, I think |
| 2022-04-24 02:16:46 +0200 | <AHemlocksLie> | I just copied over the bit that loads the ghcup stuff, time to test again |
| 2022-04-24 02:16:48 +0200 | AHemlocksLie | (~mikey@2603-8080-090b-0b47-302e-59c5-34ce-6170.res6.spectrum.com) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2022-04-24 02:17:33 +0200 | AHemlocksLie | (~mikey@2603-8080-090b-0b47-302e-59c5-34ce-6170.res6.spectrum.com) |
| 2022-04-24 02:17:35 +0200 | <AHemlocksLie> | It worked! |
| 2022-04-24 02:17:39 +0200 | <AHemlocksLie> | Thanks a lot for the help, guys |
| 2022-04-24 02:18:53 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | Good! |
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| 2022-04-24 02:30:39 +0200 | AHemlocksLie | (~mikey@2603-8080-090b-0b47-302e-59c5-34ce-6170.res6.spectrum.com) |
| 2022-04-24 02:31:36 +0200 | <AHemlocksLie> | Okay, last question, I think. I want to setup trayer like in the configuration tutorial, except since I'm currently not 100% settling into xmonad, I don't know that I want it to launch from .xinitrc. How can I launch it from xmonad? It mentions the possibility but doesn't really elaborate |
| 2022-04-24 02:38:02 +0200 | Czernobog | (~Czernobog@user/czernobog) |
| 2022-04-24 02:40:21 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | Well you made the startup script right? |
| 2022-04-24 02:40:24 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | Which boots xmonad |
| 2022-04-24 02:41:01 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | Before `exec xmonad`, you can run trayer to make it show up as well. |
| 2022-04-24 02:41:09 +0200 | <AHemlocksLie> | ...that's a good idea. I ripped that out and put the path stuff in regular .profile |
| 2022-04-24 02:41:34 +0200 | <AHemlocksLie> | But I should put it back and have it do that instead of source .bash_profile |
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| 2022-04-24 08:47:47 +0200 | <abhixec> | every time I resume from sleep xmobar seems to be killed anyone know what might be cuasing this? |
| 2022-04-24 08:55:43 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | Did you check the log? |
| 2022-04-24 09:08:19 +0200 | <abhixec> | I don't see any log anywherer |
| 2022-04-24 09:21:30 +0200 | <abhixec> | all i saw for a segmentation fault error |
| 2022-04-24 09:27:27 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | Ohh |
| 2022-04-24 09:27:46 +0200 | <abhixec> | zsh: segmentation fault (core dumped) xmobar -x 1 ~/.config/xmonad/xmobarrc |
| 2022-04-24 09:27:48 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | Soo it prob segfaulted.. |
| 2022-04-24 09:28:08 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | Perhaps there is core dump somewhere |
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| 2022-04-24 11:42:01 +0200 | derpyxdhs | (~derpyxd.h@2804:7228:7fff:b40:c02:c35e:69b0:1216) |
| 2022-04-24 11:42:50 +0200 | derpyxdhs | (~derpyxd.h@2804:7228:7fff:b40:c02:c35e:69b0:1216) () |
| 2022-04-24 11:48:38 +0200 | shaundev | (~Shaun@2804:7228:7fff:b40:c02:c35e:69b0:1216) |
| 2022-04-24 11:48:44 +0200 | <shaundev> | hey |
| 2022-04-24 11:48:54 +0200 | <geekosaur> | hi |
| 2022-04-24 11:50:11 +0200 | shaundev | (~Shaun@2804:7228:7fff:b40:c02:c35e:69b0:1216) () |
| 2022-04-24 11:51:25 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | geekosaur: awake now? |
| 2022-04-24 11:52:11 +0200 | <geekosaur> | partially |
| 2022-04-24 11:53:41 +0200 | abastro | (~abab9579@192.249.26.196) |
| 2022-04-24 11:54:12 +0200 | <abastro> | oh okay |
| 2022-04-24 11:55:45 +0200 | <geekosaur> | my sister said she'd be picking me up early today, but not when "early" was. as the store opens at 7am local, gotta be ready for that |
| 2022-04-24 11:55:57 +0200 | <geekosaur> | (normally I'd be up at 7:30 local) |
| 2022-04-24 11:57:44 +0200 | <geekosaur> | I have coffee now at least :) |
| 2022-04-24 11:57:49 +0200 | derpyxdhs | (~derpyxd.h@2804:7228:7fff:b40:c02:c35e:69b0:1216) |
| 2022-04-24 11:58:54 +0200 | <derpyxdhs> | hi guys |
| 2022-04-24 11:59:25 +0200 | <geekosaur> | hi |
| 2022-04-24 12:02:37 +0200 | <derpyxdhs> | do the developers have plans to implement a composer in XMonad or is it an unfeasible option? |
| 2022-04-24 12:04:38 +0200 | <geekosaur> | it would be doable but there doesn't seem to be much point to have a compositor built in |
| 2022-04-24 12:05:18 +0200 | <geekosaur> | there are plans to write something for wayland at some point but we'll need to pay someone to do it as none of us has wayland experience;that will necessarily have a compositor |
| 2022-04-24 12:06:00 +0200 | <liskin> | speaking of compositor, funny thing on my new laptop: without a compositor, the panel self-refresh sometimes flickers older frames, but with one it seems okay |
| 2022-04-24 12:06:21 +0200 | <liskin> | (but I only used the compositor for a couple minutes late last night so maybe it is still broken after all) |
| 2022-04-24 12:06:41 +0200 | <geekosaur> | some years ago there was an attempt to bolt compiz onto xmonad; it lasted about a week, as the compiz source was changing too quickly for them to keep up |
| 2022-04-24 12:09:15 +0200 | Solid | is still not using a compositor about half of the time |
| 2022-04-24 12:10:01 +0200 | <derpyxdhs> | geekosaur, thanks for replying! :) |
| 2022-04-24 12:10:38 +0200 | Czernobog | (~Czernobog@user/czernobog) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2022-04-24 12:11:06 +0200 | Czernobog | (~Czernobog@user/czernobog) |
| 2022-04-24 12:11:07 +0200 | geekosaur | has been using a compositor since the old xcompmgr days |
| 2022-04-24 12:11:32 +0200 | <geekosaur> | there are certain arguments to be made for separation of concerns |
| 2022-04-24 12:14:42 +0200 | <geekosaur> | of course, you can do fancier things if it's built in… but you'll also be doing a fair amount of surgery on xmonad's core to support those things' |
| 2022-04-24 12:17:09 +0200 | <geekosaur> | https://github.com/squarehimself/XMoniz has been dead since 2010 and is badly bitrotted but might give you some ideas |
| 2022-04-24 12:19:25 +0200 | <abastro> | geekosaur: so you woke up too early |
| 2022-04-24 12:19:30 +0200 | <geekosaur> | yes |
| 2022-04-24 12:19:56 +0200 | <geekosaur> | it happens occasionally, usually if I wake up anytime after 5am local I won't get back to sleep anyway |
| 2022-04-24 12:20:09 +0200 | <abastro> | Noooo |
| 2022-04-24 12:20:32 +0200 | <abastro> | Wait, so xcompmgr is old |
| 2022-04-24 12:20:45 +0200 | <abastro> | I've been using that one because one repo I've seen had that |
| 2022-04-24 12:20:54 +0200 | derpyxdhs | (~derpyxd.h@2804:7228:7fff:b40:c02:c35e:69b0:1216) (Quit: Leaving) |
| 2022-04-24 12:21:12 +0200 | <geekosaur> | xcompmgr became compton became picom |
| 2022-04-24 12:21:25 +0200 | <abastro> | Wait, same devs? |
| 2022-04-24 12:21:31 +0200 | <geekosaur> | I'm currently running the first release of picom, which still calls itself compton |
| 2022-04-24 12:21:33 +0200 | <geekosaur> | no, forks |
| 2022-04-24 12:21:40 +0200 | <abastro> | I see |
| 2022-04-24 12:21:48 +0200 | <abastro> | I did not know xcompmgr was that ancient |
| 2022-04-24 12:22:04 +0200 | <abastro> | I should switch to picom then |
| 2022-04-24 12:23:10 +0200 | derpyxdhs | (~derpyxdhs@2804:7228:7fff:b40:c02:c35e:69b0:1216) |
| 2022-04-24 12:24:25 +0200 | <abastro> | picom is a fork of compton, which is a fork of xcompmgr-dana, which in turn is a fork of xcompmgr. |
| 2022-04-24 12:24:33 +0200 | <abastro> | Just saw this from ArchWiki |
| 2022-04-24 12:24:38 +0200 | <abastro> | Oh god |
| 2022-04-24 12:31:44 +0200 | derpyxdhs | (~derpyxdhs@2804:7228:7fff:b40:c02:c35e:69b0:1216) (Quit: Leaving) |
| 2022-04-24 12:35:13 +0200 | <MrElendig> | also fun: xcompmngr was never ment to be actually used, it was written as a proof of concept |
| 2022-04-24 12:36:51 +0200 | <geekosaur> | well, that's also (mostly) true of lisp :þ |
| 2022-04-24 12:37:12 +0200 | <geekosaur> | (was intended to be used as a notation, not as a language) |
| 2022-04-24 12:37:58 +0200 | <abastro> | XD |
| 2022-04-24 12:46:46 +0200 | MrElendig | (~Urist@archlinux/op/MrElendig) (Quit: assassinating putin) |
| 2022-04-24 12:48:06 +0200 | MrElendig | (~Urist@archlinux/op/MrElendig) |
| 2022-04-24 13:01:48 +0200 | <geekosaur> | mm, next question re compositors is, what purpose would you intend for a built-in compositor? sadly, they left |
| 2022-04-24 13:02:02 +0200 | <geekosaur> | (we already have FadeInactive and FadeWindows) |
| 2022-04-24 13:02:19 +0200 | <abastro> | They left? |
| 2022-04-24 13:02:59 +0200 | abastro | (~abab9579@192.249.26.196) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2022-04-24 13:03:37 +0200 | <geekosaur> | [24 10:31:44] * derpyxdhs has quit (Quit: Leaving) |
| 2022-04-24 13:10:56 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | Ah |
| 2022-04-24 13:13:29 +0200 | abastro | (~abab9579@192.249.26.196) |
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| 2022-04-24 13:54:42 +0200 | abastro | (~abab9579@192.249.26.196) |
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| 2022-04-24 14:26:02 +0200 | abastro | (~abab9579@192.249.26.196) |
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| 2022-04-24 14:37:59 +0200 | abastro | (~abab9579@192.249.26.196) |
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| 2022-04-24 14:46:51 +0200 | abastro | (~abab9579@192.249.26.196) |
| 2022-04-24 14:47:50 +0200 | <abastro> | Hm, I just installed lightdm and somehow my cursor is smaller :P |
| 2022-04-24 14:55:16 +0200 | abastro | (~abab9579@192.249.26.196) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2022-04-24 14:56:28 +0200 | <geekosaur> | xmonad doesn't control cursor sets; presumably lightdm does |
| 2022-04-24 14:56:38 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | Yep.. |
| 2022-04-24 14:56:56 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | I wonder how to force change cursor theme to use. |
| 2022-04-24 14:57:23 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | Cursor is working in all the apps, but without any apps on, it becomes default I think. |
| 2022-04-24 14:57:43 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | Seems like LightDM assumes that WM will handle this |
| 2022-04-24 14:59:09 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | + Perhaps picom is quite similar with xcompmgr? |
| 2022-04-24 15:01:34 +0200 | abastro | (~abab9579@192.249.26.196) |
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| 2022-04-24 15:12:42 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | Oh actually just found out how to config picom |
| 2022-04-24 15:12:44 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | It looks great |
| 2022-04-24 15:15:22 +0200 | <geekosaur> | re default cursor, if you mean that big X, see https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmonad-contrib-0.17.0/docs/XMonad-Util-Cursor.html |
| 2022-04-24 15:17:57 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | Thank you, let me try this |
| 2022-04-24 15:18:06 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | Oh, wait, I did not mean big X.. |
| 2022-04-24 15:18:21 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | My cursor is just too small. Thanks to lightdm |
| 2022-04-24 15:20:04 +0200 | <geekosaur> | still might fix it by setting it to the normal left-arrow cursor |
| 2022-04-24 15:21:13 +0200 | <geekosaur> | or just run "xsetroot -cursor_name left_ptr" in a terminal |
| 2022-04-24 15:22:51 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | Well, I already did the `xsetroot` part |
| 2022-04-24 15:23:46 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | It does not work.. :/ |
| 2022-04-24 15:24:10 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | Strange thing is, only default `left_ptr` one is small |
| 2022-04-24 15:24:19 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | Other cursors are normal-sized. |
| 2022-04-24 15:24:30 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | (Btw picom is great) |
| 2022-04-24 15:24:59 +0200 | <geekosaur> | that does sound odd |
| 2022-04-24 15:25:12 +0200 | <geekosaur> | wonder if they somehow override the cursor font |
| 2022-04-24 15:25:33 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | Yep. Very strange |
| 2022-04-24 15:30:04 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | Anyway very satisfactory for picom |
| 2022-04-24 15:37:46 +0200 | geekosaur | discovers why mate is loading crap Xresource settings and disables it so xmessage, xfontsel, etc. will work right |
| 2022-04-24 15:38:07 +0200 | <geekosaur> | memo to mate devs: setting font foreground the same as background is not useful |
| 2022-04-24 15:40:45 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | XD |
| 2022-04-24 15:50:25 +0200 | <geekosaur> | if anyone else cares: https://superuser.com/questions/1351751/xresources-not-loaded-under-mate-desktop something similar should work for gnome settings. gtk settings managers probably edit .Xresources directly and may require manual editing to undo |
| 2022-04-24 15:52:10 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | Interesting |
| 2022-04-24 15:52:27 +0200 | <abastro[m]> | I think .Xresources is at least read for me |
| 2022-04-24 15:53:01 +0200 | underlap | (~underlap@89.224.125.91.dyn.plus.net) |
| 2022-04-24 15:55:13 +0200 | <underlap> | Hi. I'm trying xmonad out for the first time today. Works fine on its own, but I quite like KDE, so trying to get it going with KDE. I have followed https://wiki.haskell.org/Xmonad/Using_xmonad_in_KDE, but when I restart KDE (or even reboot), there is no sign of xmonad running (in ps -A). Should I see an xmonad proces? If not, what should I look |
| 2022-04-24 15:55:13 +0200 | <underlap> | for to debug this situation? Thanks. |
| 2022-04-24 15:55:35 +0200 | <underlap> | I'm using KDE 5 (plasma) BTW. |
| 2022-04-24 15:58:05 +0200 | <geekosaur> | you should see an xmonad process |
| 2022-04-24 15:58:23 +0200 | <geekosaur> | I have heard of people using xmonad with kde recently but don't know any details |
| 2022-04-24 15:58:33 +0200 | <geekosaur> | and I haven't done it personally since the kde3 days |
| 2022-04-24 16:01:20 +0200 | <underlap> | Thanks! I'm not sure what part of the system should boot xmonad, but I get the impression others are having problems with non-default window managers on Fedora. Gonna read https://gist.github.com/mageta/dd5a3ca951f26137d63dadb0b92f6027 later. Cheers. |
| 2022-04-24 16:03:42 +0200 | <geekosaur> | bleagh. thst looks like quite the mess |
| 2022-04-24 16:45:30 +0200 | mvk | (~mvk@2607:fea8:5ce3:8500::c90f) |
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| 2022-04-24 17:40:47 +0200 | geekosaur | (~geekosaur@xmonad/geekosaur) |
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| 2022-04-24 17:57:14 +0200 | underlap | (~underlap@89.224.125.91.dyn.plus.net) |
| 2022-04-24 17:57:56 +0200 | <underlap> | geekosaur That gist didn't seem to work anyway. I'm no fan of systemd... |
| 2022-04-24 18:00:41 +0200 | liskin[m] | (~liskinmat@2001:470:69fc:105::768) (Quit: You have been kicked for being idle) |
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| 2022-04-24 19:34:26 +0200 | mohab | (~mohab@41.129.80.119) () |
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| 2022-04-24 21:30:40 +0200 | geekosaur | (~geekosaur@xmonad/geekosaur) |
| 2022-04-24 21:54:40 +0200 | mc47 | (~mc47@xmonad/TheMC47) |
| 2022-04-24 21:58:19 +0200 | <mc47> | btw, the modal keybindings PR is working as a charm! I did some major changes to the API in comparison to the original draft, I just need to clean it up and write the docs |
| 2022-04-24 21:58:33 +0200 | liskin[m] | (~liskinmat@2001:470:69fc:105::768) |
| 2022-04-24 21:59:19 +0200 | <mc47> | (I haven't really sat in front of a screen to "work" for days, life has been crazy (in a good way!)) |
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