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2022-04-24 00:00:17 +0000 <abastro[m]> geekosaur: Have you thought about some kind of profile manager which selects profile?
2022-04-24 00:01:11 +0000 <geekosaur> why? each machine has its own profile tuned to that machine and I'm not going to run a different machine's profile on it
2022-04-24 00:02:41 +0000 <abastro[m]> Just that multiple branches might make it harder to manage
2022-04-24 00:02:51 +0000 <abastro[m]> + there would be some shared code
2022-04-24 00:03:26 +0000 <geekosaur> that's what cherrypicking is for
2022-04-24 00:03:57 +0000 <geekosaur> and, they're branches, of coursethere is sharedcode
2022-04-24 00:04:43 +0000AHemlocksLie(~mikey@2603-8080-090b-0b47-302e-59c5-34ce-6170.res6.spectrum.com)
2022-04-24 00:04:53 +0000 <AHemlocksLie> Okay, so that doesn't seem to have worked.
2022-04-24 00:05:02 +0000 <abastro[m]> Yea I mean personally find it bothersome to cherrypicking
2022-04-24 00:05:22 +0000 <AHemlocksLie> I put in a two line script, one that sources .bash_profile (which just sources .bashrc), then another to just exec xmonad
2022-04-24 00:05:39 +0000 <AHemlocksLie> dmenu still doesn't seem to see some of the extra $PATH stuff
2022-04-24 00:06:09 +0000 <abastro[m]> Could you show your script?
2022-04-24 00:06:25 +0000 <AHemlocksLie> #!/bin/bash
2022-04-24 00:06:26 +0000 <AHemlocksLie> source ~/.bash_profile
2022-04-24 00:06:26 +0000 <AHemlocksLie> exec xmonad
2022-04-24 00:06:50 +0000 <geekosaur> does that mean you set PATH stuff in your .bashrc? that's usually a bad idea
2022-04-24 00:06:54 +0000 <abastro[m]> Hmm
2022-04-24 00:07:07 +0000 <AHemlocksLie> That's how ghcup is setting stuff
2022-04-24 00:07:08 +0000 <geekosaur> it interferes with profile managers and the like
2022-04-24 00:07:15 +0000 <abastro[m]> Jokes on you, ghcup used to add PATH variable onto .bashrc
2022-04-24 00:07:28 +0000 <geekosaur> uh. the first version of ghcup did that, later versions do the right thing and even try to fix igt
2022-04-24 00:07:45 +0000 <abastro[m]> Mine is yet to be fixed :P
2022-04-24 00:07:47 +0000 <AHemlocksLie> Well I found the source command in .bashrc. Is there somewhere else I should be looking?
2022-04-24 00:07:57 +0000 <AHemlocksLie> I just installed ghcup earlier today trying to get HLS
2022-04-24 00:08:05 +0000 <abastro[m]> You should *not* be sourcing `.bashrc`
2022-04-24 00:08:19 +0000 <AHemlocksLie> I guess I could just source that in .bash_profile, too
2022-04-24 00:08:30 +0000 <abastro[m]> geekosaur: When I saw that, I thought it's because cabal bin should not be on PATH for entire system
2022-04-24 00:08:40 +0000 <abastro[m]> Hmm
2022-04-24 00:08:57 +0000 <abastro[m]> Could you check what is in .bash_profile
2022-04-24 00:09:15 +0000 <geekosaur> .bashrc is loaded by every shell, it shouldn't have to be explicitly sourced
2022-04-24 00:09:25 +0000 <geekosaur> well, every interactive shell
2022-04-24 00:09:51 +0000 <AHemlocksLie> Ah, crap, I forgot to include the #!/bin/bash line
2022-04-24 00:09:59 +0000 <AHemlocksLie> So that may be why it doesn't source properly
2022-04-24 00:10:04 +0000 <geekosaur> where did you get your ghcup from?
2022-04-24 00:10:18 +0000 <geekosaur> source ignpores that line, it's for executable scripts
2022-04-24 00:10:45 +0000 <AHemlocksLie> Uuuhhh I think wherever HLS linked me to
2022-04-24 00:10:58 +0000 <AHemlocksLie> I went looking for HLS, and it recommended installation through ghcup
2022-04-24 00:11:11 +0000 <AHemlocksLie> I had to use the install script off the site for it, which I no longer have right in front of me
2022-04-24 00:11:53 +0000 <abastro[m]> From here? https://www.haskell.org/ghcup/
2022-04-24 00:12:19 +0000 <AHemlocksLie> That looks right
2022-04-24 00:12:41 +0000 <AHemlocksLie> brb, testing
2022-04-24 00:12:44 +0000 <abastro[m]> Ye that is the official repository iirc
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2022-04-24 00:12:51 +0000 <abastro[m]> Idk why it is not working hmm
2022-04-24 00:13:34 +0000AHemlocksLie(~mikey@2603-8080-090b-0b47-302e-59c5-34ce-6170.res6.spectrum.com)
2022-04-24 00:13:40 +0000 <abastro[m]> geekosaur: How do you use your .desktop file? Do you also put it in /usr/share/xsessions?
2022-04-24 00:13:41 +0000 <AHemlocksLie> Okay, so just sourcing .bashrc directly didn't work
2022-04-24 00:13:55 +0000 <abastro[m]> Yea you should not source .bashrc
2022-04-24 00:14:03 +0000 <abastro[m]> It checks if you are in interactive session
2022-04-24 00:14:06 +0000 <AHemlocksLie> Obviously less than ideal, but it would at least test it
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2022-04-24 00:14:14 +0000 <AHemlocksLie> Ah
2022-04-24 00:14:15 +0000 <abastro[m]> If you aren't, it just doesn't do anything.
2022-04-24 00:14:38 +0000 <abastro[m]> xsession is ofc not interactive
2022-04-24 00:14:48 +0000geekosaur(~geekosaur@xmonad/geekosaur)
2022-04-24 00:16:13 +0000 <abastro[m]> You can manually add
2022-04-24 00:16:13 +0000 <abastro[m]> `export PATH=~/.cabal/bin;$PATH`
2022-04-24 00:16:13 +0000 <abastro[m]> to the script, I think
2022-04-24 00:16:46 +0000 <AHemlocksLie> I just copied over the bit that loads the ghcup stuff, time to test again
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2022-04-24 00:17:35 +0000 <AHemlocksLie> It worked!
2022-04-24 00:17:39 +0000 <AHemlocksLie> Thanks a lot for the help, guys
2022-04-24 00:18:53 +0000 <abastro[m]> Good!
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2022-04-24 00:31:36 +0000 <AHemlocksLie> Okay, last question, I think. I want to setup trayer like in the configuration tutorial, except since I'm currently not 100% settling into xmonad, I don't know that I want it to launch from .xinitrc. How can I launch it from xmonad? It mentions the possibility but doesn't really elaborate
2022-04-24 00:38:02 +0000Czernobog(~Czernobog@user/czernobog)
2022-04-24 00:40:21 +0000 <abastro[m]> Well you made the startup script right?
2022-04-24 00:40:24 +0000 <abastro[m]> Which boots xmonad
2022-04-24 00:41:01 +0000 <abastro[m]> Before `exec xmonad`, you can run trayer to make it show up as well.
2022-04-24 00:41:09 +0000 <AHemlocksLie> ...that's a good idea. I ripped that out and put the path stuff in regular .profile
2022-04-24 00:41:34 +0000 <AHemlocksLie> But I should put it back and have it do that instead of source .bash_profile
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2022-04-24 06:47:47 +0000 <abhixec> every time I resume from sleep xmobar seems to be killed anyone know what might be cuasing this?
2022-04-24 06:55:43 +0000 <abastro[m]> Did you check the log?
2022-04-24 07:08:19 +0000 <abhixec> I don't see any log anywherer
2022-04-24 07:21:30 +0000 <abhixec> all i saw for a segmentation fault error
2022-04-24 07:27:27 +0000 <abastro[m]> Ohh
2022-04-24 07:27:46 +0000 <abhixec> zsh: segmentation fault (core dumped) xmobar -x 1 ~/.config/xmonad/xmobarrc
2022-04-24 07:27:48 +0000 <abastro[m]> Soo it prob segfaulted..
2022-04-24 07:28:08 +0000 <abastro[m]> Perhaps there is core dump somewhere
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2022-04-24 09:48:44 +0000 <shaundev> hey
2022-04-24 09:48:54 +0000 <geekosaur> hi
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2022-04-24 09:51:25 +0000 <abastro[m]> geekosaur: awake now?
2022-04-24 09:52:11 +0000 <geekosaur> partially
2022-04-24 09:53:41 +0000abastro(~abab9579@192.249.26.196)
2022-04-24 09:54:12 +0000 <abastro> oh okay
2022-04-24 09:55:45 +0000 <geekosaur> my sister said she'd be picking me up early today, but not when "early" was. as the store opens at 7am local, gotta be ready for that
2022-04-24 09:55:57 +0000 <geekosaur> (normally I'd be up at 7:30 local)
2022-04-24 09:57:44 +0000 <geekosaur> I have coffee now at least :)
2022-04-24 09:57:49 +0000derpyxdhs(~derpyxd.h@2804:7228:7fff:b40:c02:c35e:69b0:1216)
2022-04-24 09:58:54 +0000 <derpyxdhs> hi guys
2022-04-24 09:59:25 +0000 <geekosaur> hi
2022-04-24 10:02:37 +0000 <derpyxdhs> do the developers have plans to implement a composer in XMonad or is it an unfeasible option?
2022-04-24 10:04:38 +0000 <geekosaur> it would be doable but there doesn't seem to be much point to have a compositor built in
2022-04-24 10:05:18 +0000 <geekosaur> there are plans to write something for wayland at some point but we'll need to pay someone to do it as none of us has wayland experience;that will necessarily have a compositor
2022-04-24 10:06:00 +0000 <liskin> speaking of compositor, funny thing on my new laptop: without a compositor, the panel self-refresh sometimes flickers older frames, but with one it seems okay
2022-04-24 10:06:21 +0000 <liskin> (but I only used the compositor for a couple minutes late last night so maybe it is still broken after all)
2022-04-24 10:06:41 +0000 <geekosaur> some years ago there was an attempt to bolt compiz onto xmonad; it lasted about a week, as the compiz source was changing too quickly for them to keep up
2022-04-24 10:09:15 +0000Solidis still not using a compositor about half of the time
2022-04-24 10:10:01 +0000 <derpyxdhs> geekosaur, thanks for replying! :)
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2022-04-24 10:11:07 +0000geekosaurhas been using a compositor since the old xcompmgr days
2022-04-24 10:11:32 +0000 <geekosaur> there are certain arguments to be made for separation of concerns
2022-04-24 10:14:42 +0000 <geekosaur> of course, you can do fancier things if it's built in… but you'll also be doing a fair amount of surgery on xmonad's core to support those things'
2022-04-24 10:17:09 +0000 <geekosaur> https://github.com/squarehimself/XMoniz has been dead since 2010 and is badly bitrotted but might give you some ideas
2022-04-24 10:19:25 +0000 <abastro> geekosaur: so you woke up too early
2022-04-24 10:19:30 +0000 <geekosaur> yes
2022-04-24 10:19:56 +0000 <geekosaur> it happens occasionally, usually if I wake up anytime after 5am local I won't get back to sleep anyway
2022-04-24 10:20:09 +0000 <abastro> Noooo
2022-04-24 10:20:32 +0000 <abastro> Wait, so xcompmgr is old
2022-04-24 10:20:45 +0000 <abastro> I've been using that one because one repo I've seen had that
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2022-04-24 10:21:12 +0000 <geekosaur> xcompmgr became compton became picom
2022-04-24 10:21:25 +0000 <abastro> Wait, same devs?
2022-04-24 10:21:31 +0000 <geekosaur> I'm currently running the first release of picom, which still calls itself compton
2022-04-24 10:21:33 +0000 <geekosaur> no, forks
2022-04-24 10:21:40 +0000 <abastro> I see
2022-04-24 10:21:48 +0000 <abastro> I did not know xcompmgr was that ancient
2022-04-24 10:22:04 +0000 <abastro> I should switch to picom then
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2022-04-24 10:24:25 +0000 <abastro> picom is a fork of compton, which is a fork of xcompmgr-dana, which in turn is a fork of xcompmgr.
2022-04-24 10:24:33 +0000 <abastro> Just saw this from ArchWiki
2022-04-24 10:24:38 +0000 <abastro> Oh god
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2022-04-24 10:35:13 +0000 <MrElendig> also fun: xcompmngr was never ment to be actually used, it was written as a proof of concept
2022-04-24 10:36:51 +0000 <geekosaur> well, that's also (mostly) true of lisp :þ
2022-04-24 10:37:12 +0000 <geekosaur> (was intended to be used as a notation, not as a language)
2022-04-24 10:37:58 +0000 <abastro> XD
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2022-04-24 11:01:48 +0000 <geekosaur> mm, next question re compositors is, what purpose would you intend for a built-in compositor? sadly, they left
2022-04-24 11:02:02 +0000 <geekosaur> (we already have FadeInactive and FadeWindows)
2022-04-24 11:02:19 +0000 <abastro> They left?
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2022-04-24 11:10:56 +0000 <abastro[m]> Ah
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2022-04-24 12:47:50 +0000 <abastro> Hm, I just installed lightdm and somehow my cursor is smaller :P
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2022-04-24 12:56:28 +0000 <geekosaur> xmonad doesn't control cursor sets; presumably lightdm does
2022-04-24 12:56:38 +0000 <abastro[m]> Yep..
2022-04-24 12:56:56 +0000 <abastro[m]> I wonder how to force change cursor theme to use.
2022-04-24 12:57:23 +0000 <abastro[m]> Cursor is working in all the apps, but without any apps on, it becomes default I think.
2022-04-24 12:57:43 +0000 <abastro[m]> Seems like LightDM assumes that WM will handle this
2022-04-24 12:59:09 +0000 <abastro[m]> + Perhaps picom is quite similar with xcompmgr?
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2022-04-24 13:12:42 +0000 <abastro[m]> Oh actually just found out how to config picom
2022-04-24 13:12:44 +0000 <abastro[m]> It looks great
2022-04-24 13:15:22 +0000 <geekosaur> re default cursor, if you mean that big X, see https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmonad-contrib-0.17.0/docs/XMonad-Util-Cursor.html
2022-04-24 13:17:57 +0000 <abastro[m]> Thank you, let me try this
2022-04-24 13:18:06 +0000 <abastro[m]> Oh, wait, I did not mean big X..
2022-04-24 13:18:21 +0000 <abastro[m]> My cursor is just too small. Thanks to lightdm
2022-04-24 13:20:04 +0000 <geekosaur> still might fix it by setting it to the normal left-arrow cursor
2022-04-24 13:21:13 +0000 <geekosaur> or just run "xsetroot -cursor_name left_ptr" in a terminal
2022-04-24 13:22:51 +0000 <abastro[m]> Well, I already did the `xsetroot` part
2022-04-24 13:23:46 +0000 <abastro[m]> It does not work.. :/
2022-04-24 13:24:10 +0000 <abastro[m]> Strange thing is, only default `left_ptr` one is small
2022-04-24 13:24:19 +0000 <abastro[m]> Other cursors are normal-sized.
2022-04-24 13:24:30 +0000 <abastro[m]> (Btw picom is great)
2022-04-24 13:24:59 +0000 <geekosaur> that does sound odd
2022-04-24 13:25:12 +0000 <geekosaur> wonder if they somehow override the cursor font
2022-04-24 13:25:33 +0000 <abastro[m]> Yep. Very strange
2022-04-24 13:30:04 +0000 <abastro[m]> Anyway very satisfactory for picom
2022-04-24 13:37:46 +0000geekosaurdiscovers why mate is loading crap Xresource settings and disables it so xmessage, xfontsel, etc. will work right
2022-04-24 13:38:07 +0000 <geekosaur> memo to mate devs: setting font foreground the same as background is not useful
2022-04-24 13:40:45 +0000 <abastro[m]> XD
2022-04-24 13:50:25 +0000 <geekosaur> if anyone else cares: https://superuser.com/questions/1351751/xresources-not-loaded-under-mate-desktop something similar should work for gnome settings. gtk settings managers probably edit .Xresources directly and may require manual editing to undo
2022-04-24 13:52:10 +0000 <abastro[m]> Interesting
2022-04-24 13:52:27 +0000 <abastro[m]> I think .Xresources is at least read for me
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2022-04-24 13:55:13 +0000 <underlap> Hi. I'm trying xmonad out for the first time today. Works fine on its own, but I quite like KDE, so trying to get it going with KDE. I have followed https://wiki.haskell.org/Xmonad/Using_xmonad_in_KDE, but when I restart KDE (or even reboot), there is no sign of xmonad running (in ps -A). Should I see an xmonad proces? If not, what should I look
2022-04-24 13:55:13 +0000 <underlap> for to debug this situation? Thanks.
2022-04-24 13:55:35 +0000 <underlap> I'm using KDE 5 (plasma) BTW.
2022-04-24 13:58:05 +0000 <geekosaur> you should see an xmonad process
2022-04-24 13:58:23 +0000 <geekosaur> I have heard of people using xmonad with kde recently but don't know any details
2022-04-24 13:58:33 +0000 <geekosaur> and I haven't done it personally since the kde3 days
2022-04-24 14:01:20 +0000 <underlap> Thanks! I'm not sure what part of the system should boot xmonad, but I get the impression others are having problems with non-default window managers on Fedora. Gonna read https://gist.github.com/mageta/dd5a3ca951f26137d63dadb0b92f6027 later. Cheers.
2022-04-24 14:03:42 +0000 <geekosaur> bleagh. thst looks like quite the mess
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2022-04-24 15:57:56 +0000 <underlap> geekosaur That gist didn't seem to work anyway. I'm no fan of systemd...
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2022-04-24 19:58:19 +0000 <mc47> btw, the modal keybindings PR is working as a charm! I did some major changes to the API in comparison to the original draft, I just need to clean it up and write the docs
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2022-04-24 19:59:19 +0000 <mc47> (I haven't really sat in front of a screen to "work" for days, life has been crazy (in a good way!))
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