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2022-04-20 00:50:34 +0200Xioulious(~yourname@193.32.249.136)
2022-04-20 00:51:49 +0200 <Xioulious> how do i check if xmonad is installed with xft support and if it isn't, how do i add it?
2022-04-20 00:54:13 +0200 <geekosaur> hm. xmonad itself doesn't use xft, contrib does
2022-04-20 00:54:39 +0200 <geekosaur> and I think you just have to try to reinstall it with --flags use_xft and if it does nothing then you know it already had it
2022-04-20 00:55:14 +0200 <geekosaur> if you're getting it from a distribution, checking is more painful
2022-04-20 00:55:19 +0200 <Xioulious> so when i do stack install i need to add --flags use_xft?
2022-04-20 00:55:50 +0200 <Xioulious> i think im lacking it due to im trying to use a certain font with my xmobar but it doesn't seem to change the font
2022-04-20 00:58:37 +0200 <geekosaur> xmobar does its own font handling, unrelated to xmonad
2022-04-20 00:59:16 +0200 <Xioulious> hmm so the xmobar doesnt have it build in then? i do set the font in the xmobar config, not the xmonad one
2022-04-20 00:59:56 +0200 <geekosaur> so you need to stack install xmobar with --flags use_xft (although you really want --flags all_extensions probably)
2022-04-20 01:00:35 +0200 <geekosaur> you can specify a font in the xmonad part, but that is just a string sent to xmobar. xmobar reads the string and loads the font
2022-04-20 01:07:00 +0200 <Xioulious> okay, doing an install with all extensions now so i wont run into such a problem in the future when i want to mess with it, hope it fixes it
2022-04-20 01:08:35 +0200 <Xioulious> yep that fixed it, ty yet again!
2022-04-20 01:09:53 +0200 <geekosaur> np
2022-04-20 01:14:08 +0200 <abastro[m]> What does use_xft do?
2022-04-20 01:14:50 +0200 <geekosaur> compiles in code to use fontconfig and libxft (freetype/opentype/client-side fonts)
2022-04-20 01:15:17 +0200 <geekosaur> otherwise it only supports server-side fonts such as "fixed"
2022-04-20 01:16:05 +0200 <abastro[m]> Ah, I see
2022-04-20 01:16:14 +0200 <abastro[m]> I guess the tabs use the fonts
2022-04-20 01:16:24 +0200 <abastro[m]> Hm, I need to change the fonts for the tabs!
2022-04-20 01:17:20 +0200 <geekosaur> that's how xmonad-contrib uses them, yes. also for XMonad.Prompt and I think GridSelect
2022-04-20 01:18:06 +0200 <geekosaur> xmobar lets you specify a base font for the bar and then change fonts in the middle of it with markup
2022-04-20 01:20:21 +0200 <abastro[m]> It is a bit annoying when the tabs can display only english, ye
2022-04-20 01:20:43 +0200 <abastro[m]> Actually it would be better if the tabs could display something like icon, hmm
2022-04-20 01:21:18 +0200Xioulious(~yourname@193.32.249.136) (Remote host closed the connection)
2022-04-20 01:24:59 +0200 <geekosaur> I don't think there's real icon support, the best you could do is an icon font of some variety
2022-04-20 01:30:39 +0200chomwitt(~chomwitt@2a02:587:dc1b:da00:1339:e02b:9822:2360) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2022-04-20 01:36:15 +0200 <geekosaur> actually it looks like I'm wrong. B&W bitmaps specified as [[Bool]], ick
2022-04-20 01:37:22 +0200 <geekosaur> bleh. this inspired me to finally address the tab and prompt font size issues in my own config
2022-04-20 01:37:34 +0200 <geekosaur> so it worked for Prompt but not for Tabbed… ??
2022-04-20 01:38:07 +0200 <geekosaur> then again I'm kinda used to tab themes not really working right
2022-04-20 01:48:36 +0200allbery_b(~geekosaur@xmonad/geekosaur)
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2022-04-20 01:52:35 +0200 <abastro[m]> B&W bitmaps?
2022-04-20 01:52:46 +0200 <abastro[m]> What is [[Bool]]
2022-04-20 01:53:10 +0200 <abastro[m]> [] [] Bool.. iterator of iterator of Bool? Wh
2022-04-20 01:54:36 +0200 <allbery_b> list of list of bool. rows of columns of bits
2022-04-20 01:55:49 +0200 <abastro[m]> Row iterator of irregular sized column iterator of bits..
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2022-04-20 03:37:13 +0200 <abastro[m]> I wonder of a way to make the declarative combinators more composable..
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2022-04-20 08:02:29 +0200 <abastro> Hmm, decoupling taffybar made my config a bit more stable
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2022-04-20 08:41:05 +0200 <abastro> TIL invoking `cabal build` after `cabal install` makes next `cabal build` take less time.
2022-04-20 08:42:02 +0200 <Solid> presumably cabal install also builds the package before installing it :)
2022-04-20 09:19:05 +0200 <abastro> Yep, but cabal install takes longer time if I just want to check if I should re-install stuffs
2022-04-20 09:58:39 +0200steve__(~steve@ool-182c2b80.dyn.optonline.net) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2022-04-20 10:14:35 +0200 <abastro> What could I use to read a file alike stock `Read` instance reads?
2022-04-20 10:15:16 +0200 <abastro> The stock instance is quite cumbersome (No error messages, constrained to String)
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2022-04-20 14:00:10 +0200 <geekosaur> abastro[m], the general recommendation is to ignore Read completely and write a parser
2022-04-20 14:00:25 +0200 <geekosaur> parsec/megaparsec and attoparsec are commonly used
2022-04-20 14:01:57 +0200abastro(~abab9579@220.75.216.63)
2022-04-20 14:02:00 +0200 <geekosaur> Read's sole advantage is it can be done with stuff in base and restricted to haskell98
2022-04-20 14:02:10 +0200 <geekosaur> but it's a *lousy* parser
2022-04-20 14:07:45 +0200 <abastro[m]> It takes time to write a good parser though.
2022-04-20 14:08:05 +0200 <geekosaur> well, yes
2022-04-20 14:08:17 +0200 <geekosaur> it took time to design Read too though :)
2022-04-20 14:08:33 +0200 <abastro> Yep
2022-04-20 14:08:44 +0200 <geekosaur> especially since some key parts of modern parsers didn't exist back then (Applicative and Alternative)
2022-04-20 14:09:14 +0200 <abastro> I mean, want out-of-the box solution
2022-04-20 14:09:18 +0200 <abastro> I want*
2022-04-20 14:13:30 +0200 <tdammers> another problem with the format Show/Read use is that it's not actually properly specified
2022-04-20 14:14:28 +0200 <tdammers> the entire specification is pretty much "as close to valid Haskell syntax as you can reasonably make it", but more than enough instances produce something that isn't valid Haskell code to make even this bit of specification practically useless
2022-04-20 14:15:05 +0200 <tdammers> this is fine for the use case that Show and Read were intended for (casual debugging), but it's a bad choice if you need anything more robust than that
2022-04-20 14:15:10 +0200 <abastro> I find the syntax great-looking personally
2022-04-20 14:15:25 +0200 <tdammers> of course, but that's not the point
2022-04-20 14:15:30 +0200 <abastro> So I wanted something which replicates some of its behavior with more advanced tools
2022-04-20 14:15:34 +0200 <tdammers> the point is that it's not fully defined
2022-04-20 14:16:05 +0200 <abastro> Yep, I'd like some specialized solution which is better defined, but sufficiently similar with `Read` instance
2022-04-20 14:35:27 +0200 <abastro[m]> I guess I could use JSON & Aeson, but I think aeson would carry quite a bit of dependency baggage
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2022-04-20 15:04:33 +0200 <abastro> Perhaps it would not take much effort to implement one myself, let me see.
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2022-04-20 17:00:35 +0200 <Solid> there are leaner JSON libraries than aeson out there if that's all that's holding you back from using it
2022-04-20 17:14:51 +0200abastro(~abab9579@220.75.216.63) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2022-04-20 17:17:15 +0200 <abastro[m]> Hmm
2022-04-20 17:17:41 +0200 <abastro[m]> I mean I think haskell syntax is nice but that might just be my bias
2022-04-20 17:18:35 +0200 <abastro[m]> Is JSON config file desirable
2022-04-20 17:32:55 +0200 <abastro[m]> Yea aeson dependency footprint is too huge, as well
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2022-04-20 19:01:03 +0200 <geekosaur> we don't often care about dependencies given cabal/stack manages them for us
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2022-04-20 19:02:37 +0200 <abhixec> is there a way to make toggleFloatallnew for just the workspace i toggle on?
2022-04-20 19:06:48 +0200 <geekosaur> not easily
2022-04-20 19:07:39 +0200 <abhixec> ok thanks!
2022-04-20 19:08:11 +0200 <geekosaur> you would have to write your own version of toggleFloatAllNew that recorded the current workspace, and a version of floatNextHook that compared it against XMonad.Hooks.ManageHelpers.currentWs
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2022-04-20 20:37:53 +0200 <lulu_hu> hi guys, I wanted to ask whether "keys = myKeys <+> keys def" in my config and "
2022-04-20 20:37:53 +0200 <lulu_hu> myKeys conf@(XConfig {XMonad.modMask = modm}) = M.fromList [ ]
2022-04-20 20:38:29 +0200 <lulu_hu> ((modm, xK_y), scratchpadSpawnAction conf) is sufficiet for adding a scratchpad (sorry for the bad formatting, first time usisng an irc).
2022-04-20 20:40:29 +0200 <geekosaur> the keys and spawn action part has tobeinside the list
2022-04-20 20:40:58 +0200 <geekosaur> although these days we recommend additionalKeysP instead of manipulating keys like that directly
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2022-04-20 21:16:15 +0200 <geekosaur> hrm
2022-04-20 21:16:48 +0200 <geekosaur> looked over the code, it seems to do the right thing. anyone else override the fontName for tabbed? does it work for you?
2022-04-20 21:17:12 +0200 <geekosaur> (it's not the font that is wrong, I use the same font with Prompt and it works fine)
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