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2022-03-14 04:35:13 +0100 <Guest9484> I failed to identify in time lol. How do I identify so I can keep my name?
2022-03-14 04:40:14 +0100Guest9484Jennifer
2022-03-14 04:40:22 +0100 <Jennifer> Test
2022-03-14 04:40:43 +0100JenniferGuest8385
2022-03-14 04:40:49 +0100 <Guest8385> Strange I do not remember it doing this
2022-03-14 04:41:00 +0100 <Guest8385> Why wont Hexchat keep my name?
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2022-03-14 11:39:27 +0100 <MrElendig> use sasl/certfp to identify before you connect
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2022-03-14 12:26:30 +0100 <geekosaur> hexchat can also identify to nickserv for you,but sasl is better
2022-03-14 12:26:43 +0100 <geekosaur> hm, they already left
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2022-03-14 18:00:43 +0100 <jimr> anyone here
2022-03-14 18:00:56 +0100liskin[m](~liskinmat@2001:470:69fc:105::768)
2022-03-14 18:01:30 +0100 <geekosaur> yes
2022-03-14 18:02:10 +0100 <jimr> im having a little problem with my xmonad.hs script..the myStartupHook section
2022-03-14 18:02:32 +0100 <geekosaur> @where paste
2022-03-14 18:02:32 +0100 <lambdabot> Help us help you: please paste full code, input and/or output at e.g. https://paste.tomsmeding.com
2022-03-14 18:02:48 +0100 <jimr> ok
2022-03-14 18:06:07 +0100 <jimr> This is paste qDxUIDTI
2022-03-14 18:07:34 +0100 <jimr> i have picom and compton and nitrogen installed...but i cant get xmonad to recompile them so i have a background everytime i log on
2022-03-14 18:07:43 +0100 <jimr> im using arch linux if that helps
2022-03-14 18:08:03 +0100 <jimr> i had it working once...i just forget how
2022-03-14 18:09:16 +0100 <Guest75> Is that a spacing issue?  It says you're calling spawnOnce with too many args?  Align the whitespace?
2022-03-14 18:09:23 +0100 <jimr> the xmessage also says executeFile: does not exist (no file or directory)
2022-03-14 18:10:01 +0100 <jimr> you thinking a space between the ending quote marks?
2022-03-14 18:10:19 +0100 <geekosaur> the executeFile is a follow-on error because the compile failed
2022-03-14 18:10:24 +0100 <jimr> k
2022-03-14 18:11:04 +0100 <geekosaur> and yes, you need to align everything, otherwise it thinks it's a continuation line
2022-03-14 18:13:19 +0100 <jimr> everythings all aligned each on its own line one below the other
2022-03-14 18:14:10 +0100 <Guest75> the spawnOnce lines aren't aligned with the first in your example.  Make all the first "s" characters match up vertically
2022-03-14 18:14:51 +0100 <jimr> k did that
2022-03-14 18:17:46 +0100 <jimr> mmm think i got it
2022-03-14 18:17:53 +0100 <geekosaur> you can seethat in the error message, where it ran all the `spawnOnce`-s together
2022-03-14 18:18:20 +0100 <geekosaur> line 14 of your paste
2022-03-14 18:19:13 +0100 <jimr> fixed it i think..got no errors...what i did is brought all three spawnOnce statements back to the beginning of the line then pressed tab to indent..and not the space bra
2022-03-14 18:19:16 +0100 <jimr> err bar
2022-03-14 18:19:50 +0100 <jimr> brb going to test it
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2022-03-14 18:21:14 +0100 <jimr> yep that worked thanks
2022-03-14 18:21:18 +0100 <geekosaur> mod-q doesn't require you to exit and log back in
2022-03-14 18:21:49 +0100 <jimr> k
2022-03-14 18:23:13 +0100 <jimr> seems xmonad can be picky about spaces at times lol
2022-03-14 18:23:38 +0100 <geekosaur> haskell is like python in being whitespace-sensitive
2022-03-14 18:23:59 +0100 <geekosaur> although you can turn it off in haskell by using braces and semicolons instead
2022-03-14 18:24:01 +0100 <jimr> good to know..since im going to teach my self python
2022-03-14 18:24:25 +0100 <geekosaur> (that doesn't work in python though)
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2022-03-14 18:35:48 +0100 <Guest75> Has there been any thoughts on a wayland effort recently?  The waymonad independent effort seems to have been abandoned.  Was that (wlroots based) implementation considered a good idea in retrospect from the people here?
2022-03-14 18:47:56 +0100 <geekosaur> not really. we don't have any programmers who know wayland, and mostof us think wayland needs a few more years to mature
2022-03-14 18:48:48 +0100dschrempf(~dominik@070-207.dynamic.dsl.fonira.net)
2022-03-14 18:48:52 +0100 <geekosaur> we may end up using our donation income to pay someone to write it
2022-03-14 18:52:19 +0100 <geekosaur> https://github.com/L-as/waymonad README has some notes on the wlroots-based implementation's problems, but still seems to think it's the way to go. I don't know enough about wayland to say.
2022-03-14 18:52:42 +0100 <Guest75> Agreed that it needs more time to mature.  I've been considering learning the wayland protocol and wlroots in my spare time to get a feel for the level of effort needed.  Was more curious if there were other ideas floating around
2022-03-14 18:55:07 +0100 <liskin> There's the idea of keeping xmonad a window manager and having the compositor be a separate process, which I'm a big fan of and Las is against it.
2022-03-14 18:56:33 +0100 <Guest75> Is there a summary of the arguments somewhere?
2022-03-14 18:57:31 +0100 <liskin> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28797020 and the linked posts
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2022-03-14 18:57:58 +0100 <Guest75> tyvm
2022-03-14 18:58:39 +0100 <liskin> Not sure if there's a summary of Las' argument but as I understand it it's mostly about being able to do visual/eye-candy stuff in Haskell.
2022-03-14 18:59:28 +0100 <geekosaur> I have to admit that if you're looking for eye candy, xmonadis probably not what you shouldbe looking at :)
2022-03-14 18:59:30 +0100 <liskin> Which is a meaningful goal but IMO not a good tradeoff for xmonad with the "minimal, fast, robust, stable" philosophy
2022-03-14 18:59:47 +0100 <liskin> geekosaur: /r/unixporn would disagree
2022-03-14 19:00:17 +0100 <liskin> xmonad's versatility can be abused to get eye candy :-)
2022-03-14 19:00:45 +0100 <Guest75> without knowing too much about it yet, my concerns are with upkeeping the compositor part/limitations of tying ourselves to wlroots, which is ultimately whatever sway wants to support
2022-03-14 19:01:46 +0100 <geekosaur> dunno, looks to me like they like xmonad staying out of the way of the real eye candy :)
2022-03-14 19:02:20 +0100 <liskin> Coming up with a good enough compositor/window-manager protocol could help with both concerns, possibly.
2022-03-14 19:02:44 +0100 <geekosaur> then again, I've never really gotten the point of desktop eye candy. I want it to help me focus on what I'm doing
2022-03-14 19:11:45 +0100 <liskin> Yeah, same here, but it's a significant concern for some part of our user base so it's good keeping in mind I suppose
2022-03-14 19:12:56 +0100 <liskin> People being willing to run picom with its horrible lags tells you something about this
2022-03-14 19:13:18 +0100 <liskin> And there being more maintained forks of picom than of xmonad :-D
2022-03-14 19:16:39 +0100 <Guest75> well picom has the amazing benefit of being able to be turned off when it gets in the way lol
2022-03-14 19:17:32 +0100 <liskin> So does any other X11 compositor though
2022-03-14 19:18:10 +0100 <Guest75> yes. I was taking shots at wayland
2022-03-14 19:18:50 +0100 <liskin> I see :-)
2022-03-14 19:22:15 +0100 <geekosaur> that's what I figured :)
2022-03-14 19:22:51 +0100 <geekosaur> that said I can see why you'd want the compositor to be the display server; as things are in X11-land, one reason compositors tend to suck is they have to all but duplicate the X server anyway
2022-03-14 19:23:23 +0100 <geekosaur> or take windows away from the X server and give them to e.g. OpenGL
2022-03-14 19:27:02 +0100 <Guest75> wayland's compositor + display server seems fine to me given how X11 works, but throwing the WM into some omni-process feels weird.  I need to read up to make sure I understand the justification
2022-03-14 19:28:12 +0100 <Guest75> feels like separate concerns, but I'm not too knowledgeable on frames and buffers yet
2022-03-14 19:29:28 +0100 <geekosaur> in some ways they are separate concerns. in others they are not, and some of the shortcomings in X11 compared to Wayland is precisely that window managers and compositors can't share the parts that are in common and can't really synchronize with each other properly
2022-03-14 19:29:44 +0100 <geekosaur> then again, that mostly comes out when doing fancy eye candy
2022-03-14 19:30:32 +0100 <geekosaur> but the same problems do exist in lesser forms even with normal window management, and e.g. compton/picom has several knobs to tweak to try to keep it and the window manager on the same page
2022-03-14 19:31:06 +0100 <geekosaur> and you have to duplicate some specific-window knowledge between the window manager configuration and compton.conf
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2022-03-14 20:10:19 +0100 <twiclo1> On other window managers if you have vimx open to a file then try to open that same file in a new terminal with vimx it will just take you to the desktop that vimx session is on. Apparently this doesn't work for a friend of mine on xmonad. Does anyone know what X function does this and if there's a fix?
2022-03-14 20:12:48 +0100 <geekosaur> that should use EWMH's assign focus feature. it should work if EwmhDesktops is configured properly and if assign-focus hasn't been overridden (this is commonly done to stop browsers from randomly stealing focus)
2022-03-14 20:16:04 +0100 <twiclo1> Great thanks
2022-03-14 20:16:26 +0100 <geekosaur> we support both _NET_CURRENT_DESKTOP and _NET_ACTIVE_WINDOW messages
2022-03-14 20:17:17 +0100 <geekosaur> it is however possiblethat vimx gets confused by the fact that we don't treat a workspace as spanning all monitors
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2022-03-14 20:20:27 +0100 <twiclo1> Well he doesn't even have EwmhDesktops set up yet so we'll see if that fixes things
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2022-03-14 20:22:26 +0100 <twiclo1> Can you have a shortcut for regular fullscreening of an application and another for "proper" fullscreening with ewmhFullscreen?
2022-03-14 20:22:36 +0100 <twiclo1> Or is it an all or nothing type deal?
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2022-03-14 20:25:29 +0100 <Guest75> Nothing is all or nothing in xmonad : )
2022-03-14 20:25:43 +0100 <geekosaur> I'mnot sure I understand the question.
2022-03-14 20:25:49 +0100 <Guest75> https://old.reddit.com/r/xmonad/comments/su6tb9/how_to_not_allow_a_specific_application_to_go/hxih…
2022-03-14 20:25:49 +0100 <Guest75> An example of how I set this up
2022-03-14 20:26:20 +0100 <geekosaur> all I can get ut of "regular fullscreening" is using a layout which assigns a full screen rectangle to an app, like Full or Simplest
2022-03-14 20:26:28 +0100 <geekosaur> (or almost full screen, like Tabbed)
2022-03-14 20:26:44 +0100 <Guest75> I use an xprop to determine if a window uses the ewmhFullScreen event hook or not
2022-03-14 20:27:01 +0100 <twiclo1> You can set up emwhFullscreen so that an application will actually take up the whole screen instead of just their container right?
2022-03-14 20:27:10 +0100 <twiclo1> Guest75 thanks. I'll look into that
2022-03-14 20:31:32 +0100 <Solid> twiclo1: yes, there's the separate ewmhFullscreen combinator for that
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