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2022-01-27 05:33:06 +0100 <Guest93> myScratchpads :: [NamedScratchpad]
2022-01-27 05:33:07 +0100 <Guest93> myScratchpads = [ NS "ncspot" "alacritty -e ncspot -t scratchpad" (resource =? "ncspot")
2022-01-27 05:33:07 +0100 <Guest93>                       (customFloating $ W.RationalRect (1/4) (1/4) (2/4) (2/4))]
2022-01-27 05:33:08 +0100 <Guest93> Hi I am tryihng to make a floating scratchpad for ncspot but it just crashes instantly, if I remove the -t it will start in a non scratchpad window and keep opening infinite ones? how can i make this work
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2022-01-27 05:41:54 +0100 <Guest93> i got it im sorry for bothering
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2022-01-27 06:12:40 +0100 <Guest93> the fix was putting alacritty -t "name" -e [program] with (title=? "name") if anyone else runs into that!
2022-01-27 06:17:48 +0100dirtcastle(~dirtcastl@103.43.203.227)
2022-01-27 06:26:34 +0100 <dirtcastle> i really like xmonad. but since wayland is becoming popular and I heard it's better technically too, I've been thinking to switch to that eventually. the last commit on wayland github page is 3 yrs ago. is there a reason why waymonad is abandoned? is your team related to that project?
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2022-01-27 08:45:01 +0100 <mc47> dirtcastle we're not related to that project, and I think there's a fork that was picked up around june of last year. We would consider doing something for wayland, but it may be a bit of a stretch
2022-01-27 08:45:14 +0100borisbosnjak[m](~borisbosn@2001:470:69fc:105::1:56a6)
2022-01-27 08:45:25 +0100 <mc47> There's just not enough people who can work on that full-time, and it's quite a beast
2022-01-27 08:45:41 +0100 <mc47> (we talk about it in the sponsors' page https://github.com/sponsors/xmonad)
2022-01-27 08:47:12 +0100 <dirtcastle> what do you mean by beast? it's a hard project?
2022-01-27 08:47:35 +0100 <dirtcastle> that link gives 404 error
2022-01-27 08:50:04 +0100 <dirtcastle> even in that the last commit was 7 months ago 😢
2022-01-27 08:55:36 +0100 <mc47> It's not an easy task
2022-01-27 08:56:26 +0100 <mc47> and the problem with xmonad is that many parts are really tied to X11, so it might be better to just take notes of the lessons learned and start from scratch
2022-01-27 08:57:58 +0100 <mc47> I don't know much about the details though
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2022-01-27 11:36:49 +0100 <geekosaur> dirtcastle, wayland is "technically" better but is still very immature and still wquite likely to crash and kill your session. most of us are waiting for it to settle down.
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2022-01-27 11:38:58 +0100 <geekosaur> as for waymonad, you probably want https://github.com/L-as/waymonad as the most recently maintained one, but it is a few months out of date (but we don't update that often either if we're being honest)
2022-01-27 11:39:25 +0100lambdabot(~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot)
2022-01-27 11:40:29 +0100 <geekosaur> xmonad is kind of difficult to do in wayland and last I'd heard waymonad had hit an impasse of sorts and may need a complete redesign to get past it
2022-01-27 11:48:14 +0100 <Las[m]> yep that's basically it
2022-01-27 11:49:02 +0100 <Las[m]> It's basically necessary to redo 90% of the code.
2022-01-27 11:49:02 +0100 <Las[m]> I will probably do it one day when I stop procrastinating.
2022-01-27 11:52:03 +0100 <liskin> Las[m]: is there a writeup of what the problem is somewhere?
2022-01-27 11:52:42 +0100liskin's time/procrastionation situation isn't much better but still curious :-)
2022-01-27 11:54:10 +0100 <geekosaur> I found one at one point
2022-01-27 11:54:32 +0100 <Las[m]> I had one but I lost it!
2022-01-27 11:54:43 +0100 <liskin> :-D
2022-01-27 11:54:49 +0100 <Las[m]> There are a lot of problems, but a big one is that wlroots has basically changed a huge amount.
2022-01-27 11:55:03 +0100 <Las[m]> The current bindings were made ad-hoc, and are neither type safe nor thread safe.
2022-01-27 11:55:32 +0100 <Las[m]> Waymonad without -threaded isn't very useful.
2022-01-27 11:56:32 +0100 <geekosaur> mm, there's a fair amount of stuff just in the readme
2022-01-27 11:56:42 +0100 <geekosaur> after "contributing"
2022-01-27 11:56:49 +0100 <liskin> well at least it'd keep the xmonad tradition of -threaded being a can of worms :-D
2022-01-27 11:57:00 +0100 <Las[m]> The bindings should optimally be automatically be generated from the C headers, and should ensure that the calls into wlroots are always done from the safe thread too.
2022-01-27 11:57:23 +0100 <Las[m]> I assume that's because XMonad also uses non-thread-safe C libraries?
2022-01-27 11:57:33 +0100 <geekosaur> Xlib isn't thread safe
2022-01-27 11:57:51 +0100 <geekosaur> and redesigning for xcb would break pretty much everything :(
2022-01-27 11:58:02 +0100 <liskin> Xlib can be thread safe probably but would need to be used a bit differently
2022-01-27 11:58:17 +0100 <liskin> xmobar does it
2022-01-27 11:58:17 +0100 <Las[m]> Yeah, there's a standard trick to fix that AFAICT, you just have a dedicated Haskell thread that acts as a proxy.
2022-01-27 11:58:26 +0100 <geekosaur> you can make a call to enable thread safety but it throws everything behind a global lock anbd slows everything down
2022-01-27 11:58:27 +0100 <Las[m]> So any "call" to the Haskell function will do some STM stuff to communicate with the Haskell thread to get it to do it.
2022-01-27 11:58:42 +0100 <Las[m]> that's true
2022-01-27 11:58:51 +0100 <geekosaur> in any case the current xmonad design only uses threads in a very limited fashion
2022-01-27 11:59:12 +0100 <geekosaur> since a bigger problem with threadedness is xmonad's state can't sanely be passed between threads
2022-01-27 11:59:20 +0100 <Las[m]> It's a hard problem
2022-01-27 11:59:26 +0100 <Las[m]> And performance is important because it's critical for e.g. battery life
2022-01-27 12:05:37 +0100 <liskin> it's not that critical for xmonad fortunately, because the X server and the compositor run in separate processes :-)
2022-01-27 12:06:03 +0100 <liskin> still, it would be nice if you could kick off a thread and have it communicate with the main X monad loop
2022-01-27 12:06:33 +0100 <liskin> or at least make safe Xlib calls
2022-01-27 12:06:56 +0100 <liskin> (but then, doing this would be fairly easy, and if there was a real need for it it'd be done by now)
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2022-01-27 21:40:40 +0100arjun(~arjun@user/arjun)
2022-01-27 21:40:59 +0100 <arjun> hi all
2022-01-27 21:41:03 +0100denbrahe(~denbrahe@2001:470:69fc:105::19c0)
2022-01-27 21:41:12 +0100 <arjun> just shifted to xmonad
2022-01-27 21:41:27 +0100 <arjun> how do i split panes IN a tabbed layout?
2022-01-27 21:43:02 +0100GooseYArd(~GooseYArd@70.123.32.124)
2022-01-27 21:46:12 +0100 <geekosaur> the simple tabbed layout doesn't have panes. you can use `addTabs` to add tabs to a layout with panes instead of a full-screen layout, though
2022-01-27 21:53:27 +0100 <geekosaur> replace `simpleTabbed` with `addTabs shrinkText def (Tall 1 (3/100) (1/2))` or something like that (substitute your preferred layout for Tall)
2022-01-27 21:53:42 +0100 <GooseYArd> weird random question, I unfortunately need to use Ciscos Webex Linux app, and it has this goofy effect for popup windows where it draws a second solid black window, which is meant to be behind another window with the actual content I want to see, like replying to a thread. I think its meant to look like a drop-shadow effect, but when using it
2022-01-27 21:53:43 +0100 <GooseYArd> under Xmonad, the black window floats directly overtop of the window I want and has to be dragged out of the way every time. I tried poking around with xprops to see if the black window had some class value that I could match on to try to get rid of it, but no dice. Anyone know if there's a setting I could change to adjust how floating transient
2022-01-27 21:53:43 +0100 <GooseYArd> windows are stacked?
2022-01-27 21:54:33 +0100 <geekosaur> not really. we don't handle floating windows well, I'm afraid
2022-01-27 21:55:51 +0100 <GooseYArd> ok, I'm going to see if I can hassle Cisco into eliminating the useless second window
2022-01-27 21:56:10 +0100 <GooseYArd> it looks cheesy, if nothing else :)
2022-01-27 22:17:29 +0100 <arjun> geekosaur, i did that, how do i tab it now? (key combo)?
2022-01-27 22:18:08 +0100 <geekosaur> hm. I don't think tabs can be activated with keys, aside from the usual mod-j/mod-k
2022-01-27 22:18:29 +0100 <geekosaur> tabs are clickable alternatives to mod-j/k
2022-01-27 22:18:57 +0100 <arjun> 'addTabs shrinkText def (Tall 1 (3/100) (1/2))'
2022-01-27 22:19:03 +0100 <arjun> this has no tabs?
2022-01-27 22:19:53 +0100 <arjun> seems to behave like a regular Tall
2022-01-27 22:20:04 +0100 <arjun> am i missing something?
2022-01-27 22:22:32 +0100 <geekosaur> how many windows do you have open? I think it needs minimum two in that workspace before it shows tabs
2022-01-27 22:23:03 +0100 <geekosaur> try addTabsAlways instead of addTabs if that's not what you want
2022-01-27 22:25:35 +0100 <arjun> 3-4?
2022-01-27 22:25:46 +0100 <arjun> lemme try the other one, hang on
2022-01-27 22:26:28 +0100 <geekosaur> hm. lemme poke
2022-01-27 22:27:11 +0100 <arjun> no tabs : |
2022-01-27 22:28:33 +0100 <arjun> https://pastebin.com/Rf4Hwr7H
2022-01-27 22:28:49 +0100 <arjun> this is it right geekosaur ?
2022-01-27 22:30:09 +0100 <geekosaur> works here. oh,m are you on xmonad 0.15? you may have to override the font or install misc-fixed from your package manager
2022-01-27 22:30:41 +0100 <arjun> xmonad 0.17.0.9
2022-01-27 22:30:55 +0100 <geekosaur> and yes, that's right although it could be simplified since I didin't know if you had the `tiled` definition already or not
2022-01-27 22:31:13 +0100 <geekosaur> huh. no tabs suggests a font problem but 0.17 should use the correct font already
2022-01-27 22:31:26 +0100 <arjun> simpleTabbed works just fine
2022-01-27 22:31:42 +0100 <arjun> so does simpleTabbedRight
2022-01-27 22:32:01 +0100 <geekosaur> mm, right. then I'm not sure what would be wrong. I put that definition in my config and I get tabs
2022-01-27 22:32:56 +0100 <geekosaur> o.O the tabs behave a bit strangely though, more like titlebars
2022-01-27 22:33:54 +0100 <arjun> hmm. weird
2022-01-27 22:33:57 +0100 <arjun> i'll check it out
2022-01-27 22:34:12 +0100 <arjun> if the config is fine and works for you, should work for me
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2022-01-27 22:35:02 +0100 <arjun> thanks for the tutorial on xmonad.org by the way
2022-01-27 22:35:11 +0100 <arjun> i remember seeing your name there : )
2022-01-27 22:35:31 +0100 <geekosaur> it's not mine actually
2022-01-27 22:35:47 +0100 <arjun> sure, but you're here now
2022-01-27 22:35:57 +0100 <geekosaur> I think we're all listed in it but iirc it's Solid's
2022-01-27 22:36:19 +0100 <arjun> yea, my config is just expanding on it
2022-01-27 22:36:50 +0100 <arjun> i really liked how i3 could switch entire layouts in tabs
2022-01-27 22:37:24 +0100jao(~jao@static-68-235-44-10.cust.tzulo.com)
2022-01-27 22:41:00 +0100 <geekosaur> https://imgur.com/oODVfYI fwiw
2022-01-27 22:42:36 +0100 <arjun> wanna switch machines? :troll
2022-01-27 22:43:08 +0100 <arjun> also, if that screen was any wider, it'd need it's own country code lol
2022-01-27 22:43:38 +0100 <geekosaur> actually the first screen is a normal 1080p monitor. the other's my laptop display
2022-01-27 22:44:15 +0100 <arjun> same as mine, sweet
2022-01-27 22:44:29 +0100 <arjun> how'd ya screenshot them like 1 big screen like this?
2022-01-27 22:44:35 +0100 <geekosaur> scrot
2022-01-27 22:44:56 +0100 <arjun> ah, i see
2022-01-27 22:45:22 +0100 <geekosaur> https://github.com/geekosaur/xmonad.hs/blob/skkukuk/xmonad.hs#L166
2022-01-27 22:46:14 +0100 <geekosaur> (that oen doesn't iinclude the addTabs I dropped in locally without committing. if you expand the right half a bit I show that snippet from my xmonad.hs
2022-01-27 22:46:16 +0100 <geekosaur> )
2022-01-27 22:46:27 +0100 <arjun> thanks for the link
2022-01-27 22:46:43 +0100 <arjun> imma rip off your config so bad lmao
2022-01-27 22:47:44 +0100 <geekosaur> hm. you didn't get tabs… did the layout act like fullscreen or a normal Tall layout?
2022-01-27 22:48:54 +0100 <arjun> just like it would if i never called addTabs or the always variant
2022-01-27 22:49:06 +0100 <arjun> i guess i'll just shutdown and try tomorrow
2022-01-27 22:49:17 +0100 <arjun> heck, the shutdown might even fix it xD
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2022-01-27 22:51:08 +0100 <geekosaur> well, at least you confirm the layout isn't simply aborting
2022-01-27 22:51:18 +0100 <geekosaur> which leaves me wondering what;s wrong
2022-01-27 22:51:37 +0100 <geekosaur> just for grins and giggles, try hitting mod-shift-space
2022-01-27 23:26:42 +0100chomwitt(~chomwitt@2a02:587:dc16:6e00:12c3:7bff:fe6d:d374) (Remote host closed the connection)