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2021-10-14 00:46:09 +0200 <jakefromstatefar> I haven't done this, but my guess is: take a layout that gets access to the available screen space, then do the math from there.
2021-10-14 00:46:59 +0200 <geekosaur> all layouts get that in the form of a rectangle. problem is Spacing and friends take simple values, not calculated-at-runtime ones
2021-10-14 00:48:13 +0200 <geekosaur> probably easiest to run xrandr from main before invoking the xmonad combinator, and parsing the output
2021-10-14 00:48:34 +0200 <geekosaur> then computing the spacing you want and passing it in to the layout
2021-10-14 00:48:42 +0200 <geekosaur> annoying but doable
2021-10-14 00:49:03 +0200 <jakefromstatefar> Would that work upon an xrandr update? Or would xmonad need to run its restart mechanism?
2021-10-14 00:49:57 +0200 <geekosaur> you would need to restart anyway, or design a new spacing layout that can be dynamic
2021-10-14 00:51:18 +0200 <jakefromstatefar> How does smartBorders update spacing then? Still only preconfigured values?
2021-10-14 00:51:27 +0200 <geekosaur> suppose you could use https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmonad-contrib-0.16/docs/XMonad-Layout-PerScreen.html and duplicate everything below it
2021-10-14 00:52:02 +0200 <Jazzah> theres a ifWider, which is close, but i sadly the two screens i am comparing have the same width but different height
2021-10-14 00:52:02 +0200 <geekosaur> yes, smartBorders has only two border widths: zero and the one specified in XConfig (which is read-only)
2021-10-14 00:52:42 +0200 <jakefromstatefar> It also touches spacing...
2021-10-14 00:53:11 +0200 <geekosaur> you could also modify a copy of ifWider to make ifTaller
2021-10-14 00:53:17 +0200 <geekosaur> just switch y for x
2021-10-14 00:53:21 +0200 <Jazzah> guess i will try after some sleep, might think better then
2021-10-14 00:54:03 +0200 <jakefromstatefar> geekosaur: Would a simple `flip` and a basic wrapper do the job?
2021-10-14 00:54:27 +0200 <geekosaur> uh. flip of what?
2021-10-14 00:57:14 +0200 <geekosaur> actually I misspoke earlier, it'd be h for w
2021-10-14 00:58:02 +0200 <geekosaur> since the layout receives a screen rectangle (actual, not RationalRect) and you don't particularly care about the origin, just the height
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2021-10-14 09:23:07 +0200 <Jazzah> indeed, making an ifTaller seems like the way to go. gotta try to dig enough haskell to do that
2021-10-14 09:40:01 +0200cfricke(~cfricke@user/cfricke)
2021-10-14 09:48:33 +0200 <liskin> There's an open PR for a generic conditional layout somewhere in contrib. Unfortunately a bit lacking in docs at this point
2021-10-14 09:49:16 +0200 <liskin> Actually not just a conditional layout, a conditional layout modifier, too, which is much better for this usecase
2021-10-14 10:11:36 +0200 <Solid> (probably not going to make it into the release, but feel free to apply the patch)
2021-10-14 10:16:55 +0200geekosaur(~geekosaur@xmonad/geekosaur) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2021-10-14 10:17:23 +0200 <Solid> liskin: I remember you saying that you had some ideas for #605, right? This is something that I think we should definitely include in 0.17
2021-10-14 10:17:36 +0200geekosaur(~geekosaur@xmonad/geekosaur)
2021-10-14 10:17:41 +0200 <Solid> (if you don't have the time it's fine; imo it's good enough to merge in its current state)
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2021-10-14 10:46:47 +0200 <liskin> Solid: yes I have some code that needs like an hour or two of work
2021-10-14 10:47:28 +0200 <liskin> Agree that we should aim to include this in the release
2021-10-14 10:47:43 +0200 <liskin> Can you ping me tomorrow pls?
2021-10-14 10:48:31 +0200 <Solid> sure
2021-10-14 11:25:25 +0200trillp(~trillp@69.233.98.238)
2021-10-14 11:29:51 +0200 <FOSSHuman[m]> Hello everyone, I have a question, I use statusBarGeneric to launch stalonetray in my setup and I wonder where spawnStatusBar and killStatusBar are to be used with it... I don't use either and just did: `statusBarGeneric "stalonetray" (mempty)` and it seems to work, is spawnStatusBar and killStatusBar needed for statusBarGeneric???
2021-10-14 11:29:58 +0200 <FOSSHuman[m]> s/did/used/
2021-10-14 11:30:12 +0200 <FOSSHuman[m]> s/did/used/, s/work/kill and launch stalonetray/
2021-10-14 11:30:52 +0200 <FOSSHuman[m]> Nvm just looked at the source and it looks like statusBarGeneric kills the statusbar using the string that is supplied..
2021-10-14 11:31:14 +0200 <FOSSHuman[m]> * statusBarGeneric kills and spawns the statusbar
2021-10-14 11:32:31 +0200mestre(~mestre@191.177.175.57)
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2021-10-14 11:41:04 +0200 <Solid> indeed
2021-10-14 11:41:21 +0200 <Solid> maybe it's worth emphasizing it more that a normal user doesn't really have to touch these helper functions at all
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2021-10-14 17:18:46 +0200 <jakefromstatefar> https://p.bsd-unix.net/view/a293fb47 - is there a better way to do this? And, how should I go about creating a third fallback, with predefined variables?
2021-10-14 17:19:39 +0200 <jakefromstatefar> fcs = ... and bcs = ... aren't particularly relevant here, don't worry about those.
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2021-10-14 17:42:44 +0200 <Solid> which part, exactly?
2021-10-14 17:43:11 +0200 <Solid> I suppose you could use alternatives for wm{b,f}c
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2021-10-14 18:26:49 +0200 <Solid> r.e. the logo contest; what do we think a good system would be?
2021-10-14 18:27:21 +0200 <Solid> I think a public vote would be great, but I fear we might run into boaty-mc-boatface type situations
2021-10-14 18:27:26 +0200 <Solid> (or worse)
2021-10-14 18:28:09 +0200 <liskin> We need a committee! :-D
2021-10-14 18:28:16 +0200 <Solid> x)
2021-10-14 18:29:16 +0200mekeor[m](~mekeormat@2001:470:69fc:105::17e4) ()
2021-10-14 18:33:48 +0200 <alternateved> I am not sure how open are you to that idea and how much of xmonad community uses reddit, but you might think of announcing the contest on reddit
2021-10-14 18:34:33 +0200 <alternateved> Like, encourage people to send the logo propositions as reddit posts on xmonad subbreddit and decide by a number of upvotes
2021-10-14 18:35:01 +0200 <alternateved> But this would put the the case in people
2021-10-14 18:35:39 +0200 <Solid> if we do this publicly I was more thinking a github issue with one post per submission
2021-10-14 18:36:23 +0200 <alternateved> Yeah, that might be better
2021-10-14 18:37:03 +0200 <alternateved> And less random I presume
2021-10-14 18:47:45 +0200 <jakefromstatefar> <Solid> "which part, exactly?" <- The logic shown in there is as follows: `if .cache/.../colors then .cache/.../colors otherwise if ./colors then ./colors else [predefined,colors]`
2021-10-14 18:48:57 +0200 <geekosaur> this is a good use case for monadic Maybe
2021-10-14 18:49:34 +0200 <jakefromstatefar> But, I don't have that last if statement in the paste I provided.
2021-10-14 18:53:42 +0200 <Solid> For this specific example, perhaps something like http://ix.io/3BKg/haskell would work
2021-10-14 19:16:30 +0200 <liskin> Solid: we can enable discussions on Github perhaps, make a category for the logos
2021-10-14 19:18:22 +0200 <jakefromstatefar> Where do I import `<|>` from?
2021-10-14 19:19:24 +0200 <alternateved> XMonad.Prelude?
2021-10-14 19:19:25 +0200 <Solid> liskin: oh that's a neat idea!
2021-10-14 19:19:30 +0200 <Solid> Control.Applicative
2021-10-14 19:19:37 +0200 <Solid> or XMonad.Prelude, yes
2021-10-14 19:19:54 +0200 <Solid> jakefromstatefar: for cases like this hoogle is great: https://hoogle.haskell.org/?hoogle=%3C%7C%3E
2021-10-14 19:21:03 +0200 <jakefromstatefar> I used hoogle, but it gave me a bunch of general things, none of which were for xmonad.
2021-10-14 19:21:15 +0200 <jakefromstatefar> Perhaps I should've used my local git version...
2021-10-14 19:29:29 +0200 <Solid> XMonad.Prelude just re-exports Control.Applicative.(<|>)
2021-10-14 19:29:35 +0200 <Solid> so it's not xmonad specific at all
2021-10-14 19:30:59 +0200 <liskin> https://x0.at/OqnK.png
2021-10-14 19:31:14 +0200 <liskin> That's a nice number!
2021-10-14 19:35:07 +0200 <Solid> :D
2021-10-14 19:35:11 +0200 <Solid> very nice
2021-10-14 19:49:29 +0200 <FOSSHuman[m]> https://github.com/jaor/xmobar/issues/239
2021-10-14 19:49:43 +0200 <FOSSHuman[m]> Useful script for XMobar
2021-10-14 19:50:31 +0200 <FOSSHuman[m]> <liskin> "https://x0.at/OqnK.png" <- Very nice! This project deserves sponsors
2021-10-14 19:51:18 +0200 <geekosaur> not bad
2021-10-14 19:51:25 +0200 <geekosaur> now, can we keep it up?
2021-10-14 19:53:23 +0200thunderrd(~thunderrd@183.182.110.52)
2021-10-14 19:53:31 +0200 <liskin> We'll see. From what tbabej told me, some cancellations are expected, so we'll need to make up for it by working on acquiring new sponsors here and there.
2021-10-14 19:54:18 +0200 <liskin> And it's also compensated by one-off donations, which there were lots as well. If GitHub was right (and it isn't), we'd be over $1k in balance by the next payout.
2021-10-14 19:55:05 +0200 <liskin> Realistically we might have like $700 to spend in our collective by the end of October.
2021-10-14 19:57:03 +0200 <alternateved> In that situation, the more people know about it, the better
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2021-10-14 19:59:21 +0200 <liskin> Yes and no. People don't really like to be spammed with requests for money, so the ideal strategy is to tell everyone exactly at the moment they're ready and willing to donate.
2021-10-14 19:59:27 +0200 <liskin> Which is obviously impossible.
2021-10-14 20:00:13 +0200 <alternateved> I was more thinking about some forms of showing what could you do with xmonad
2021-10-14 20:00:25 +0200 <liskin> Oh I see
2021-10-14 20:01:03 +0200 <alternateved> The more people appreciate it the more of them will be willing to check how they could help
2021-10-14 20:02:41 +0200 <alternateved> But this is obvious I guess
2021-10-14 20:03:00 +0200 <liskin> Certainly, if we were able to write interesting blog posts showing off new (and old) features, demoing configuration snippets, talking about different workflow, etc., that would be good PR
2021-10-14 20:03:21 +0200 <FOSSHuman[m]> https://xmonad.org/posts.html
2021-10-14 20:03:26 +0200 <FOSSHuman[m]> ??
2021-10-14 20:03:37 +0200 <liskin> Indeed, we do have the infrastructure for that now
2021-10-14 20:04:08 +0200 <liskin> Probably nobody subscribes to the RSS feed, but we have a place to publish them, and we have reddit and twitter to announce them.
2021-10-14 20:04:15 +0200 <liskin> Now we just need someone to write them :-)
2021-10-14 20:04:33 +0200 <alternateved> Yeah, exactly that. Some videos showing off what xmonad could do would be also great
2021-10-14 20:05:12 +0200 <alternateved> For example, there is not a lot of this stuff on YouTube - and a lot of newcomers would check there first
2021-10-14 20:05:54 +0200 <alternateved> You might also consider contacting the Distrotube guy about your new release
2021-10-14 20:06:28 +0200 <alternateved> He's got some audience, so he could promote you a bit in that time
2021-10-14 20:07:23 +0200 <liskin> We can do guest posts, and I would have no trouble paying some rewards for those. (Although there's obviously the little problem that someone might do a subpar post just for the money, just as people do shitoberfest PRs just for t-shirts. Absolutely no idea how to deal with this in a fair way. But if someone's fine with writing a post just for the fun of it and if it's any good then having it
2021-10-14 20:07:25 +0200 <liskin> posted on our website with some bonus payout, that's super easy to do.)
2021-10-14 20:08:45 +0200 <alternateved> I might consider doing something like that
2021-10-14 20:08:57 +0200 <liskin> (I mean, we can also ignore the problem altogether. xmonad is a niche little project in a niche little Haskell community. Ignoring problems that plague other projects/communities has worked very well for us for over a decade. :-))
2021-10-14 20:09:07 +0200 <alternateved> But not for the money, just for the fun and writing practice
2021-10-14 20:09:41 +0200 <alternateved> (Yeah, after all some people might consider Haskell a hurdle impossible to overcome)
2021-10-14 20:09:44 +0200 <liskin> Awesome!
2021-10-14 20:11:54 +0200 <Solid> liskin: where is the RSS feed at? I don't see it mentioned anywhere on the site
2021-10-14 20:12:22 +0200 <liskin> Solid: <link type="application/atom+xml" rel="alternate" href="https://xmonad.org/feed.xml" title="xmonad - the tiling window manager that rocks" />
2021-10-14 20:12:49 +0200 <liskin> might be worth mentioning it explicitly in posts.html though
2021-10-14 20:14:20 +0200 <Solid> oh neat
2021-10-14 20:16:03 +0200 <alternateved> You might also want to mention it as bullet in `What's new?` section
2021-10-14 20:16:27 +0200 <alternateved> since it is pretty what RSS feed is about
2021-10-14 20:16:40 +0200 <liskin> my RSS reader (liferea) does autodiscovery, so I just "add feed" with the webpage URL and it usually works
2021-10-14 20:16:59 +0200 <liskin> (and I also have a browser extension, but most people won't)
2021-10-14 20:17:11 +0200Solidhas not
2021-10-14 20:17:29 +0200 <alternateved> Yeah, I don't really use RSS feed that much.
2021-10-14 20:19:32 +0200 <Solid> it'll grow on you
2021-10-14 20:20:13 +0200 <alternateved> Haha, maybe. I'm just starting.
2021-10-14 20:21:16 +0200 <alternateved> Is there anything Haskell-wise worth tracking via RSS feed?
2021-10-14 20:22:04 +0200 <geekosaur> new learning-Haskell resources, maybe
2021-10-14 20:22:58 +0200 <geekosaur> oh, I misunderstood that
2021-10-14 20:23:11 +0200 <geekosaur> there used to be planet haskell but I think it's dead
2021-10-14 20:23:50 +0200 <geekosaur> and… well, it used to track a lot of esoterica rather than what I'd consider useful stuff
2021-10-14 20:23:58 +0200 <geekosaur> especially in the context of xmonad
2021-10-14 20:24:11 +0200 <Solid> seems to still be alive https://planet.haskell.org/
2021-10-14 20:24:17 +0200 <Solid> (never heard of it though)
2021-10-14 20:24:40 +0200 <geekosaur> I mean, I think most of us are out of here if someone introduces type level programming into xmonad :)
2021-10-14 20:24:52 +0200 <Solid> :D
2021-10-14 20:25:52 +0200 <geekosaur> (that said, I think there's some HList foo in -extras and possibly MultiToggle)
2021-10-14 20:26:33 +0200 <Solid> yeah MultiToggle uses HLists
2021-10-14 20:26:50 +0200 <Solid> so that ship seems to have sailed already
2021-10-14 20:26:52 +0200 <Solid> time to go nuts :>
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2021-10-14 22:18:04 +0200liskinhas almost a dozen rss feeds related to Haskell but doesn't read any of them :-/
2021-10-14 22:19:56 +0200 <mc47> liskin, about the xmonad-docs thingy
2021-10-14 22:20:02 +0200 <mc47> Solid as well
2021-10-14 22:20:21 +0200 <mc47> are you suggesting to freeze xmonad-docs once we do the release, so it points to 0.17 and 0.16?
2021-10-14 22:20:32 +0200 <mc47> Or am I misunderstanding something?
2021-10-14 22:21:10 +0200 <mc47> (I'll be on mc47[m])
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2021-10-14 22:21:19 +0200 <liskin> mc47[m]: what I'm suggesting is to bump to 0.17.0.999 immediately so that 0.17 in xmonad-docs keeps being the doc for 0.17
2021-10-14 22:22:12 +0200 <liskin> (not necessarily three nines, that's a convention from elsewhere)
2021-10-14 22:22:52 +0200 <geekosaur> 0.17.0.3.1.4.5.9…
2021-10-14 22:23:04 +0200 <geekosaur> dropped a 1, whoops
2021-10-14 22:23:26 +0200 <geekosaur> h/t Don Knuth of course
2021-10-14 22:25:18 +0200 <mc47[m]> Wait, doesn't xmonad-docs containd the docs for the current git version?
2021-10-14 22:25:20 +0200 <mc47[m]> Haha
2021-10-14 22:25:37 +0200 <geekosaur> I thought so, and we get current release version from hackage
2021-10-14 22:25:54 +0200 <geekosaur> certainly that's what I've been doing
2021-10-14 22:26:32 +0200 <geekosaur> release versions in xmonad-docs dates from a period when early hackage was highly unstable and we wanted independent docs to be available
2021-10-14 22:29:24 +0200 <mc47[m]> Yeah same
2021-10-14 22:30:17 +0200 <liskin> xmonad-docs contains all versions since we had xmonad-docs, for the simple reason that URLs on Teh Internet shall not be broken
2021-10-14 22:30:57 +0200 <liskin> and there are also symlinks so that one can meaningfully link to the latest version (like one can with hackage)
2021-10-14 22:31:08 +0200 <liskin> but we haven't had xmonad-docs for long.
2021-10-14 22:31:56 +0200 <liskin> (by all versions I mean all version numbers, not all git revisions)
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2021-10-14 22:32:36 +0200 <liskin> it acts like an unversioned filesystem that we keep adding stuff to, if the filename is the same it's overwritten, if the filename is different it's added
2021-10-14 22:32:56 +0200 <mc47[m]> Oh that's awesome
2021-10-14 22:33:25 +0200 <mc47[m]> I suppose it's a good alternative
2021-10-14 22:47:53 +0200 <FOSSHuman[m]> Hello everyone; I've been using stalonetray and I just added the new `ewmhFullscreen` function to my config (this issue also happened on the non-git version of XMonad and XMonad-Contrib); I added a parameter in stalonetray's config to lower it on start and I still experience the issue where stalonetray is above fullscreen windows, this happens occasionally though and sometimes stalonetray is below fullscreen windows, but most of the time
2021-10-14 22:47:53 +0200 <FOSSHuman[m]> it is above fullscreen windows, any idea how to fix this??
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