2021/10/04

2021-10-04 00:01:38 +0200 <geekosaur> you might. check the changelog, it will say any backward compat issues: https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/blob/master/CHANGES.md https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad/blob/master/CHANGES.md
2021-10-04 00:02:05 +0200 <geekosaur> actually we should list the XDG changes in the latter as potentially breaking, I think
2021-10-04 00:03:30 +0200 <geekosaur> since some corner cases behave differently now
2021-10-04 00:04:43 +0200 <geekosaur> we mostly try to avoid breaking older configs because people still pass around configs from the 0.9 days and expect them to work :)
2021-10-04 00:05:20 +0200 <geekosaur> and folks like byorgey who mostly have used the same xmonad.hs for many versions
2021-10-04 00:06:22 +0200 <geekosaur> (heck, I tweak things every few weeks but my basic xmonad.hs is unchanged since 2008 or thenabouts)
2021-10-04 00:13:34 +0200 <cjb> reading those changes, why is the binary going into XDG_CACHE_DIR? the temporary files make sense because if they are deleted it doesn't matter
2021-10-04 00:14:11 +0200 <geekosaur> the binary is also regenerated if it's not there
2021-10-04 00:14:45 +0200 <geekosaur> the only file that is really required is xmonad.hs (and any lib files it might use)
2021-10-04 00:15:12 +0200 <cjb> fair enough, just means login will take longer for people how have XDG_CACHE_DIR pointed to a tmpfs
2021-10-04 00:15:20 +0200 <cjb> s/how/who/
2021-10-04 00:15:45 +0200 <geekosaur> in my experience, even with a fairly complex xmonad.hs it takes about 2 seconds to compile
2021-10-04 00:16:01 +0200 <TORRENTER[m]> <geekosaur> "(heck, I tweak things every..." <- Very nice, this backwards compatibility that XMonad has is really handy, especially for lazy people like me lol
2021-10-04 00:16:30 +0200 <geekosaur> and that's on a slow, low memory laptop
2021-10-04 00:18:02 +0200 <cjb> my config takes 14s to recompile, but my computer is from the dark ages so probably doesn't matter too much. also I can work around this change by setting XMONAD_CACHE_DIR
2021-10-04 00:25:07 +0200electr0n(~electr0n@about/security/founder/electr0n)
2021-10-04 00:26:24 +0200 <Archanus[m]> <Ihaveaquestion> "Sorry for my poor english..." <- How small are you shrinking the windows? I just got on my pc and I'm able to shrink wi flows down to a 1x1 pixel square without any problems
2021-10-04 00:27:31 +0200 <geekosaur> it may be a specific application that crashes if the windows get too small
2021-10-04 00:28:19 +0200 <geekosaur> that said, such applications should really set the minimum and maximum window sizes if applicable instead of crashing
2021-10-04 00:28:50 +0200 <geekosaur> I think we obey those, at least
2021-10-04 00:30:43 +0200 <geekosaur> I know we look at them because if min, max, and default window size are all set the same, we autofloat at that size
2021-10-04 00:31:22 +0200 <Archanus[m]> geekosaur: O
2021-10-04 00:33:04 +0200 <Archanus[m]> geekosaur: I'm not entirely sure what theyre talking about, I', assuming manual resizing the window, but I'm unable to replicate the problem
2021-10-04 00:33:46 +0200 <geekosaur> yeh, that's how I read it as well
2021-10-04 00:39:12 +0200 <geekosaur> the question may be whether we properly obey WM_NORNMAL_HINTS
2021-10-04 00:39:48 +0200 <geekosaur> although I note ICCCM says the client has to accept the size the wm gives it, the size hints are only hints
2021-10-04 00:39:56 +0200 <geekosaur> so this may be a buggy client
2021-10-04 00:40:09 +0200 <geekosaur> (tiling window managers often provoke such bugs)
2021-10-04 00:41:35 +0200 <geekosaur> in any case, forcing a minimum in resize requires copying and reimplementing the resize code
2021-10-04 00:42:01 +0200 <geekosaur> there's no easy way to hook into it because it's spread over multiple events
2021-10-04 00:42:44 +0200 <geekosaur> in any case, they seem to have left
2021-10-04 00:43:15 +0200 <Archanus[m]> oh, I missed that, guess I didn't answer them fast enough
2021-10-04 00:44:07 +0200 <Archanus[m]> so, since I got you here, looking back on the previous conversation a bit, what would be the correct way of having xmonad.hs restart xmobar automatically?
2021-10-04 00:46:37 +0200seschwar(~seschwar@user/seschwar) (Quit: :wq)
2021-10-04 00:59:43 +0200 <geekosaur> probably to use the new StatusBar stuff since it does what people tend to expect
2021-10-04 01:00:01 +0200 <geekosaur> (it's in git xmonad/xmonad-contrib)
2021-10-04 01:00:25 +0200 <geekosaur> the old way assumed you were feeding it over a pipe so the old one would go away automatically on mod-q when xmonad did
2021-10-04 01:02:28 +0200 <geekosaur> StatusBar requires you to use its mechanisms for starting bars so it knows what to kill on restart
2021-10-04 01:04:58 +0200 <Archanus[m]> i' reading through the link now...not making all that much sense yet as I think I'm still running an older version of xmonad
2021-10-04 01:05:14 +0200 <Archanus[m]> yah, all my xmobars are running through pipes from xmonad
2021-10-04 01:06:43 +0200 <geekosaur> do they all use StdinReader?
2021-10-04 01:07:05 +0200 <geekosaur> because without that they won't be reading to notice the EOF when xmonad goes away
2021-10-04 01:07:08 +0200 <Archanus[m]> i'm not ready to upgrade quite yet I don't think, I ONLY just got my system set up to about 90% of what I want, it's basically useable now except for a few little things I haven't been able to figure out yet
2021-10-04 01:07:17 +0200 <Archanus[m]> geekosaur: yes
2021-10-04 01:08:06 +0200 <Archanus[m]> I think so
2021-10-04 01:08:39 +0200 <Archanus[m]> I'm actually a super noob still, I've learned a lot, but still have a long way to go so please bear with me
2021-10-04 01:11:19 +0200 <geekosaur> I'm not much of an expert on xmobar, but I do know you need StdinReader both in the Run stuff and in the template or xmobar will ignore it
2021-10-04 01:13:31 +0200 <Archanus[m]> huh, I didn't know that, let me see if that works or if I jsut broke my system again
2021-10-04 01:15:37 +0200SpiderPig(~matt@047-132-233-190.res.spectrum.com)
2021-10-04 01:17:18 +0200 <Archanus[m]> yeah, stdinreader just makes so the bar won't spawn
2021-10-04 01:18:12 +0200 <geekosaur> hm. can you check the log? (this is usually .xsession-errors but may be in journald / journalctl)
2021-10-04 01:19:16 +0200 <geekosaur> if you run startx from the console then you'll need to switch back to the text console to see the errors
2021-10-04 01:25:13 +0200 <Archanus[m]> hmm nothing is popping out at me from journalctl...I'll probably have to fiddle with things a bit to see what changed. it will probably have to be after work though... I can't get into it too deep right now
2021-10-04 01:26:08 +0200 <geekosaur> you could also try running it from a terminal to see what error messages it spits out
2021-10-04 01:26:11 +0200 <Archanus[m]> but this seems like the right place to get some support unless I am mistaken?
2021-10-04 01:26:23 +0200 <geekosaur> yes
2021-10-04 01:26:37 +0200 <geekosaur> just not really from me :(
2021-10-04 01:26:50 +0200 <geekosaur> maybe someone else will show up who can help more
2021-10-04 01:26:56 +0200 <Archanus[m]> I have like 3 issues and 2 things which would be nice to figure out how to do
2021-10-04 01:27:31 +0200 <Archanus[m]> no worries, you've already helped me a lot, thank you
2021-10-04 01:27:52 +0200 <Archanus[m]> at least in getting me pointed in the right direction of where to look
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2021-10-04 04:11:48 +0200 <mc47[m]> Archanus how are you starting xmonad? Are you using a login manager?
2021-10-04 04:22:12 +0200geekosaur(~geekosaur@xmonad/geekosaur) (Remote host closed the connection)
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2021-10-04 04:27:17 +0200geekosaur(~geekosaur@xmonad/geekosaur)
2021-10-04 04:32:26 +0200 <Archanus[m]> <mc47[m]> "Archanus how are you starting..." <- I'll have to check, but pretty sure it sddm
2021-10-04 04:36:23 +0200 <mc47[m]> check .local/lib/sddm/xsession.log for the logs then, not journactl
2021-10-04 04:36:41 +0200 <mc47[m]> (or sth similar, I can't access my laptop at the moment)
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2021-10-04 09:16:25 +0200matijja`matijja
2021-10-04 09:35:48 +0200TORRENTER[m]uploaded an image: (56KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/LefPyFLrghJcXnKnKliMBlax/Screenshot%2… >
2021-10-04 09:35:48 +0200azg256(~azg256@78-56-98-5.static.zebra.lt)
2021-10-04 09:35:51 +0200 <TORRENTER[m]> Yo guys, it seems that the AUR package for xmonad-git has issues with itself, see this screenshot:
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2021-10-04 09:36:09 +0200 <TORRENTER[m]> I'll just manually git clone it anyway, but still..
2021-10-04 09:37:11 +0200 <Solid> wouldn't that better be directed at the person maintaining these packages?
2021-10-04 09:37:21 +0200 <TORRENTER[m]> yes that's true
2021-10-04 09:37:48 +0200 <TORRENTER[m]> I'll delete the messages
2021-10-04 09:40:38 +0200 <Solid> ah don't bother; IRC will still see them anyways :)
2021-10-04 09:55:31 +0200 <TORRENTER[m]> anyone have some good XMonad wallpapers
2021-10-04 09:55:49 +0200 <TORRENTER[m]> actually I'll search for them
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2021-10-04 10:37:53 +0200 <Solid> do share if you find some good ones :)
2021-10-04 11:00:07 +0200jidra[m](~jidramatr@2001:470:69fc:105::ceaa) (Quit: You have been kicked for being idle)
2021-10-04 11:13:25 +0200 <TORRENTER[m]> https://www.opendesktop.org/s/Wallpapers/p/1213294/
2021-10-04 11:13:29 +0200 <TORRENTER[m]> Found a good one
2021-10-04 11:14:28 +0200 <TORRENTER[m]> Flipping heck this phone is slow slow
2021-10-04 11:14:37 +0200 <TORRENTER[m]> s/slow/so/
2021-10-04 11:27:25 +0200 <Solid> I would call this more of a Haskell wp than an xmonad one, but it works I suppose
2021-10-04 11:29:37 +0200 <TORRENTER[m]> Yeah works I guess
2021-10-04 11:29:59 +0200 <TORRENTER[m]> Found another one which is also a Haskell wp but works
2021-10-04 11:30:03 +0200 <TORRENTER[m]> https://www.opendesktop.org/p/1217113/
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2021-10-04 11:39:24 +0200rieper(~riepernet@sxbeta1.geo.uni-leipzig.de)
2021-10-04 11:47:02 +0200 <TORRENTER[m]> I'll make a wp in Gimp tonight with the actual xmonad logo, any ideas of what else to add to it? (Disclaimer: GIMP beginner)
2021-10-04 11:50:32 +0200 <TORRENTER[m]> I'll just make a public git repo with a bunch of gimp made wallpapers for XMonad
2021-10-04 12:17:28 +0200 <geekosaur> /r/unixporn has a few nice xmonad setups including wallpapers
2021-10-04 12:18:43 +0200 <Solid> TORRENTER[m]: https://imgur.com/a/4W1qM0o is what I have in some directory (only the last one is the actual xmonad logo, the others are ideas that I came up with at some point)
2021-10-04 12:19:20 +0200 <Solid> I just got an email from open collective about Hacktoberfest; what do we think about this?
2021-10-04 12:19:49 +0200 <TORRENTER[m]> Solid: Looks nice, very minimalist too
2021-10-04 12:19:50 +0200 <Solid> It could drive some contributions to the project, though AFAIR Void had some issues with spam last year
2021-10-04 12:21:17 +0200liskinis on a hungarian train which blocks both imap and udp, so can't get to his mailbox, but I'm generally sympatethic to hacktoberfest
2021-10-04 12:22:07 +0200 <geekosaur> but they allow irc (or matrix)? odd
2021-10-04 12:22:22 +0200 <liskin> I have ssh on 443
2021-10-04 12:23:02 +0200 <liskin> setting up a mixer that lets me access imap and smtp and the vpn is on my todo list, but I rarely need it these days
2021-10-04 12:24:31 +0200 <liskin> (I know I can just forward all that through ssh, just too lazy to set it up.)
2021-10-04 12:26:19 +0200 <TORRENTER[m]> Anyone know if the XMobar volume mixer works with Pipewire??? Rn I'm just using a bash script to run a command repeatedly to get the vol
2021-10-04 12:27:11 +0200 <TORRENTER[m]> And its slow af
2021-10-04 12:27:35 +0200 <liskin> $ SOCKS_SERVER=localhost:8080 socksify m
2021-10-04 12:27:38 +0200 <liskin> okay that was easy :-)
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2021-10-04 12:31:01 +0200 <TORRENTER[m]> LinusTechTips lol
2021-10-04 12:38:24 +0200 <liskin> Solid: I added the hacktoberfest tags to both github and opencollective, let's see what happens next
2021-10-04 12:39:17 +0200 <liskin> we could tweet about it as well, possibly
2021-10-04 12:40:01 +0200 <liskin> (I'm trying to catch up on stuff so this is a bit low prio for me now)
2021-10-04 12:41:08 +0200 <liskin> shall we perhaps set up tweetdeck or sth?
2021-10-04 12:50:27 +0200 <Solid> oh neat, thanks for doing that so quickly :)
2021-10-04 12:50:48 +0200 <Solid> (I have absolutely no idea about twitter and thus no opinion regarding that)
2021-10-04 13:03:01 +0200 <TORRENTER[m]> Hello everyone again, I was messing around with adding icons to workspaces, but I have showWorkspaceNames configured to show workspace names, instead it shows the XMobar markup along with the workspace name, any way to strip XMobar markup before showWorkspaceNames picks it up???
2021-10-04 13:03:16 +0200 <TORRENTER[m]> * XMobar markup for the icon along with
2021-10-04 13:03:53 +0200 <TORRENTER[m]> Or any way to specify what showWorkspaceNames will output??
2021-10-04 13:06:17 +0200 <TORRENTER[m]> * XMobar markup for the icon (e.g: 2 - Web <fn=1>\xf738 </fn>) along with
2021-10-04 13:06:26 +0200 <TORRENTER[m]> * XMobar markup for the icon (e.g: 2 - Web <fn=1>\xf738 </fn> ) along with
2021-10-04 13:06:34 +0200 <TORRENTER[m]> * XMobar markup for the icon (e.g: "2 - Web <fn=1>\xf738 ") along with
2021-10-04 13:06:50 +0200 <TORRENTER[m]> * XMobar markup for the icon (e.g: "2 - Web <fn=1>\xf738 </fn>") along with
2021-10-04 13:07:04 +0200 <TORRENTER[m]> * XMobar markup for the icon (e.g: "`2 - Web <fn=1>\xf738 </fn>`") along with
2021-10-04 13:07:26 +0200 <TORRENTER[m]> * XMobar markup for the icon (e.g `2 - Web <fn=1>\xf738 </fn>` ) along with
2021-10-04 13:07:40 +0200 <TORRENTER[m]> * XMobar markup for the icon (e.g `"2 - Web <fn=1>\xf738 </fn>"` ) along with
2021-10-04 13:07:52 +0200 <TORRENTER[m]> * XMobar markup for the icon (e.g "`2 - Web <fn=1>\xf738 </fn>`" ) along with
2021-10-04 13:09:19 +0200 <TORRENTER[m]> Or is there any way to strip the markup for the myWorkspaces list??
2021-10-04 13:09:41 +0200 <TORRENTER[m]> * the myWorkspaces (`workspaces = myWorkspaces`) list??
2021-10-04 13:09:53 +0200 <TORRENTER[m]> * the myWorkspaces (`workspaces = myWorkspaces`) string list??
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2021-10-04 14:12:42 +0200 <geekosaur> typically what you do in that case is add the markup only in the DynamicLog stuff. that makes it much trickier to set up, though
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2021-10-04 14:18:16 +0200 <Solid> why is ShowWName a layout modifier anyways? Seems to me it could be just a logHook while keeping track of the last focused workspace
2021-10-04 14:18:43 +0200 <geekosaur> I asked that a few weeks ago :)
2021-10-04 14:18:49 +0200 <Solid> :)
2021-10-04 14:19:09 +0200 <geekosaur> that said, when it was added we didn't have ExtensibleState yet (and XS required a core change)
2021-10-04 14:19:20 +0200 <Solid> ah
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2021-10-04 17:42:32 +0200 <mc47> liskin: you told me to remind you of checking #605
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2021-10-04 18:15:18 +0200 <jakefromstatefar> liskin: Where in your XMonad config is the code that prevents application focus stealing and replaces it with something similar to urgencyHook?
2021-10-04 18:15:31 +0200 <jakefromstatefar> I remember discussing it a while ago, but I forget where in your config it was.
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2021-10-04 18:35:26 +0200 <Solid> jakefromstatefar: that functionality sounds like it could be in #399
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2021-10-04 21:20:31 +0200 <liskin> mc47: oh yes, I actually attempted to improve your code on the train last tuesday, but I failed miserably and then simply didn't have time to post my failed attempt anywhere :-(
2021-10-04 21:21:55 +0200 <liskin> so I'll try to comment tomorrow
2021-10-04 21:23:01 +0200 <liskin> jakefromstatefar: https://github.com/liskin/dotfiles/blob/9db6de03f074e6122401db092d4d8b1833bc71ea/.xmonad/xmonad.hs… but as Solid mentioned, that needs wip code from #399
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2021-10-04 21:42:10 +0200 <mc47> liskin awesome
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