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2021-05-26 08:34:39 +0200 <Solid_> Topic for #xmonad is "This channel has moved to ##xmonad. The topic is in violation of freenode policy: https://freenode.net/policies"
2021-05-26 08:34:44 +0200 <Solid_> they actually kicked us off
2021-05-26 08:34:46 +0200 <Solid_> lol
2021-05-26 08:34:49 +0200Solid_Solid
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2021-05-26 09:17:40 +0200amenonsenwakes up and performs routine check of xmonad-contrib#396
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2021-05-26 10:39:45 +0200 <Solitary> Solid, yes they are stealing lot of channels
2021-05-26 11:01:06 +0200scardinal(~supreme@87-59-138-136-cable.dk.customer.tdc.net)
2021-05-26 11:05:45 +0200themainman(~themainma@user/themainman)
2021-05-26 11:10:56 +0200 <amenonsen> stealing? you mean liberating! from all those tyrannical channel owners who are forcing poor innocent users to switch from freenode.
2021-05-26 11:14:08 +0200 <Solid> amazing
2021-05-26 11:16:35 +0200 <amenonsen> the freenode (web) front page even has a rant about it.
2021-05-26 11:16:55 +0200 <amenonsen> how cancel culture is destroying poor freenode.
2021-05-26 11:22:24 +0200 <mc47> facebook messenger ftw
2021-05-26 11:56:57 +0200 <liskin> I should probably make an announcement on Twitter
2021-05-26 11:57:05 +0200 <liskin> how do I not fuck it up?
2021-05-26 11:58:12 +0200 <mc47> not sure if you can fuck it up
2021-05-26 11:58:24 +0200 <mc47> people are already pretty mad about it
2021-05-26 12:05:39 +0200niko(~if@libera/staff/niko)
2021-05-26 12:05:57 +0200niko+o liskin
2021-05-26 12:06:10 +0200 <liskin> niko: ♥
2021-05-26 12:06:16 +0200 <Solid> nice!
2021-05-26 12:07:18 +0200 <Solid> liskin: this is straight up a hostile takeover, I don't think you can fuck muhc up there
2021-05-26 12:07:54 +0200 <Solid> If you want references I know that void ( https://voidlinux.org/news/2021/05/freenode-takeover.html ) gentoo ( https://www.gentoo.org/news/2021/05/26/gentoo-freenode-channels-hijacked.html ) have already made similar statements
2021-05-26 12:08:45 +0200 <liskin> Solid: nice, the gentoo one is short and good
2021-05-26 12:09:25 +0200 <amenonsen> hi liskin! you told me to harass you periodically about the ewmh window activation bug. ;-)
2021-05-26 12:09:40 +0200 <niko> have a greate day
2021-05-26 12:09:41 +0200 <amenonsen> (i'm crab, who wasn't in time to register that nick in the shuffle.)
2021-05-26 12:09:53 +0200niko(~if@libera/staff/niko) (https://libera.chat)
2021-05-26 12:10:16 +0200 <amenonsen> cancel culture lost me eight of my legs
2021-05-26 12:10:32 +0200 <liskin> amenonsen: hi :-)
2021-05-26 12:11:22 +0200 <liskin> amenonsen: the most recent status of that bug is this: https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/pull/399#issuecomment-845882787
2021-05-26 12:11:43 +0200 <liskin> tl;dr it's on my "today" task list
2021-05-26 12:12:04 +0200 <liskin> which means it will not be done today, but it's in my working memory again
2021-05-26 12:12:26 +0200 <amenonsen> great.
2021-05-26 12:12:35 +0200 <liskin> if it weren't for this IRC drama, I may have gotten to it already :-/
2021-05-26 12:12:40 +0200 <amenonsen> if you need someone to test/verify/whatever, i'm happy to try and help.
2021-05-26 12:13:06 +0200 <liskin> good to know your current nickname then :-)
2021-05-26 12:19:14 +0200ChanServ+c
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2021-05-26 12:20:53 +0200 <Solid> aww
2021-05-26 12:20:56 +0200 <Solid> \e[1;31mSad
2021-05-26 12:22:57 +0200 xmonad: the tiling window manager with formally proven extensions | https://xmonad.org | https://wiki.haskell.org/Xmonad/Frequently_asked_questions | cheatsheet: https://wiki.haskell.org/File:Xmbindings.png | https://ircbrowse.tomsmeding.com/browse/lcxmonad
2021-05-26 12:24:54 +0200 <Solid> huh, I just realized that, on the website, we are also linking to the cheatsheet that's hosted on the haskell wiki and not the one that's hosted on the website :)
2021-05-26 12:27:18 +0200 <liskin> Solid: pls check that you can op yourself via chanserv
2021-05-26 12:27:43 +0200ChanServ+o Solid
2021-05-26 12:27:51 +0200 <Solid> liskin: works :)
2021-05-26 12:28:04 +0200 <liskin> good
2021-05-26 12:28:13 +0200liskin-o liskin
2021-05-26 12:28:38 +0200 <liskin> so now we just wait for geekosaur, give him access as well, and then we can ask for cloaks as well
2021-05-26 12:28:43 +0200 <Solid> awesome
2021-05-26 12:28:58 +0200Solid-o Solid
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2021-05-26 13:07:53 +0200 <liskin> https://twitter.com/xmonad/status/1397509701043097607
2021-05-26 13:16:21 +0200 <Solid> hah, that giant image of buster keaton really made me laugh
2021-05-26 13:17:27 +0200 <fizzie> Seeing images/cheat/xmbindings.png in the diff of that attached commit was real confusing. "What, we've had a default key binding to join IRC all this time?" (Turns out it was much less exciting than that.)
2021-05-26 13:17:58 +0200 <Solid> :D
2021-05-26 13:19:46 +0200 <liskin> a default keybinding to join IRC seems like the 90s equivalent of those support chat widgets on websites like what Intercom does :-)
2021-05-26 13:41:07 +0200 <amenonsen> what happened to geekosaur?
2021-05-26 13:41:18 +0200 <amenonsen> is freenode holding them hostage?
2021-05-26 13:44:13 +0200 <Solid> just doesn't have a bouncer ;)
2021-05-26 13:45:41 +0200 <mc47> It's cool that the logs moved as well
2021-05-26 13:45:57 +0200 <Solid> indeed
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2021-05-26 19:31:49 +0200 <hi> anybody else getting errors like this: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion
2021-05-26 19:32:47 +0200 <liskin> hi: sounds like https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Locale#Generating_locales may help
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2021-05-26 20:03:07 +0200 <liskin> geekosaur: not sure if you noticed, but freenode channels were hijacked this morning so I decided it's time to message the ircops directly and they dealt with our application in no time
2021-05-26 20:03:22 +0200 <liskin> geekosaur: just added you as a founder to chanserv
2021-05-26 20:03:52 +0200 <liskin> if anyone has any idea what cloaks we want I'm all ears
2021-05-26 20:03:55 +0200 <geekosaur> yeh, I noticed the hijacking last night around midnight my time
2021-05-26 20:04:07 +0200 <liskin> probably just @xmonad/developer/… ?
2021-05-26 20:04:19 +0200 <geekosaur> I was planning to get a haskell cloak tbh, since I'm an op over there
2021-05-26 20:04:43 +0200 <liskin> oh, okay :-)
2021-05-26 20:05:03 +0200 <Solid> liskin: libera (on their website) suggests projectname/*
2021-05-26 20:05:13 +0200 <Solid> which I think works fine
2021-05-26 20:05:43 +0200 <liskin> we're probably small enough a community that cutting the middle level makes sense
2021-05-26 20:05:44 +0200 <Solid> a haskell cloak is of course much more prestigious than a mere xmonad cloak :>
2021-05-26 20:05:53 +0200 <liskin> is it?
2021-05-26 20:07:21 +0200 <Solid> cloaks are usually only given to people affiliated with projects, so a haskell cloak would indicate (to me) affiliation with the language in some way
2021-05-26 20:07:28 +0200 <Solid> sounds prestigious to me
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2021-05-26 20:09:50 +0200 <Solid> there it is again
2021-05-26 20:10:12 +0200 <geekosaur> yeh, was just about to msg tomsmeding about it when it connected again
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2021-05-26 20:18:37 +0200 <hi> I'm still getting the language problem, though I was able to set the locale. I'm also getting this error: error while loading shared libraries: libHSxmonad-contrib-0.16-KKfUmtIonstICqbgIKQKYh-ghc8.10.4.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
2021-05-26 20:25:29 +0200 <geekosaur> arch? you may want to start over with stack, arch has a broken haskell package ecosystem
2021-05-26 20:26:07 +0200 <Solid> these kins of reports are coming in more frequently
2021-05-26 20:26:11 +0200 <Solid> I wonder what they broke this time
2021-05-26 20:27:27 +0200 <geekosaur> there's a shortcoming in xmonad's recompilation detection: it detects changes in your config, but not in dependencies like xmonad-contrib
2021-05-26 20:28:09 +0200 <geekosaur> this normally doesn't show up because xmonad is statically linked everywhere but on arch
2021-05-26 20:28:26 +0200 <hi> yeah, I'm on manjaro
2021-05-26 20:28:44 +0200 <hi> I did their stuff for xmonad, then tried building again with stack, but it looks like everything is still pointing to the old arch files
2021-05-26 20:29:14 +0200 <Solid> we just had someone using arch doing a writeup on how to properly build with stack
2021-05-26 20:29:55 +0200 <Solid> check out this issue https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad/issues/301
2021-05-26 20:30:14 +0200 <Solid> and their resulting SO answer: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/67710115/broken-xmonad-dependencies-after-pacman-update-how-to…
2021-05-26 20:30:28 +0200 <Solid> which should just be what's in INSTALL.md, but you never know
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2021-05-26 21:07:57 +0200 <liskin> Solid: they didn't necessarily break anything new
2021-05-26 21:08:04 +0200 <liskin> it's just the natural state of things
2021-05-26 21:09:00 +0200 <liskin> distrotube talks about xmonad → lots of new people install xmonad (on arch, naturally, because demographics) → a few months pass and people's systems update → all those people come in complaining
2021-05-26 21:10:00 +0200 <liskin> not implying that DT or those new people are to blame, our installation story and docs aren't perfect either
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2021-05-26 21:13:10 +0200 <hi> I'm trying to do everything via stack but now it's telling me that ~/.local/share/xmonad/xmonad-x86_64-linux: executeFile: does not exist (No such file or directory)
2021-05-26 21:13:59 +0200matijja(~matijja@193.77.181.208)
2021-05-26 21:14:01 +0200 <liskin> hi: do you have a build script?
2021-05-26 21:14:53 +0200 <Solid> liskin: I would expect arch users to update their system fairly often; why are these issues bunching up now?
2021-05-26 21:14:56 +0200 <hi> yes
2021-05-26 21:15:24 +0200 <geekosaur> because only now did someone change the xmonad package in such a way that the xmonad-contrib hash changed?
2021-05-26 21:15:27 +0200 <hi> build script looks like https://github.com/slotThe/xmonad/blob/new-tutorial/INSTALL.md#tell-xmonad-how-to-recompile-itself
2021-05-26 21:15:43 +0200 <liskin> Solid: I wouldn't know such details
2021-05-26 21:15:47 +0200 <geekosaur> sorry, xmonad-contrib package
2021-05-26 21:16:36 +0200 <geekosaur> the arch maintainer's been known to grab (sometimes older) git releases
2021-05-26 21:17:01 +0200 <liskin> hi: that's a bit weird, xmonad does tell the buildscript where to place the result
2021-05-26 21:18:00 +0200 <liskin> I should probably set up an "ordinary user's xmonad setup" somewhere cause otherwise I have no idea whether this stuff works or what it's supposed to look like :-/
2021-05-26 21:18:38 +0200 <geekosaur> that's why I betaed the cabal instructions with my own config :)
2021-05-26 21:18:40 +0200 <liskin> hi: does xmonad --recompile show any interesting output?
2021-05-26 21:18:53 +0200 <hi> success is all
2021-05-26 21:19:11 +0200 <hi> uses the right build script at the right location
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2021-05-26 21:27:39 +0200 <geekosaur> sigh, need to get a new router, this one did not survive a couple years in storage — it crashes regularly
2021-05-26 21:28:50 +0200 <hi> throws a couple small errors when compiling xmonad-contrib
2021-05-26 21:29:05 +0200 <hi> stack, from git, I mean
2021-05-26 21:36:32 +0200frosch03(~user@2a02:8070:7ab:1b00:397e:4353:be62:b47b)
2021-05-26 21:38:59 +0200 <geekosaur> I don't think there's such aa thing as "small" errors; can you pastebin?
2021-05-26 21:39:05 +0200 <geekosaur> @where paste
2021-05-26 21:39:05 +0200 <lambdabot> Help us help you: please paste full code, input and/or output at e.g. https://paste.tomsmeding.com
2021-05-26 21:48:00 +0200 <hi> ty. here's what happens when I stack install https://paste.tomsmeding.com/2LOuaCsv
2021-05-26 21:48:28 +0200 <hi> they're the only errors that pop up in the process until I try to execute; build says it passes successfully
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2021-05-26 21:49:48 +0200 <geekosaur> ok, those are mostly deprecation warnings, I think cleanups there are still pending in git. but I notice right at the end that it's copying to the wrong executable name, the buildscript should be overriding it
2021-05-26 21:49:53 +0200 <geekosaur> …whoops
2021-05-26 21:50:19 +0200 <liskin> is it though?
2021-05-26 21:50:29 +0200 <liskin> that's just install of xmonad and -contrib
2021-05-26 21:50:34 +0200hi20(~hi@c-67-176-187-120.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
2021-05-26 21:51:44 +0200 <geekosaur> hm, that implies the buildscript is wrong, then
2021-05-26 21:51:54 +0200 <geekosaur> or they're not running the buildscript
2021-05-26 21:51:55 +0200 <liskin> does it?
2021-05-26 21:51:59 +0200 <liskin> yep
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2021-05-26 21:53:39 +0200 <geekosaur> hi20, is this using the buildscript or just building xmonad and xmonad-contrib?
2021-05-26 21:54:23 +0200 <hi20> stack init/stack install/xmonad --recompile
2021-05-26 21:54:53 +0200 <liskin> but there's no xmonad --recompile output in the paste
2021-05-26 21:55:39 +0200 <hi20> xmonad --recompile exits successfully
2021-05-26 21:55:48 +0200 <hi20> that paste was the output of stack install
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2021-05-26 21:57:24 +0200 <liskin> with no output? okay can you put "set -x" above the stack exec in the build script?
2021-05-26 22:00:12 +0200 <hi20> I don't think I have a build script. I followed this: https://github.com/slotThe/xmonad/blob/new-tutorial/INSTALL.md
2021-05-26 22:00:28 +0200 <hi20> OH WAIT
2021-05-26 22:00:31 +0200 <hi20> gah
2021-05-26 22:00:59 +0200 <hi20> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/f35ecf91a8cb4ee85db794df376f2c7f/pasted.txt
2021-05-26 22:01:38 +0200 <liskin> that jk is a typo?
2021-05-26 22:03:06 +0200 <hi20> ty
2021-05-26 22:05:18 +0200 <hi20> still having this problem: https://paste.tomsmeding.com/4mKbfN8y
2021-05-26 22:06:57 +0200 <liskin> that's probably expect if another WM is running?
2021-05-26 22:07:01 +0200 <liskin> *expected
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2021-05-26 22:16:29 +0200 <hi> whoa that completely worked, thank you so much
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2021-05-26 22:20:38 +0200 <liskin> hi: so, what was the real issue then?
2021-05-26 22:20:40 +0200 <liskin> just the jk typo?
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2021-05-26 22:25:03 +0200 <liskin> well anyway, if that was it, it's one more reason I'd really like to get rid of build scripts
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