| 2021-08-09 06:58:51 +0200 | TomasJakl[m] | (~jaklttchn@2001:470:69fc:105::a42) (*.net *.split) |
| 2021-08-09 06:59:05 +0200 | TomasJakl[m] | (~jaklttchn@2001:470:69fc:105::a42) |
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| 2021-08-09 07:02:58 +0200 | Tisoxin | (~ikosit@user/ikosit) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) |
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| 2021-08-09 07:52:15 +0200 | TomasJakl[m] | (~jaklttchn@2001:470:69fc:105::a42) |
| 2021-08-09 08:17:19 +0200 | fap[m] | (~fapmatrix@2001:470:69fc:105::cd11) |
| 2021-08-09 08:33:23 +0200 | Tisoxin | (~ikosit@user/ikosit) |
| 2021-08-09 14:28:17 +0200 | nij- | (~jin@2001-48F8-9021-806-0-0-0-1AD1-dynamic.midco.net) |
| 2021-08-09 14:28:49 +0200 | <nij-> | Hello, I'm using kmonad0.4.1-2 https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/kmonad-bin |
| 2021-08-09 14:29:08 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | hello again |
| 2021-08-09 14:29:15 +0200 | <nij-> | While I run `kmonad ./tutorial.kbd -d`, where tutorial us taken from https://github.com/kmonad/kmonad/blob/master/keymap/tutorial.kbd |
| 2021-08-09 14:29:54 +0200 | <nij-> | I got the error https://bpa.st/KFMA |
| 2021-08-09 14:29:55 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | The tutorial uses features not yet available in a release (iirc) |
| 2021-08-09 14:30:27 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | `cmq-seq-delay` is one of those features afaik |
| 2021-08-09 14:32:24 +0200 | <nij-> | I see. I will comment out the unsupported features and try again. |
| 2021-08-09 14:32:35 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | nij-: If you want to use those features anyway, you should build kmonad manually |
| 2021-08-09 14:32:47 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | E.g. with stack |
| 2021-08-09 14:33:06 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | https://github.com/kmonad/kmonad/blob/master/doc/installation.md#using-stack |
| 2021-08-09 14:33:41 +0200 | <nij-> | Anyway to use cabel? |
| 2021-08-09 14:33:53 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | i think cabal should work as well |
| 2021-08-09 14:34:42 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | `cabal install all` should install kmonad (when you execute it from kmonad's git repository) |
| 2021-08-09 14:35:12 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | It'll probably install it in ~/.local/bin |
| 2021-08-09 14:35:28 +0200 | <nij-> | Lemme see. I remember cabal is less disk space consuming. |
| 2021-08-09 14:35:44 +0200 | <nij-> | Haven't used the haskell build infrastructure for a while. |
| 2021-08-09 14:36:55 +0200 | Tisoxin | uses cabal as well |
| 2021-08-09 14:39:05 +0200 | <nij-> | Could you remind the difference..? IIRC stack pull a copy into a project, while cabal (v2) symlink the libs needed for a project right? |
| 2021-08-09 14:39:18 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | hm |
| 2021-08-09 14:40:17 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | I actually know nothing about such a difference… |
| 2021-08-09 14:40:29 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | Afaik, stack is a wrapper around cabal |
| 2021-08-09 14:40:31 +0200 | <Solid> | the new cabal commands are about as sandboxed as stack is, so I doubt there's much of a space difference |
| 2021-08-09 14:40:37 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | At least that's what i thought |
| 2021-08-09 14:40:59 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | Solid: They use nix, aren't they? |
| 2021-08-09 14:41:17 +0200 | <nij-> | I see. Most likely I have messed up with my memory. I will use cabal if I need the latest version. For now I just want to see kmonad to be effecitve xD |
| 2021-08-09 14:41:36 +0200 | <Solid> | nij-: you can check out the release tag on github |
| 2021-08-09 14:41:45 +0200 | <Solid> | that tutorial should then work with the version you have |
| 2021-08-09 14:42:45 +0200 | <Solid> | ( https://github.com/kmonad/kmonad/blob/0.4.1/keymap/tutorial.kbd ) |
| 2021-08-09 14:43:17 +0200 | <nij-> | Ah ha good idea. Thanks Solid! |
| 2021-08-09 14:45:05 +0200 | <nij-> | After modprobing uinput, I still get the following from `kmonad tutorial.kbd` |
| 2021-08-09 14:45:15 +0200 | <nij-> | kmonad: /dev/uinput: openFd: permission denied (Permission denied) |
| 2021-08-09 14:45:24 +0200 | <nij-> | Does that mean I should run kmonad as root? |
| 2021-08-09 14:45:30 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | No |
| 2021-08-09 14:45:44 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | are you in the uinput group? |
| 2021-08-09 14:45:56 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | (you can run it with root) |
| 2021-08-09 14:47:00 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | You have to be in the uinput and the input group to run kmonad without root |
| 2021-08-09 14:47:54 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | (Which could be a security issue) |
| 2021-08-09 14:48:31 +0200 | <nij-> | $ usermod -a -G uinput nij \\=> usermod: group 'uinput' does not exist |
| 2021-08-09 14:48:49 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | You need to add a udev rule first |
| 2021-08-09 14:49:47 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | # KMonad user access to /dev/uinput |
| 2021-08-09 14:49:47 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | KERNEL=="uinput", MODE="0660", GROUP="uinput", OPTIONS+="static_node=uinput" |
| 2021-08-09 14:50:12 +0200 | <nij-> | Wait.. is this in the tutorial? |
| 2021-08-09 14:50:22 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | hmm |
| 2021-08-09 14:50:43 +0200 | <nij-> | Oh in the q&a found! |
| 2021-08-09 14:51:02 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | The installation instructions could be bettter |
| 2021-08-09 14:51:19 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | atm its only mentioned in the instructions for NixOS and Guix |
| 2021-08-09 14:53:30 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | <Tisoxin> "(Which could be a security issue" <- Though every program you run on your normal user could just put an alias for sudo in your bashrc … so i guess, if a malicious program wants to use the input group it could just as well use it with root… |
| 2021-08-09 14:55:03 +0200 | <nij-> | Not sure if I report it here. |
| 2021-08-09 14:55:20 +0200 | <nij-> | Have followed FAQ: https://github.com/kmonad/kmonad/blob/master/doc/faq.md "Add a udev rule (in either /etc/dev/rules.d or /lib/udev/rules.d) ..." |
| 2021-08-09 14:55:39 +0200 | <nij-> | I added a rule in /lib/udev/rules.d and modprobe.. the problem persists. |
| 2021-08-09 14:55:52 +0200 | <nij-> | Now I'm going to try adding a rul in /etc/dev/rules.d |
| 2021-08-09 14:56:07 +0200 | <nij-> | (but on my machine there's just /etc/udev/rules.d..) |
| 2021-08-09 14:56:42 +0200 | <nij-> | Not sure what to do now \@_@/ |
| 2021-08-09 14:57:31 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | Those `modinfo uinput` throw an error? |
| 2021-08-09 14:58:02 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | *Does |
| 2021-08-09 14:58:58 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | Are you in the uinput/input groups? (check with the command `groups`) |
| 2021-08-09 14:59:44 +0200 | <nij-> | OH I see not yet. But I have added myself to the group. Maybe I need to reboot. |
| 2021-08-09 15:00:01 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | you probably only need to relog |
| 2021-08-09 15:00:32 +0200 | <nij-> | Lemme do that! Thank you Tisoxin |
| 2021-08-09 15:00:36 +0200 | nij- | (~jin@2001-48F8-9021-806-0-0-0-1AD1-dynamic.midco.net) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2021-08-09 15:00:37 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | np |
| 2021-08-09 15:04:31 +0200 | nij- | (~jin@2001-48F8-9021-806-0-0-0-1AD1-dynamic.midco.net) |
| 2021-08-09 15:05:05 +0200 | <nij-> | Rebooted actually, just to make sure. |
| 2021-08-09 15:05:15 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | does it work? |
| 2021-08-09 15:05:28 +0200 | <nij-> | Now the error is kmonad: /dev/input/by-path/platform-i8042-serio-0-event-kbd: openFd: permission denied (Permission denied) |
| 2021-08-09 15:05:46 +0200 | <nij-> | But notice that I have changed the tutorial |
| 2021-08-09 15:05:47 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | are you in the input group? |
| 2021-08-09 15:05:56 +0200 | <nij-> | to => (device-file "/dev/input/by-path/platform-i8042-serio-0-event-kbd") |
| 2021-08-09 15:06:10 +0200 | <nij-> | Yes, `groups` comfirms that I'm in uinput. |
| 2021-08-09 15:06:36 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | i should have made it clearer, but you need to be in both uinput and input |
| 2021-08-09 15:06:44 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | uinput to read and input to write |
| 2021-08-09 15:06:48 +0200 | <nij-> | I see! Lemme do that and reboot. |
| 2021-08-09 15:07:03 +0200 | <nij-> | Oh actually FAQ says that "If the uinput group does not exist, check whether your system has an input group and try adding your user to that one instead. If this does not work, create a new group with:" |
| 2021-08-09 15:07:10 +0200 | <nij-> | Lemme do it. thanks for your patience! |
| 2021-08-09 15:07:43 +0200 | nij- | (~jin@2001-48F8-9021-806-0-0-0-1AD1-dynamic.midco.net) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2021-08-09 15:07:48 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | hm |
| 2021-08-09 15:07:57 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | The faq is to unclear there |
| 2021-08-09 15:08:15 +0200 | <Solid> | (contributions welcome) |
| 2021-08-09 15:08:17 +0200 | <Solid> | :> |
| 2021-08-09 15:08:20 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | At least i don't know of a distro that has the uinput group by default |
| 2021-08-09 15:08:35 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | Solid: I can't be bothered right now :3 |
| 2021-08-09 15:08:40 +0200 | <Solid> | hah |
| 2021-08-09 15:08:48 +0200 | nij- | (~jin@2001-48F8-9021-806-0-0-0-1AD1-dynamic.midco.net) |
| 2021-08-09 15:08:59 +0200 | <nij-> | It werks! Now the party begins :) |
| 2021-08-09 15:09:05 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | :] |
| 2021-08-09 15:09:19 +0200 | <Solid> | maybe we can rope nij- into contributing then :D |
| 2021-08-09 15:09:38 +0200 | <nij-> | By modding the FAQ? |
| 2021-08-09 15:09:44 +0200 | <nij-> | I'm not good at all at haskell... |
| 2021-08-09 15:09:57 +0200 | <nij-> | I am very curious about how kmonad does its magic though. |
| 2021-08-09 15:09:57 +0200 | <Solid> | Don't have to know haskell to make a doc change :) |
| 2021-08-09 15:10:18 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | hm |
| 2021-08-09 15:10:24 +0200 | <nij-> | One thing to be sure |
| 2021-08-09 15:10:36 +0200 | <nij-> | IN https://github.com/kmonad/kmonad/blob/master/doc/faq.md it mentions /etc/dev/rules.d |
| 2021-08-09 15:10:44 +0200 | <nij-> | Does it mean /etc/udev/rules.d instead? |
| 2021-08-09 15:10:57 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | I wonder if kmonad's interior is frp based |
| 2021-08-09 15:11:11 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | It's too long, since the last time a took a look at the code |
| 2021-08-09 15:11:36 +0200 | <Solid> | nij-: I would imagine so |
| 2021-08-09 15:11:38 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | nij-: Probably |
| 2021-08-09 15:11:50 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | At least i don't have a "/etc/dev" path |
| 2021-08-09 15:15:09 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | Solid: Is the forall in `type AnyK a = forall m. MonadK m => m a` actually needed? |
| 2021-08-09 15:16:46 +0200 | <Solid> | Tisoxin: what would you write instead? |
| 2021-08-09 15:17:23 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | hm |
| 2021-08-09 15:17:26 +0200 | <Solid> | Have to get the `m` from somewhere |
| 2021-08-09 15:18:03 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | ok, that generates sense |
| 2021-08-09 15:18:16 +0200 | <Solid> | (this is called an existential type and it's a pretty neat idea to encode stuff) |
| 2021-08-09 15:23:12 +0200 | <nij-> | https://github.com/kmonad/kmonad/pull/329 |
| 2021-08-09 15:23:13 +0200 | <nij-> | Done |
| 2021-08-09 15:23:19 +0200 | <nij-> | Thanks for all your help :) |
| 2021-08-09 15:25:26 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | nij-: i like |
| 2021-08-09 15:28:21 +0200 | <nij-> | Solid: last time I asked how possibly can kmonad be so portable - it even works on Windows! |
| 2021-08-09 15:28:32 +0200 | <nij-> | IIRC your answer is that it hacks uinput directly.. |
| 2021-08-09 15:28:41 +0200 | <nij-> | But it seems that uinput is linux specific. |
| 2021-08-09 15:28:56 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | it is |
| 2021-08-09 15:29:14 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | It's just that the concept of keycode is very uniform across the platforms |
| 2021-08-09 15:29:22 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | *keycodes |
| 2021-08-09 15:33:06 +0200 | <Solid> | yeah the actual way to get the keycodes is a very small part of the whole process |
| 2021-08-09 15:33:33 +0200 | <Solid> | after that it's more or less put into the same representation and only converted back to env-specific instructions once we're sending the keycode |
| 2021-08-09 15:34:48 +0200 | <nij-> | Gotcha! So cool. |
| 2021-08-09 15:35:43 +0200 | <Solid> | I wish we were more portable though (e.g. instead of windows I wish we'd support the BSDs :>) |
| 2021-08-09 15:37:34 +0200 | <nij-> | So many standards.. :( :( |
| 2021-08-09 15:38:20 +0200 | <Solid> | indeed |
| 2021-08-09 15:38:47 +0200 | <Solid> | though it's probably not even all that difficult, I reckon most of the linux syscalls we use have equivalences on the bsds |
| 2021-08-09 15:39:00 +0200 | <Solid> | just a matter of getting a bsd user interested enough in the project to contribute :) |
| 2021-08-09 15:39:19 +0200 | <nij-> | :> |
| 2021-08-09 15:39:33 +0200 | <nij-> | Now kmonads work for my tutor.kbd. |
| 2021-08-09 15:39:49 +0200 | <nij-> | I see there's one block of defsrc, and many deflayers. |
| 2021-08-09 15:40:03 +0200 | <nij-> | What should I do to "enable" a particular layer? |
| 2021-08-09 15:40:25 +0200 | <nij-> | For example, there's a layer called symbols: `(deflayer symbols ..` |
| 2021-08-09 15:41:12 +0200 | <Solid> | there are different buttons for that, like `layer-switch`, that take the layer name and toggle (or permanently switch) you to it |
| 2021-08-09 15:41:39 +0200 | <Solid> | the `defsrc` is for kmonad to understand your keyboard layout, the first `deflayer` will be the layout you start with |
| 2021-08-09 15:42:14 +0200 | <Solid> | think of this as a stack after that; you can put a new layer on top of the stack, at which point you'll have to pop it to go back down |
| 2021-08-09 15:42:27 +0200 | <nij-> | OH! I see :) |
| 2021-08-09 15:44:54 +0200 | <nij-> | Oh my god. Yes! Yes! :) It all clicks now. Thanks :D |
| 2021-08-09 15:45:41 +0200 | <nij-> | I'm pretty closed to my journey to start learning APL. Excited! |
| 2021-08-09 15:49:36 +0200 | <nij-> | So.. to find out what "rmet" is, I go to Keycode.hs, and find that it matches to "KeyRightMeta". |
| 2021-08-09 15:49:55 +0200 | <nij-> | However, how do I find which physical key to press in order to fire "KeyRightMeta"? |
| 2021-08-09 15:50:46 +0200 | <Solid> | `evtest` should show you which keycode the key you pressed corresponds to |
| 2021-08-09 15:54:59 +0200 | <nij-> | Indeed <3 I can write up a tutorial for this too. Thanks so much :) :) |
| 2021-08-09 15:55:17 +0200 | <Solid> | That'd be much appreciated |
| 2021-08-09 15:55:26 +0200 | Solid | should really take a more active role in development |
| 2021-08-09 15:56:23 +0200 | <nij-> | kmonad has been tremendous. I think it needs more recognition. |
| 2021-08-09 15:56:45 +0200 | <nij-> | It was such a pain to configure key using xmodkbr or its friends. I'm glad. |
| 2021-08-09 15:59:23 +0200 | <Solid> | indeed, the horror of xmodmap files also drove me to this project :) |
| 2021-08-09 17:39:15 +0200 | Tisoxin | would also like to contribute actively |
| 2021-08-09 17:39:46 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | I just don't have enough time atm :/ |
| 2021-08-09 17:40:13 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | and also I'm not an experienced Haskell programmer |
| 2021-08-09 17:40:17 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | (Though that's not such a big problem) |
| 2021-08-09 17:55:48 +0200 | <nij-> | Hm. But what else do we need from kmonad? I though mose features are there already? |
| 2021-08-09 18:02:06 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | mose? |
| 2021-08-09 18:02:09 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | well, there are a ton of features i'd like to see (especially changing the config syntax) |
| 2021-08-09 18:02:23 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | a ton™ |
| 2021-08-09 18:08:07 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | e.g.: |
| 2021-08-09 18:08:07 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | - satisfying unicode support |
| 2021-08-09 18:08:07 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | - signals (i'd like to have a client application to the kmonad daemon, with which i can send signals to the deamon) |
| 2021-08-09 18:08:07 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | - better config syntax (this includes also lots of buttons i'd like to have) |
| 2021-08-09 18:08:15 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | I guess that's all of it |
| 2021-08-09 18:09:06 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | It's a very small list, but every item is a huge task |
| 2021-08-09 18:24:54 +0200 | <nij-> | signals - what's a client application? |
| 2021-08-09 18:25:13 +0200 | <nij-> | better config syntax what's a button that's lacking now? |
| 2021-08-09 18:27:22 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | nij-: Kmonad normally runs as a daemon ("server"), so i'd name an application that can talk to it "client" |
| 2021-08-09 18:28:07 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | (a bit like dunstctl) |
| 2021-08-09 18:28:17 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | nij-: E.g. once i wanted to apply a modifier to all buttons in a layer apart from a few |
| 2021-08-09 18:30:55 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | nij-: I also dislike that the first layer definition is the base layer |
| 2021-08-09 18:32:03 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | (Though that's just a minor detail) |
| 2021-08-09 18:32:15 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | nij-: If you take a look at the issues, you'll also see that there are many buttons one could implement |
| 2021-08-09 18:35:07 +0200 | <nij-> | I see. Is it easy to make a server in haskell?! |
| 2021-08-09 18:35:24 +0200 | <nij-> | So people can change the state on the fly? |
| 2021-08-09 18:35:30 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | https://github.com/kmonad/kmonad/issues/237 |
| 2021-08-09 18:36:04 +0200 | <nij-> | By the way.. I'm trying to add esc and f1 into defsrc, but I don't know which symbol it corresponds. |
| 2021-08-09 18:36:13 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | nij-: depends on what you mean with server |
| 2021-08-09 18:36:54 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | It's pretty easy to create a web server |
| 2021-08-09 18:37:02 +0200 | <nij-> | Tisoxin: I'd imagine it's like a ghci, which the user can alter on live. |
| 2021-08-09 18:37:18 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | Also it's not that hard to create a ffi interface |
| 2021-08-09 18:37:28 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | Though it seems like there is no package for cross-platform interprocess communication (for haskell) |
| 2021-08-09 18:37:33 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | nij-: should be just esc/f1 |
| 2021-08-09 18:38:09 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | nij-: that's not really what i meant |
| 2021-08-09 18:38:22 +0200 | <nij-> | But it's not in the list - https://github.com/kmonad/kmonad/blob/master/src/KMonad/Keyboard/Keycode.hs#L353 |
| 2021-08-09 18:38:41 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | More like a "kmonadctl send $SIGNAL" |
| 2021-08-09 18:38:44 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | Where $SIGNAL could be a keycode or sth |
| 2021-08-09 18:39:13 +0200 | <nij-> | Ah I see. |
| 2021-08-09 18:39:44 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | nij-: those names seem to be aliases instead of the normal names |
| 2021-08-09 18:40:29 +0200 | <nij-> | ? For example, in `(KeyCompose, ["comp", "cmps", "cmp"])` I know that I can refer to KeyCompose with the symbol `cmp`. |
| 2021-08-09 18:40:40 +0200 | <nij-> | But for KeyEsc, what should I do? |
| 2021-08-09 18:41:17 +0200 | <Solid> | every key gets an automatic alias without the `Key` at the start and with a lower-case first letter |
| 2021-08-09 18:41:41 +0200 | <Solid> | e.g. `KeyName` automatically gets the alias `name` |
| 2021-08-09 18:41:45 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | nij-: For the other keys, kmonad apparently just takes the constructor (like `KeyEsc`) and drops the first three letters and makes the name lowercase |
| 2021-08-09 18:41:56 +0200 | <Solid> | the other aliases are simply additional |
| 2021-08-09 18:42:22 +0200 | <Solid> | r.e. what we'd like to change: I think the way we handle keycodes needs to be fundamentally reworked |
| 2021-08-09 18:42:45 +0200 | <Solid> | right now we only see what real button was pressed, but don't know what this corresponds to in the currently selected layer |
| 2021-08-09 18:43:02 +0200 | <Solid> | this makes it basically impossible to do things like chaining sticky keys (which is a feature that people would like to see) |
| 2021-08-09 18:43:37 +0200 | <Solid> | further, instead of having crazy button names like tap-hold-next-release it would be much more ergonomic to have a small set of primitives that can be composed in creative ways |
| 2021-08-09 18:44:45 +0200 | <Solid> | but first things first, we need to finish the ongoing keycode refactor |
| 2021-08-09 18:44:55 +0200 | <Solid> | touching any of that stuff right now would not be wise |
| 2021-08-09 18:50:59 +0200 | <nij-> | I see. |
| 2021-08-09 18:51:12 +0200 | <nij-> | The potential seems profound :O |
| 2021-08-09 18:51:25 +0200 | <Solid> | indeed :) |
| 2021-08-09 18:51:44 +0200 | <Solid> | it helps that kmonad itself it quite a clean codebase, so I don't think any of these would be impossible (although probably not trivial either) |
| 2021-08-09 18:51:55 +0200 | <Solid> | s/it quite/is quite/ |
| 2021-08-09 18:55:59 +0200 | <nij-> | I wish I know more haskell :D |
| 2021-08-09 18:56:36 +0200 | <Solid> | ah it's not like I know a lot myself :> |
| 2021-08-09 18:59:25 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | Solid: … |
| 2021-08-09 18:59:54 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | You're the 8th contributor to xmonad and the 4th contributor to xmonad-contrib… |
| 2021-08-09 18:59:57 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | (Though I don't know how github calculates those stats) |
| 2021-08-09 19:00:18 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | So you must know a bit more than just a bit ≈ a lot |
| 2021-08-09 19:00:26 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | ▢ |
| 2021-08-09 19:00:45 +0200 | <Solid> | I would imagine number of commits or something |
| 2021-08-09 19:01:02 +0200 | <nij-> | loo |
| 2021-08-09 19:01:04 +0200 | <Solid> | and holy shit really? |
| 2021-08-09 19:01:09 +0200 | <nij-> | LöL |
| 2021-08-09 19:01:15 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | <Solid> "it helps that kmonad itself it..." <- Unicode is impossible |
| 2021-08-09 19:01:52 +0200 | <Solid> | huh, apparently you're right, 4th most commits to xmonad-contrib |
| 2021-08-09 19:01:56 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | :( |
| 2021-08-09 19:01:59 +0200 | <Solid> | well, that still doesn't mean I know what I'm doing :D |
| 2021-08-09 19:02:22 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | well, nearly impossible (at least on linux) |
| 2021-08-09 19:02:37 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | you can do unicode with things like compose (sucks) or input methods (sucks as well) |
| 2021-08-09 19:02:38 +0200 | <Solid> | unicode is impossible because there simply are no keycodes for it |
| 2021-08-09 19:02:45 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | compose is the current implementation for linux |
| 2021-08-09 19:02:48 +0200 | <Solid> | that's not really something we can do anything about |
| 2021-08-09 19:02:56 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | lol |
| 2021-08-09 19:03:14 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | nij-: öäu |
| 2021-08-09 19:03:28 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | *ü |
| 2021-08-09 19:03:29 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | :] |
| 2021-08-09 19:03:42 +0200 | <nij-> | I'm configuring kmonad for apl.. surprised that it hasn't been done before. |
| 2021-08-09 19:03:45 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | Solid: we can upstream unicode keycodes™ |
| 2021-08-09 19:03:50 +0200 | <Solid> | hah |
| 2021-08-09 19:03:57 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | .o(like anybody cares) |
| 2021-08-09 19:08:03 +0200 | Tisoxin | has already lots of apl symbols on his keyboard |
| 2021-08-09 19:10:46 +0200 | <nij-> | https://bpa.st/SEQA |
| 2021-08-09 19:10:57 +0200 | <nij-> | I've finished the "un-shifted" layer. |
| 2021-08-09 19:11:27 +0200 | <nij-> | What's a better practice for the shifted apl layer, than defining another layer gnu-apl-shited? |
| 2021-08-09 19:11:31 +0200 | <nij-> | shifted.. sorry |
| 2021-08-09 19:15:29 +0200 | <nij-> | Oh no. My config actually doesn't work. For example, kmonad doesn't seem to be happy that I put "◊" in a layer! :( |
| 2021-08-09 19:18:03 +0200 | contrapunctus | (a75f5b1571@2a00:c70:1:178:170:40:189:1) () |
| 2021-08-09 19:20:27 +0200 | <Solid> | mh perhaps not |
| 2021-08-09 19:20:47 +0200 | <Solid> | the compose key sequences we support are in KMonad.Keyboard.ComposeSeq |
| 2021-08-09 19:20:55 +0200 | <Solid> | if there is one for that symbol and it's just missing feel free to add it |
| 2021-08-09 19:23:03 +0200 | contrapunctus | (a75f5b1571@2a00:c70:1:178:170:40:189:1) |
| 2021-08-09 19:36:11 +0200 | <nij-> | Should I make a PR? |
| 2021-08-09 19:37:49 +0200 | <nij-> | So to mimic "("o c" , '©' , "copyright")", what should I put in the first and the third slot for '◊'? |
| 2021-08-09 19:38:27 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | nij-: You can also just make an alias for a compose sequence |
| 2021-08-09 19:38:32 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | nij-: If "<>" is supported by the default compose behaviour, i'd add it |
| 2021-08-09 19:39:24 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | nij-: That's what i described early… |
| 2021-08-09 19:39:29 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | compose sucks |
| 2021-08-09 19:39:37 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | (but it's the only way to have unicode on linux) |
| 2021-08-09 19:40:17 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | nij-: ◊ doesn't seem to be supported by default |
| 2021-08-09 19:40:26 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | (supported by compose) |
| 2021-08-09 19:40:41 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | at least not with the compose file i have |
| 2021-08-09 19:40:52 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | (which could be pretty aged) |
| 2021-08-09 19:42:36 +0200 | <nij-> | Yeah.. I don't relaly understand. |
| 2021-08-09 19:42:48 +0200 | <nij-> | What's the easiest way for me to type ◊ now? |
| 2021-08-09 19:42:55 +0200 | <nij-> | I don't mind making a PR - |
| 2021-08-09 19:43:41 +0200 | <nij-> | And also.. "⋄" is supported while "◊" is not. |
| 2021-08-09 19:43:46 +0200 | <nij-> | This makes it trickier :( |
| 2021-08-09 19:43:56 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xorg/Keyboard_configuration#Configuring_compose_key |
| 2021-08-09 19:45:00 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | nij-: put sth like `<Multi_key> <u> <u> <2> <5> <c> <a> <space> : "◊"` int .XCompose |
| 2021-08-09 19:45:19 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | *into |
| 2021-08-09 19:46:05 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | then you can create an alias `@◊ #($MULTI_KEY u u 2 5 c a spc)` |
| 2021-08-09 19:46:17 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | ↑ multi-key is your compose key |
| 2021-08-09 19:47:14 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | (probably ralt) |
| 2021-08-09 19:48:58 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | hm |
| 2021-08-09 19:49:17 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | With a fancy (bloated) input method (like ibus) you can also use sth like `#(C-S-u 2 5 c a)` |
| 2021-08-09 19:49:23 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | * `#(C-S-u 2 5 c a spc)` |
| 2021-08-09 19:51:57 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | nij-: There's a section on the compose key in the tutorial |
| 2021-08-09 19:58:11 +0200 | <nij-> | Ah, for that I need the latest version :( |
| 2021-08-09 20:13:34 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | i don't think so |
| 2021-08-09 20:13:44 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | there's no special syntax |
| 2021-08-09 20:30:21 +0200 | nij- | (~jin@2001-48F8-9021-806-0-0-0-1AD1-dynamic.midco.net) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2021-08-09 21:33:14 +0200 | nij- | (~jin@2001-48F8-9021-806-0-0-0-1AD1-dynamic.midco.net) |
| 2021-08-09 21:33:32 +0200 | <nij-> | Tisoxin: Thanks! Finally learned how to use .XCompose.. |
| 2021-08-09 21:33:46 +0200 | <nij-> | Most of the key works now. However, some of them still don't. :( |
| 2021-08-09 21:35:03 +0200 | <nij-> | For example, in my .XCompose (https://bpa.st/JXXA), the first two don't work, while the rest works \@@/.. |
| 2021-08-09 21:46:11 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | nij-: the second works for me… |
| 2021-08-09 21:46:57 +0200 | <nij-> | That is very weird @@.. |
| 2021-08-09 21:47:16 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | hm, i think <`> denots not the keysymbol "`" |
| 2021-08-09 21:47:36 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | but rather the dead key or sth |
| 2021-08-09 21:48:23 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | replace the "`" with "grave", then it should work |
| 2021-08-09 21:48:48 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | (it seems "`" is not a keysymbol) |
| 2021-08-09 21:48:48 +0200 | <nij-> | How about 4.. @@? |
| 2021-08-09 21:49:07 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | works for me :> |
| 2021-08-09 21:49:24 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | did you restart your application to test it? |
| 2021-08-09 21:49:38 +0200 | <nij-> | Yep! Restarted many times. |
| 2021-08-09 21:49:46 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | hm |
| 2021-08-09 21:50:02 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | you didn't use your numpad, did you? |
| 2021-08-09 21:51:00 +0200 | <nij-> | Nope. I'm on a laptop without a numpad. "4" is what I pressed on the number row. |
| 2021-08-09 21:51:35 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | pls send your whole compose file |
| 2021-08-09 21:52:27 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | also execute `xev -event keyboard`; press 4 and show me the relevant output |
| 2021-08-09 21:52:40 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | *tap 4 |
| 2021-08-09 21:54:05 +0200 | <nij-> | output: https://bpa.st/6CIA XCompose: https://bpa.st/Y4YQ |
| 2021-08-09 21:55:35 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | hm |
| 2021-08-09 21:55:37 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | weird |
| 2021-08-09 21:56:36 +0200 | <nij-> | kmonad config: https://bpa.st/EGTA |
| 2021-08-09 21:56:42 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | very weird |
| 2021-08-09 21:56:59 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | nij-: it works for me |
| 2021-08-09 21:57:07 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | Can you use the compose sequence manually? |
| 2021-08-09 21:57:14 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | (without kmonad) |
| 2021-08-09 21:58:01 +0200 | <nij-> | Yes, did that too. |
| 2021-08-09 21:58:08 +0200 | <nij-> | So it's not kmonad's problem :S |
| 2021-08-09 22:00:16 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | ˘\◊.◊/˘ |
| 2021-08-09 22:01:42 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | Do you use an input method (like ibus)? |
| 2021-08-09 22:01:54 +0200 | <nij-> | Yes I do! |
| 2021-08-09 22:02:07 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | ibus? |
| 2021-08-09 22:02:09 +0200 | <nij-> | Good point. Lemme start a session without it. |
| 2021-08-09 22:02:15 +0200 | <nij-> | Yes, ibus. I use it for CJK characters. |
| 2021-08-09 22:02:41 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | that's one thing you could do, or you could start ibus in debug mode |
| 2021-08-09 22:02:58 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | i remember finding an error in my config with that |
| 2021-08-09 22:03:42 +0200 | <Tisoxin> | though i'm not sure, if the trick was to start ibus in some sort of debug mode, or if every application getting started just prints those errors (at least the ones based on gtk) |
| 2021-08-09 22:04:45 +0200 | <nij-> | I'll try :) Thanks for the idea! |
| 2021-08-09 23:49:18 +0200 | nij- | (~jin@2001-48F8-9021-806-0-0-0-1AD1-dynamic.midco.net) (Using Circe, the loveliest of all IRC clients) |