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2021-04-10 00:10:07 +0200 <maerwald> it's established that it's slow and the only solution for that requires a ghc patch that's not merged
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2021-04-10 00:14:12 +0200 <wroathe> monochrom: That THIH paper is great, but he's already managed to lose me on page 17 (when discussing entailment) :P I'll figure it out though.
2021-04-10 00:14:13 +0200 <yushyin> the primops thingy from lexi-lambda?
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2021-04-10 01:00:15 +0200 <laudiacay> nother dummy question
2021-04-10 01:00:37 +0200 <laudiacay> so i have a function that has type a -> b -> c -> d -> e
2021-04-10 01:00:47 +0200 <laudiacay> and ive got a maybe a, but i want a maybe e
2021-04-10 01:01:03 +0200 <laudiacay> how do i applicative only the first argument, neatly, without a case statement
2021-04-10 01:02:36 +0200 <arahael1> fmal
2021-04-10 01:02:38 +0200 <monochrom> Convert to g :: b->c->d->a->e. Then fmap (g b0 c0 d0) :: Maybe a -> Maybe e
2021-04-10 01:02:41 +0200 <arahael1> fmap, rather.
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2021-04-10 01:03:21 +0200 <hpc> alternatively, perhaps something like \ma b c d -> f <*> ma <*> pure b <*> pure c <*> pure d
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2021-04-10 01:07:57 +0200 <laudiacay> how do i make that conversion?
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2021-04-10 01:08:27 +0200 <monochrom> g b0 c0 d0 a0 = f a0 b0 c0 d0
2021-04-10 01:08:55 +0200 <laudiacay> how do i take a maybe (maybe a) and turn it into a maybe a
2021-04-10 01:09:20 +0200 <monochrom> Do you mind using >>= ?
2021-04-10 01:09:25 +0200 <laudiacay> nope
2021-04-10 01:09:44 +0200arahael1Arahael
2021-04-10 01:09:50 +0200 <monochrom> x >>= \y -> y
2021-04-10 01:09:51 +0200 <laudiacay> it turns out that function had a type of a -> b -> c -> d -> maybe e
2021-04-10 01:10:02 +0200 <laudiacay> and i want to have a maybe e anyway
2021-04-10 01:10:05 +0200 <laudiacay> so maybe not fmap
2021-04-10 01:10:10 +0200 <laudiacay> wait this is starting to look like a bind
2021-04-10 01:10:12 +0200 <laudiacay> hold on
2021-04-10 01:10:18 +0200 <monochrom> >>= is bind
2021-04-10 01:10:31 +0200 <laudiacay> oh the answer ended up being
2021-04-10 01:10:41 +0200__minoru__shirae(~shiraeesh@46.34.206.174) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2021-04-10 01:10:43 +0200 <laudiacay> (maybe_a) >>= function
2021-04-10 01:10:46 +0200 <laudiacay> and then i got a maybe e out
2021-04-10 01:11:25 +0200 <laudiacay> hon hon hon i feel fancy now
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2021-04-10 01:55:57 +0200 <monochrom> https://github.com/treblacy/hasdoc/blob/main/hasdoc :)
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2021-04-10 02:12:32 +0200 <HannaM> hasdoc... -_- ominous .. sounds like an amalgamation of "Hasso" (typical german name for dogs) and dog =)
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2021-04-10 02:14:38 +0200 <monochrom> But it's texdoc then s/tex/has/
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2021-04-10 02:15:04 +0200 <wrunt> HannaM: if you think that's ominous, check out https://hackage.haskell.org/package/haskdogs
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2021-04-10 02:16:03 +0200 <HannaM> people working with functional programming languages have either too much time on their hands or too much fun..
2021-04-10 02:16:07 +0200 <HannaM> or both
2021-04-10 02:16:50 +0200 <HannaM> which is a good thing ..
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2021-04-10 03:49:15 +0200 <wroathe> In the Typing Haskell in Haskell paper the author states that "the syntax of Haskell requires class arguments to be of the form v t1 ... tn, where v is a type variable, and t1,...,tn are types (and n ³ 0).". Isn't this the opposite of what Haskell actually requires? Or am I misunderstanding this.
2021-04-10 03:49:25 +0200 <wroathe> "(All instance types must be of the form (T a1 ... an) where a1 ... an are *distinct type variables*, and each type variable appears at most once in the instance head." is the typical error I see when compiling
2021-04-10 03:49:42 +0200 <wroathe> Here's the relevant section (end of the second paragraph) https://web.cecs.pdx.edu/~mpj/thih/TypingHaskellInHaskell.html#sec-ctxtred
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2021-04-10 05:26:55 +0200 <hololeap> what does n ³ 0 mean
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2021-04-10 05:34:51 +0200 <johnw> maerwald: what is the current recommended AE library?
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2021-04-10 05:36:11 +0200 <wroathe> hololeap: That was a copy/paste error. It's n >= 0
2021-04-10 05:36:19 +0200 <davean> cccccclknknvedgfneknrijbbrktjdchdbvcuegthilh
2021-04-10 05:36:30 +0200 <johnw> ooh, Yubikey user!
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2021-04-10 05:36:43 +0200 <johnw> at work such strings are a running joke
2021-04-10 05:37:04 +0200 <davean> Yah, its annoying, I don't use that part of it, but disabling it ...
2021-04-10 05:37:16 +0200 <johnw> disabling it is actually very easy; want the steps?
2021-04-10 05:37:32 +0200 <davean> I had issues disabling it making touch-to-sign not work
2021-04-10 05:37:35 +0200 <johnw> https://gist.github.com/0472119c67eaf701799b99b4db235d43
2021-04-10 05:37:38 +0200 <davean> the part I actually use
2021-04-10 05:37:39 +0200 <johnw> huh
2021-04-10 05:37:40 +0200epicte7us(~epictetus@ip72-194-215-136.sb.sd.cox.net) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2021-04-10 05:37:57 +0200 <johnw> I stopped using touch-to-sign, I make too many Git commits per day for that
2021-04-10 05:40:50 +0200 <davean> well I was going to ask if theres a particular reason Solo isn't exposed in 'base', just ghc-prim and if there was a reason for that decision
2021-04-10 05:44:26 +0200 <johnw> I was wondering what the current "state of the art" is for Haskell algebraic effect libraries
2021-04-10 05:44:35 +0200 <johnw> I really like using them, but the landscape seems to change very often
2021-04-10 05:50:26 +0200 <edwardk> johnw: clearly the answer is mtl
2021-04-10 05:50:27 +0200 <johnw> sounds like fused-effects for the time being?
2021-04-10 05:50:33 +0200 <johnw> hah, edwardk
2021-04-10 05:50:38 +0200 <johnw> what's up!
2021-04-10 05:50:56 +0200 <edwardk> a fair bit. we should catch up
2021-04-10 05:51:24 +0200 <johnw> we absolutely should; a visit is in order. according to my wife I should be safest to travel come mid-May
2021-04-10 05:51:29 +0200 <johnw> I plan on heading out your way
2021-04-10 05:51:51 +0200 <edwardk> amy and i are out in the middle of the desert at the moment. berkeley was feeling a little crowded
2021-04-10 05:52:29 +0200geowiesnot(~user@87-89-181-157.abo.bbox.fr)
2021-04-10 05:52:31 +0200 <edwardk> got far enough away from it all that we don't need to deal with neighbors til after we get fully vaccinated, etc.
2021-04-10 05:53:32 +0200 <edwardk> have been generally hanging out and live-coding over on https://discord.gg/rHg4AJaB when I get free time
2021-04-10 05:54:06 +0200 <edwardk> working up a bunch of code for linear logic, etc.
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2021-04-10 06:01:05 +0200 <johnw> linear logic in what sense?
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2021-04-10 06:17:34 +0200dsrt^(dsrt@ip98-184-89-2.mc.at.cox.net) (Max SendQ exceeded)
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2021-04-10 06:17:34 +0200 <edwardk> https://github.com/ekmett/linear-logic/blob/main/internal/Linear/Logic/Internal.hs#L54 full intuitionistic linear logic stitting on top linear haskell
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2021-04-10 06:24:44 +0200 <edwardk> johnw: been playing with https://github.com/ekmett/linear-logic/tree/plugin
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2021-04-10 06:25:18 +0200 <edwardk> johnw: focus so far is on using linear-haskell to bootstrap a stronger linear logic and then see if i can't make plugins, etc. that make it nicer to work with
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2021-04-10 06:26:27 +0200 <edwardk> johnw: https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/mgve3s/linear_logic_in_ghc_9/gsxbysh/ is a short writeup on the 'how'
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2021-04-10 06:30:55 +0200 <wroathe> edwardk: I tried tuning into your stream one time, and it was so far beyond me that I decided my time would be better served by turning back to whatever mediocre thing I was working on at time time, but I've wondered how someone with your understanding of type theory would go about architecting a "regular" application that a user might use
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2021-04-10 06:38:15 +0200 <edwardk> i tend to just write whatever piece is in front of me with whatever laws I can come up with that hopefully have a little more motivation than me making them up on the spot and stitch parts together until i have an application
2021-04-10 06:38:48 +0200 <MarcelineVQ> when eddie said he didn't like his teddy you knew he was a no good kid
2021-04-10 06:38:49 +0200 <edwardk> i work with typeclasses named after mathematics ideas explicitly because i lack enough imagination to make up good laws
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2021-04-10 07:19:24 +0200 <zzz> can someone sum up the difference between Arrow and (->) for me please?
2021-04-10 07:23:36 +0200 <zzz> or point me somewhere useful?
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2021-04-10 07:26:45 +0200 <davean> zzz: (->) is a specific thing, Arrow is a set of laws and properties, which (->) happens to satisy, but other things not like (->) persay also do.
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2021-04-10 07:34:16 +0200 <zzz> so Arrow is more general
2021-04-10 07:35:25 +0200 <zzz> i was wondering why (->) is a Profunctor
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2021-04-10 07:35:48 +0200 <davean> I mean -> is also Num and Monad, and I'm not seeing you ask what the difference between Num and -> are
2021-04-10 07:37:47 +0200 <davean> (a horrible, no good, very bad instance but whatever)
2021-04-10 07:37:53 +0200 <zzz> if (->) is a Monad and Arrow is a Monad, I would ask what's the difference between (->) and Arrow
2021-04-10 07:39:18 +0200 <davean> Whats the difference between Ord and Num?
2021-04-10 07:39:35 +0200 <davean> And the fact that Int is both of them makes them the same tihng I guess?
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2021-04-10 07:40:10 +0200 <zzz> i think we are misunderstanding eachother
2021-04-10 07:40:11 +0200 <davean> I'd try to explain better but I don't understand your thinking here enough to make a useful comment
2021-04-10 07:40:14 +0200 <gnumonic> I dunno that "why is X a Y" (where Y is a typeclass) is ever a question with an interesting answer. X is always a Y because you can define an instance that satisfies the laws...
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2021-04-10 07:41:38 +0200 <davean> gnumonic: right. It doesn't really imply any relation other than that the law hold - and it certainly doesn't imply that that being true is interesting
2021-04-10 07:42:11 +0200 <davean> They exist at different levels and one is an observation about another
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2021-04-10 07:47:02 +0200 <juri_> hi more all.
2021-04-10 07:47:06 +0200expipiplus1[m](~expipiplu@li1766-207.members.linode.com) (Quit: Bridge terminating on SIGTERM)
2021-04-10 07:48:32 +0200 <zzz> right, let e rephrase that. (->) is an Arrow and all Arrows are Profunctors. Is there a need for (->) to be firectly declared a Profunctor instance, if we already have it for Arrows?
2021-04-10 07:49:15 +0200 <zzz> s/e/me | s/fireclty/directly
2021-04-10 07:49:17 +0200 <davean> Profunctor isn't a superclass of arrow
2021-04-10 07:50:40 +0200 <zzz> hmm
2021-04-10 07:53:12 +0200 <zzz> i see
2021-04-10 07:53:13 +0200glaceon(~glaceon@117.222.70.34) (Quit: leaving)
2021-04-10 07:53:18 +0200 <zzz> thank you
2021-04-10 07:53:22 +0200expipiplus1[m](~expipiplu@li1766-207.members.linode.com)
2021-04-10 07:54:36 +0200 <davean> Direct questions like that are so much easier :)
2021-04-10 07:55:29 +0200 <juri_> davean: why does my code suck? :)
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2021-04-10 07:57:07 +0200 <davean> juri_: You haven't gotten the right people to provide patches yet.
2021-04-10 07:58:28 +0200 <juri_> wow. you do like direct questions. :)
2021-04-10 08:02:09 +0200merijn(~merijn@83-160-49-249.ip.xs4all.nl)
2021-04-10 08:07:11 +0200 <davean> juri_: also, lets be honest, code is just inherently sorta ugly by default.
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2021-04-10 08:27:30 +0200 <edwardk> zzz: even if it was a superclass of arrow, you'd have to define the instance. you can't just say instance Arrow a => Profunctor a where ... -- that instance means that _all_ profunctors are defined this way.
2021-04-10 08:28:51 +0200 <edwardk> zzz: that said we could have used "deriving via WrappedArrow (->) instance Profunctor (->)" -- to get it 'for free', except for the fact that profunctor contains a couple of extra efficiency oriented unsafe methods
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2021-04-10 12:39:51 +0200 <zzz> edwardk: i get it now. thank you
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2021-04-10 12:46:11 +0200 <ij> TIL: if you write "class C x where empty :: x y", then x's kind will be inferred and there is no explicit mention. I realized, because Graph from fgl doesn't say what "a" and "b" are https://hackage.haskell.org/package/fgl-5.7.0.3/docs/Data-Graph-Inductive-Graph.html#t:Graph
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2021-04-10 12:47:09 +0200 <ij> but it seems like they're just node/edge label parameters
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2021-04-10 14:58:06 +0200 <joel135> someone here wrote https://bradparker.com/posts/lets-learn-about-lenses
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2021-04-10 14:58:47 +0200 <joel135> I am not sure how to use the "[json| {" syntax. I get a syntax error.
2021-04-10 14:59:02 +0200 <joel135> I have imported import Data.Aeson.Lens.
2021-04-10 15:01:15 +0200 <hpc> add {-# LANGUAGE XQuasiQuotes #-} to the start of your file
2021-04-10 15:01:25 +0200 <hpc> that post neglects to mention that you need it
2021-04-10 15:01:31 +0200 <joel135> ok thanks
2021-04-10 15:01:32 +0200 <hpc> er, minus the X there
2021-04-10 15:04:34 +0200 <joel135> now it says "Not in scope: ‘json’" and "import Data.Aeson" gives me a type error
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2021-04-10 15:05:29 +0200 <joel135> (https://paste.tomsmeding.com/SeadJwVS)
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2021-04-10 15:09:28 +0200 <hpc> i am not sure where that json definition comes from, but the type error is because of https://hackage.haskell.org/package/aeson-1.5.6.0/docs/Data-Aeson.html#v:json not being a quasiquoter
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2021-04-10 15:10:46 +0200 <hpc> perhaps you can define someJson differently, using what you currently have in scope
2021-04-10 15:10:53 +0200 <hpc> it won't be as terse, but it'll compile
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2021-04-10 15:11:34 +0200 <joel135> I wish I could remember who in this channel wrote it.
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2021-04-10 15:26:53 +0200 <joel135> oh he has the same nick
2021-04-10 15:27:05 +0200 <joel135> bradparker: could you help me out?
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2021-04-10 19:18:07 +0200 <hololeap> can anyone recommend a good beginner's resource for learning type theory?
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2021-04-10 19:20:39 +0200 <opqdonut> I enjoyed TaPL, but I guess it might be a bit old-fashioned now
2021-04-10 19:20:48 +0200 <opqdonut> https://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/tapl/
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2021-04-10 19:30:01 +0200 <Uniaika> hololeap: Type Theory and Formal Proof: An Introduction
2021-04-10 19:30:14 +0200 <Uniaika> by Nedeperlt and Geuvers
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2021-04-10 19:39:55 +0200 <nut> Do people put a quickcheck section in their cabal file for testing?
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2021-04-10 19:40:23 +0200 <nut> How do peole usually integrate QuickCheck in their cabal project?
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2021-04-10 19:40:56 +0200 <Clint> i usually just have one testsuite section that does everything
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2021-04-10 19:42:06 +0200 <nut> do you mean a testsuite section in the cabal file?
2021-04-10 19:42:10 +0200 <nut> Clint:
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2021-04-10 19:42:52 +0200 <Clint> nut: yes
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2021-04-10 20:09:30 +0200 <epta> is there any tutorial how to migrate from network-2.* to -3.*? For instance, where is `connectTo` now? https://hackage.haskell.org/package/network-2.2.1.6/docs/Network.html#v%3AconnectTo
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2021-04-10 20:13:55 +0200 <maerwald> epta: `connect` does not work?
2021-04-10 20:16:13 +0200rajivr(uid269651@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-udwscuwohsluqepa) (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
2021-04-10 20:18:33 +0200 <epta> maerwald: didn't try, but the signature is slightly different, at least it doesn't return a Handle
2021-04-10 20:19:13 +0200 <maerwald> the only big change is that you need network-bsd now for some functionality, but connectTo was removed before that I believe
2021-04-10 20:19:18 +0200 <maerwald> changelog doesn't mention it
2021-04-10 20:19:29 +0200 <maerwald> you rarely see migration guides in haskell
2021-04-10 20:20:11 +0200malumore_(~malumore@151.62.113.35) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2021-04-10 20:20:48 +0200d34df00d(~d34df00d@104-14-27-213.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net)
2021-04-10 20:20:51 +0200 <d34df00d> Hi!
2021-04-10 20:21:00 +0200 <maerwald> your best bet is to look at reverse dependencies and check their git log
2021-04-10 20:21:26 +0200 <maerwald> https://packdeps.haskellers.com/reverse/network
2021-04-10 20:21:37 +0200ulfryk(~ulfryk@2a01:4b00:872d:e600:a55a:b8e3:54cc:d8d6)
2021-04-10 20:21:50 +0200roconnor(~roconnor@host-45-78-241-236.dyn.295.ca)
2021-04-10 20:21:54 +0200jamm_(~jamm@unaffiliated/jamm)
2021-04-10 20:22:07 +0200 <d34df00d> Let's say I want to write a function that has two effects: modifying a state carrying a BitVec and possibly failing to produce a value of type Word16.
2021-04-10 20:22:12 +0200 <maerwald> but digging that up might take more time than studying the new API
2021-04-10 20:22:24 +0200 <d34df00d> What's the best way to nicely express in types that the state modification happens only if the value has been produced?
2021-04-10 20:22:52 +0200 <d34df00d> `(MonadState BitVec m, Alternative m) => m Word16` (or MonadFail instead of Alternative, etc) doesn't say that.
2021-04-10 20:23:40 +0200 <d34df00d> I could probably write (MonadState BitVec m, Alternative f) => f (m Word16), but that looks kinda strange.
2021-04-10 20:24:10 +0200vicfred(vicfred@gateway/vpn/mullvad/vicfred)
2021-04-10 20:25:24 +0200 <Lycurgus> migration guides are part of the culture of ease
2021-04-10 20:25:41 +0200andreas303(~andreas@gateway/tor-sasl/andreas303) (Remote host closed the connection)
2021-04-10 20:25:54 +0200 <Lycurgus> and accomodation. hs is teH hard
2021-04-10 20:26:19 +0200andreas303(~andreas@gateway/tor-sasl/andreas303)
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2021-04-10 20:27:00 +0200Mrbuck(~Mrbuck@gateway/tor-sasl/mrbuck)
2021-04-10 20:27:05 +0200 <Lycurgus> suggested adaptation: consider the bar raised
2021-04-10 20:28:25 +0200idhugo(~idhugo@87-49-147-45-mobile.dk.customer.tdc.net)
2021-04-10 20:30:47 +0200 <nut> https://pastebin.com/jHrM629y
2021-04-10 20:31:03 +0200 <nut> Could anyone check why my test suite only runs one single test?
2021-04-10 20:31:16 +0200 <nut> This is the first time i use quickcheck and hspec
2021-04-10 20:31:57 +0200hololeap(~hololeap@gateway/tor-sasl/hololeap) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2021-04-10 20:32:07 +0200 <maerwald> Lycurgus: what? :D
2021-04-10 20:32:48 +0200 <Lycurgus> maerwald, say what one more time;nut, what did you expect?
2021-04-10 20:32:54 +0200 <DigitalKiwi> sometimes i wonder why some of you are even here
2021-04-10 20:33:31 +0200Digit(~user@fsf/member/digit) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2021-04-10 20:33:35 +0200 <nut> Lycurgus: I thought by default it generate 100 random strings to my functions
2021-04-10 20:33:54 +0200 <nut> Lycurgus: what I saw after running cabal test, it pass only one test
2021-04-10 20:34:11 +0200 <nut> 1 of 1 test suites (1 of 1 test cases) passed.
2021-04-10 20:34:21 +0200 <DigitalKiwi> wow pastebin.com has gotten far worse than i remember
2021-04-10 20:34:23 +0200 <maerwald> cabal test is annoying, because it hides output
2021-04-10 20:34:29 +0200 <maerwald> run the test binary directly
2021-04-10 20:34:48 +0200 <nut> how to run the test binary?
2021-04-10 20:34:51 +0200 <Lycurgus> disappointed quickcheck expectations is a common trope here
2021-04-10 20:35:25 +0200 <maerwald> nut: cabal run test-suite -- sometime works
2021-04-10 20:35:25 +0200 <Lycurgus> ahead of exception handling I think
2021-04-10 20:35:38 +0200Guest78317(~laudiacay@67.176.215.84)
2021-04-10 20:36:12 +0200 <sclv> i run the binary directly just by running the compiled executable in new-dist/...
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2021-04-10 20:37:17 +0200 <nut> maerwald: it works but still runs only 1 example
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2021-04-10 20:38:24 +0200 <nut> How to make hspec/quickcheck generate more random tests?
2021-04-10 20:39:24 +0200bitdex(~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex)
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2021-04-10 20:41:18 +0200 <maerwald> cabal run test-suite -- --help
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2021-04-10 20:44:16 +0200 <nut> cabal run test-quickcheck -- -a 10
2021-04-10 20:44:21 +0200 <nut> but still only one test
2021-04-10 20:44:25 +0200 <nut> maerwald:
2021-04-10 20:44:37 +0200hololeap(~hololeap@gateway/tor-sasl/hololeap)
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2021-04-10 20:44:55 +0200 <nut> sorry
2021-04-10 20:44:58 +0200 <maerwald> well, how many tests did you write
2021-04-10 20:45:00 +0200 <maerwald> :D
2021-04-10 20:45:01 +0200 <nut> maerwald: sorry it worked
2021-04-10 20:45:09 +0200 <nut> thanks a lot!
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2021-04-10 20:54:37 +0200 <hololeap> d34df00d: doesn't MonadState already say that? if `s` hasn't been produced, how can `s -> m (a, s)` be called?
2021-04-10 20:54:43 +0200darjeeling_(~darjeelin@122.245.120.156)
2021-04-10 20:55:31 +0200 <d34df00d> hololeap: the problem here is on the returned value (on the `a`, basically).
2021-04-10 20:55:55 +0200 <d34df00d> I want to differentiate between s -> (Maybe a, s) and Maybe (s -> (a, s))
2021-04-10 20:56:21 +0200 <d34df00d> I guess both are instances of `MonadState s m, Alternative m => m a`
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2021-04-10 20:57:18 +0200 <hololeap> MonadState s m => MaybeT m a -- ?
2021-04-10 20:57:47 +0200 <d34df00d> Hmm.
2021-04-10 20:57:51 +0200 <d34df00d> That might work, I guess.
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2021-04-10 20:58:12 +0200 <d34df00d> Yea, that looks reasonable, thanks!
2021-04-10 20:58:15 +0200 <myme> I'm wondering how, if possible, to define an option using optparse-applicative which is optional on two levels: It doesn't have to be present (so use `optional`), and if it's present, you don't have to provide it with a value (using e.g. defaults). Ex: `bin [--option [value]]`
2021-04-10 20:58:32 +0200 <hololeap> that expands to `s -> m (Maybe a, s)`
2021-04-10 20:58:35 +0200 <hololeap> np
2021-04-10 20:58:48 +0200nbloomf(~nbloomf@2600:1700:ad14:3020:3171:23f8:d9b8:4bd6)
2021-04-10 20:59:29 +0200 <d34df00d> On a somewhat related note, can I do better than myFoo = state $ \st -> runST $ flip runStateT st $ runMaybeT $ do ... ?
2021-04-10 20:59:43 +0200 <d34df00d> All those runStateT and runMaybeT just to allow for runST look a bit ugly, IMO.
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2021-04-10 21:07:41 +0200 <hololeap> % type MyMonad st s = MaybeT (StateT st (ST s))
2021-04-10 21:07:42 +0200 <yahb> hololeap: ; <interactive>:116:21: error:; Not in scope: type constructor or class `MaybeT'; Perhaps you meant `Maybe' (imported from Prelude)
2021-04-10 21:07:42 +0200connrs(~connrs@mail.connolley.uk)
2021-04-10 21:08:01 +0200 <hololeap> % import Control.Monad.Trans.Maybe
2021-04-10 21:08:01 +0200 <yahb> hololeap:
2021-04-10 21:08:05 +0200 <hololeap> % type MyMonad st s = MaybeT (StateT st (ST s))
2021-04-10 21:08:05 +0200 <yahb> hololeap:
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2021-04-10 21:09:32 +0200 <hololeap> % runMyMonad :: st -> (forall s. MyMonad st s a) -> (Maybe a, st) ; runMyMonad st x = runST $ flip runStateT st $ runMaybeT x
2021-04-10 21:09:32 +0200 <yahb> hololeap:
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2021-04-10 21:11:05 +0200 <hololeap> d34df00d: i think you can write functions in MyMonad normally and then use runMyMonad when you're ready to unpack all of it
2021-04-10 21:11:31 +0200 <hololeap> in other words, i don't think `state` is necessary
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2021-04-10 21:19:59 +0200 <maerwald> myme: you can have [--option=value | --option]
2021-04-10 21:20:04 +0200 <maerwald> via Alternative
2021-04-10 21:20:45 +0200 <maerwald> optional (option valueParter <|> flag Nothing (Just defaultValue))
2021-04-10 21:20:52 +0200 <maerwald> I just tried
2021-04-10 21:21:05 +0200 <maerwald> this is pseudo-code obviously
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2021-04-10 21:22:13 +0200 <maerwald> myme: but it confuses the parser apparently
2021-04-10 21:23:17 +0200 <myme> maerwald: That was what I was trying right now. I didn't manage to get past that either option requires a value, or flag doesn't want one.
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2021-04-10 21:24:23 +0200 <maerwald> it would probably be less of a problem if only --foo=value was allowed and `--foo value` not
2021-04-10 21:24:33 +0200 <maerwald> then the `=` disambiguates
2021-04-10 21:24:46 +0200 <myme> Yeah. To make it more concrete, I'm adding a "--color" option to an app.
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2021-04-10 21:25:05 +0200 <maerwald> consider a magic value, like --color=default
2021-04-10 21:25:19 +0200 <d34df00d> hololeap: yea, that's better, thankss!
2021-04-10 21:26:12 +0200 <maerwald> myme: or even more cocky: [--colors | --color=value]
2021-04-10 21:26:18 +0200 <myme> Sucks to type though ;) It's for a simple CLI app I'd typically append to a command line with `| bin [opts]`. So less typing, the better. I think I'll be going for two options then, or one option and one clag.
2021-04-10 21:26:23 +0200 <myme> Yeah, exactly.
2021-04-10 21:26:29 +0200 <myme> Thanks though maerwald.
2021-04-10 21:26:34 +0200frozenErebus(~frozenEre@37.231.244.249) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2021-04-10 21:26:49 +0200 <maerwald> chances are your users will never read --help anyway :D
2021-04-10 21:27:03 +0200 <myme> chances are *I'm* the only user :D
2021-04-10 21:27:15 +0200 <maerwald> then I'd go with funny names
2021-04-10 21:27:52 +0200 <maerwald> also: color vs colour
2021-04-10 21:27:56 +0200 <maerwald> easy hack
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2021-04-10 22:50:09 +0200 <d34df00d> Is there a library that provides unboxed multidimensional vectors?
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2021-04-10 22:52:04 +0200 <d34df00d> Suppose I want to work with a vector of n-tuples of 64 words. Right now, I have to either do V.Vector (V.Vector (VU.Vector Word)), where V = Data.Vector and VU = Data.Vector.Unboxed, giving me quite some extra indirections I don't need.
2021-04-10 22:52:39 +0200 <d34df00d> I also know about repa, but I have to interface with some Vector-supporting code.
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2021-04-10 23:01:34 +0200 <wz1000> d34df00d: vector-sized
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2021-04-10 23:24:02 +0200 <d34df00d> wz1000: hmm, not sure it enables the multidimensional unboxed vectors.s
2021-04-10 23:24:24 +0200 <d34df00d> Although size in types is nice, I'll have a use for it in another part of my stuff.
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2021-04-10 23:26:36 +0200 <wz1000> d34df00d: it does, once you have known sizes you can define Storable and Unbox instances
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2021-04-10 23:26:48 +0200 <wz1000> that is exactly what is done in vector-sized
2021-04-10 23:27:06 +0200 <d34df00d> Maybe I've missed it in the docs, let me take another look.
2021-04-10 23:27:37 +0200 <wz1000> d34df00d: https://hackage.haskell.org/package/vector-sized-1.4.0.0/docs/src/Data.Vector.Generic.Sized.html#l…
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2021-04-10 23:27:59 +0200 <d34df00d> Ah right, (Unbox a, KnownNat n) => Unbox (Vector Vector n a)
2021-04-10 23:28:02 +0200 <d34df00d> Missed that on the first reading.
2021-04-10 23:28:11 +0200 <d34df00d> Yeah, that does the trick for me, thanks!
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2021-04-10 23:29:51 +0200 <tomsmeding> maerwald: "also: color vs colour" -- clearly the best answer
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2021-04-10 23:50:15 +0200 <hololeap> this is one of those silly questions of preference, but which is better: *> or >>
2021-04-10 23:50:28 +0200 <hololeap> (when dealing with a Monad)
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2021-04-10 23:52:35 +0200 <hololeap> on one hand, (*>) reminds us that the operation doesn't use the "full power" of the monad, but (>>) looks cleaner visually
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2021-04-10 23:54:25 +0200 <hololeap> it seems to me that in an ideal world, Applicative would have (>>) and you would just use that
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2021-04-10 23:56:49 +0200 <hololeap> although (*>) reminds us of (<*>) and therefore sort of explains what it does visually
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