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2021-05-19 06:30:17 +0200 <abhixec> How to do people setup their layouts and workspaces? I am wondering on how to improve my workflow on XMonad. I seem to open all apps and manually move them around workspaces
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2021-05-19 08:17:26 +0200 <dminuoso> abhixec: Out of habit, I have designated workspaces for stuff. 1 runs emacs (sometimes along with terminals for work stuff), 2 runs my browser, 3 runs 4x terminals for work stuff, and 4 has chat stuff like weechat. This gets done manually every time I reboot my computer, so its not so often.
2021-05-19 08:17:28 +0200 <xacktm> abhixec: I have a mastered (i.e. side panel) layout for browser and its tabs manager window, and a simpleTabbedBottom for multiple full screen windows. For PDFs, I was/am still trialing multiCol... I mainly use the default Tall with Resizable layout though, haven't explored much.
2021-05-19 08:18:08 +0200 <dminuoso> Because I like uniformity, I use Tall for all of those (with the option to switch to Full)
2021-05-19 08:18:09 +0200 <xacktm> lol we read the message at practically the same time x)
2021-05-19 08:18:13 +0200 <dminuoso> heh
2021-05-19 08:18:30 +0200 <Solid> both at 08:17:28 for me, as if you planned it :P
2021-05-19 08:18:51 +0200 <dminuoso> xacktm is my alter ego, in secret.
2021-05-19 08:19:02 +0200 <xacktm> shh :p
2021-05-19 08:20:32 +0200 <Solid> abhixec: I use X.A.TopicSpace to really go overboard with the "have one workspace (group) per project" concept :> Layouts are mostly simple composite layouts of Tall/ThreeCol with some extras like magnification for stack windows if there are too many
2021-05-19 08:21:05 +0200 <dminuoso> Solid: Oh by the way, I found just the *real* ghc proposal for type applications.
2021-05-19 08:21:20 +0200 <dminuoso> https://github.com/int-index/ghc-proposals/blob/visible-forall/proposals/0000-visible-forall.rst
2021-05-19 08:27:33 +0200 <Solid> dminuoso: this would be the optimal solution yes
2021-05-19 08:27:58 +0200 <Solid> but in lieu of that I'd still rather write TypeApplications than proxies
2021-05-19 08:28:00 +0200 <Solid> call me weird
2021-05-19 08:42:39 +0200 <dminuoso> Solid: Visibility is just my main annoyance with that, and communicatability of type variable order as an API
2021-05-19 08:42:49 +0200 <dminuoso> i.e. haddock cant even document this properly
2021-05-19 08:43:27 +0200 <dminuoso> (by visibility I mean the aforementioned inability to apply a type variable to an invisible argument)
2021-05-19 09:07:31 +0200 <abhixec> thanks dminuoso xacktm Solid
2021-05-19 09:07:55 +0200 <abhixec> got to read up on TopicSpace!
2021-05-19 09:13:48 +0200 <Solid> its docs in 0.16 are pretty horrible, but we cleaned them up a great deal (imo) on master
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2021-05-19 12:29:07 +0200 <wighawag> Hi
2021-05-19 12:29:22 +0200 <wighawag> I just getting started with xmonad
2021-05-19 12:29:27 +0200 <wighawag> I got a question
2021-05-19 12:30:31 +0200 <wighawag> I have a command line tool that itself spawn xterm console. currently xmonad make these xterm console the main one. is there a way to ensure the parent shell remain in its postion as the main window ?
2021-05-19 12:32:08 +0200 <dminuoso> well you could write a manage hook for it
2021-05-19 12:32:23 +0200 <dminuoso> assuming you can identify the window through an x property
2021-05-19 12:34:21 +0200 <wighawag> Could the manage hook work on the spawned xterm window ? Like for every xterm window do not take main position
2021-05-19 12:34:48 +0200 <dminuoso> As long as you can identify it, yes.
2021-05-19 12:35:19 +0200 <dminuoso> manage hooks are essentially just callbacks inside xmonad when windows get created
2021-05-19 12:35:38 +0200 <dminuoso> type ManageHook = Query (Endo WindowSet)
2021-05-19 12:36:21 +0200 <dminuoso> This type reads a bit strange, but behind the newtypes this is just `Window -> X (WindowSet -> WindowSet)`
2021-05-19 12:36:32 +0200 <wighawag> yes I use them with `doFLoat`
2021-05-19 12:36:41 +0200 <dminuoso> Which says "given this new window, how do we manipulate the window set"
2021-05-19 12:36:41 +0200 <wighawag> what command would ensure the main window is not moved
2021-05-19 12:44:49 +0200 <wighawag> how can I log the window properties that Monad matches with the query. would like to debug
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2021-05-19 12:45:31 +0200 <Liskni_si> wighawag: https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/blob/master/scripts/window-properties.sh
2021-05-19 12:49:42 +0200 <wighawag> thanks
2021-05-19 12:50:02 +0200 <wighawag> title ?= do not work for some reason
2021-05-19 12:50:29 +0200 <wighawag> anyway using appName will work for what I am trying to do, but wonder why title do not match
2021-05-19 12:58:11 +0200 <wighawag> A bit lost with the API. how I could create a manageHook that ensure for certain window, they do not disturb the current main window
2021-05-19 12:58:48 +0200 <wighawag> like I have a terminal that execute a cli tool that itself spawn multiple terminal. I want the original terminal to remain the main window in focus
2021-05-19 12:59:10 +0200 <Liskni_si> you'll definitely need something like https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmonad-contrib-0.16/docs/XMonad-Hooks-InsertPosition.html
2021-05-19 13:00:22 +0200 <dminuoso> Its been ages since I used manageHook, but presumably the input WindowSet already contains the new window ontop of the current stackset with focus on it?
2021-05-19 13:01:31 +0200 <wighawag> thanks for the info
2021-05-19 13:01:47 +0200 <wighawag> ANy easy way to debug like log the window set to see what is going on ?
2021-05-19 13:02:12 +0200 <dminuoso> wighawag: inside the hook? you have X.
2021-05-19 13:02:25 +0200 <dminuoso> https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmonad-contrib-0.16/docs/XMonad-Hooks-DebugStack.html
2021-05-19 13:02:27 +0200 <dminuoso> Use this
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2021-05-19 13:26:44 +0200 <wighawag> thanks!
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2021-05-19 13:33:11 +0200 <wighawag> Ok, lot to understand to make doF function that would ensure the master position is not changed. I guess I could simply swap the top most with the seoncd top most and be done, but I am not sure how I ca do that,
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2021-05-19 13:52:43 +0200 <wighawag> I guess I could use W.swapDown
2021-05-19 13:56:25 +0200 <Liskni_si> wighawag: is X.H.InsertPosition not enough for that?
2021-05-19 13:56:55 +0200 <wighawag> I got that working: keepMaster = doF W.swapDown
2021-05-19 13:57:03 +0200 <wighawag> but I now need to also keep focus
2021-05-19 13:57:07 +0200 <wighawag> how do I combine 2 action
2021-05-19 13:57:24 +0200 <wighawag> W.swapDown and W.focusMaster
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2021-05-19 14:15:28 +0200 <wighawag> got it working with
2021-05-19 14:15:28 +0200 <wighawag> keepMaster = doF W.focusMaster <+> doF W.swapDown
2021-05-19 14:15:47 +0200 <wighawag> thanks for the help
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2021-05-19 14:22:27 +0200Liskni_sistill doesn't understand why X.H.InsertPosition isn't the answer
2021-05-19 14:23:52 +0200mohab(~mohab@156.223.213.178)
2021-05-19 14:25:48 +0200 <dminuoso> Are you folks considering moving away from freenode?
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2021-05-19 14:31:53 +0200 <wighawag> @Liskni_si did not really tried, how would that work ?
2021-05-19 14:31:53 +0200 <lambdabot> Unknown command, try @list
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2021-05-19 14:32:21 +0200 <wighawag> Liskni_si did not really tried, how would that work ?
2021-05-19 14:32:51 +0200 <wighawag> , appName =? "xterm" --> keepMaster
2021-05-19 14:33:04 +0200 <wighawag> keepMaster = doF W.focusMaster <+> doF W.swapDown
2021-05-19 14:33:08 +0200 <wighawag> this is what I have
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2021-05-19 14:58:59 +0200 <eyenx> anyone talking about the freenode chat drama here?
2021-05-19 14:59:04 +0200 <eyenx> http://kline.sh
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2021-05-19 15:02:11 +0200 <Liskni_si> dminuoso: I noticed the drama but I'd prefer a calmer response
2021-05-19 15:02:40 +0200 <Liskni_si> people tend to suggest moving to Matrix but the UX is like a million times worse
2021-05-19 15:02:52 +0200 <dminuoso> Liskni_si: well, libera.chat is the obvious alternative.
2021-05-19 15:03:02 +0200 <Liskni_si> dminuoso: that doesn't even work yet
2021-05-19 15:03:05 +0200 <dminuoso> it does.
2021-05-19 15:03:11 +0200 <Liskni_si> it didn't two hours ago
2021-05-19 15:03:14 +0200 <dminuoso> It does not :)
2021-05-19 15:03:15 +0200 <Liskni_si> it really is _too_ early
2021-05-19 15:03:16 +0200 <dminuoso> *now
2021-05-19 15:03:24 +0200 <dminuoso> Well, Im very confident libera.chat is there to stay
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2021-05-19 15:12:14 +0200 <Liskni_si> wighawag: something like appName =? "xterm" --> insertPosition Below Older, I guess
2021-05-19 15:12:33 +0200 <Liskni_si> dminuoso: oh well, better grab my nick early then :-/
2021-05-19 15:13:08 +0200 <dminuoso> Liskni_si: If I catch it first, how much will you pay me?
2021-05-19 15:13:14 +0200 <dminuoso> a double choc chip cookie?
2021-05-19 15:13:18 +0200 <dminuoso> Two of them?
2021-05-19 15:13:43 +0200 <dminuoso> Or maybe a lava cake. Yes, that sounds like a fair price
2021-05-19 15:15:33 +0200 <Solid> doesn't work for me yet
2021-05-19 15:16:05 +0200 <dminuoso> Solid: The servers are under heavy pressure, currently. :p
2021-05-19 15:16:14 +0200 <Solid> :)
2021-05-19 15:16:33 +0200 <Solid> so the first stress test was a failure? :>
2021-05-19 15:17:36 +0200 <Liskni_si> oh fuck it wouldn't let me register with a non-gmail email
2021-05-19 15:17:39 +0200 <Solid> oh there we go
2021-05-19 15:17:40 +0200 <Liskni_si> what a fucking load of crap
2021-05-19 15:17:43 +0200 <Solid> wat
2021-05-19 15:17:49 +0200 <Solid> is there a nickserv yet?
2021-05-19 15:19:03 +0200 <dminuoso> yes
2021-05-19 15:19:18 +0200 <dminuoso> 15:17:36 Liskni_si | oh fuck it wouldn't let me register with a non-gmail email
2021-05-19 15:19:21 +0200 <dminuoso> what error do you get?
2021-05-19 15:19:33 +0200 <Liskni_si> 15:16:12 -- NickServ: Sending email failed, sorry! Registration aborted.
2021-05-19 15:19:53 +0200 <dminuoso> Yeah, try again in a while
2021-05-19 15:20:01 +0200 <dminuoso> The mail server is completely overloaded
2021-05-19 15:20:40 +0200 <Solid> mh yeah nickserv doesn't want to answer me either
2021-05-19 15:20:42 +0200 <srk> but it does work, I've received mine instantly couple minutes ago
2021-05-19 15:20:48 +0200 <dminuoso> It took me a few attempts
2021-05-19 15:21:15 +0200 <geekosaur> remember that most of their infrastructure here is provided by the folks doingthe hostile takeover, so they;re trying to get othr folks to step forward and it'lltake a while to build up the infrastructure we're used to
2021-05-19 15:23:14 +0200 <Liskni_si> as if I didn't hate people enough this fine morning, this crap comes and disrupts my day :-/
2021-05-19 15:27:16 +0200 <Solid> :(
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2021-05-19 15:44:51 +0200 <Solid> Liskni_si: for what its worth, I just managed to register an account with a non-gmail email
2021-05-19 15:45:18 +0200 <Liskni_si> Solid: I haven't been able to even connect for the last half an hour :-/
2021-05-19 15:45:32 +0200 <Solid> yeah I just got through
2021-05-19 15:45:39 +0200 <Solid> well, I say registered, I still haven't received the email :D
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2021-05-19 15:53:21 +0200 <Solid> yup, registration worked
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2021-05-19 18:21:03 +0200 <vrs> matrix is really bad, it doesn't even deliver messages reliably
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2021-05-19 18:47:24 +0200 <Liskni_si> I'm glad to not be the only one having had terrible experience with Matrix
2021-05-19 18:47:37 +0200 <Liskni_si> on the other hand a _lot_ of people keep pushing for it
2021-05-19 18:47:53 +0200 <Liskni_si> makes me really genuinely sad that I don't understand this
2021-05-19 18:47:57 +0200 <geekosaur> yeh, I'm seeing that
2021-05-19 18:49:39 +0200 <Solid> #haskell seems to consider moving to it
2021-05-19 18:49:54 +0200 <geekosaur> that's because it's already halfway there
2021-05-19 19:03:33 +0200 <Liskni_si> Solid: yeah, but why
2021-05-19 19:03:38 +0200 <Liskni_si> that's the bit I don't understand
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2021-05-19 19:14:57 +0200 <Solid> Liskni_si: I haven't really used matrix much, so I don't know the specifics
2021-05-19 19:15:10 +0200 <Solid> but a lot of people think it's more "21st century" or something
2021-05-19 19:15:45 +0200 <geekosaur> "unreliable" also seems to be a 21st century thing; see the web >.>
2021-05-19 19:18:00 +0200 <Liskni_si> if by "21st century" people mean "shiny things that don't work" then yeah :-/
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2021-05-19 19:38:08 +0200 <ElKowar[m]> while it's not perfect, from my (limited) experience it does work pretty well - and having niceties such as proper responses, reactions, codeblocks etc is really nice, especially in a community like this where one does show code etc quite a lot
2021-05-19 19:40:11 +0200Solitary(~Solitary@ip-78-45-155-137.net.upcbroadband.cz) (Quit: All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.)
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2021-05-19 19:40:53 +0200Solitary(~Solitary@ip-78-45-155-137.net.upcbroadband.cz)
2021-05-19 19:50:53 +0200 <vrs> specifically, at one point a matrix-irc bridge ate several messages by a girl that had a crush on me - and became unstuck nine months later and relayed them all at once
2021-05-19 19:51:04 +0200 <vrs> I'm going to keep that grudge for a while
2021-05-19 19:51:50 +0200 <ElKowar[m]> lmao
2021-05-19 19:57:58 +0200 <styledash> so are we all going to libera?
2021-05-19 19:58:03 +0200 <styledash> or is the dream dead
2021-05-19 19:58:17 +0200 <geekosaur> we have a channel registration in progress
2021-05-19 19:58:32 +0200ChanServ+o geekosaur
2021-05-19 19:59:20 +0200 Want to help? http://bit.ly/2nYjqpQ | xmonad: the tiling window manager with formally proven extensions | http://xmonad.org | http://xmonad.org/faq | cheatsheet: https://wiki.haskell.org/File:Xmbindings.png | https://ircbrowse.tomsmeding.com/browse/xmonad | Move to Libera.chat in progress
2021-05-19 19:59:24 +0200 <styledash> nice
2021-05-19 20:02:10 +0200 <liskin> can we place bets on how long will both channels co-exist?
2021-05-19 20:05:42 +0200 <geekosaur> probably take a while for everyone to move. or everyone who actively cares (I always wonder how many folks simply forget they're in a channel)
2021-05-19 20:06:37 +0200geekosaur-o geekosaur
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2021-05-19 20:31:27 +0200 <vrs> why not oftc?
2021-05-19 20:35:14 +0200 <geekosaur> because nobody thought of it, what with the freenode opers moving en masse to libera.chat
2021-05-19 20:35:57 +0200 <geekosaur> and #haskell ops have made it clear that they'd like to keep their relationships with freenode^Wlibera opers
2021-05-19 20:39:43 +0200 <vrs> ah fair
2021-05-19 20:40:11 +0200 <vrs> I'm gonna miss doing /join #projectname and often finding a non-dead channel
2021-05-19 20:43:25 +0200 <Solid> well, the hope is that this'll just happen on libera now :)
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