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2021-04-28 00:26:47 +0200 <heatwave1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRRMCO391Eo
2021-04-28 00:27:13 +0200 <heatwave1> pretty cool channel, but sadly the hommie can never get a full Xmonad+Xmobar setup
2021-04-28 00:28:10 +0200 <heatwave1> I think ill make a video going over the most basic config with as much explanation I can give, but it'll be really cool to have more videos/guides by the communiity!
2021-04-28 00:32:13 +0200heatwave2(~heatwave@192.145.118.192)
2021-04-28 00:33:55 +0200 <Liskni_si> feels like "how to set up xmobar" is the new "monad tutorial"
2021-04-28 00:34:08 +0200 <Liskni_si> (and when I say monad that's not a typo)
2021-04-28 00:35:26 +0200heatwave1(~heatwave@66.115.157.40) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2021-04-28 00:36:46 +0200 <heatwave2> monad as in?
2021-04-28 00:37:28 +0200 <Liskni_si> as in the monoid in the category of endofunctors :-)
2021-04-28 00:38:13 +0200 <Liskni_si> if you still haven't got the joke, here's another hint: https://wiki.haskell.org/Monad_tutorials_timeline ;-)
2021-04-28 00:38:20 +0200 <heatwave2> ohh! That's a confusion lol
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2021-04-28 01:16:42 +0200 <mc47> I literally clicked a random timestamp in the video and he was complaining about not being able to build from the AUR
2021-04-28 01:23:22 +0200scardinal(~supreme@unaffiliated/scardinal)
2021-04-28 01:27:01 +0200 <heatwave> Yes, he did say that...I'm trying to see why his xmobar wouldnt work lol. I think he's not piping anything out?
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2021-04-28 02:08:50 +0200 <mc47> I didn't watch the whole thing, but if you spawn the pipe without writing to it, it won't work
2021-04-28 02:09:45 +0200 <mc47> I really hope people stop facing these problems once we release 0.17 and they actually stop doing the plumbing themselves
2021-04-28 02:10:49 +0200 <mc47> I'll probably open a PR on dt's gitlab so he changes his config to the new interface, a *lot* of people use his config
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2021-04-28 07:07:15 +0200 <Solid> heatwave: it's time for me to shill the new tutorial again isn't it :P
2021-04-28 07:08:40 +0200xubun2(~xubun2@unaffiliated/xubun2)
2021-04-28 07:08:42 +0200 <heatwave> haha the newer tutorial is a BLESS! I think he just did not get to that
2021-04-28 07:08:54 +0200 <Solid> he probably doesn't know that it exists
2021-04-28 07:08:59 +0200 <heatwave> It's not been merged in yet, has it been?
2021-04-28 07:09:03 +0200 <Solid> not yet no
2021-04-28 07:09:09 +0200 <heatwave> Yep, that's what im thinking.
2021-04-28 07:09:49 +0200 <heatwave> It helped me get my Xmobar setup all nice, im sure it would for others too
2021-04-28 07:09:55 +0200 <Solid> mc47[m]: I once tracked a problem loads and loads of people were having (not doing anything with the pipe ding ding ding) down to some youtube video that made exactly that error but didn't test the config in that state :/
2021-04-28 07:10:17 +0200 <Solid> there's a lot of old docs that people will still inexplicably use (I saw people use the 0.8 darcs template at one point!)
2021-04-28 07:10:31 +0200 <heatwave> Solid: got trapeed in the very same piping tutorial when I raised the question on Reddit
2021-04-28 07:10:41 +0200 <Solid> hah
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2021-04-28 07:17:21 +0200 <heatwave> Could we have a link to the WIP PR on the official guides?
2021-04-28 07:19:40 +0200 <heatwave> That's the first place most of us would go to
2021-04-28 07:20:14 +0200 <Solid> Which official guides are you referring to?
2021-04-28 07:20:54 +0200 <heatwave> https://xmonad.org/documentation.html
2021-04-28 07:22:30 +0200 <Solid> ah
2021-04-28 07:22:45 +0200 <Solid> yes it's planned to add the tutorial there once it's merged
2021-04-28 07:22:53 +0200 <Solid> but I'm wondering how many people visit the website anyways
2021-04-28 07:23:12 +0200 <heatwave> oh really? I would expect almost every new user? :p
2021-04-28 07:24:07 +0200 <Solid> I think people don't like to read nowadays :>
2021-04-28 07:24:30 +0200 <Solid> at least that's the feeling I get from answering the same two questions on reddit all the time
2021-04-28 07:27:20 +0200 <heatwave> okay I do see that. I feel a strong documentation would help us point more people to it, while we could add some community made videos/reddit posts
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2021-04-28 07:32:28 +0200 <Solid> that's a nice way to tell us to get off our asses and release 0.17 already :P
2021-04-28 07:33:36 +0200 <Solid> though I also think that people don't read other reddit posts at all
2021-04-28 07:34:08 +0200 <Solid> as evidenced by the same question being asked multiple times even though one is already solved on the same page
2021-04-28 07:34:26 +0200 <Solid> and no-one knowing of the existence of the tutorial until I shill it in _their_ thread
2021-04-28 07:34:31 +0200 <Solid> even though it's in a sticky
2021-04-28 07:35:02 +0200 <Solid> maybe I'm being too pessimistic
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2021-04-28 10:37:53 +0200 <Liskni_si> Seems to me that these problems are related to our "user acquisition channels".
2021-04-28 10:39:01 +0200 <Liskni_si> If most new users are bored kids who found out about xmonad from YouTube, no wonder they don't know how to find and use the documentation.
2021-04-28 10:40:24 +0200 <Liskni_si> Especially if said documentation is actually hard to find outside of reddit.
2021-04-28 10:41:10 +0200 <Liskni_si> Once everything is where it's meant to be, we can start saying RTFM a not feel bad about it. :-)
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2021-04-28 10:41:30 +0200 <Liskni_si> *and
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2021-04-28 10:41:51 +0200 <Solid> :)
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2021-04-28 10:58:06 +0200 <oogeek> Solid: Liskni_si: Is it possible to also include the link to tutorial in the man page. I know that when xmonad and xmonad-contrib are packaged by people from different distro, it would be nice to include it and put it at the top.
2021-04-28 11:00:20 +0200 <oogeek> Also I found out that the desktop file from Arch Linux can be useful for your tutorial's Display Manager part.
2021-04-28 11:00:29 +0200 <oogeek> I have put it in a comment.
2021-04-28 11:00:42 +0200 <oogeek> can be -> might be
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2021-04-28 18:17:20 +0200 <mc47> Did someone here successfully use FontAwesome inside the prompt?
2021-04-28 18:19:59 +0200 <Solid> that sounds quite difficult
2021-04-28 18:20:09 +0200 <mc47> I basically have font = "xft:Source Code Pro:size=11:regular:antialias=true,FontAwesome:pixelsize=13", which works in xmobar just fine
2021-04-28 18:20:18 +0200 <Solid> X.Prompt doesn't support font fallback
2021-04-28 18:20:27 +0200 <mc47> with the prompt, it just changes the pixelsize
2021-04-28 18:21:04 +0200 <mc47> X.Prompt looks like a monster that I don't want to deal with right now
2021-04-28 18:21:13 +0200 <Solid> yes
2021-04-28 18:21:21 +0200 <Solid> that is a very correct assessment :D
2021-04-28 18:21:44 +0200mc47sighs
2021-04-28 18:22:02 +0200 <Solid> reminds me that I need to coax one of you into reviewing #525 :>
2021-04-28 18:23:12 +0200 <mc47> I tried looking over it a couple of days ago, but I know very little about that part of the code
2021-04-28 18:23:34 +0200 <mc47> I'll gladly give it another look, but I'm not sure how important is my opinion :D
2021-04-28 18:25:27 +0200 <Solid> hey, you make up between 20 and 25% of the active maintainers :>
2021-04-28 18:25:43 +0200 <mc47> hahaha
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2021-04-28 18:40:09 +0200 <mc47> And after two hours of playing with different "dynamic projects", I can't find one that quite works
2021-04-28 18:40:56 +0200 <mc47> is there something like TopicSpace, but that also works with multiple screens?
2021-04-28 18:54:55 +0200 <mc47> WorkspaceGroups is cool but not quite there yet... Maybe a new TopicSpaceGroups? Does anyone have something similar?
2021-04-28 19:03:02 +0200 <Solid> mh what part of TopicSpace does not work with multiple screens?
2021-04-28 19:06:58 +0200 <mc47> Basically I want to launch a "topic" (or a group of topics) on two screens
2021-04-28 19:07:59 +0200 <mc47> so for example an xmonad "topic group" where it opens the editor on my main screen, and opens the docs and a terminal on my second screen
2021-04-28 19:09:09 +0200 <mc47> I might just hack something together where the topic action changes to the second monitor, opens the second topic, and the action of second topic goes back to the first screen
2021-04-28 19:16:06 +0200 <Solid> ah I see
2021-04-28 19:16:45 +0200 <Solid> mh that sounds non-trivial to get into TopicSpace in a backwards compatible way :/
2021-04-28 19:18:21 +0200 <mc47> Yeah, if anything it would be another module
2021-04-28 19:24:54 +0200 <Solid> Sounds kinda cool though, you would have at least one other user :P
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