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2021-01-28 00:00:02 +0100 <DrEuclidean> sry no leading dot there
2021-01-28 00:03:21 +0100drl(~l@2600:1700:8360:3870:89c0:4bb5:2c99:7cc4) (Remote host closed the connection)
2021-01-28 00:04:01 +0100 <Liskni_si> I don't think you're supposed to recompile it like that
2021-01-28 00:04:44 +0100 <Liskni_si> it should recompile the config itself, and when it does that, the output file has platform and arch in its name
2021-01-28 00:05:14 +0100 <DrEuclidean> i read the `hc --make xmonad.hs' is merely to catch errors
2021-01-28 00:05:26 +0100 <Liskni_si> there's also xmonad --recompile, which I never tried, but I'd guess if you run that, you might get an idea what's wrong with the automatic recompile
2021-01-28 00:06:39 +0100 <Liskni_si> and then there's also been some bugs in the code that looks for xmonad.hs, as it could either go in ~/.xmonad or ~/.config/xmonad and something was wrong with that, perhaps you're hitting this issue
2021-01-28 00:08:22 +0100 <DrEuclidean> hmm, so I should move it to one of these rather than `~/.xmonad/' ?
2021-01-28 00:08:41 +0100 <DrEuclidean> recompiling the way you said exits successfully, but says: xmonad-x86_64-freebsd: executeFile: does not exist
2021-01-28 00:09:12 +0100 <DrEuclidean> xmonad opens, but does not make the boarder 3 pixels, etc.
2021-01-28 00:10:29 +0100 <Liskni_si> well I'm not saying you should move it
2021-01-28 00:10:50 +0100 <Liskni_si> just... that it might be related, and that you might check if you perhaps have both of them as that might cause problems
2021-01-28 00:13:58 +0100 <DrEuclidean> i entered `ln -s ~/.xmonad ~/.config/xmonad' and it didn't fix it
2021-01-28 00:16:04 +0100 <DrEuclidean> no I didn't have both prior
2021-01-28 00:18:30 +0100 <Liskni_si> then that likely isn't that bug
2021-01-28 00:18:47 +0100 <Liskni_si> maybe look whether you have .local/share/xmonad or something
2021-01-28 00:18:58 +0100 <Liskni_si> but if you don't, then this isn't it, you can remove the symlink, and look elsewhere
2021-01-28 00:19:22 +0100 <DrEuclidean> what directory is `.local/share/xmonad' in?
2021-01-28 00:19:28 +0100 <Liskni_si> ~/.local/…
2021-01-28 00:19:51 +0100 <Liskni_si> I don't even know if that kind of thing is used in freebsd at all, actually
2021-01-28 00:20:18 +0100drl(~l@2600:1700:8360:3870:a9c9:c13e:5a72:1ff1)
2021-01-28 00:20:22 +0100 <DrEuclidean> I don't have it in home
2021-01-28 00:21:24 +0100 <Liskni_si> then forget I ever said anything about it.
2021-01-28 00:21:28 +0100 <DrEuclidean> i don't even have a ~/.local
2021-01-28 00:24:36 +0100 <DrEuclidean> i ran `ghc -v --make .xmonad.hs' and it has the line:
2021-01-28 00:25:19 +0100 <DrEuclidean> Loading package environment from /home/ldve/.ghc/x86_64-freebsd-8.10.2/environments/default
2021-01-28 00:25:54 +0100 <DrEuclidean> this exists
2021-01-28 00:27:40 +0100 <DrEuclidean> it also says `Skipping Main ( /home/ldve/.xmonad/xmonad.hs
2021-01-28 00:28:04 +0100 <DrEuclidean> it says that a bunch of times next to each other
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2021-01-28 00:33:09 +0100 <Liskni_si> I have to admit I got completely lost
2021-01-28 00:33:58 +0100 <DrEuclidean> don't worry abt it I don't think it's the issue
2021-01-28 00:34:08 +0100 <Liskni_si> if you could put together a coherent description of what you're exactly doing, what the exact outputs are, some "ps axf" or something that shows which exact xmonad binary is being run, etc. and put that to some pastebin or something, that might be best
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2021-01-28 00:34:45 +0100 <DrEuclidean> kk
2021-01-28 00:44:05 +0100 <DrEuclidean> https://www.mediafire.com/file/40xrps57cz9lmuz/xmonad_recompile/file
2021-01-28 00:44:56 +0100 <DrEuclidean> https://www.mediafire.com/file/er7386hr87r0nwx/ghc_make_xmonad/file
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2021-01-28 00:56:51 +0100 <DrEuclidean> okay I got it--I renamed ~/.xmonad/xmonad -> ~/.xmonad/xmonad-x86_64-freebsd
2021-01-28 00:57:44 +0100 <DrEuclidean> even being passed --recompile it works and doens't even recreate the xmonad executable, just keeps it with the new name
2021-01-28 00:57:46 +0100 <DrEuclidean> weird shit
2021-01-28 00:58:05 +0100 <DrEuclidean> should I like submit this to the devs?
2021-01-28 00:58:08 +0100 <Liskni_si> it seems you have ~/.xmonad/build
2021-01-28 00:58:24 +0100 <Liskni_si> which is supposed to compile it into ~/.xmonad/xmonad-x86_64-freebsd, but apparently it does not
2021-01-28 00:59:46 +0100 <DrEuclidean> build seems only to create the xmonad-config
2021-01-28 00:59:56 +0100 <DrEuclidean> this si the value of EXE_NAME
2021-01-28 01:10:13 +0100 <DrEuclidean> if you don't mind my asking, xmobar is there, but covered by the window
2021-01-28 01:10:36 +0100 <DrEuclidean> can you point me towards a place where I can find documentation for all the xmonad configuration options
2021-01-28 01:12:47 +0100 <DrEuclidean> shit--META-Q is not updating xmonad after changes in xmonad.hs
2021-01-28 01:22:07 +0100 <Liskni_si> for xmobar being covered you're looking for https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmonad-contrib-0.16/docs/XMonad-Hooks-ManageDocks.html
2021-01-28 01:22:28 +0100 <Liskni_si> documentation for configuration options would be somewhere around there as well
2021-01-28 01:22:37 +0100sagax(~sagax_nb@213.138.71.146) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2021-01-28 01:22:42 +0100 <Liskni_si> and then also https://wiki.haskell.org/Xmonad/Frequently_asked_questions and related pages
2021-01-28 01:22:57 +0100 <Liskni_si> and there's also https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/xmonad
2021-01-28 01:23:05 +0100 <Liskni_si> and I'm sure gentoo wiki will have a page about that as well
2021-01-28 01:23:12 +0100 <Liskni_si> and a million other places all over the internet
2021-01-28 01:24:01 +0100 <Liskni_si> (yeah I know it would be nice to have a single official documentation that's nice and clear and stuff, but someone would have to work on that, and there's a shortage of such someones)
2021-01-28 01:26:35 +0100 <DrEuclidean> thank you very much
2021-01-28 01:26:47 +0100 <DrEuclidean> is there some equivalent for man pages for haskel?
2021-01-28 01:26:51 +0100 <DrEuclidean> or is that their wiki
2021-01-28 01:27:20 +0100xaltsc(~xaltsc@unaffiliated/xaltsc) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2021-01-28 01:27:49 +0100 <Liskni_si> those docs on hackage is as close to manpages for haskell as you can get
2021-01-28 01:27:57 +0100 <Liskni_si> there's a search engine called hoogle as well
2021-01-28 01:30:22 +0100thc202(~thc202@unaffiliated/thc202) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2021-01-28 01:33:07 +0100 <DrEuclidean> what's the difference with having a main that uses do ..., and one that looks like main = xmonad =<< xmobar def { ... }
2021-01-28 01:40:45 +0100notis(~notis@185.51.134.230) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2021-01-28 01:55:47 +0100 <fizzie> Nothing, really. You can translate between do notation and the >> / >>= operators. And =<< is just a flipped >>=. Whichever you find more readable.
2021-01-28 01:56:37 +0100 <fizzie> `main = xmonad =<< xmobar def { ... }` should be the same as `main = do { cfg <- xmobar def { ... }; xmonad cfg }` for example.
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2021-01-28 09:42:21 +0100 <Solid> Liskni_si: I just looked and that is actually on my TODO list for xmobar docs ^^'
2021-01-28 09:42:41 +0100 <Solid> I should probably just open up a quick pr with just that, it's quite important after all
2021-01-28 09:42:46 +0100 <Solid> thanks!
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2021-01-28 10:56:18 +0100 <Liskni_si> Solid: #270 is probably DrEuclidean from yesterday
2021-01-28 10:56:37 +0100 <Solid> oh I didn't read the whole backlog
2021-01-28 10:56:39 +0100 <Liskni_si> Solid: I think they have ~/.xmonad/build which produces xmonad instead of xmonad-x86_64-freebsd
2021-01-28 10:56:50 +0100 <Liskni_si> which I said yesterday, but it went unnoticed
2021-01-28 10:56:52 +0100 <Solid> ah I see
2021-01-28 10:57:11 +0100 <Liskni_si> and then I ran out of patience and energy
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2021-01-28 13:27:22 +0100 <Liskni_si> note to self and maybe others: type StatusBarConfig = XConfig -> IO XConfig :-)
2021-01-28 13:27:50 +0100 <Liskni_si> (I need to go to lunch so feel free to guess what I mean if you're impatient, I will explain later otherwise)
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2021-01-28 13:37:58 +0100 <mc47> :D
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2021-01-28 14:16:52 +0100geekosaur(82650c7c@130.101.12.124)
2021-01-28 14:21:07 +0100 <geekosaur> the `build` script is passed the correct output name as `$1` and should use `-o "$1"` with `ghc`
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2021-01-28 15:01:00 +0100 <Liskni_si> mc47: I think I probably totally got lost in all the types and abstractions and forgot what the whole motivation of #443 was :-/
2021-01-28 15:01:08 +0100 <Liskni_si> my brain tends to do that, lose the big picture
2021-01-28 15:03:32 +0100 <mc47> Liskni_si I guess it started by me asking "it would be cool to use statusBarProp, but I don't want to bind anything to `sendMessage ToggleStruts`"
2021-01-28 15:04:17 +0100 <mc47> You suggested the record, and I played with it and thought "huh, we could actually support multiple status bars easily without taking care of the plumbing"
2021-01-28 15:05:07 +0100 <Liskni_si> hm, that makes sense
2021-01-28 15:05:18 +0100 <Liskni_si> but we ended up in not being able to not bind the keybinding, right?
2021-01-28 15:05:56 +0100 <Liskni_si> (and the same thing with the AvoidStruts layout modifier, which I also don't want to have added automatically)
2021-01-28 15:06:34 +0100geekosaurhas been de facto ignoring the whole thing since he can't use any of it
2021-01-28 15:06:51 +0100 <mc47> kinda yeah
2021-01-28 15:07:16 +0100 <geekosaur> (I log via dbus to an xmonad-log-applet running in mate-panel, nothing related is started by xmonad in any fashion)
2021-01-28 15:07:23 +0100 <mc47> I think the reason behind the current design in the PR is that I thought it's better to talk and argue when we have something concrete in our hands
2021-01-28 15:08:10 +0100 <mc47> instead of "maybe use a record that does this and this" to "hey, this is a record, what can we do about it and how can we improve it?" :-)
2021-01-28 15:08:45 +0100 <mc47> \me feels intimidated by dbus...
2021-01-28 15:09:07 +0100mc47feels intimidated by dbus...
2021-01-28 15:09:11 +0100 <mc47> that's more like it hahaha
2021-01-28 15:09:30 +0100 <Liskni_si> yeah it's definitely good that we have something concrete to talk about
2021-01-28 15:09:45 +0100 <Liskni_si> I just feel bad for coming late to the party and ruining everything :-)
2021-01-28 15:09:51 +0100 <mc47> Anyways, I'm actually more excited about the conversation and the exchange than having written code that works :)
2021-01-28 15:10:32 +0100 <mc47> you shouldn't, since there is nothing at stake here, let's take our time and think this through
2021-01-28 15:11:22 +0100 <Liskni_si> (the excuse being somewhat similar to geekosaur's, I kind of assumed that my config won't fit the usecase, and thus needed extra motivation to take a look)
2021-01-28 15:14:43 +0100 <Liskni_si> so anyway, I'd say that keeping the "dzen", "xmobar" and maybe "statusBar" backward compatible is about the only constraint worth having :-)
2021-01-28 15:14:59 +0100 <Liskni_si> anything else is up for disruption
2021-01-28 15:15:16 +0100 <mc47> That's also my thought
2021-01-28 15:15:24 +0100 <mc47> IMO, going from just two parameters to `XConfig l → XConfig l` is kinda a big leap, and I'm not sure how the UX would look like
2021-01-28 15:15:48 +0100 <Liskni_si> (well, PP and dynamicLogString and so on should stay, but I'd almost say this stuff should be in a different module almost)
2021-01-28 15:19:13 +0100 <mc47> Writing a different module would free us up from worrying about compatibility and such
2021-01-28 15:19:56 +0100 <mc47> we also need to decide how we should comrpomise between flexibility and ease of use
2021-01-28 15:20:52 +0100 <Liskni_si> I wasn't really suggesting that, just that there are two big concepts in DynamicLog: the PP abstraction about constructing the log line, and then the abstraction about running an external status bar and communicating with it
2021-01-28 15:21:40 +0100 <Liskni_si> and that when I said "anything else", I was bounded by the second concept, not extending to the first one as well
2021-01-28 15:23:12 +0100 <mc47> yeah that makes sense
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2021-01-28 15:55:26 +0100 <Solid> backwards compatibility is the root of all evil, I see :>
2021-01-28 16:15:25 +0100 <Liskni_si> yeah, one needs to always question everything :-)
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2021-01-28 16:32:00 +0100 <Solid> Liskni_si: the xmobar thing is fixed :)
2021-01-28 16:32:16 +0100 <Liskni_si> Solid: yeah, thanks!
2021-01-28 16:32:26 +0100 <Liskni_si> (I'm watching xmobar notifications so I know :-))
2021-01-28 16:32:48 +0100 <Solid> ah I see
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2021-01-28 18:36:28 +0100 <Solid> I didn't even know that xmonad-extras existed
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2021-01-28 18:38:34 +0100 <Solid> I love absolutely love "Third party extensions for xmonad with wacky dependencies" though :D
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